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** In "Chameleon," while it is understandable for them to want to sit with their friends/{{Love Interest}}s, it's not understandable for them to completely cut Marinette out of this decision when it directly affects her since she's the one who will have to move seats.In particular, everyone in the room not named Marinette or Adrien has been a victim of akumatization, meaning they should know better than to have such callous disregard for Marinette's feelings.

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** In "Chameleon," while it is understandable for them to want to sit with their friends/{{Love Interest}}s, friends/LoveInterests, it's not understandable for them to completely cut Marinette out of this decision when it directly affects her since she's the one who will have to move seats.In particular, everyone in the room not named Marinette or Adrien has been a victim of akumatization, meaning they should know better than to have such callous disregard for Marinette's feelings.
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* Félix Fathom in Season 5. It gave us multiple episodes that show that we're meant to sympathize with him due to the implications that he's a Sentimonster who just wants control over himself, as well as the fact that his deceased father was apparently abusive towards him. However, the fact that these instances came right after the season 4 finale (which saw him willingly give ''almost every Miraculous'' to the BigBad) made it hard for plenty of fans to find him sympathetic, especially since he has yet to really atone for that moment. Add in the fact that he continues to do morally dubious things (e.g. casually wiping people from existence in "Emotion" and stalking and abducting Kagami in "Pretension"), and detractors quickly dismissed the attempts at garnering sympathy for him as being part of the writers' accused favoritism of the Agreste family at the expense of other characters.

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* Félix Fathom in Season 5. It gave us We are given multiple episodes that show that we're meant to sympathize with him due to the implications that he's a Sentimonster who just wants control over himself, as well as the fact that his deceased father was apparently abusive towards him. However, the fact that these instances came right after the season 4 finale (which saw him willingly give ''almost every Miraculous'' to the BigBad) made it hard for plenty of fans to find him sympathetic, especially since he has yet to really atone for that moment. Add in the fact that he continues to do morally dubious things (e.g. casually wiping people from existence in "Emotion" and stalking and abducting Kagami in "Pretension"), and detractors quickly dismissed the attempts at garnering sympathy for him as being part of the writers' accused favoritism of the Agreste family at the expense of other characters.
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* Félix Fathom. Season 5 gave us multiple episodes that show that we're meant to sympathize with him due to the implications that he's a Sentimonster who just wants control over himself, as well as the fact that his deceased father was apparently abusive towards him. However, the fact that these instances came right after the season 4 finale (which saw him willingly give ''almost every Miraculous'' to the BigBad) made it hard for fans to find him sympathetic, especially since he has yet to really atone for that moment. Add in the fact that he continues to do morally dubious things in season 5 (e.g. casually wiping people from existence in "Emotion" and stalking and abducting Kagami in "Pretension"), and detractors quickly dismissed the attempts at garnering sympathy for him as being part of the writers' accused favoritism of the Agreste family at the expense of other characters.

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* Félix Fathom. Fathom in Season 5 5. It gave us multiple episodes that show that we're meant to sympathize with him due to the implications that he's a Sentimonster who just wants control over himself, as well as the fact that his deceased father was apparently abusive towards him. However, the fact that these instances came right after the season 4 finale (which saw him willingly give ''almost every Miraculous'' to the BigBad) made it hard for plenty of fans to find him sympathetic, especially since he has yet to really atone for that moment. Add in the fact that he continues to do morally dubious things in season 5 (e.g. casually wiping people from existence in "Emotion" and stalking and abducting Kagami in "Pretension"), and detractors quickly dismissed the attempts at garnering sympathy for him as being part of the writers' accused favoritism of the Agreste family at the expense of other characters.
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* We were supposed to see Nathalie Sancoeur HeelRealization in season 5 as an act of regret for being unable to stop Gabriel's action of taking Miraculouses in order to respect Emilie's last wish about how she was supposed to be Adrien's mother figure during her disappearance. Looking back to previous seasons, there is no moment where Nathalie tried to stop Gabriel, as she willingly helped him to the point of risking her own life due to her one-sided love for him, and she always acts cold and indifferent toward Adrien. Even before her condition getting worse and succumbing to deep sleep, Nathalie didn't do anything meaningful to stop Gabriel and Tomoe, not even when she try to stop Gabriel from taking Adrien to London. This makes fans feel Nathalie's redemption is hollow and downright selfish, since her reason to stop working with Gabriel were because he failed to cure her, not a regret for helping Gabriel for terrorizing Parisian or anything to respect Emilie's last wish.
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* We were supposed to see Nathalie Sancoeur HeelRealization in season 5 as an act of regret for being unable to stop Gabriel's action of taking Miraculouses in order to respect Emilie's last wish about how she was supposed to be Adrien's mother figure during her disappearance. Looking back to previous seasons, there is no moment where Nathalie tried to stop Gabriel, as she willingly helped him to the point of risking her own life due to her one-sided love for him, and she always acts cold and indifferent toward Adrien. Even before her condition getting worse and succumbing to deep sleep, Nathalie didn't do anything meaningful to stop Gabriel and Tomoe, not even when she try to stop Gabriel from taking Adrien to London. This makes fans feel Nathalie's redemption is hollow and downright selfish, since her reason to stop working with Gabriel were because he failed to cure her, not a regret for helping Gabriel for terrorizing Parisian or anything to respect Emilie's last wish.
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* We're supposed to sympathize with André the ice cream man in "Revolution" when Chloé shuts his ice cream stand down for petty and spiteful reasons. However, it's revealed in the process that he doesn't have a permit to operate his stand, which is actually illegal in RealLife, and the only excuse he gives for not having one is, "I don't need one." As such, fans instead ended up seeing it as the one good thing Chloé did during her tyrannical reign as mayor.

