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I don't think they were younger in the spin-off as it's revealed to take place in the same timeline as the main game at the end.
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The original visual novel can be downloaded [[https://carrotpatchgames.itch.io/our-wonderland here]]. A spin-off called ''Our Fantastic Wonderland'', featuring the cast in their youth, was released in 2022 and can be downloaded [[https://carrotpatchgames.itch.io/our-fantastic-wonderland here]].
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The original visual novel can be downloaded [[https://carrotpatchgames.itch.io/our-wonderland here]]. A spin-off called ''Our Fantastic Wonderland'', featuring the cast in their youth, a DnD-style fantasy story, was released in 2022 and can be downloaded [[https://carrotpatchgames.itch.io/our-fantastic-wonderland here]].
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This is incorrect—the game makes it clear that Gidget is AFAB.
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** Gidget relentlessly pursues and loves Iggy, to the point of changing her hobbies to appeal to him more and [[spoiler:transitioning to female]].
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** Gidget relentlessly pursues and loves Iggy, to the point of changing her hobbies to appeal to him more and [[spoiler:transitioning to female]].more.
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''Our Wonderland'' is an episodic Main/VisualNovel horror game released in 2021 by Carrot Patch Games, of ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'' fame.
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''Our Wonderland'' is an episodic Main/VisualNovel VisualNovel horror game released in 2021 by Carrot Patch Games, of ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'' fame.
fame. The first episode released in 2021, and the work currently consists of four "Arcs" with more planned to come.
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Can be downloaded [[https://carrotpatchgames.itch.io/our-wonderland here]].
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The option to choose the Arc order has been removed in the Arc 4 update.
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* GroundhogDayLoop: Iggy is revealed to be trapped in one, justifying how the player can replay each "Arc" and in different orders.
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* GroundhogDayLoop: Iggy [[spoiler:The cast is revealed to be trapped in one, justifying how the player can replay each "Arc" and in different orders.them "remembering" what's happened before further deteriorates their psyches.]]
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* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with each time loop.
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* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with each from this a lot. [[spoiler: Naturally, when you see your friends die and rewind time loop. to save everyone only to fail over and over again, naturally, you would be broken.]]
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* EntitledToHaveYou: Gidget's attitude towards Iggy. She even flat-out tells him that she has every right to take advantage of him as compensation for changing herself for him, so she'll appeal to him more.
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* EntitledToHaveYou: Gidget's attitude towards Iggy. She even flat-out tells him Perhaps due to [[spoiler: her mother's high expectations on her and people rejecting her for being non-binary]], Gidget feels entitled to things that she has every right believes the world denied her, and will do anything to take advantage of him as compensation for changing get recompensated. She treats Iggy like a big prize and forces herself for him, so she'll appeal to on him more.when he refuses her [[spoiler: even in her own route]].
* TheManyDeathsOfYou: Well, it is an horror game. [[spoiler: And that's not even mentioning how they died in previous loops.]]
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* ShoutOut: In Orlam's route, Gidget mocks Iggy and his SelectiveObliviousness, stating he "never notices what's in front of him". Which is the same thing Nester told Olie in ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}''.
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* ShoutOut: In Orlam's route, Gidget mocks Iggy and his SelectiveObliviousness, stating he "never notices what's in front of him". Which is the same thing Nester told Just like Olie in ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}''.
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** Gidget's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy tells Gidget about his asexuality, only for her to reject him. Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and Gidget kills him to prevent him from eating Iggy as well. Iggy and Gidget run into Bucks's empty cabin, where she tries to rape him. Then Bucks enters the cabin, killing them both.]]
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* ButForMeItWasTuesday: Genzou has so little regard for Orlam that he acts with confusion after the latter calls him out on bullying him for years, though it’s possible that he was just saying that to be a dick.
-->'''Orlam''': ''Genzou? Serious? He couldn't be serious if his life depended on it. Except maybe when tormenting me. You always took that pretty seriously, didn't you?''
-->'''Genzou''': ''Oh god, is that what this is about? You butthurt I picked on you when we were kids? Get a life.''
-->'''Orlam''': ''Genzou? Serious? He couldn't be serious if his life depended on it. Except maybe when tormenting me. You always took that pretty seriously, didn't you?''
-->'''Genzou''': ''Oh god, is that what this is about? You butthurt I picked on you when we were kids? Get a life.''
