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[[WMG: Abbadon the Despoiler will return with cybernetic arms.]]
This will probably be done as [[AscendedMeme a reference to a certain insistence by the fans.]]
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Every significant Alpha Legionary has been voiced by [=McNeil=]--masquerading as a voice actor would be the kind of subterfuge they're known for. And with his propensity for talking to himself in some series (see BeastWars or the MegaMan Series/MegaMan cartoon), compared with the fact that every member of the Legion claims to be Alpharius...
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** It would probably be more accurate to say the brotherhood is based on the Mechinicus
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What better way to throw the chapter into disarray than to have its numbers roughly halved? As a bonus, this also made the chapter's recruiting worlds more crucial to protect, thus making the chapter more likely to fight any threat that descended upon it, unwittingly providing more blood for the blood god. As to why he tried to stop the Blood Ravens from directly engaging the Black Legion? Two possibilities: he didn't have enough faith in them to believe they were capable of surviving a direct skirmish, or he knew that the likes of Angelos would not simply follow the safest course of action (after all, that is how he came to the decision to smash the daemonstone in the first place).
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What better way to throw the chapter into disarray than to have its numbers roughly halved? As a bonus, this also made the chapter's recruiting worlds more crucial to protect, thus making the chapter more likely to fight any threat that descended upon it, unwittingly providing more blood for the blood god. As to why he tried to stop the Blood Ravens from directly engaging the Black Legion? Two possibilities: he didn't have enough faith in them to believe they were capable of surviving felt that a direct skirmish, skirmish would end the conflict too quickly, foiling his plans, or he knew that the likes of Angelos would not simply follow the safest course of action (after all, that is how he came to the decision to smash the daemonstone in the first place).
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[[WMG:ScottMcNeil is Alpharius.]]
Every significant Alpha Legionary has been voiced by [=McNeil=]--masquerading as a voice actor would be the kind of subterfuge they're known for. And with his propensity for talking to himself in some series (see BeastWars or the MegaMan cartoon), compared with the fact that every member of the Legion claims to be Alpharius...
[[WMG:The Blood Ravens are based on the Brotherhood of Steel from {{Fallout}}.]]
They both have the same obsession with capturing and guarding knowledge.
[[WMG:ScottMcNeil is Alpharius.]]
Every significant Alpha Legionary has been voiced by [=McNeil=]--masquerading as a voice actor would be the kind of subterfuge they're known for. And with his propensity for talking to himself in some series (see BeastWars or the MegaMan cartoon), compared with the fact that every member of the Legion claims to be Alpharius...
[[WMG:The Blood Ravens are based on the Brotherhood of Steel from {{Fallout}}.]]
They both have the same obsession with capturing and guarding knowledge.
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What better way to throw the chapter into disarray than to have its numbers roughly halved? As a bonus, this also made the chapter's recruiting worlds more crucial to protect, thus making the chapter more likely to fight any threat that descended upon it, unwittingly providing more blood for the blood god. As to why he tried to stop the Blood Ravens from directly engaging the Black Legion? Two possibilities: he didn't have enough faith in them to believe they were capable of surviving a direct skirmish, or he knew that the likes of Angelos would not simply follow the safest course of action (after all, that is how he came to the decision to smash the daemonstone in the first place).
What better way to throw the chapter into disarray than to have its numbers roughly halved? As a bonus, this also made the chapter's recruiting worlds more crucial to protect, thus making the chapter more likely to fight any threat that descended upon it, unwittingly providing more blood for the blood god. As to why he tried to stop the Blood Ravens from directly engaging the Black Legion? Two possibilities: he didn't have enough faith in them to believe they were capable of surviving a direct skirmish, or he knew that the likes of Angelos would not simply follow the safest course of action (after all, that is how he came to the decision to smash the daemonstone in the first place).
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*** The most popular theory is Vance "Motherfucking" Stubbs was the victor of the Kaurava campaign, but I personally think it was the Tau they had done the least absolutely stupid things of the armies.
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[[WMG:Dawn of War 3 will give Chaos more Tzeentchian units, including a Lord of Change as their Super Heavy unit.]]