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* We're supposed to sympathize with André the ice cream man in "Revolution" when Chloé shuts his ice cream stand down for petty and spiteful reasons. However, it's revealed in the process that he doesn't have a permit to operate his stand, which is actually illegal in RealLife, and the only excuse he gives for not having one is, is "I don't need one." As such, fans instead ended up seeing it as the one good thing Chloé did during her tyrannical reign as mayor.

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* We're meant to sympathize with Max in "The Gamer," as he practiced for an entire year so that he could be chosen as one of the two students meant to represent his school in a video game tournament and failed to qualify after Marinette, who only entered to spend time with Adrien, beats him. However, many viewers have pointed out that ThisIsACompetition and that regardless of her motives, Marinette beat Max fair and square in the tryouts. Moreover, Max was rather dismissive towards Marinette when she first announced she wanted to compete, and while he initially tried to be a GracefulLoser when she beat him, once he's alone, he quickly does a 180, declaring his loss was "a travesty," that he "was the chosen one," and that his loss was "inconceivable," making it come off that he felt entitled to a spot in the tournament regardless of whether he earned one fairly. Even after being deakumatized, he ''still'' acts like a SoreLoser and gives Marinette the coldshoulder despite having attacked her as an akuma, which he's not even seen apologizing for. He only "forgives" her when she decides to give him what he wanted by offering to drop out of tournament because of how much it means to him, and we're supposed to feel happy that he gets to compete in the tournament despite Max still not having earned his spot fairly and [[KarmaHoudini never apologizing for or getting called out on his poor sportsmanship or entitled behavior]].

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* We're meant to sympathize with Max in "The Gamer," as Gamer" because he practiced for an entire year so that he could be chosen as one of the two students meant to represent his school in a video game tournament and failed to qualify after Marinette, who only entered to spend time with Adrien, beats him. However, many viewers have pointed out that ThisIsACompetition and that regardless of her motives, Marinette (and Adrien) beat Max fair and square in the tryouts. tryouts, meaning Max didn't deserve to represent the school in the tournament. Moreover, Max was rather dismissive towards Marinette when she first announced she wanted to compete, and while he initially tried to be a GracefulLoser when she beat him, once he's alone, he quickly does a 180, declaring his loss was "a travesty," that he "was the chosen one," and that his loss was "inconceivable," making it him come off as an EntitledBastard who refuses to accept the simple fact that he felt entitled to a spot in didn't earn the tournament regardless of whether he earned one fairly. right to represent the school while others did. Even after being deakumatized, he ''still'' acts like a SoreLoser and gives Marinette the coldshoulder cold shoulder despite having attacked her as an akuma, which he's not even seen apologizing for. He only "forgives" her when she decides to give him what he wanted wants (thus ''rewarding'' his bad behavior) by offering to drop out of tournament because of how much it means to him, and we're supposed to feel happy that he gets to compete in the tournament despite Max still not having earned his spot fairly and [[KarmaHoudini never apologizing for or getting called out on his poor sportsmanship or entitled behavior]].



