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This seems to be implied in-universe, where it's stated the epidemic took place in 2008, with the last baby being born in 2009. While [[FalseCause correlation does not necessarily equal causation]] this seems a bit too much of a coincidence to not be related. This would also match with the WildMassGuess above that the government had identified the source but is {{withholding the cure}} for use solely on their own people. Presumably Kee is immune, if this theory holds.

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This seems to be implied in-universe, where it's stated the epidemic took place in 2008, with the last baby being born in 2009. While [[FalseCause correlation does not necessarily equal causation]] this seems a bit too much of a coincidence to not be related. This would also match with the WildMassGuess above that the government had identified the source but is {{withholding the cure}} for use solely on their own people. Presumably Kee is immune, if this theory holds.

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[[WMG:''Children of Men'' takes place in the ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' universe.]]

* Between the Black Mesa incident and Half Life 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no public mention of the Seven Hour War.

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[[WMG:''Children of Men'' takes place in the ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' universe.]]

* Between the Black Mesa incident and Half Life 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no public mention of the Seven Hour War.



[[WMG:The sterility plague is wearing off]]
She was just one of the first.
** Pretty much confirmed by the sound of children laughing and playing at the very end of the film. Whether or not this means that all women are spontaneously fertile as suddenly as they lost their fertility, or they found a cure of some kind by studying what made Kee different from other women (antibodies? genetic mutation? exposure to chemicals? whatever it is, reproducible) and applying it to other women isn't answered. But the film's symbolism (up to her name, Kee, or rather, Key) suggests she's central to curing the plague.

[[WMG: ''Children of Men'' is a sequel to the movie ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes''.]]
The virus from ''Rise'' mutates so it is not so virulent and deadly, it merely removed reproductive ability. While the human race slowly exits (or at least far fewer are reproducing for now), the apes experience a great birth rate.
* So, the "II UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar" mentioned in the film was between humans and apes?
** Possibly, but more likely the apes were just biding their time as the humans killed each other off and died off.

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[[WMG:The sterility plague is wearing off]]
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first women to regain fertility.]]
Pretty much confirmed by the sound of children laughing and playing at the very end of the film. Whether or not this means that all women are spontaneously fertile as suddenly as they lost their fertility, or they found a cure of some kind by studying what made Kee different from other women (antibodies? genetic mutation? exposure to chemicals? whatever it is, reproducible) and applying it to other women isn't answered. But the film's symbolism (up to her name, Kee, or rather, Key) suggests she's central to curing the plague.

[[WMG: ''Children of Men'' is a sequel to the movie ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes''.]]
The virus from ''Rise'' mutates so it is not so virulent and deadly, it merely removed reproductive ability. While the human race slowly exits (or at least far fewer are reproducing for now), the apes experience a great birth rate.
* So, the "II UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar" mentioned in the film was between humans and apes?
** Possibly, but more likely the apes were just biding their time as the humans killed each other off and died off.
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The violence we see on screen isnt about fertility, but the refugee crises, and how poorly its managed.

We never hear from an actual authority figure about the governments’ attempts to solve the fertility crises. If an infertility crises of this magnitude happened, ethics and funding would cease to be road blocks. The chances of solving the issue goes higher, but so does the types of atrocities committed.

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The violence we see on screen isnt about fertility, but the refugee crises, crisis, and how poorly its managed.

We never hear from an actual authority figure about the governments’ attempts to solve the fertility crises. crisis. If an infertility crises crisis of this magnitude happened, ethics and funding would cease to be road blocks. The chances of solving the issue goes higher, but so does the types of atrocities committed.



As sort of a metaphore for the rest of the movie: we see the military fighting with rebels. Despite being in the presence of a baby, the military itself, never thinks to provide and armed escort team to get the mother someplace safe. Mainly, because they dont have orders to. Why? Because once again, the fighting isnt because of the infertility crises, its about the civil unrest and terrorist organizations.

Since the government doesn’t appear to have an official stance on the fertility issue, and the probability they at least got test tube babies created. It becomes a “we can neither confirm nor deny” type of situation.

