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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'': [[DecoyProtagonist Shinn Asuka]] was supposed to be a TragicHero whose anger issues from his tragic past -- and manipulations by the main villain -- caused him to [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis become his own antithesis]] and descend into villainy himself. The one thing that was supposed to show he was still sympathetic was his romance with Lunamaria Hawke. But their get-together only happened after he seemingly killed Lunamaria's sister Meyrin, and her then LoveInterest, Athrun Zala. Despite the fact that Shinn regretted and apologized to her for what he did -- [[IDidWhatIHadToDo but he still thought what he did was necessary]] -- and this was [[ProtagonistJourneyToVillain the turning point for his character]], it only came off as an example of how screwed-up they were as opposed to showing a redeeming side to either of them. Not helping matters is the fact that Shinn nearly ''kills'' Luna in the FinalBattle -- a result of him being [[RevengeBeforeReason blinded by anger]] when she tried to stop him from fighting Athrun -- which was supposed to be [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realized his wrongdoing and stopped his vehement train of action]]. Obviously, this didn't work out due to the rushed ending, leaving no time for him to do or express anything meaningful over it. Instead, his role in the story ended when Athrun would save Luna from Shinn's wrath by [[CurbStompBattle kicking his ass and demolishing his Gundam]]. This was [[AuthorsSavingThrow somewhat fixed in the Special Editions]] where the extended ending shows [[TheAtoner he's attempting to make up for his actions]]. But it's only in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'', which revised his character and story, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that he's considered redeemed]].

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'': [[DecoyProtagonist Shinn Asuka]] was supposed to be a TragicHero whose anger issues from his tragic past -- and manipulations by the main villain -- caused him to [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis become his own antithesis]] and descend into villainy himself. The one thing that was supposed to show he was still sympathetic was his romance with Lunamaria Hawke. But their get-together only happened after he seemingly killed Lunamaria's sister Meyrin, and her then LoveInterest, {{Love Interest|s}}, Athrun Zala. Despite the fact that Shinn regretted and apologized to her for what he did -- [[IDidWhatIHadToDo but he still thought what he did was necessary]] -- and this was [[ProtagonistJourneyToVillain the turning point for his character]], it only came off as an example of how screwed-up they were as opposed to showing a redeeming side to either of them. Not helping matters is the fact that Shinn nearly ''kills'' Luna in the FinalBattle -- a result of him being [[RevengeBeforeReason blinded by anger]] when she tried to stop him from fighting Athrun -- which was supposed to be [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realized his wrongdoing and stopped his vehement train of action]]. Obviously, this didn't work out due to the rushed ending, leaving no time for him to do or express anything meaningful over it. Instead, his role in the story ended when Athrun would save Luna from Shinn's wrath by [[CurbStompBattle kicking his ass and demolishing his Gundam]]. This was [[AuthorsSavingThrow somewhat fixed in the Special Editions]] where the extended ending shows [[TheAtoner he's attempting to make up for his actions]]. But it's only in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsZ'', which revised his character and story, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap that he's considered redeemed]].
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** Mai (member of the Pilaf gang from the original ''Manga/DragonBall'') from ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is seemingly supposed to be viewed as a cute LoveInterest for Kid Trunks. However she can come off as unsympathetic considering she's a grown woman in a child's body, and flirts (like with a flirtatious wink) with a child who's unaware of the truth (which is essentially rape by deception, realistically). Eventually dating the child, largely because it keeps a roof over the heads of the Pilaf Gang, and gives them food, and potential access to gadgets and the dragon balls. Made worse in the future timeline where the manga reveals she, and her comrades used up Shenron's last wish on the selfish desire for her, and her comrades to have young bodies again, preventing Future Gohan from wishing any of those killed back as shortly after Piccolo was killed causing the Dragon Balls to disappear. It also helps that if [[DoubleStandard the genders were reversed in this scenario]], people will be horrified and there would be many complaints about this aspect of the show.