* Kagami in "Riposte." She's presented as being under a lot of pressure from her family to succeed, and her loss to Adrien is supposed to be due to an ''alleged'' bad call, even though the call made against her was never actually determined to be incorrect (a FreezeFrameBonus even hints that Kagami really did lose the bout). Though Marinette did say that she thought Adrien struck first, she also stated she was unsure, and it was D'Argencourt who officially declared Adrien the winner based solely on Marinette's flimsy opinion while ignoring protests otherwise, with it being strongly implied that he did so to spite Kagami for being rude to him earlier. Moreover, Kagami was the one who suggested that she and Adrien be disconnected from the machines that exist to ensure an unbiased call and later continued their bout into the school library where there were barely any witnesses when she could've just pointed out that the bout ends when one of the fencers leaves the mat. All in all, it was Kagami's own foolish decisions that caused the allegedly biased ruling against her. That's not even getting to the fact that many of the moves she used--including crossing her feet, shoving someone off the mat, and turning her back to her opponent--would be illegal in fencing in real life, making many fans who are familiar with fencing feel like Kagami deserved to lose.
* André the ice cream man is repeatedly akumatized when he fears that his ice cream has lost its magic. However, this increasingly boils down to [[ShipperOnDeck shipping teenagers he barely knows]], and getting mad enough to be akumatized whenever he sees them with other people. A lot of fans view André not as the ExcellentJudgeOfCharacter that his improvised recipes are meant to show, but as a blithe, pathetic creep who needs to mind his own business. His conviction in the power of love also seems more fickle [[AesopAmnesia the more often]] he loses hope (over [[LovesMyAlterEgo what must look to him]] like a standard LoveTriangle), wearing down the sympathy for his motives under akumatization.
** In "Glaciator", we're meant to feel sorry for André because Marinette rejected his ice cream and doubted its magic, but given that he was essentially forcing it upon her without asking if she even wanted it, Marinette had every right to reject it, and even though she said it due to her upset state, she had the right to her opinion of the "magic" ice cream being "just ice cream."
** In "Glaciator 2", André sees Marinette and Cat Noir chatting on a passing bus. Unbeknownst to them, he stares sadly at the window, assuming they're dating. Not only can this scene come off as creepy rather than sympathetic, but this is the second time that day that André jumped to such conclusions and felt entitled to police the heroes' love lives as a result.
** "Elation" doubles down on the above. When Marinette and Cat Noir really are on a date and want to buy his ice cream, André makes them feel guilty and awkward instead of doing his job. Despite knowing nothing about the situation, he also oddly pins all the blame for sinking his ships on Marinette, which some viewers interpreted as misogyny. [[DisproportionateRetribution As revenge]], André goes to destroy her life by blowing up her house [[TargetedToHurtTheHero with her parents and friend inside]]. While André is called out, future episodes have the characters still happily buying from his cart, suggesting we're to forgive him for wanting to orphan a teenager [[InsaneTrollLogic for ruining the prophecy of alleged ice cream magic]].
** In "Revolution", we're supposed to sympathize with him when Chloé shuts his ice cream stand down for petty and spiteful reasons. However, it's revealed in the process that he doesn't have a permit to operate his stand, which is actually illegal in real life, and the only excuse he gives for not having it is "I don't need one". As such, fans instead ended up seeing it as the one good thing Chloé did during her tyrannical reign as mayor.