Dawn 1's Chaos units had a Bloodthirster as its "big" unit, while Dawn 2 had a Great Unclean One (which seemed to be Ulkair again in Retribution, at least in the Chaos campaign). Slaanesh, apart from a Keeper of Secrets being blatant Adults Only bait, doesn't seem to lend itself well to a war setting.
[[WMG:Indrick Boreale will return in Dawn of War 3.]]
Possibly as a Chaos Champion of Malice?
Dawn 1's Chaos units had a Bloodthirster as its "big" unit, while Dawn 2 had a Great Unclean One (which seemed to be Ulkair again in Retribution, at least in the Chaos campaign). Slaanesh, apart from a Keeper of Secrets being blatant Adults Only bait, doesn't seem to lend itself well to a war setting.
[[WMG:Indrick Boreale will return in Dawn of War 3.]]
Possibly as a Chaos Champion of Malice?
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[[WMG:The Blood Ravens are loyalist Thousand Suns.]]
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** ... And your source for the Bolter Bitches' victory? Personally, I think Firaveous 'METAL BAWXES' Carron won. The pre release information for Chaos Rising a year ago said eh had 'dealt terrible wounds to the Blood Ravens in Kaurava'.
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*** Maybe they popped up on the Judgement of Carrion in the intervening years, or another splinter hive fleet attacked the subsector?
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** That works for me. What with Games Workshop's refusal to move the story forward, it is nice to see that ''someone'' actually is pushing things along. Also, the first game most likely does take place in 997.M41, since the Tyranids are still somewhat unknown to the Imperium apart from Cyrus and the Death Watch. But how do you explain the Hive Fleet Behemoth Nids that show up in ''Retribution''?
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[[WMG:Unless explicitly stated otherwise, each of the games with MultipleEndings have a mixture of the endings as their "true" ending.]]
''Winter Assault'' has Taldeer use the Soul Stone to blast the first wave of Necrons, but after she realises it's insufficient she allows Sturnn to awaken the Titan to use its weapons against them, afterwards leaving the planet, Sturnn clearing it of Orks and Chaos and reclaiming the Titan. Meanwhile, Gorgutz kills Crull and claims his skull, before leaving himself.
''Dark Crusade'' is all the Blood Ravens ending however, as conversations in ''Dawn of War II'', ''Chaos Rising'' and ''Retribution'' have them defeat the Necrons, Guard, Chaos and Eldar, and some wargear descriptions have them defeating the Tau (that still leaves Orks, but it's probably a given that Gorgutz managed to escape again).
''Chaos Rising'' has Angelos declare the Commander to be Captain of the fourth company, but in order to fool Kyras has him and Thaddeus on a campaign somewhere far away from the sub-sector, calling him back to the main force of the Chapter after he himself is declared Chapter Master.
''Retribution'' has Diomedes defeat Kyras and Angelos declared Chapter Master, Adrastia clearing the sub-sector of heresy and halting the Exterminatus, Bluddflag commandeering the Judgement of Carrion as his new Kroozer, Eliphas escaping to plague the Blood Ravens for years to come, Ronahn reclaiming Taldeer's soulstone, and the Hive Lord rejoining the Hive Mind to share the knowledge it has obtained of the sub-sector.
I'd mention ''Soulstorm'', but that doesn't exist.
''Winter Assault'' has Taldeer use the Soul Stone to blast the first wave of Necrons, but after she realises it's insufficient she allows Sturnn to awaken the Titan to use its weapons against them, afterwards leaving the planet, Sturnn clearing it of Orks and Chaos and reclaiming the Titan. Meanwhile, Gorgutz kills Crull and claims his skull, before leaving himself.
''Dark Crusade'' is all the Blood Ravens ending however, as conversations in ''Dawn of War II'', ''Chaos Rising'' and ''Retribution'' have them defeat the Necrons, Guard, Chaos and Eldar, and some wargear descriptions have them defeating the Tau (that still leaves Orks, but it's probably a given that Gorgutz managed to escape again).
''Chaos Rising'' has Angelos declare the Commander to be Captain of the fourth company, but in order to fool Kyras has him and Thaddeus on a campaign somewhere far away from the sub-sector, calling him back to the main force of the Chapter after he himself is declared Chapter Master.