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As sort of a metaphore metaphor for the rest of the movie: we see the military fighting with rebels. Despite being in the presence of a baby, the military itself, never thinks to provide and an armed escort team to get the mother someplace safe. Mainly, because they dont have orders to. Why? Because once again, the fighting isnt because of the infertility crises, its crisis, it's about the civil unrest and terrorist organizations.

Since the government doesn’t appear to have an official stance on the fertility issue, and the probability they at least got test tube babies created. It created, it becomes a “we can neither confirm nor deny” type of situation.
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The violence we see on screen isnt about fertility, but the refugee crises, and how poorly its managed.

We never hear from an actual authority figure about the governments’ attempts to solve the fertility crises. If an infertility crises of this magnitude happened, ethics and funding would cease to be road blocks. The chances of solving the issue goes higher, but so does the types of atrocities committed.

The main characters are all 3rd party groups and not “in the know” of official science operations, and carrying out their actions mostly for political reasons.

As sort of a metaphore for the rest of the movie: we see the military fighting with rebels. Despite being in the presence of a baby, the military itself, never thinks to provide and armed escort team to get the mother someplace safe. Mainly, because they dont have orders to. Why? Because once again, the fighting isnt because of the infertility crises, its about the civil unrest and terrorist organizations.

Since the government doesn’t appear to have an official stance on the fertility issue, and the probability they at least got test tube babies created. It becomes a “we can neither confirm nor deny” type of situation.
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During the movie, we never hear from a true authority figure on the topic. The media doesn’t really discuss it at all. We assume there’s no progress, but mainly because nobody clearly says so.

One of the nagging questions about the plot: Why on earth was it better to hook up with indy scientists, than a government-sponsored health facility with THAT military protecting it?

The brass tacks of the infertility delimma: If you drag it out for long enough, funding would become infinite, and ethics would be overshadowed by the need for results. This practically guarantees test tube babies.

Our perspective within the movie is what amounts to independent civilian efforts who are by no means the most capable, nor most well-informed groups. As viewers, we’re practically introduced to the movie through a random act of terrorism.

You can’t advertise test tube babies when you’re afraid of a terrorist organization seeking out and destroying / capturing the facilities.

You can’t advertise the children exist, when the “youngest person in the world” gets randomly knfied to death, followed by a lynch mob carrying out street justice.
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[[WMG: Multiple solutions to the fertility crises are in effect by the start of the movie, but politics grew so toxic, they can’t be advertised.]]

During the movie, we never hear from a true authority figure on the topic. The media doesn’t really discuss it at all. We assume there’s no progress, but mainly because nobody clearly says so.

One of the nagging questions about the plot: Why on earth was it better to hook up with indy scientists, than a government-sponsored health facility with THAT military protecting it?

The brass tacks of the infertility delimma: If you drag it out for long enough, funding would become infinite, and ethics would be overshadowed by the need for results. This practically guarantees test tube babies.

Our perspective within the movie is what amounts to independent civilian efforts who are by no means the most capable, nor most well-informed groups. As viewers, we’re practically introduced to the movie through a random act of terrorism.

You can’t advertise test tube babies when you’re afraid of a terrorist organization seeking out and destroying / capturing the facilities.

You can’t advertise the children exist, when the “youngest person in the world” gets randomly knfied to death, followed by a lynch mob carrying out street justice.
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This seems to be implied in-universe, where it's stated the epidemic took place in 2008, with the last baby being born in 2009. While [[PostHodErgoPropterHoc correlation does not necessarily equal causation]] this seems a bit too much of a coincidence to not be related. This would also match with the WildMassGuess above that the government had identified the source but is {{withholding the cure}} for use solely on their own people. Presumably Kee is immune, if this theory holds.

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This seems to be implied in-universe, where it's stated the epidemic took place in 2008, with the last baby being born in 2009. While [[PostHodErgoPropterHoc [[FalseCause correlation does not necessarily equal causation]] this seems a bit too much of a coincidence to not be related. This would also match with the WildMassGuess above that the government had identified the source but is {{withholding the cure}} for use solely on their own people. Presumably Kee is immune, if this theory holds.

