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* Gaming Paradise 2015, a ''VideoGame/CounterStrike'' and ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}'' e-Sports event in UsefulNotes/{{Slovenia}}, wound up degenerating into a disaster, as detailed in these articles from ''[[http://steamed.kotaku.com/pro-counter-strike-and-dota-2-event-turns-into-complete-1729355937 Kotaku]]'',[[http://www.hltv.org/news/15891-gaming-paradise-in-shambles HLTV]], and ''[[https://dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/sasa-bulic-csgo-gamers-paradise-3344 Dot Esports]]''.
** The event was the brainchild of Sasa Bulic, CEO of a company called The Gaming Resorts, who had no organizational experience, but made a deal with tournament organizer to Gaming.rs; the latter would organize the infrastructure of the actual event, while Gaming Resorts acted as a sponsor providing the financial handling.
** The first canary in the coalmine came arrived during qualifying matches in May, where teams were flown in but stranded until 3 AM as the buses that were supposed to drive them to their hotels came extremely late. The next day, the entire venue was hit was a massive storm that would be inconvenient on its own, but since the games were being played in ''tents'', the stage had to be delayed.
** Come a week before the next round in August, the person who was supposed to deliver the tournament [=PCs=] went MIA, and when the organizers finally got some working computers, it was found that they didn't have the tech to run the expected games to expected professional standards. Because of this, the tournament's Sunday kick-off had to be pushed back ten hours, but even after they were upgraded using tech supposedly found from ''bitcoin miners'', they still underperformed throughout the tournament.
** Combined with PC inadequacy, the broadcast itself was plagued by technical issues, to a point where the ''Dota 2'' portion of the tournament had to be canceled entirely, leaving the teams that showed up for it with nothing to show for the trip they made to Slovenia.
** The kicker came when it was discovered that Gaming Resorts failed to pay the expenses for the hotel, the venue, and the production equipment, resulting in equipment being confiscated by police along with the players' passports (since they were now on the hook for food and lodging). This left many players not only unable to attend another tournament in UsefulNotes/{{Dubai}} scheduled for later that week, but stranded until Gaming.rs stepped in to negotiate.
** As for the tournament went on, the questions among players wondering if there was ''any'' prize money left became more pronounced until Sasa Bulic confirmed a resounding "no", announcing that in order to deal with their failed payoffs, teams had to wait an additional 90 days to receive any of their tournament winnings, which the teams begrudgingly agreed to. Once the tournament concluded, however, [[CreatorKiller Gaming Resorts filed for bankruptcy]] and Bulic disappeared, and to date, [[https://www.hltv.org/news/16639/gaming-paradise-to-not-pay-prizepool no teams have received any of their prize money.]]
* The UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity's premiere tournament, Evolution Championship Series/EVO, didn't become ''the'' fighting game tournament without troubles along the way. Just about every Evo since it was known as the B series has had difficulties, ranging from lacking equipment, power outages, and sheer dumb luck. No matter the odds, the team behind Evo always pulled through. However, the one event that barely made it completion was Evo Japan 2019.
** Evo Japan 2018 went off without a hitch (the only complaints being the venue being somewhat cramped and hot contrasted against an abnormally cold Tokyo winter). After the dust settled, it was revealed that [[https://kotaku.com/the-first-evo-japan-lost-over-a-million-dollars-1826098067 went over a million dollars in the hole.]] Many questioned if Evo Japan would return for 2019, but sure enough later that year Evo Japan 2019 was announced.
** The first sign of trouble was the confirmation that the location would change from Tokyo to Fukuoka. Logic being venues would be cheaper there and the close proximity to Korea and other South East Asian countries would increase international participation, but what Evo didn't expect was a major Music/{{BTS}} show happening at the same venue in Fukuoka right before Evo Japan. This meant that lodging was difficult to find.
** The second issue was the extremely long time for any announcements for Evo Japan 2019. Usually the official games for any Evo are announced a good 6-7 months in advance so competitors will know what games to practice and for developers to finalize any patches before the event. The final game lineup wasn't announced until December 2018, nearly ''two months'' away from Evo Japan's start date. The roster was expected but solid (VideoGame/StreetFighterV, VideoGame/{{Tekken}} 7, VideoGame/SoulCaliburVI, VideoGame/GuiltyGear Rev 2, VideoGame/BlazBlueCrossTagBattle, and VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters XIV), yet there were two notable exceptions. VideoGame/DragonBallFighterZ [[note]]not unusual as Shueisha was blocking tournaments in America from having Dragon Ball Fighter Z at other events[[/note]] and VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate [[note]]no reason was given but its December 2018 release might have been too close to Evo Japan's start date[[/note]] were not at Evo Japan 2019 as official games. With such a long time for the official lineup to be announced attendance figures for all games were considerably lower than Evo Japan 2018's.
** When the event started, there several issues that would persist the whole weekend. The venue (Fukuoka Convention Center) was far out of Fukuoka's city center and transportation was limited to just buses, meaning competitors were frequently late. And the venue was just too small for an event like Evo. The tournament was cramped, it was hard to move around the venue, and it got hot very quickly. Evo also encouraged competitors to stay up to date with the brackets by using the free wifi provided, but it was spotty.