''Retribution'' has Diomedes defeat Kyras and Angelos declared Chapter Master, Adrastia clearing the sub-sector of heresy and halting the Exterminatus, Bluddflag commandeering the Judgement of Carrion as his new Kroozer, Eliphas escaping to plague the Blood Ravens for years to come, Ronahn reclaiming Taldeer's soulstone, and the Hive Lord rejoining the Hive Mind to share the knowledge it has obtained of the sub-sector.
I'd mention ''Soulstorm'', but that doesn't exist.
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* I doubt it, as Neroth is hardly subtle, seeing as he keeps wanting to burn everything that gets in his way.
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* This is now officially what happened. +1 Internets to you, sir. In the same vein then, the Chaos Marines in Soulstorm were actually another legion (most likely a World Eaters splinter faction given Carron's melee fixation, Khornate altars and sheer frothing-at-the-mouth senility) who were given Alpha Legion uniforms as part of a misdirection effort. Why? If we knew that, they wouldn't be the Alpha Legion...
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Seriously. The Eldar from Alaitoc and the Pirate Orks. It's possible that the Tau and the Necrons will join the Valhalla of war.
Seriously. The Eldar from Alaitoc and the Pirate Orks. It's possible that the Tau and the Necrons will join the Valhalla of war.
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[[WMG:The traitor in ''Chaos Rising'' was Jonah.]]
''Retribution'' confirms that neither Martellus nor Cyrus were the traitor, which leaves four options. Firstly, Jonah being the traitor makes far more sense than the others, being the only one that was handled well (Tarkus is too loyal, Thaddeus is too much of a bitch to have the initiative, and Avitus stated he betrayed them because he was ''sick of all the killing''; epic fail, Relic). Secondly, it ''doesn't'' make sense, the possession coming out of nowhere, which is entirely in character for Chaos, as well as turning Kyras into even more of a monster, condemning a loyal subordinate to such a fate.
* Possibly jossed from the latest trailer for ''Retribution'', as Jonah's voice is heard.
** It is. [[spoiler:It's Avitus]]
*** By process of elimination, this is because [[spoiler:Cyrus, Martellus, and Tarkus are playable, Jonah appears as an NPC, and neither the Force Commander nor Thaddeus were on Kronus, as Tarkus claimed that the traitor had been to]].
Relatedly, the ending that leads to ''Retribution'' is the one in which Angelos sends the Force Commander to traipse around the Eye of Terror for a century, hence his absense. Tarkus, Avitus and Thaddeus followed, being loyal to him, while Cyrus stayed in Aurelia, never giving him much allegiance.
* [[FinaglesLaw Or maybe]], "coming out of nowhere" is a result of the system actually used to determine who the traitor is-can't give hints based on a changing paradigm after all. And besides, each one you gave ''does'' make sense: Tarkus had an EvilWeapon that made him think he was being loyal through the defection, Avitus was {{Hannibal Lecture}}d into submission, and Thaddeus...well, that's your personal opinion speaking.
[[spoiler: Tarkus is jossed. He's the ancient.]]
[[WMG:The Force Commander is the traitor.]]
[[IncrediblyLamePun His fault for committing hairesy.]]
* Possibly {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler:You eventually get a Thunder Hammer named after him (though calling him "the Nameless" is more because of the HelloInsertNameHere trope) and the flavor text describes the wielder in a rather heroic light. If the force commander were the traitor, the flavor text probably would've mentioned how it was wielded by some filthy traitor, and you probably wouldn't be able to wield it at all, given the Blood Ravens' distaste for using stuff once carried by heretics.]]
''Retribution'' confirms that neither Martellus nor Cyrus were the traitor, which leaves four options. Firstly, Jonah being the traitor makes far more sense than the others, being the only one that was handled well (Tarkus is too loyal, Thaddeus is too much of a bitch to have the initiative, and Avitus stated he betrayed them because he was ''sick of all the killing''; epic fail, Relic). Secondly, it ''doesn't'' make sense, the possession coming out of nowhere, which is entirely in character for Chaos, as well as turning Kyras into even more of a monster, condemning a loyal subordinate to such a fate.