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* So, the "II UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar" mentioned in was between humans and apes?
** Possibly, but more likely the apes were just biding their time as the humans killed each other off and died off.

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* So, the "II UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar" mentioned in the film was between humans and apes?
** Possibly, but more likely the apes were just biding their time as the humans killed each other off and died off.off.

[[WMG: The sterility plague is a side effect of the flu epidemic.]]
This seems to be implied in-universe, where it's stated the epidemic took place in 2008, with the last baby being born in 2009. While [[PostHodErgoPropterHoc correlation does not necessarily equal causation]] this seems a bit too much of a coincidence to not be related. This would also match with the WildMassGuess above that the government had identified the source but is {{withholding the cure}} for use solely on their own people. Presumably Kee is immune, if this theory holds.
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** Pretty much confirmed by the sound of children laughing and playing at the very end of the film. Whether or not this means that all women are spontaneously fertile as suddenly as they lost their fertility, or they found a cure of some kind by studying what made Kee different from other women (antibodies? genetic mutation? exposure to chemicals? whatever it is, reproducible) and applying it to other women isn't answered. But the film's symbolism (up to her name, Kee, or rather, Key) suggests she's central to curing the plague.
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Between 1 and 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no mention of the Seven Hour War.

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* Between 1 the Black Mesa incident and Half Life 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no public mention of the Seven Hour War.

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** Theo passes by the Argentinian embassy just before he is kidnapped by the Fishes, it has flowers laid in front of it, so someone in Argentina is sending out ambassadors to other countries, or at least it's still a symbol of Argentina to people in London.
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* So, the "II UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar" mentioned in was between humans and apes?

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* So, the "II UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar" UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar" mentioned in was between humans and apes?
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* So, the "II AmericanCivilWar" mentioned in was between humans and apes?

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* So, the "II AmericanCivilWar" UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar" mentioned in was between humans and apes?
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[[WMG:''ChildrenOfMen'' takes place in the ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' universe.]]

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[[WMG: England has identified the source of the fertility plague and it is communicable]]
Hence why they are trying to get the fugitives out of the country or destroy them. They want to do so before releasing the cure.
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The virus from ''Rise'' mutates so it is not so virulent and deadly, it merely removed reproductive ability. While the human race slowly exits, the apes experience a great birth rate.

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The virus from ''Rise'' mutates so it is not so virulent and deadly, it merely removed reproductive ability. While the human race slowly exits, exits (or at least far fewer are reproducing for now), the apes experience a great birth rate.
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[[WMG: ''Children of Men'' is a sequel to the movie Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes.]]

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[[WMG: ''Children of Men'' is a sequel to the movie Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes.''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes''.]]
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She was just one of the first.

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She was just one of the first.first.

[[WMG: ''Children of Men'' is a sequel to the movie Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes.]]
The virus from ''Rise'' mutates so it is not so virulent and deadly, it merely removed reproductive ability. While the human race slowly exits, the apes experience a great birth rate.
* So, the "II AmericanCivilWar" mentioned in was between humans and apes?
** Possibly, but more likely the apes were just biding their time as the humans killed each other off and died off.
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[[WMG:''ChildrenOfMen'' takes place in the HalfLife universe.]]

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[[WMG:''ChildrenOfMen'' takes place in the HalfLife ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' universe.]]
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Many oppressive governments have tried to scare their people into believing the world is falling apart, and that the only reasonable course of action is to bear down to keep the outside from coming in so citizens can live in peace. What if it wasn't fiction, but the God's honest truth? How would a good government respond to a world that has actually [[CrapsackWorld gone to Hell in a hand-basket?]] The British government may simply be doing the best it can to hold things together, driven to brutality in the attempt to preserve what semblance of civilization remains.