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* Kagami in "Riposte." She's presented as being under a lot of pressure from her family to succeed, and her loss to Adrien is supposed to be due to an ''alleged'' a ''supposed'' bad call, even though the call made against her was never actually determined to be incorrect (a FreezeFrameBonus even hints that Kagami really did lose the bout). Though Marinette did say that she thought Adrien struck first, she also stated she was unsure, and it was D'Argencourt who officially declared Adrien the winner based solely on Marinette's flimsy opinion while ignoring protests otherwise, with it being strongly implied that he did so to spite Kagami for being rude to him earlier. Moreover, Kagami was the one who suggested that she and Adrien be disconnected from the electronic scoring machines that exist to ensure an unbiased call and later continued their bout into the school library where there were barely any witnesses when she could've just pointed out that the bout ends when one of the fencers leaves the mat. All in all, it was Kagami's own foolish decisions that caused the allegedly biased ruling against her. That's not even getting to the fact that many of the moves she used--including crossing her feet, shoving someone off the mat, and turning her back to her opponent--would be illegal in fencing in real life, making many fans who are familiar with fencing the sport feel like Kagami deserved to lose.
* André the ice cream man is repeatedly akumatized when he fears that his ice cream has lost its magic. However, this increasingly boils down to [[ShipperOnDeck shipping teenagers he barely knows]], knows]] and getting mad enough to be akumatized whenever he sees them with other people. A lot of fans view André not as the ExcellentJudgeOfCharacter that his improvised recipes are meant to show, but as a blithe, pathetic creep who needs to mind his own business. His conviction in the power of love also seems more fickle fickler [[AesopAmnesia the more often]] he loses hope (over [[LovesMyAlterEgo what must look to him]] like a standard LoveTriangle), wearing down the sympathy for his motives under akumatization.
** In "Glaciator", we're We're meant to feel sorry for André in "Glaciator" because Marinette rejected his ice cream and doubted its magic, but given that he was essentially forcing it upon her without asking if she even wanted it, Marinette had every right to reject it, and even though she said it due to her upset state, she had the right to her opinion of the "magic" ice cream being "just ice cream."
** In "Glaciator 2", 2," André sees Marinette and Cat Noir chatting on a passing bus. Unbeknownst to them, he stares sadly at the window, assuming they're dating. Not only can this scene come off as creepy rather than sympathetic, but this is the second time that day that André jumped to such conclusions and felt entitled to police the heroes' love lives as a result.
** "Elation" doubles down on the above. When Marinette and Cat Noir really are on a date and want to buy his ice cream, André makes them feel guilty and awkward instead of doing his job. Despite knowing nothing about the situation, he also oddly pins all the blame for sinking his ships on Marinette, which some viewers interpreted as misogyny. [[DisproportionateRetribution As revenge]], André goes to destroy her life by blowing attempting to blow up her house [[TargetedToHurtTheHero with her parents and friend inside]]. While André is called out, future episodes have the characters still happily buying from his cart, suggesting that we're to forgive him for wanting to orphan a teenager [[InsaneTrollLogic for ruining the prophecy of alleged ice cream magic]].
** In "Revolution", we're supposed to sympathize with him when Chloé shuts his ice cream stand down for petty and spiteful reasons. However, it's revealed in the process that he doesn't have a permit to operate his stand, which is actually illegal in real life, and the only excuse he gives for not having it is "I don't need one". As such, fans instead ended up seeing it as the one good thing Chloé did during her tyrannical reign as mayor.
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* The entire class often gets hit with this, save for Chloé and Lila (since the latter two are portrayed as intentionally malicious to Marinette):
** Most of the class come off as being sellouts in "Darkblade": they seem to genuinely be swayed by Chloé's bribes to consider voting for her--the class bully who's implicitly been neglecting her responsibilities as class representative, given the long list of requests the class makes to Marinette after she declares her candidacy--over their friend Marinette, whom they know is caring and hardworking.
** In "Chameleon," while it is understandable for them to want to sit with their friends/{{Love Interest}}s, it's not understandable for them to completely cut Marinette out of this decision when it directly affects her since she's the one who will have to move seats.In particular, everyone in the room not named Marinette or Adrien has been a victim of akumatization, meaning they should know better than to have such callous disregard for Marinette's feelings.



* The entire class except for Chloé and Lila in "Chameleon" (since the latter two are portrayed as intentionally malicious to Marinette). While it is understandable for them to want to sit with their friends/{{Love Interest}}s, it's not understandable for them to completely cut Marinette out of this decision when it directly affects her, since she's the one who will have to move seats. Especially since everyone in the room not named Marinette or Adrien has been a victim of Akumatization, meaning they should know better than to have such callous disregard for Marinette's feelings.

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* The entire class except for We're supposed to sympathize with André the ice cream man in "Revolution" when Chloé shuts his ice cream stand down for petty and Lila in "Chameleon" (since the latter two are portrayed as intentionally malicious to Marinette). While it is understandable for them to want to sit with their friends/{{Love Interest}}s, spiteful reasons. However, it's revealed in the process that he doesn't have a permit to operate his stand, which is actually illegal in RealLife, and the only excuse he gives for not understandable for them to completely cut Marinette out of this decision when having one is, "I don't need one." As such, fans instead ended up seeing it directly affects her, since she's as the one who will have to move seats. Especially since everyone in the room not named Marinette or Adrien has been a victim of Akumatization, meaning they should know better than to have such callous disregard for Marinette's feelings.good thing Chloé did during her tyrannical reign as mayor.
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** In "Revolution", we're supposed to sympathize with him when Chloé shuts his ice cream stand down for petty and spiteful reasons. However, it's revealed in the process that he doesn't have a permit to operate his stand, which is actually illegal in real life, and the only excuse he gives for not having it is "I don't need one". As such, fans instead ended up seeing it as the one good thing Chloé did during her tyrannical reign as mayor.
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