* Possibly jossed from the latest trailer for ''Retribution'', as Jonah's voice is heard.
** It is. [[spoiler:It's Avitus]]
*** By process of elimination, this is because [[spoiler:Cyrus, Martellus, and Tarkus are playable, Jonah appears as an NPC, and neither the Force Commander nor Thaddeus were on Kronus, as Tarkus claimed that the traitor had been to]].
Relatedly, the ending that leads to ''Retribution'' is the one in which Angelos sends the Force Commander to traipse around the Eye of Terror for a century, hence his absense. Tarkus, Avitus and Thaddeus followed, being loyal to him, while Cyrus stayed in Aurelia, never giving him much allegiance.
* [[FinaglesLaw Or maybe]], "coming out of nowhere" is a result of the system actually used to determine who the traitor is-can't give hints based on a changing paradigm after all. And besides, each one you gave ''does'' make sense: Tarkus had an EvilWeapon that made him think he was being loyal through the defection, Avitus was {{Hannibal Lecture}}d into submission, and Thaddeus...well, that's your personal opinion speaking.
[[spoiler: Tarkus is jossed. He's the ancient.]]
[[WMG:The Force Commander is the traitor.]]
[[IncrediblyLamePun His fault for committing hairesy.]]
* Possibly {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler:You eventually get a Thunder Hammer named after him (though calling him "the Nameless" is more because of the HelloInsertNameHere trope) and the flavor text describes the wielder in a rather heroic light. If the force commander were the traitor, the flavor text probably would've mentioned how it was wielded by some filthy traitor, and you probably wouldn't be able to wield it at all, given the Blood Ravens' distaste for using stuff once carried by heretics.]]
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I don't even think I need to type this. It's just so obvious. If Eliphas can return from the dead, then Sindri can too.
I don't even think I need to type this. It's just so obvious. If Eliphas can return from the dead, then Sindri can too.
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[[WMG: The Ork Warboss in Soulstorm wasn't Gorgutz]]
It was another, lesser warboss who assumed Gorgutz's identity to impress the locals, who'd heard all about Gorgutz's feats on Lorn V and Kronus. This is why his voice was so different, and why he was behaving so out of character ie. totally passive (actually letting them ''show him around''? And ''explaining what the plan is''? I don't think so. Not the Gorgutz we know). The real Gorgutz is still drifting around space on a Rok somewhere, having never made it to the Kaurava system.
It was another, lesser warboss who assumed Gorgutz's identity to impress the locals, who'd heard all about Gorgutz's feats on Lorn V and Kronus. This is why his voice was so different, and why he was behaving so out of character ie. totally passive (actually letting them ''show him around''? And ''explaining what the plan is''? I don't think so. Not the Gorgutz we know). The real Gorgutz is still drifting around space on a Rok somewhere, having never made it to the Kaurava system.
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*** By process of elimination, this is because [[spoiler:Cyrus, Martellus, and Tarkus are playable, Jonah appears as an NPC, and neither the Force Commander nor Thaddeus were on Kronus, as Tarkus claimed that the traitor had been to]].
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* Possibly {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler:You eventually get a Thunder Hammer named after him (though calling him "the Nameless" is more because of the HelloInsertNameHere trope) and the flavor text describes the wielder in a rather heroic light. If the force commander were the traitor, the flavor text probably would've mentioned how it was wielded by some filthy traitor, and you probably wouldn't be able to wield it at all, given the Blood Ravens' distaste for using stuff once carried by heretics.]]
[[WMG:By ''Retribution'', the ''Dawn of War'' canon is no longer in the 41st millennium.]]
* Kinda' nitpicky, but fairly provable. The Tyranids shown throughout the installments (barring those on the Judgment of Carrion, [[DidNotDoTheResearch which to be fair should be populated by nothing but Genestealers]]) have the color scheme of Hive Fleet Leviathan. These guys show up in the galaxy at around 997.M41 (40,997 AD in our notation). Giving the writers the benefit of the doubt, let's say the Tyranid attack on Subsector Aurelia happened in 997.M41. ''Chaos Rising'' is one year later, putting it at 998.M41. And ''Retribution'' is a full ''decade'' after this, so at the most conservative estimates, the year is now 008.M42 (or 41,008 AD), i.e. the ''42nd'' millennium.
