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[[WMG: Grell is the bastard daughter of [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Naruto Suigetsu and Karin]] ]]
I mean look at her. She gets her teeth, sense of humor, and her love of giant swords from [[http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-347/page002.html her dad]] and her hair and her taste in "friends" from [[http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2500000/Enter-Karin-naruto-shippuuden-2529254-750-1100.jpg her mom]]. The resemblance is hard to deny even if you don't ship it.

They look [[http://www.onemanga.com/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/168/13/ ''extremely'']] [[http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e123/RayPrower/Animu/KuroshitsujiSebastian-1.jpg similar]], have the same suave attitude and have supernatural powers. Plus, their closest partner both wear eyepatches signifying the bond between them.

[[http://www.mangareader.net/350-24636-17/pandora-hearts/chapter-7.html What do you mean]][[http://www.mangareader.net/350-24639-22/pandora-hearts/chapter-10.html that's not Alois?]]

This is supported by Undertaker's soft spot for Ciel, his potential obsession with his happiness (and happiness in general), his readily apparent distaste for the Queen forcing Ciel to do unsavory things for her, and the mere fact that he had no problem with him holding on to his "treasure", [[http://www.mangahere.com/manga/kuroshitsuji/v13/c064/24.html almost acting as if it was only appropriate that Ciel held onto it for him.]]

[[WMG:[[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/glamorous_lip/c005/02.html Kazuki]] from Glamorous Lip is Ciel [[spoiler:as a demon in the 21st Century.]] ]]

* I think this was {{Jossed}} in season 2 (which this trooper completely disavows BTW!). At one point Sebastian reminisces about when he first started serving Ciel and he says that he didn't know what human food tasted like because had always been a demon. I think he also says something along similar lines in his cinematic record when he was stabbed by the Undertaker during the Campania arc. Several times throughout the manga Sebastian [[http://www.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/63/3 makes]] [[http://www.mangareader.net/102-2023-12/kuroshitsuji/chapter-14.html various]] [[http://www.mangareader.net/102-2023-41/kuroshitsuji/chapter-14.html comments]] that indicate he has never been human. If he was ever human then he died too young to remember it or he has lived so long that he has completely forgotten what it is like.

[[WMG:Grell Sutcliff is related to Death the Kid from [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoulEater Soul Eater]] ]]

* That is possible. In fact, I think demons are the same as angels in the Kuroverse in that they are genderless. Sebastian's VA [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oY2Mo5uka0 once said]] he thought Sebastian became exactly what Ciel needed at that time. I agree. Sebastian could have taken a male form because it offered him the most amount of freedom in Victorian England. He can get away with things that a woman would not in that time period. It's probably a case of ArtEvolution, but in the manga Sebastian's features are [[http://www.mangareader.net/102-2010-14/kuroshitsuji/chapter-1.html more feminine]] in the beginning chapters than [[http://www.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/77 the later ones]].

We see "Ciel" get quite brutally stabbed on the altar in several flashbacks (at the time that the contract is made, the real Ciel looks like [[http://i14.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/54/kuroshitsuji-2014169.jpg this]], and the text even says "Ciel isn't here anymore."), but the Ciel who contracts with Sebastian is not wounded in any way, and even if it had been long enough for the wound to have healed 'and' the wound was survivable in the first place, there's no sign of blood. Not to mention when the contract scene is taking place there's a bloody hand on the altar still. And in [[spoiler: Baron Kelvin's]] recreation of the scene, there's the dead "Ciel" on the altar, and another boy in the cage who looks just like him.

* During a flashback of when a cult summoned him, we see [[http://www.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/62/2 a woman covering herself with another cultist's cape]], implying there may have been an orgy going on.

* In episode 9: She was under a lot of stress because not one, not two, but ''three'' skilled fighters were trying to kill her and Dagger. She also would've been worried about Joker, Peter, Wendy, and Jumbo. Even then, she only really gets angry once [[spoiler:Dagger is murdered]].

but rather a Cornish branch, an English branch, a Manx branch, a Scottish branch, and a Welsh branch, possibly with some kind of sub-branches for places like Shetland and the Channel Islands.

but rather a Cornish branch, an English branch, a Manx branch, a Scottish branch, and a Welsh branch, possibly with sub-branches for places like Shetland and the Channel Islands.

[[WMG:There isn't actually a British branch of grim reapers]]

but rather a Cornish branch, an English branch, a Manx branch, a Scottish branch, and a Welsh branch.

but rather a Cornish branch, English branch, Manx branch, Scottish branch, and Welsh branch.