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* ButForMeItWasTuesday: ButForMeItWasTuesday:
** Iggy was the one who encouraged Gidget to become a model. He was only being nice, but said talk motivated her to become a famous model and gives her a purpose to live for.
** Genzou has so little regard for Orlam that he acts with confusion after the latter calls him out on bullying him for years, though it’s possible that he was just saying that to be a dick.
-->'''Orlam''': --->'''Orlam''': ''Genzou? Serious? He couldn't be serious if his life depended on it. Except maybe when tormenting me. You always took that pretty seriously, didn't you?''
-->'''Genzou''': --->'''Genzou''': ''Oh god, is that what this is about? You butthurt I picked on you when we were kids? Get a life.''
** Iggy was the one who encouraged Gidget to become a model. He was only being nice, but said talk motivated her to become a famous model and gives her a purpose to live for.
** Genzou has so little regard for Orlam that he acts with confusion after the latter calls him out on bullying him for years, though it’s possible that he was just saying that to be a dick.
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* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: So much averted with Bucks. She believed that a life with Hunar and a child, the things that other people her age had, was what she wanted. Not only the baby puts a fair amount of strain on their marriage, it culminates with [[spoiler: Bucks using the baby as a blood sacrifice to enter Wonderland]].
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: [[spoiler: Bucks wanted to get away from her husband and child, believing that if she were in a world where she wouldn't have any responsabilities, she would be happier. By the time Iggy finds her, she is clearly unhinged by this decision, killing anyone that stumbles upon her on the paranoid delusion that they want to send her back to the real world.]]
* BewareTheNiceOnes: Gidget and Orlam, as once they enter Wonderland they grow a bit more backbone. Gidget becomes more agressive in her romantical pursuit of Iggy, while Orlam starts pushing back against Genzou. Then [[spoiler: Iggy rejects Gidget and Genzou brushes off the years he bullied Orlam]] and the two REALLY turn out to be no one to mess with.
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: [[spoiler: Bucks wanted to get away from her husband and child, believing that if she were in a world where she wouldn't have any responsabilities, she would be happier. By the time Iggy finds her, she is clearly unhinged by this decision, killing anyone that stumbles upon her on the paranoid delusion that they want to send her back to the real world.]]
* BewareTheNiceOnes: Gidget and Orlam, as once they enter Wonderland they grow a bit more backbone. Gidget becomes more agressive in her romantical pursuit of Iggy, while Orlam starts pushing back against Genzou. Then [[spoiler: Iggy rejects Gidget and Genzou brushes off the years he bullied Orlam]] and the two REALLY turn out to be no one to mess with.
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* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: So much averted with Bucks. She believed that a life with Hunar and a child, the things that other people her age had, was what she wanted. Not only the baby puts a fair amount of strain on their marriage, it culminates with [[spoiler: Bucks [[spoiler:Bucks using the baby as a blood sacrifice to enter Wonderland]].
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor:[[spoiler: Bucks [[spoiler:Bucks wanted to get away from her husband and child, believing that if she were in a world where she wouldn't have any responsabilities, she would be happier. By the time Iggy finds her, she is clearly unhinged by this decision, killing anyone that stumbles upon her on the paranoid delusion that they want to send her back to the real world.]]
* BewareTheNiceOnes: Gidget and Orlam, as once they enter Wonderland they grow a bit more backbone. Gidget becomes more agressive in her romantical pursuit of Iggy, while Orlam starts pushing back against Genzou. Then[[spoiler: Iggy [[spoiler:Iggy rejects Gidget and Genzou brushes off the years he bullied Orlam]] and the two REALLY turn out to be no one to mess with.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: Gidget and Orlam, as once they enter Wonderland they grow a bit more backbone. Gidget becomes more agressive in her romantical pursuit of Iggy, while Orlam starts pushing back against Genzou. Then
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* ComingOfAgeStory: One that goes horribly, horribly wrong. Upon entering Wonderland, Gidget, Orlam and [[spoiler: Bucks]] embrace their new hedonist lives in Wonderland and start to grow a backbone. Unfortunately, it's [[AttemptedRape what]] [[EvilOverlord leads]] [[OffingTheOffspring them]] to react so strongly at the end.
* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with each timeloop.
* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with each timeloop.
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* ComingOfAgeStory: One that goes horribly, horribly wrong. Upon entering Wonderland, Gidget, Orlam and [[spoiler: Bucks]] [[spoiler:Bucks]] embrace their new hedonist lives in Wonderland and start to grow a backbone. Unfortunately, it's [[AttemptedRape what]] [[EvilOverlord leads]] [[OffingTheOffspring them]] to react so strongly at the end.
* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with eachtimeloop.time loop.
* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with each
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* {{Foil}}: The whole game is intended to be one for ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'', coming from the same author. Easter had a troubled protagonist, while his friends had more carefree lives and were unaware of his issues, while Our Wonderland has a fairly normal protagonist who is completely unaware of his friends' troubled lives and issues.
* GroundhogDayLoop: Iggy is revealed to be trapped in one.
* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: Orlam not only killed some of Wonderland's residents to avoid food expenses, he also takes a liking to eating it himself. He'll even go as far as eating Genzou and Iggy in some bad endings.]]
* GroundhogDayLoop: Iggy is revealed to be trapped in one.
* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: Orlam not only killed some of Wonderland's residents to avoid food expenses, he also takes a liking to eating it himself. He'll even go as far as eating Genzou and Iggy in some bad endings.]]
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** Gidget relentlessly pursues and loves Iggy, to the point of changing her hobbies to appeal to him more and [[spoiler: transitioning to female.]]
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* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: In Genzou's route, Gidget becomes addicted to Iggy's screams as she's brutally assaulting him. [[spoiler: In fact, she loves it so much that she finds something new to love about him and decides to hit him some more.]]
* MultipleEndings: Notable for there being [[spoiler: no happy ones]].
** Main Route: [[spoiler: Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, [[OffingTheOffspring who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties]]. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, [[RetGone Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence]].]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy snaps and brutally kills her. Having lost everyone, he wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and [[ImAHumanitarian Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it]]. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
* MultipleEndings: Notable for there being [[spoiler: no happy ones]].
** Main Route: [[spoiler: Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, [[OffingTheOffspring who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties]]. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, [[RetGone Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence]].]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy snaps and brutally kills her. Having lost everyone, he wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and [[ImAHumanitarian Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it]]. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
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* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: In Genzou's route, Gidget becomes addicted to Iggy's screams as she's brutally assaulting him. [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In fact, she loves it so much that she finds something new to love about him and decides to hit him some more.]]
* MultipleEndings: Notable for there being[[spoiler: no [[spoiler:no happy ones]].
** Main Route:[[spoiler: Iggy [[spoiler:Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, [[OffingTheOffspring who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties]]. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, [[RetGone Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence]].]]
** Genzou's Route:[[spoiler: Same [[spoiler:Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy snaps and brutally kills her. Having lost everyone, he wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route:[[spoiler: Iggy [[spoiler:Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and [[ImAHumanitarian Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it]]. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
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* ToxicFriendInfluence: Pretty much every friendship Iggy can develop is destructive in some fashion. Gidget is psychotically obsessed with him to the point of being willing to restrain and repeatedly rape him, Genzou becomes more callous of Orlam when Iggy is around, and his words caused Bucks to enter into a loveless marriage with Hunar. [[spoiler: At the end of the Main Route, he realizes that any long-term relationship with him is dangerous, and wishes to erase himself from existence.]]
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* ToxicFriendInfluence: Pretty much every friendship Iggy can develop is destructive in some fashion. Gidget is psychotically obsessed with him to the point of being willing to restrain and repeatedly rape him, Genzou becomes more callous of Orlam when Iggy is around, and his words caused Bucks to enter into a loveless marriage with Hunar. [[spoiler: At [[spoiler:At the end of the Main Route, he realizes that any long-term relationship with him is dangerous, and wishes to erase himself from existence.]]
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* PoweredByAForsakenChild: It's stated that only the blood of a child can open the access to Wonderland, and by the time the timeskip happens, Iggy and his friends are too old to have activated it. As it turns out, [[spoiler: Bucks killed her own daughter to enter Wonderland.]]
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* PoweredByAForsakenChild: It's stated that only the blood of a child can open the access to Wonderland, and by the time the timeskip happens, Iggy and his friends are too old to have activated it. As it turns out, [[spoiler: Bucks [[spoiler:Bucks killed her own daughter to enter Wonderland.]]Wonderland]].
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* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: Hunar tells Bucks to "stop living in a fantasy world and grow up" so she would stop being irresponsible and take care of their child. [[spoiler: She gets the idea to escape to Wonderland instead, using the baby as a blood sacrifice]].