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Many oppressive governments have tried to scare their people into believing the world is falling apart, and that the only reasonable course of action is to bear down to keep the outside from coming in so citizens can live in peace. What if it wasn't fiction, but the God's honest truth? How would a good government respond to a world that has actually [[CrapsackWorld gone to Hell in a hand-basket?]] The British government may simply be doing the best it can to hold things together, driven to brutality in the attempt to preserve what semblance of civilization remains.remains.
[[WMG:The sterility plague is wearing off]]
She was just one of the first.
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[[WMG:The government of Britain is comprised of ReasonableAuthorityFigures.]]

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[[WMG:The government of Britain is mostly comprised of ReasonableAuthorityFigures.]][[ReasonableAuthorityFigure reasonable authority figures.]]]]

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** If Britain wasn't an attractive place to live the refugees wouldn't be trying so hard to get in, so that supports the assertion that at least mainland Europe is in big trouble.



If it were, humans would not be the only species affected, yet we see many animals (cats, dogs, chickens) that have much shorter lifespans than 18 years. Whatever caused it specifically affected only humans.

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If it were, humans would not be the only species affected, yet we see many animals (cats, dogs, chickens) that have much shorter lifespans than 18 years. Whatever caused it specifically affected only humans.humans.

[[WMG:The government of Britain is comprised of ReasonableAuthorityFigures.]]
Many oppressive governments have tried to scare their people into believing the world is falling apart, and that the only reasonable course of action is to bear down to keep the outside from coming in so citizens can live in peace. What if it wasn't fiction, but the God's honest truth? How would a good government respond to a world that has actually [[CrapsackWorld gone to Hell in a hand-basket?]] The British government may simply be doing the best it can to hold things together, driven to brutality in the attempt to preserve what semblance of civilization remains.
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** Supported implicitly in the movie. The youngest person on Earth was a Brazilian who was killed (ostensibly by accident) while leaving a club. Doesn't sound like an anarchy to me. The idea seems to be that there are functioning governments, but they are a minority among those that collapsed.

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** Supported implicitly in the movie. The youngest person on Earth was a Brazilian an Argentinian who was killed (ostensibly by accident) while leaving a club.club in Buenos Aires. Doesn't sound like an anarchy to me. The idea seems to be that there are functioning governments, but they are a minority among those that collapsed.
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** Supported implicitly in the movie. The youngest person on Earth was a Brazilian who was killed (ostensibly by accident) while leaving a club. Doesn't sound like an anarchy to me. The idea seems to be that there are functioning governments, but they are a minority among those that collapsed.

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** Supported implicitly in the movie. The youngest person on Earth was a Brazilian who was killed (ostensibly by accident) while leaving a club. Doesn't sound like an anarchy to me. The idea seems to be that there are functioning governments, but they are a minority among those that collapsed.collapsed.

[[WMG:The sterility plague was not caused by nuclear fallout.]]
If it were, humans would not be the only species affected, yet we see many animals (cats, dogs, chickens) that have much shorter lifespans than 18 years. Whatever caused it specifically affected only humans.
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It was possible that the British government uses the "Britain stands alone" line to say that it was the only surviving nation left.

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* It was possible that the British government uses the "Britain stands alone" line to say that it was the only surviving nation left.
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It was possible that the British government uses the "Britain stands alone" line to say that it was the only surviving nation left.

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It was possible that the British government uses the "Britain stands alone" line to say that it was the only surviving nation left.left.
** Supported implicitly in the movie. The youngest person on Earth was a Brazilian who was killed (ostensibly by accident) while leaving a club. Doesn't sound like an anarchy to me. The idea seems to be that there are functioning governments, but they are a minority among those that collapsed.
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Between 1 and 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no mention of the Seven Hour War.

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Between 1 and 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no mention of the Seven Hour War.War.

[[WMG: Britain is not the only country with a functioning government.]]

It was possible that the British government uses the "Britain stands alone" line to say that it was the only surviving nation left.
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[[WMG:''ChildrenOfMen'' takes place in the HalfLife universe.]]

Between 1 and 2. The Combine is suppressing the ability to reproduce already. It all fits, except there's no mention of the Seven Hour War.

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