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** Mai (member of the Pilaf gang from the original ''Manga/DragonBall'') from ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is seemingly supposed to be viewed as a cute LoveInterest {{Love Interest|s}} for Kid Trunks. However she can come off as unsympathetic considering she's a grown woman in a child's body, and flirts (like with a flirtatious wink) with a child who's unaware of the truth (which is essentially rape by deception, realistically). Eventually dating the child, largely because it keeps a roof over the heads of the Pilaf Gang, and gives them food, and potential access to gadgets and the dragon balls. Made worse in the future timeline where the manga reveals she, and her comrades used up Shenron's last wish on the selfish desire for her, and her comrades to have young bodies again, preventing Future Gohan from wishing any of those killed back as shortly after Piccolo was killed causing the Dragon Balls to disappear. It also helps that if [[DoubleStandard the genders were reversed in this scenario]], people will be horrified and there would be many complaints about this aspect of the show.
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** The way Utakata's master Harusame tries to extract the Tailed Beast from his disciple in an anime-only {{Filler}} is supposed to be seen as good intentions to the point that upon realizing this, Utakata eventually rebuilt the pedestal with him after accidentally killing him. The problem is, extracting the Bijuu from a Jinchuuriki will also directly kill the host, and with no indication of Utakata having trouble with his Bijuu, nor even knowing why his master does it in the first place against his will, it comes off as Harusame crossing the MoralEventHorizon with Utakata having every right to defy his master and killing him sounds more like a KickTheSonOfABitch than what is supposed to be.

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** The way Utakata's master Harusame tries to extract the Tailed Beast from his disciple in an anime-only {{Filler}} is supposed to be seen as good intentions to the point that upon realizing this, Utakata eventually rebuilt the pedestal with him after accidentally killing him. The problem is, extracting the Bijuu from a Jinchuuriki will also directly kill the host, and with no indication of Utakata having trouble with his Bijuu, nor even knowing why his master does it in the first place against his will, it comes off as Harusame crossing the MoralEventHorizon with Utakata having every right to defy his master and killing him sounds more like a KickTheSonOfABitch justified than what is supposed to be.
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* In "Anime/GingaDensetsuWeed", Weed is supposed to be right in exiling Jerome [[Main/WhatTheHellHero after the latter killed the Doberman assassin brothers, Lector and Thunder.]] However, Jerome killed Lector and Thunder because they had been trying to kill Weed, and they were never going to give up until they succeeded. Therefore, Jerome was trying to protect Weed, and Weed comes off, to some, as an ungrateful brat who would happily let a dangerous enemy live, all for the sake of the moral high ground.
** Also, later on in the series, Weed is not shown to have any problem with Tesshin and Hiro committing far worse acts of violence (the former giving Genba brain damage, the latter castrating Kamakiri); both of which were arguably under far less justified circumstances.

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* In "Anime/GingaDensetsuWeed", Weed is supposed to be right in exiling Jerome [[Main/WhatTheHellHero after the latter killed the Doberman assassin brothers, Lector and Thunder.]] However, Jerome killed Lector and Thunder because they had been trying to kill Weed, and they were never going to give up until they succeeded. Therefore, Jerome was trying to protect Weed, and Weed comes off, to some, as an [[Main/UngratefulBastard ungrateful brat brat]] who would happily let a dangerous enemy live, [[Main/HonorBeforeReason all for the sake of the moral high ground.
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** Also, later on in the series, Weed is not shown to have any problem with Tesshin and Hiro committing far worse acts of violence (the former giving Genba brain damage, [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GroinAttack the latter castrating Kamakiri); Kamakiri]]); both of which were arguably under far less justified circumstances.
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* In "Anime/GingaDensetsuWeed", Weed is supposed to be right in exiling Jerome [[Main/WhatTheHellHero after the latter killed the Doberman assassin brothers, Lector and Thunder.]] However, Jerome killed Lector and Thunder because they had been trying to kill Weed, and they were never going to give up until they succeeded. Therefore, Jerome was trying to protect Weed, and Weed comes off, to some, as an ungrateful brat who would happily let a dangerous enemy live, all for the sake of the moral high ground.
** Also, later on in the series, Weed is not shown to have any problem with Tesshin and Hiro committing far worse acts of violence (the former giving Genba brain damage, the latter castrating Kamakiri); both of which were arguably under far less justified circumstances.
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** Meruem, the ArcVillain of the Chimera Ant Arc. He has something of a god complex, believes that genocide is the answer for humanity's atrocities, and abducts several gaming prodigies to test his own intellect and kills the losers. One of said prodigies is a blind girl named Komugi, who becomes a MoralityPet to him and [[spoiler: eventually falls in love with her]]. Meruem's relationship with Komugi is supposed to be treated as his redeemable quality, but with the way he treated her, it bordered on StockholmSyndrome. Not helping matters is that after [[spoiler: he contracts radiation poisoning, rather than let Komugi leave with her life, he decides to play Gungi with her one last time]]. While he does warn her that his condition is contagious, [[spoiler: he makes no effort to stop her when she refuses to leave]].