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* SpiritualAntithesis: The whole game is intended to be one for ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'', coming from the same author. Easter had a troubled protagonist, while his friends had more carefree lives and were unaware of his issues, while Our Wonderland has a fairly normal protagonist who is completely unaware of his friends' troubled lives and issues.
* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: Hunar tells Bucks to "stop living in a fantasy world and grow up" so she would stop being irresponsible and take care of their child.[[spoiler: She [[spoiler:She gets the idea to escape to Wonderland instead, using the baby as a blood sacrifice]].
* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: Hunar tells Bucks to "stop living in a fantasy world and grow up" so she would stop being irresponsible and take care of their child.
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* BlessedWithSuck: Sure, Iggy can revise the past and try to fix things, but that doesn't mean he remembers past loops or he succeeds.
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* LotusEaterMachine: What Wonderland seems to be.
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[[caption-width-right:350:''"What do you wish for more than anything else in the entire world?"'']]
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* LoveMartyr: In varying degrees.
** Genzou is well-aware of Iggy's deep-rooted issues and asexuality but sticks by him in spite of it.
** Gidget relentlessly pursues and loves Iggy, to the point of changing her hobbies to appeal to him more and [[spoiler: transitioning to female.]]
** Orlam idealized Genzou in elementary school and had a crush on him, despite Genzou treating him like crap. After a certain NoodleIncident at prom, Orlam has nothing but contempt for him.
** Genzou is well-aware of Iggy's deep-rooted issues and asexuality but sticks by him in spite of it.
** Gidget relentlessly pursues and loves Iggy, to the point of changing her hobbies to appeal to him more and [[spoiler: transitioning to female.]]
** Orlam idealized Genzou in elementary school and had a crush on him, despite Genzou treating him like crap. After a certain NoodleIncident at prom, Orlam has nothing but contempt for him.
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[[caption-width-right:350:''"What do you wish for more than anything else in the entire world?"'']]
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* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: Orlam not only killed some of Wolderland's residents to avoid food expenses, he also takes a liking to eating it himself. He'll even go as far as eating Genzou and Iggy in some bad endings.]]
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* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: Orlam not only killed some of Wolderland's Wonderland's residents to avoid food expenses, he also takes a liking to eating it himself. He'll even go as far as eating Genzou and Iggy in some bad endings.]]
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* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: Hunar tells Bucks to "stop living in a fantasy world and grow up" so she would stop being irresponsible and take care of their child. [[spoiler: She gets the idea to escape to Wonderland instead, using the baby as a blood sacrifice]].
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He's never remarked to be thought as ugly while he's an adult, if anything iggy only bacme more atracted to him after they've grown older
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* IWasQuiteALooker: Genzou was attractive in his childhood, to the point he attracted the attention of his classmates [[spoiler: and Orlam]]. However, the years were not kind to him: after he didn't enter college, he took to comfort food and let himself go.
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* ButtMonkey: Orlam. Not only he's treated like crap like Genzou and doesn't get any respect in the group, but even his family and acquitances find him creepy and unsettling.
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* ButtMonkey: Orlam. Not only he's treated like crap like by Genzou and doesn't get any respect in the group, but even his family and acquitances find him creepy and unsettling.
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** Gidget spends a lot of time pining after Iggy and trying to get him open up to her, to the point she [[spoiler: transitioned from male to female because she thought it'll appeal him more]]. Iggy, being the insensitive type, usually regards her affections with indifference or annoyance.
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** Gidget spends a lot of time pining after Iggy and trying to get him open up to her, to the point she [[spoiler: transitioned from male to female because she thought it'll appeal him more]].her. Iggy, being the insensitive type, usually regards her affections with indifference or annoyance.
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* EntitledToHaveYou: Gidget's attitude towards Iggy. She even flat-out tells him that she has every right to take advantage of him as compensation for [[spoiler: transitioning from male to female so she'll be more appealing to him]].
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* EntitledToHaveYou: Gidget's attitude towards Iggy. She even flat-out tells him that she has every right to take advantage of him as compensation for [[spoiler: transitioning from male to female changing herself for him, so she'll be more appealing appeal to him]]. him more.
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* ToxicFriendInfluence: Pretty much every friendship Iggy can develop is destructive in some fashion. Gidget is psychotically obsessed with him [[spoiler: to the point of transitioning from male to female]] to restrain and repeatedly rape him, Genzou becomes more callous of Orlam when Iggy is around, and his words caused Bucks to enter into a loveless marriage with Hunar. [[spoiler: At the end of the Main Route, he realizes that any long-term relationship with him is dangerous, and wishes to erase himself from existence.]]