[[WMG:The Blood Ravens were never traitors at all. There's just something wrong with their geneseed.]]
* The reason they guard this so secretively, to the point of destroying and even in some cases ''forgetting'' their own history, is because their geneseed gives them a predisposition to psychic powers, hence their large numbers of Librarians, and the only known chapter to unite the offices of Chapter Master and Chief Librarian. This also makes them much more susceptible to chaotic taint than any other chapter, so much that an Inquisitor would look at them and see Chaos Marines waiting to happen. Not wanting to be exterminated, they scrapped and ferociously guarded their own records. Lo and behold, a number of Blood Ravens fell to the temptations of Chaos in ''Chaos Rising'' and ''Retribution''.
* Taldeer figured it out in her HamToHamCombat with Thule in ''Dark Crusade'', hence the epic burn Thule got, and why Taldeer was merely "captured" in their ending. She had figured out their psychic predisposition, probably even predicting the fall of some of the Blood Ravens to Chaos. Taldeer basically told Thule that she knew his chapter's dirty little secret, and Thule didn't want that secret going very far, and so he had her captured. The "secrets of Kronus" that Thule was so concerned about was in fact ''the'' big secret.
* Eliphas could probably sense it, too. The reason he kept calling the Blood Ravens "brothers" wasn't because the Blood Ravens ''used to be'' traitors, but that they ''would'' be traitors in the future. And at least one of them would be: [[spoiler:Avitus]].
* Indrick Boreale probably figured this much at Kaurava. While a pretty [[GeneralFailure sucky tactician]] for not being able to actually ''win'' the war at Kaurava, he realized that he couldn't let the Sisters of Battle figure out about this little quirk in their geneseed. And so, when things started looking bad, he deliberately led an entire ''five companies'' to their deaths, rather than letting the canonically-victorious Sisters of Battle figure out their little quirk.
[[WMG:By ''Retribution'', the ''Dawn of War'' canon is no longer in the 41st millennium.]]
* Kinda' nitpicky, but fairly provable. The Tyranids shown throughout the installments (barring those on the Judgment of Carrion, [[DidNotDoTheResearch which to be fair should be populated by nothing but Genestealers]]) have the color scheme of Hive Fleet Leviathan. These guys show up in the galaxy at around 997.M41 (40,997 AD in our notation). Giving the writers the benefit of the doubt, let's say the Tyranid attack on Subsector Aurelia happened in 997.M41. ''Chaos Rising'' is one year later, putting it at 998.M41. And ''Retribution'' is a full ''decade'' after this, so at the most conservative estimates, the year is now 008.M42 (or 41,008 AD), i.e. the ''42nd'' millennium.
[[WMG:The Blood Ravens were never traitors at all. There's just something wrong with their geneseed.]]
* The reason they guard this so secretively, to the point of destroying and even in some cases ''forgetting'' their own history, is because their geneseed gives them a predisposition to psychic powers, hence their large numbers of Librarians, and the only known chapter to unite the offices of Chapter Master and Chief Librarian. This also makes them much more susceptible to chaotic taint than any other chapter, so much that an Inquisitor would look at them and see Chaos Marines waiting to happen. Not wanting to be exterminated, they scrapped and ferociously guarded their own records. Lo and behold, a number of Blood Ravens fell to the temptations of Chaos in ''Chaos Rising'' and ''Retribution''.
* Taldeer figured it out in her HamToHamCombat with Thule in ''Dark Crusade'', hence the epic burn Thule got, and why Taldeer was merely "captured" in their ending. She had figured out their psychic predisposition, probably even predicting the fall of some of the Blood Ravens to Chaos. Taldeer basically told Thule that she knew his chapter's dirty little secret, and Thule didn't want that secret going very far, and so he had her captured. The "secrets of Kronus" that Thule was so concerned about was in fact ''the'' big secret.