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** Meruem, the ArcVillain of the Chimera Ant Arc. He has something of a god complex, believes that genocide is the answer for humanity's atrocities, and abducts several gaming prodigies to test his own intellect and kills the losers. One of said prodigies is a blind girl named Komugi, who becomes a MoralityPet to him and [[spoiler: eventually falls in love with her]]. Meruem's relationship with Komugi is supposed to be treated as his redeemable quality, but with the way he treated her, it bordered on StockholmSyndrome.UsefulNotes/StockholmSyndrome. Not helping matters is that after [[spoiler: he contracts radiation poisoning, rather than let Komugi leave with her life, he decides to play Gungi with her one last time]]. While he does warn her that his condition is contagious, [[spoiler: he makes no effort to stop her when she refuses to leave]].
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* ''Manga.MagicalGirlSite'':
** Sarina. While the story paints her as a JerkassWoobie who just lost a friend, it's hard to feel sorry for her when said friend was killed in self-defense because she was trying to get her boyfriend to rape Aya.
** Keisuke. He spent the majority of his page-time obsessing over Nijimin and tried to murder Kaname just for talking to her. Kaname using Nijimin's Stick on him is supposed to be his MoralEventHorizon, but since it's really hard to sympathize with Keisuke, many fans read/watched the scene thinking that no matter who kills who, it would be a good outcome.
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* ''Anime/AWhiskerAway'': The movie depicts Muge as a troubled but lovestruck schoolgirl who desperately wants someone to love her. Though this is sympathetic, and her troubled home life does explain why she is the way she is, her behavior towards Hinode reads less like a happy-go-lucky {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and more like a borderline stalker with a lot of disturbing behavioral issues. She relentlessly goes after a single guy, invading his personal space and boundaries, makes sexual comments about him loud enough for everyone to hear, refuses to take no for an answer even after it's implied that he told her countless times to stop, and even after she's called out on it, she never even considers that she might actually be in the wrong and that maybe she should leave him alone. Instead, she continues to go after Hinode, and the movie makes this worse by rewarding her for her behavior by having Hinode return her feelings. Not once does she ever consider how he feels about her relentless pursuit of him, nor does she ever feel any guilt or remorse over what she's done to Hinode and is more focused on her own pain. It can also be hard to appreciate how "troubled" her home life really is when it's clear that her parents and stepmother all love her dearly and try to be there for her, only for her to shut them out and throw their love back in their faces. Yes, it's very believable for a middle school girl to feel that way, and her mother walking out on her when she was a kid would scar her greatly. However, even if the viewer doesn't accept her mom trying to be in her life again, her father and stepmother were clearly always there for her and try their hardest to make her happy.
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* ''Manga/YoureMyPet'': Shiori. It's hard to feel sorry for her sad past when all she does is lie, manipulate, and blackmail her way through every situation she's in.
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I have problems seeing where the "unintentional" part with Ritsuko is in this. It is pretty unambigiously meant to be a Kick The Dog moment. The Misato entry sounds, meanwhile partly invented. Pretty sure there isn't any lines where she tells Asuka to try and be herself.


** Fans also have a bone to pick with Misato. While it's true that Asuka is a handful to deal with and she too is dealing with plenty of emotional issues of her own, her refusals to keep Asuka in line and prevent her from further tormenting and abusing Shinji not only comes across as unprofessional but just pure child-negligence. Her own advice to Asuka to be herself more was also a huge mistake as she only encouraged Asuka to be even more abusive and more of a jerk then usual.
** The episode "Rei III" has Ritsuko Akagi become this due to [[spoiler:snapping and destroying everything linked to Rei, specifically the Dummy Plug for EVA-00 and the tank containing Rei's clones, while Rei herself was fighting one of the more dangerous Angels]].
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I can't quite remember the reason why, but I hated Akagi for this.