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* ToxicFriendInfluence: Pretty much every friendship Iggy can develop is destructive in some fashion. Gidget is psychotically obsessed with him [[spoiler: to the point of transitioning from male to female]] being willing to restrain and repeatedly rape him, Genzou becomes more callous of Orlam when Iggy is around, and his words caused Bucks to enter into a loveless marriage with Hunar. [[spoiler: At the end of the Main Route, he realizes that any long-term relationship with him is dangerous, and wishes to erase himself from existence.]]
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* AttemptedRape: Gidged is uncomfortably close to doing this to Iggy at Wonderland, were it not for Genzou's intervention.
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: We're first introduced to the main characters as children, and their reactions sets up their personalities.
** Iggy's first scene is calling out his friends from their antics. As you might expect from this, he's the OnlySaneMan of the gang.
** Genzou first appears as a typical bully, only to show his softer side to Iggy.
** Orlam is picked on by his friends (especially Genzou) and pathetically tries to impose respect.
** Gidget doesn't hide her obvious attraction to Iggy, sitting next to him and agreeing with everything he says.
** Bucks is the only one who isn't scared of the Wonderland ritual, even squealing in delight upon seeing blood.
** Iggy's first scene is calling out his friends from their antics. As you might expect from this, he's the OnlySaneMan of the gang.
** Genzou first appears as a typical bully, only to show his softer side to Iggy.
** Orlam is picked on by his friends (especially Genzou) and pathetically tries to impose respect.
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Genzou's crush on Iggy comes out of his brotherly instinct to protect him. In his route, his feelings are presented more as a straightforward crush.
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-->'''Orlam''': ''Genzou? Serious? He couldn't be serious if his life depended on it. Except maybe when tormenting me. You always took that pretty seriously, didn't you?''
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-->'''Gidget''': ''But I thought you would, Iggy....you of all people! I gave up everything for you! I wanted to be perfect for you!''
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* AllMenArePerverts: Averted. Genzou and Orlam never try to force themselves on Iggy during their own routes, unlike Gidget.
* OnlySaneMan: Hunar, being the only one without any psychological issues.
* RapeAsDrama: Played to horrifying effects.
* SadisticChoice: Since this game has no happy endings every single choice you make basically just decides how Iggy will meet his end.
* SadisticChoice: Since this game has no happy endings every single choice you make basically just decides how Iggy will meet his end.
* ScareChord: Occasionally.
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* WhosLaughingNow: With all the bullying he goes through, nobody is surprised when Orlam snaps and wishes to become the king of Wonderland to enslave everyone and get back at Genzou.
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* WhosLaughingNow: With all the bullying he goes through, nobody is surprised when Orlam snaps and wishes to become the king of Wonderland to enslave everyone and get back at Genzou.Genzou.
* YankTheDogsChain: Every time Iggy's relationship with the character of their own route [[HopeSpot takes a step forward]], expect the plot to come in and kick everyone in the stomach.
* YankTheDogsChain: Every time Iggy's relationship with the character of their own route [[HopeSpot takes a step forward]], expect the plot to come in and kick everyone in the stomach.
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* LivingEmotionalCrutch: In Orlam's route, he becomes dependent on Iggy for emotional stability.
* ToxicFriendInfluence: Pretty much every friendship Iggy can develop is destructive in some fashion. Gidget is psychotically obsessed with him [[spoiler: to the point of transitioning from male to female]] to restrain and repeatedly rape him, Genzou becomes more callous of Orlam when Iggy is around, and his words caused Bucks to enter into a loveless marriage with Hunar. [[spoiler: At the end of the Main Route, he realizes that any long-term relationship with him is dangerous, and wishes to erase himself from existence.]]
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* WhosLaughingNow: Orlam.
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* WhosLaughingNow: Orlam.With all the bullying he goes through, nobody is surprised when Orlam snaps and wishes to become the king of Wonderland to enslave everyone and get back at Genzou.
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* BlessedWithSuck: Sure, Iggy can revise the past and try to fix things, but that doesn't mean he remembers past loops or he succeeds.
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* IWasQuiteALooker: Genzou was attractive in his childhood, to the point he attracted the attention of his classmates [[spoiler: and Orlam]]. However, the years were not kind to him: after he didn't enter college, he took to comfort food and let himself go.