* Eliphas could probably sense it, too. The reason he kept calling the Blood Ravens "brothers" wasn't because the Blood Ravens ''used to be'' traitors, but that they ''would'' be traitors in the future. And at least one of them would be: [[spoiler:Avitus]].
* Indrick Boreale probably figured this much at Kaurava. While a pretty [[GeneralFailure sucky tactician]] for not being able to actually ''win'' the war at Kaurava, he realized that he couldn't let the Sisters of Battle figure out about this little quirk in their geneseed. And so, when things started looking bad, he deliberately led an entire ''five companies'' to their deaths, rather than letting the canonically-victorious Sisters of Battle figure out their little quirk.
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[[WMG: Tau Harbinger drones are based on Necron tech]]
Based on a "Tau are/are descended from Necron'tyr" theory I've seen. The drones are constructed from seemingly nothing, requiring only a small amount of energy to launch and disappear from the battle field on dying. BUT! Being based on Necron tech, possibly the same living metal, which teleports the Necrons away if it takes too much damage, the drone's remains are actually teleported back into the Harbinger for repairs, and then launched again. This also explains why there are only a limited amount of drones at any time: because there is onlya small amount of living metal available.
Further arguments for the the Tau~=Necron theory include the fact that Bodyguards can be summoned to specific points (in this case, the Ethereal) like Warriors and Flayed Ones, and the fact that the Dark Crusade Necron stronghold shows that their buildings explode with a blue-white SphereOfDestruction, which is seen in Tau orbital strikes.
Based on a "Tau are/are descended from Necron'tyr" theory I've seen. The drones are constructed from seemingly nothing, requiring only a small amount of energy to launch and disappear from the battle field on dying. BUT! Being based on Necron tech, possibly the same living metal, which teleports the Necrons away if it takes too much damage, the drone's remains are actually teleported back into the Harbinger for repairs, and then launched again. This also explains why there are only a limited amount of drones at any time: because there is onlya small amount of living metal available.
Further arguments for the the Tau~=Necron theory include the fact that Bodyguards can be summoned to specific points (in this case, the Ethereal) like Warriors and Flayed Ones, and the fact that the Dark Crusade Necron stronghold shows that their buildings explode with a blue-white SphereOfDestruction, which is seen in Tau orbital strikes.
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[[IncrediblyLamePun His fault for committing hairesy.]]
[[IncrediblyLamePun His fault for committing hairesy.]]
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* [[FinaglesLaw Or maybe]], "coming out of nowhere" is a result of the system actually used to determine who the traitor is-can't give hints based on a changing paradigm after all. And besides, each one you gave ''does'' make sense: Tarkus had an EvilWeapon that made him think he was being loyal through the defection, Avitus was {{Hannibal Lecture}}d into submission, and Thaddeus...well, that's your personal opinion speaking.
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[[WMG:Sindri was the only Alpha Legion member on Tartarus.]]
This is a big inconsistency, as a Legion with few soldiers and whom take great care to remain undetected apparently possess a large combat force and exhibit far from subtle behaviour. The is because Bale and his hoard were Chaos Marines from another Legion (possibly the Night Lords, considering Bale's concern for avoiding open confrontation would be consistent with their strategies) that Sindri merely hired/coerced into working for him, painting them with his Legion's colours and iconography for intimidation and misdirection purposes. Sindri, [[MagnificentBastard being Sindri]], knew that those under his command would suffer total losses and instead of sacrificing his own brothers he endeavoured to use expendable patsies.
[[WMG:Sindri's goal was to prepare the Blood Ravens for the Black Legion's machinations.]]
This is another inconsistency, as a member of a Legion whose loyalty to Chaos is indistinct was adamant in releasing a powerful Daemon. This is because the Daemon was not the ultimate goal - he knew that Angelos would defeat him and banish the Daemon, if belatedly - but Angelos himself. Not only did his victory swell his acclaim within the Chapter, inspiring many of its other heroes such as Thule, but the events on Tartarus, so soon after Cyrene, hardened him to an almost incorruptible level against Chaos. Indeed it was Angelos and the people he inspired that not only prevented Aurelia from being eaten, but were able to resist the corruption from without and within and stop both Eliphas and Ulkair, and with ''Retribution'' it seems as if his inspiration will lead to the final purge of Chaos from the Chapter that began with Kyras a thousand years ago. Just as planned.