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** The episode "Rei III" has Ritsuko Akagi become this due to [[spoiler:snapping and destroying everything linked to Rei, specifically the Dummy Plug for EVA-00 and the tank containing Rei's clones, while Rei herself was fighting one of the more dangerous Angels]].

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I do think it is fair to have Shinji count for this trope.


** Much like Asuka, fans also have a bone to pick with Misato. While it's true that Asuka is a handful to deal with and she too is dealing with plenty of emotional issues of her own, her refusals to keep Asuka in line and prevent her from further tormenting and abusing Shinji not only comes across as unprofessional but just pure child-negligence. Her own advice to Asuka to be herself more was also a huge mistake as she only encouraged Asuka to be even more abusive and more of a jerk then usual.

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** Much like Asuka, For the fans that don't find him TheWoobie, Shinji is this in spades. While he has plenty of good reasons to be an emotional wreck, his detractors can't help but find his fixation on his terrible circumstances to be over-the-top to the point of coming off as hysterical. As a result, they wish they could slap him and make him shut up and grow a spine.
** Fans
also have a bone to pick with Misato. While it's true that Asuka is a handful to deal with and she too is dealing with plenty of emotional issues of her own, her refusals to keep Asuka in line and prevent her from further tormenting and abusing Shinji not only comes across as unprofessional but just pure child-negligence. Her own advice to Asuka to be herself more was also a huge mistake as she only encouraged Asuka to be even more abusive and more of a jerk then usual.
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** Much like Asuka, for the fans also have a bone to pick with Misato. While it's true that Asuka is a handful to deal with and she too is dealing with plenty of emotional issues of her own, her refusals to keep Asuka in line and prevent her from further tormenting and abusing Shinji not only comes across as unprofessional but just pure child-negligence.

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** Much like Asuka, for the fans also have a bone to pick with Misato. While it's true that Asuka is a handful to deal with and she too is dealing with plenty of emotional issues of her own, her refusals to keep Asuka in line and prevent her from further tormenting and abusing Shinji not only comes across as unprofessional but just pure child-negligence. Her own advice to Asuka to be herself more was also a huge mistake as she only encouraged Asuka to be even more abusive and more of a jerk then usual.
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** Much like Asuka, for the fans that don't find him TheWoobie, Shinji is this in spades. While he has plenty of good reasons to be an emotional wreck, his detractors can't help but find his fixation on his terrible circumstances to be over-the-top to the point of coming off as hysterical {{wangst}}. As a result, they wish they could make him shut up and grow a spine.

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** Much like Asuka, for the fans that don't find him TheWoobie, Shinji is this in spades. also have a bone to pick with Misato. While he has it's true that Asuka is a handful to deal with and she too is dealing with plenty of good reasons to be an emotional wreck, his detractors can't help issues of her own, her refusals to keep Asuka in line and prevent her from further tormenting and abusing Shinji not only comes across as unprofessional but find his fixation on his terrible circumstances to be over-the-top to the point of coming off as hysterical {{wangst}}. As a result, they wish they could make him shut up and grow a spine.just pure child-negligence.
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* ''Manga/MadBull34'':
** Sleepy. In episode 4 of the anime we find out that he turned in his old partner and best friend despite his sympathetic criminal motivations, which results in him quitting the force and ending up killed by the local mob. The justification he gives for this is that he has to uphold the law no matter what and can't make a concession that would be illegal. This is all well and good... except for the fact that Sleepy is a CowboyCop of the highest order who doesn't think twice about blowing away any criminals he encounters with deadly force or using his prostitution money to help fund counseling centers for victims of crime. In other words, he comes off as a complete hypocrite who gets several of his comrades killed despite being perfectly willing to bend the law himself. This is the guy the viewers are supposed to be rooting for?
** The Capricorn Killer herself counts as well. She's supposed to be a tragic individual who lost everything when Sleepy turned in her brother and decided to lash out in revenge. The problem is she goes after several innocent cops who were just doing their jobs rather than the guy who caused her suffering to begin with. When she does finally confront Sleepy she can't bring herself to kill him and instead just has sex with him before running off to murder the mobsters who actually carried out her brother's execution. While her backstory is certainly sad its very hard to truly sympathize with someone who so nonchalantly murdered potentially dozens of cops while turning a blind eye to the people who were really at fault for her misery.
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