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* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: Gidget becomes addicted to Iggy's screams as she's brutally assaulting him. [[spoiler: In fact, she loves it so much that she finds something new to love about him and decides to hit him some more.]]
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* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: In Genzou's route, Gidget becomes addicted to Iggy's screams as she's brutally assaulting him. [[spoiler: In fact, she loves it so much that she finds something new to love about him and decides to hit him some more.]]
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* PoweredByAForsakenChild: It's stated that only the blood of a child can open the access to Wonderland, and by the time the timeskip happens, Iggy and his friends are too old to have activated it. As it turns out, [[spoiler: Bucks killed her own daughter to escape to Wonderland.]]
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* PoweredByAForsakenChild: It's stated that only the blood of a child can open the access to Wonderland, and by the time the timeskip happens, Iggy and his friends are too old to have activated it. As it turns out, [[spoiler: Bucks killed her own daughter to escape to enter Wonderland.]]
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* BigBrotherInstinct: Genzou's crush on Iggy comes out of his brotherly instinct to protect him. In his route, his feelings are presented more as a straightforward crush.
* DespairEventHorizon: Iggy suffers some pretty major SanitySlippage with each timeloop.
* GroundhogDayLoop: Iggy is revealed to be trapped in one.
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** Main Route: [[spoiler: Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence.]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy kills her and wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy kills her and wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
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** Main Route: [[spoiler: Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, [[OffingTheOffspring who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties.duties]]. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, [[RetGone Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence.influence]].]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy snaps and brutally killsher and her. Having lost everyone, he wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and [[ImAHumanitarian Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eatit.it]]. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]]]
* ThePowerOfFriendship: The game revolves around this. It's friendship that helps the group live through their problems, even if they can't exactly get over them.
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** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and [[ImAHumanitarian Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat
* ThePowerOfFriendship: The game revolves around this. It's friendship that helps the group live through their problems, even if they can't exactly get over them.
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* SanitySlippage: Everyone, but it is most obvious with Iggy. Each route shows you a more tragic and/or crazy Iggy than the last. It's especially bad in Orlam's route, which gets rather....unpleasant.
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''Our Wonderland'' is an episodic Main/VisualNovel horror game released in 2021 by Carrot Patch Games, of ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'' fame.
Eleven-year-old Iggy wasn’t sure what he was expecting when he dragged his friends out to the woods to attempt a strange ritual from a book he found in the dumpster at school, but his wildest imagination couldn’t have prepared him for the land of wonder and magic that awaited them at the bottom of that old willow tree.
Now, however, it’s twenty years later, and he and his friends are past the age of make-believe. The wonderland of their youth has become nothing more than a far-off dream, until one night, Bucks and her newborn daughter disappear without a trace. Soon, Iggy and his friends find themselves being pulled back into that world of childish glee—only their wishes and desires aren’t so innocent anymore, and the world has twisted itself into a land of corruption, evil, and lust that’s scarcely recognizable.
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!!''Our Wonderland'' contains examples of:
* AerithAndBob: A staple of Carrot Patch games. In how many groups can there be a Iggy, [[TokenMinority Genzou]] and Bucks alongside an Orlam and a Gidget?
* AntiVillain: Orlam and Gidget become this upon entering Wonderland, the former becoming an evil dictator while the latter becomes an idol who tries to sexually assault Iggy. It's treated as response to years and years of abuse coupled with a deteriorated mental state.
* AttemptedRape: Gidged is uncomfortably close to doing this to Iggy at Wonderland, were it not for Genzou's intervention.
* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: So much averted with Bucks. She believed that a life with Hunar and a child, the things that other people her age had, was what she wanted. Not only the baby puts a fair amount of strain on their marriage, it culminates with [[spoiler: Bucks using the baby as a blood sacrifice to enter Wonderland]].
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: [[spoiler: Bucks wanted to get away from her husband and child, believing that if she were in a world where she wouldn't have any responsabilities, she would be happier. By the time Iggy finds her, she is clearly unhinged by this decision, killing anyone that stumbles upon her on the paranoid delusion that they want to send her back to the real world.]]
* BewareTheNiceOnes: Gidget and Orlam, as once they enter Wonderland they grow a bit more backbone. Gidget becomes more agressive in her romantical pursuit of Iggy, while Orlam starts pushing back against Genzou. Then [[spoiler: Iggy rejects Gidget and Genzou brushes off the years he bullied Orlam]] and the two REALLY turn out to be no one to mess with.