As for Sindri, becoming a Daemon Prince was an unavoidable side effect of releasing that much Warp energy at once, either that or be destroyed entirely, and he hasn't appeared again because he was subsequently stuck in the Warp and can't help his brothers directly, though he is probably taking great joy in disrupting the Legions that take refuge in Warp Rifts.
This is a big inconsistency, as a Legion with few soldiers and whom take great care to remain undetected apparently possess a large combat force and exhibit far from subtle behaviour. The is because Bale and his hoard were Chaos Marines from another Legion (possibly the Night Lords, considering Bale's concern for avoiding open confrontation would be consistent with their strategies) that Sindri merely hired/coerced into working for him, painting them with his Legion's colours and iconography for intimidation and misdirection purposes. Sindri, [[MagnificentBastard being Sindri]], knew that those under his command would suffer total losses and instead of sacrificing his own brothers he endeavoured to use expendable patsies.
[[WMG:Sindri's goal was to prepare the Blood Ravens for the Black Legion's machinations.]]
This is another inconsistency, as a member of a Legion whose loyalty to Chaos is indistinct was adamant in releasing a powerful Daemon. This is because the Daemon was not the ultimate goal - he knew that Angelos would defeat him and banish the Daemon, if belatedly - but Angelos himself. Not only did his victory swell his acclaim within the Chapter, inspiring many of its other heroes such as Thule, but the events on Tartarus, so soon after Cyrene, hardened him to an almost incorruptible level against Chaos. Indeed it was Angelos and the people he inspired that not only prevented Aurelia from being eaten, but were able to resist the corruption from without and within and stop both Eliphas and Ulkair, and with ''Retribution'' it seems as if his inspiration will lead to the final purge of Chaos from the Chapter that began with Kyras a thousand years ago. Just as planned.
As for Sindri, becoming a Daemon Prince was an unavoidable side effect of releasing that much Warp energy at once, either that or be destroyed entirely, and he hasn't appeared again because he was subsequently stuck in the Warp and can't help his brothers directly, though he is probably taking great joy in disrupting the Legions that take refuge in Warp Rifts.
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[[WMG: Working off of former theory once magnus finds the Blood Ravens he will betray Tzeentch]]
This is because Magnus hates Tzeentch because he was his Xanatosses sucker and he lost his legion who he viewed as sons because of the Rubric which was all a plan of Tzeentch. He will one day come to find Gabriel Angelos and defect from Chaos and use his tremendous psychic power to temporarily revive the Emperor being the first person to ever escape Tzeentch's plan.
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[[WMG: Working off of former theory once magnus finds the Blood Ravens he will betray Tzeentch]]
This is because Magnus hates Tzeentch because he was his Xanatosses sucker and he lost his legion who he viewed as sons because of the Rubric which was all a plan of Tzeentch. He will one day come to find Gabriel Angelos and defect from Chaos and use his tremendous psychic power to temporarily revive the Emperor being the first person to ever escape Tzeentch's plan.
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[[WMG:The traitor in ''Chaos Rising'' was Jonah.]]
''Retribution'' confirms that neither Martellus nor Cyrus were the traitor, which leaves four options. Firstly, Jonah being the traitor makes far more sense than the others, being the only one that was handled well (Tarkus is too loyal, Thaddeus is too much of a bitch to have the initiative, and Avitus stated he betrayed them because he was ''sick of all the killing''; epic fail, Relic). Secondly, it ''doesn't'' make sense, the possession coming out of nowhere, which is entirely in character for Chaos, as well as turning Kyras into even more of a monster, condemning a loyal subordinate to such a fate.
Relatedly, the ending that leads to ''Retribution'' is the one in which Angelos sends the Force Commander to traipse around the Eye of Terror for a century, hence his absense. Tarkus, Avitus and Thaddeus followed, being loyal to him, while Cyrus stayed in Aurelia, never giving him much allegiance.
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** They went back to red armour, just as the betrayed Sons of Horus went back to the name "Luna Wolves." A symbolic recanting. (Which does not settle the question of whether they could escape afterward.)