* Why then is Sebastian so cruel towards Ciel? [[spoiler:And why would Vincent as a demon eat the soul of his ither, favoured son?]]

** Grell was brandishing what was clearly a weapon at Sebastian and behaving in a threatening manner towards him. I just assumed Lizzie thought she would be a threat to Ciel as well. Additionally, if Lizzie can sense who is and isn't a supernatural being, why has she not seemed to notice Sebastian isn't human?

** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of chapter 130, Undertaker made a bizzare doll out of the true Ciel's (our Ciel's older twin) corpse.

** Grell was brandishing what was clearly a weapon at Sebastian and not-so-subtly threatening him. I just assumed Lizzie thought she would be a threat to Ciel as well.

The only times we see her lose her temper in Book of Circus are pretty justified:

** In episode 2: Sebastian got up in her personal space and touched her without her consent, then proceeded to insult her. It's worth noting that Dagger, who doesn't seem to be hot-headed, also got upset on Beast's behalf and had a very similar reaction to hers.
** In episode 6: She had just been rejected by someone she loved deeply, then Sebastian, a person who had already made a very bad impression on her and was clearly eavesdropping on a private conversation, started pestering her. She only escalated the conflict when he refused to leave and blatantly disrespected her autonomy by getting in her personal space ''again'' after she told him to get lost.
** In episode 9: She was under a lot of stress because not one, not two, but ''three'' skilled fighters were trying to kill her and Dagger. She also would've been worried about Joker, Peter, Wendy, and Jumbo. Even then, she only really gets angry once [[spoiler:Dagger is murdered]].

[[WMG: In conjunction with the above, the Ciel we are following in the series is biologically female.]]
This is rather more on the "Wild" side of Wild Mass Guessing.

Whether he truly identifies as male or is living as male in order to take the real Ciel Phantomhive's place, as mentioned above (it's highly unlikely that this theory holds water if the Ciel we're seeing is the real Ciel, because it's Victorian England, and he's engaged to a girl he's known since birth.) there are a handful of signs suggesting this- and it's even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] a few times. Ciel is very feminine in appearance (as proven by how exceptionally well he passed in drag) and he's been getting progressively more feminine as the series has gone on.(Contrast [[http://i38.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/2/kuroshitsuji-52056.jpg this picture]] to [[http://i7.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/63/kuroshitsuji-2815719.jpg this one]].) Beginning to go through puberty, perhaps? In chapter 37, Nina Hopkins comments that his measurements have stayed the same, with the exception of his waist being slimmer, implying he's getting somewhat of an hourglass figure. Frances comments that he's built more like a girl. And this is, perhaps, slight nitpick, but in Noah's Ark Circus, considering the backgrounds of most of the performers, he seems resistant to removing his clothes in front of other males beyond what one would expect for just the brand on his back. And even when he knows that Freckles[[spoiler:/Doll]] is able to lift up his shirt at the back and see the brand, he determinedly holds his shirt down over his chest.
Sebastian would obviously be aware of this (and most likely Tanaka as well, though Tanaka most likely knows EVERYTHING) as he's the one who dresses and bathes Ciel, but he would have undoubtedly been ordered not to breathe a word of it to anyone immediately.
Just putting the W back in WMG, don't mind me.
** Jossed in chapter 71, [[http://www.mangareader.net/kuroshitsuji/71/27 we see his bare chest]] when he gets attacked, and it's clearly male.
*** Maybe. But remember that Ciel is pretty clearly either prepubescent or just starting puberty. Not all girls have begun growing breasts by that age, and before a young girl grows breasts her chest looks no different from a boy's chest. Maaaayyyybe.
*** Jossed as of the 'Witches Forest' Arc. The Green witch gropes Ciel and remakes that he's definately a man.
*** ... but what if Ciel is super-paranoid about being found out and wears, um, filling?

[[WMG: Ciel told Sebastian to treat most of his orders as requests in order to keep Sebastian from having as many opportunities to be a JerkassGenie.]]
"Sebastian, this is an order" means "Now, exactly as I say". They have a standing deal that any other orders he gives are to be treated as requests from a boss, and for Sebastian to take his time and use common sense to try to interpret them as Ciel most likely means rather than as might benefit Sebastian the most.

* But Ciel never once said the contract seal impaired his vision? I believe he only ever mentioned the eyepatch he covers it with messes up his depth perception.

* Jossed. Finny was an underground experiment humanoid.