* ButForMeItWasTuesday: Genzou has so little regard for Orlam that he acts with confusion after the latter calls him out on bullying him for years, though it’s possible that he was just saying that to be a dick.
* ButtMonkey: Orlam. Not only he's treated like crap like Genzou and doesn't get any respect in the group, but even his family and acquitances find him creepy and unsettling.
* ComingOfAgeStory: One that goes horribly, horribly wrong. Upon entering Wonderland, Gidget, Orlam and [[spoiler: Bucks]] embrace their new hedonist lives in Wonderland and start to grow a backbone. Unfortunately, it's [[AttemptedRape what]] [[EvilOverlord leads]] [[OffingTheOffspring them]] to react so strongly at the end.
* DoggedNiceGuy:
** Gidget spends a lot of time pining after Iggy and trying to get him open up to her, to the point she [[spoiler: transitioned from male to female because she thought it'll appeal him more]]. Iggy, being the insensitive type, usually regards her affections with indifference or annoyance.
** Implied to be the reason why Orlam puts up with Genzou.
* EntitledToHaveYou: Gidget's attitude towards Iggy. She even flat-out tells him that she has every right to take advantage of him as compensation for [[spoiler: transitioning from male to female so she'll be more appealing to him]].
* {{Foil}}: The whole game is intended to be one for ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'', coming from the same author. Easter had a troubled protagonist, while his friends had more carefree lives and were unaware of his issues, while Our Wonderland has a fairly normal protagonist who is completely unaware of his friends' troubled lives and issues.
* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: Orlam not only killed some of Wolderland's residents to avoid food expenses, he also takes a liking to eating it himself. He'll even go as far as eating Genzou and Iggy in some bad endings.]]
* LongingForFictionland: One of the cruelest deconstructions of this trope. The protagonist's life has been really depressing, and all his friends are worse off than before he met them. They enter their [[HappyPlace personal paradise]] so that whatever they wanted most all their life is finally theirs, but they each end up making things worse for them and/or himself.
* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: Gidget becomes addicted to Iggy's screams as she's brutally assaulting him. [[spoiler: In fact, she loves it so much that she finds something new to love about him and decides to hit him some more.]]
* MultipleEndings: Notable for there being [[spoiler: no happy ones]].
** Main Route: [[spoiler: Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence.]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy kills her and wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
* PoweredByAForsakenChild: It's stated that only the blood of a child can open the access to Wonderland, and by the time the timeskip happens, Iggy and his friends are too old to have activated it. As it turns out, [[spoiler: Bucks killed her own daughter to escape to Wonderland.]]
* ShoutOut: In Orlam's route, Gidget mocks Iggy and his SelectiveObliviousness, stating he "never notices what's in front of him". Which is the same thing Nester told Olie in ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}''.
* WhosLaughingNow: Orlam.
Eleven-year-old Iggy wasn’t sure what he was expecting when he dragged his friends out to the woods to attempt a strange ritual from a book he found in the dumpster at school, but his wildest imagination couldn’t have prepared him for the land of wonder and magic that awaited them at the bottom of that old willow tree.
Now, however, it’s twenty years later, and he and his friends are past the age of make-believe. The wonderland of their youth has become nothing more than a far-off dream, until one night, Bucks and her newborn daughter disappear without a trace. Soon, Iggy and his friends find themselves being pulled back into that world of childish glee—only their wishes and desires aren’t so innocent anymore, and the world has twisted itself into a land of corruption, evil, and lust that’s scarcely recognizable.
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!!''Our Wonderland'' contains examples of:
* AerithAndBob: A staple of Carrot Patch games. In how many groups can there be a Iggy, [[TokenMinority Genzou]] and Bucks alongside an Orlam and a Gidget?
* AntiVillain: Orlam and Gidget become this upon entering Wonderland, the former becoming an evil dictator while the latter becomes an idol who tries to sexually assault Iggy. It's treated as response to years and years of abuse coupled with a deteriorated mental state.
* AttemptedRape: Gidged is uncomfortably close to doing this to Iggy at Wonderland, were it not for Genzou's intervention.
* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: So much averted with Bucks. She believed that a life with Hunar and a child, the things that other people her age had, was what she wanted. Not only the baby puts a fair amount of strain on their marriage, it culminates with [[spoiler: Bucks using the baby as a blood sacrifice to enter Wonderland]].