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* Or they simply don't know the truth about their origins. TheOtherWiki says that the chapter was devastated in a campaign against Chaos where both the Chapter Master and the Master of Sanctity were killed in a trap, so it's possible that the truth died with them.
** Why was the truth reserved to them? Does any other chapter keep its primarch secret from its own brothers?
*** Well, the Dark Angels keep a lot of things secret about a lot of things - only the Grand Master and whoever he's grooming as his successor know the whole story of the post-Heresy rebellion. Another possibility is that, like the SoulDrinkers, they were excommunicated at one point after making a mistake, but ''unlike'' the Drinkers they ambushed the real Blood Ravens, wiped them out, stole their armour and gene-seed, and tried to submerge themselves into deep cover under their new name. It makes sense that they'd want to keep this
* In ''DawnOfWar: Dark Crusade'', when the Space Marines assault the Chaos Stronghold, Eliphas (the Chaos commander) suggest that the Blood Ravens are a loyalist faction of the Word Bearers.
** He suggests the same when he attacks their stronghold.
** These two theories aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Another possibility is that the Ravens started out as the loyalists from ''all'' the chapters that defected during the Horus Heresy being consolidated into a single one.
** There is one founding of Space Marine chapters where geneseed from traitor primarchs were used. It didn't work well, and the founding was struck from records. However, it's possible the Blood Ravens are a result of that founding.
** Go and have a look at Index Astartes: Thousand Sons. Specifically, the pre-heresy TS colour scheme. It's red.
** Specifically, after Eliphas beats the Ravens, it says that he garnered Abbadon's respect. Why would Abbadon respect him, if not for defeating a first founding legion?
*** Or maybe loyalist Black Legion/Sons Of Horus/Luna Wolves? The existance of such would piss Abbadon off.
** The Blood Ravens are Fallen Angels!
** Nah, loyalist Thousand Sons, except that, at the time of HorusHeresy, they were told they could continue if 1) they kept their origin secret and 2) they let their geneseed be modified somewhat by the introduction of some elements from another Legion's geneseed. They therefore kept it secret even from most brothers (so it would never slip out) and chose the Raven Guard as the most compatible, thus explaining why they are not obviously Thousand Sons.
** A tidbit: The Thousand Sons had, and have, many powerful Psykers/Sorcerers. In some sources, (such as the Lexicanum) the Blood Ravens are explicitly said to have more powerful and more Librarians than most other chapters.
* Latest news fresh from the press; the Horus Heresy Novel 'A Thousand Sons' has a scene where a women psyker forsees the Thousand Son's future and explicitly sees a Raven of Blood. Not quite confirmation but a step closer...then again, YMMV.
[[WMG: Working off of former theory once magnus finds the Blood Ravens he will betray Tzeentch]]
This is because Magnus hates Tzeentch because he was his Xanatosses sucker and he lost his legion who he viewed as sons because of the Rubric which was all a plan of Tzeentch. He will one day come to find Gabriel Angelos and defect from Chaos and use his tremendous psychic power to temporarily revive the Emperor being the first person to ever escape Tzeentch's plan.
* Just as planned
[[WMG:The Blood Ravens are former Chaos Space Marines that defected ''back'' to the Imperium]]
Which legion they're from is irrelevant. After retreating into the Eye of Terror, the Blood Ravens encountered the Black Library. There, they made some sort of discovery that caused them to abandon the Chaos gods. They managed to reinsert themselves into the Imperium and have since fought loyally for the Emperor. Their origin is hidden because if the Inquisition found out that the Blood Ravens had actually served Chaos, they would destroy the Chapter. Their obsession with knowledge is related to this secret, while their high incidence of psychic powers comes from a generation spent in the Eye of Terror.
* Add to this the fact that the pre-Heresy Thousand Sons wore red armour... That'd work with the "Still-loyal even though the rest of the Legion turned" theory, but a bit harder toe scape, and goes right with the psychic powers and secretive nature.
** They went back to red armour, just as the betrayed Sons of Horus went back to the name "Luna Wolves." A symbolic recanting. (Which does not settle the question of whether they could escape afterward.)