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: [[spoiler: Bucks wanted to get away from her husband and child, believing that if she were in a world where she wouldn't have any responsabilities, she would be happier. By the time Iggy finds her, she is clearly unhinged by this decision, killing anyone that stumbles upon her on the paranoid delusion that they want to send her back to the real world.]]
* BewareTheNiceOnes: Gidget and Orlam, as once they enter Wonderland they grow a bit more backbone. Gidget becomes more agressive in her romantical pursuit of Iggy, while Orlam starts pushing back against Genzou. Then [[spoiler: Iggy rejects Gidget and Genzou brushes off the years he bullied Orlam]] and the two REALLY turn out to be no one to mess with.
* ButForMeItWasTuesday: Genzou has so little regard for Orlam that he acts with confusion after the latter calls him out on bullying him for years, though it’s possible that he was just saying that to be a dick.
* ButtMonkey: Orlam. Not only he's treated like crap like Genzou and doesn't get any respect in the group, but even his family and acquitances find him creepy and unsettling.
* ComingOfAgeStory: One that goes horribly, horribly wrong. Upon entering Wonderland, Gidget, Orlam and [[spoiler: Bucks]] embrace their new hedonist lives in Wonderland and start to grow a backbone. Unfortunately, it's [[AttemptedRape what]] [[EvilOverlord leads]] [[OffingTheOffspring them]] to react so strongly at the end.
* DoggedNiceGuy:
** Gidget spends a lot of time pining after Iggy and trying to get him open up to her, to the point she [[spoiler: transitioned from male to female because she thought it'll appeal him more]]. Iggy, being the insensitive type, usually regards her affections with indifference or annoyance.
** Implied to be the reason why Orlam puts up with Genzou.
* EntitledToHaveYou: Gidget's attitude towards Iggy. She even flat-out tells him that she has every right to take advantage of him as compensation for [[spoiler: transitioning from male to female so she'll be more appealing to him]].
* {{Foil}}: The whole game is intended to be one for ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}'', coming from the same author. Easter had a troubled protagonist, while his friends had more carefree lives and were unaware of his issues, while Our Wonderland has a fairly normal protagonist who is completely unaware of his friends' troubled lives and issues.
* ImAHumanitarian: [[spoiler: Orlam not only killed some of Wolderland's residents to avoid food expenses, he also takes a liking to eating it himself. He'll even go as far as eating Genzou and Iggy in some bad endings.]]
* LongingForFictionland: One of the cruelest deconstructions of this trope. The protagonist's life has been really depressing, and all his friends are worse off than before he met them. They enter their [[HappyPlace personal paradise]] so that whatever they wanted most all their life is finally theirs, but they each end up making things worse for them and/or himself.
* LovesTheSoundOfScreaming: Gidget becomes addicted to Iggy's screams as she's brutally assaulting him. [[spoiler: In fact, she loves it so much that she finds something new to love about him and decides to hit him some more.]]
* MultipleEndings: Notable for there being [[spoiler: no happy ones]].
** Main Route: [[spoiler: Iggy barely escapes Gidget's rape attempt and Genzou is mortally injured while escaping Orlam's castle. While looking for help, Iggy stumbles into Bucks, who reveals that she killed her daughter so she could enter Wonderland and be away from her familiar duties. Convinced that Iggy is there to take her back to the real world, she kills him with her axe. Feeling guilty that he truly never understood his friends, Iggy wishes to disappear, just so his loved ones can live their lives without his damaging influence.]]
** Genzou's Route: [[spoiler: Same as the above, except that Genzou survives Orlam's castle. The two then run into Bucks, who kills Genzou out of paranoia. Iggy kills her and wishes to make his pain stop.]]
** Orlam's Route: [[spoiler: Iggy kills Gidget in self-defense and Orlam turns Genzou into meatloaf and forces Iggy to eat it. Iggy and Orlam then proceed to rule Wonderland for months until they run into Bucks, who kills Orlam. Iggy runs away and wishes for the voice that's been following him since he entered Wonderland to stop tormenting him.]]
* PoweredByAForsakenChild: It's stated that only the blood of a child can open the access to Wonderland, and by the time the timeskip happens, Iggy and his friends are too old to have activated it. As it turns out, [[spoiler: Bucks killed her own daughter to escape to Wonderland.]]
* ShoutOut: In Orlam's route, Gidget mocks Iggy and his SelectiveObliviousness, stating he "never notices what's in front of him". Which is the same thing Nester told Olie in ''{{VideoGame/Easter}}''.
* WhosLaughingNow: Orlam.