** The tournament structure was also criticized. Normally large fighting game tournaments are ran with a pool system, as in there are smaller, 16 person brackets and the top two/three from any given pool moves up to a larger bracket. Evo Japan 2019 was ran like a giant double elimination bracket. Some competitors noted having to wait up to ''two hours'' just to play their loser's round match and many simply disqualified themselves instead of waiting.
** Probably the thing Evo Japan [[Main/OvershadowedByControversy became the most known for]] (maybe other than Arslan Ash's Tekken run, more on that below) was the infamous [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/core-values "Core Values"]] incident. A ''VideoGame/DeadOrAlive 6'' exhibition got a little too steamy for Evo, and they pulled the plug on the exhibition. Evo founder Mr. Wizard stated in a now deleted tweet that the [=DOA6=] stream "didn't represent Evo's core values." Unfortunately, this ended up blowing up in Mr. Wizard's face as it went [[Main/MemeticMutation viral instantly.]] Mr. Wizard and the other staff behind Evo kept a low profile in the aftermath of the exhibition, not even showing up on the main stage for finals day.
** Arslan Ash's Tekken 7 win needs to be noted, as it wasn't [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyjtjrT9bJI an easy one.]] Multiple flight delays and visa issues blocked his path, and by time he got to Japan he had difficulties exchanging money. As soon as Ash got to Fukuoka he had to play cold, [[Main/{{Determinator}} but he persevered]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and put himself and Pakistan on the map for Tekken.]]
** Overall, Evo Japan 2019 was regarded as a hot mess by all who attended. Once again, Evo Japan's future was put into doubt, but sure enough Evo Japan 2020 was announced at that year's Evo in America. By all accounts, the Evo team learned their lessons and Evo Japan 2020 went MUCH smoother than 2019.


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* Gaming Paradise 2015, a ''VideoGame/CounterStrike'' and ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}'' e-Sports event in UsefulNotes/{{Slovenia}}, wound up degenerating into a disaster, as detailed in these articles from ''[[http://steamed.kotaku.com/pro-counter-strike-and-dota-2-event-turns-into-complete-1729355937 Kotaku]]'' and [[http://www.hltv.org/news/15891-gaming-paradise-in-shambles HLTV]].
** The first problem was that the person who was supposed to deliver the tournament [=PCs=] didn't show up, and when the organizers finally got some working computers, it was found that they were missing graphics cards. Because of this, the tournament's Sunday kick-off had to be pushed back ten hours.
** The hotel accommodations were so substandard that some players had to sleep on the floor.
** The broadcasts were plagued by technical issues. Some of the computers they dug up ran better than others, to the point where players' performance on the lesser computers was affected. The problems got so severe that the ''Dota 2'' portion of the tournament had to be canceled entirely, leaving the teams that showed up for it with nothing to show for the trip they made to Slovenia.
** Three members of one ''Counter-Strike'' team fell ill.
** The kicker came when it was discovered that the organizers of Gaming Paradise failed to pay the expenses for the hotel, the venue, and the production equipment, resulting in equipment being confiscated along with the players' passports (since they were now on the hook for food and lodging). This left many players unable to attend another tournament in UsefulNotes/{{Dubai}} scheduled for later that week. All the while, the tournament went on, with some players wondering if there was ''any'' prize money left.



* The UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity's premiere tournament, Evolution Championship Series/EVO, didn't become ''the'' fighting game tournament without troubles along the way. Just about every Evo since it was known as the B series has had difficulties, ranging from lacking equipment, power outages, and sheer dumb luck. No matter the odds, the team behind Evo always pulled through. However, the one event that barely made it completion was Evo Japan 2019.
** Evo Japan 2018 went off without a hitch (the only complaints being the venue being somewhat cramped and hot contrasted against an abnormally cold Tokyo winter). After the dust settled, it was revealed that [[https://kotaku.com/the-first-evo-japan-lost-over-a-million-dollars-1826098067 went over a million dollars in the hole.]] Many questioned if Evo Japan would return for 2019, but sure enough later that year Evo Japan 2019 was announced.
** The first sign of trouble was the confirmation that the location would change from Tokyo to Fukuoka. Logic being venues would be cheaper there and the close proximity to Korea and other South East Asian countries would increase international participation, but what Evo didn't expect was a major Music/{{BTS}} show happening at the same venue in Fukuoka right before Evo Japan. This meant that lodging was difficult to find.
** The second issue was the extremely long time for any announcements for Evo Japan 2019. Usually the official games for any Evo are announced a good 6-7 months in advance so competitors will know what games to practice and for developers to finalize any patches before the event. The final game lineup wasn't announced until December 2018, nearly ''two months'' away from Evo Japan's start date. The roster was expected but solid (VideoGame/StreetFighterV, VideoGame/{{Tekken}} 7, VideoGame/SoulCaliburVI, VideoGame/GuiltyGear Rev 2, VideoGame/BlazBlueCrossTagBattle, and VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters XIV), yet there were two notable exceptions. VideoGame/DragonBallFighterZ [[note]]not unusual as Shueisha was blocking tournaments in America from having Dragon Ball Fighter Z at other events[[/note]] and VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate [[note]]no reason was given but its December 2018 release might have been too close to Evo Japan's start date[[/note]] were not at Evo Japan 2019 as official games. With such a long time for the official lineup to be announced attendance figures for all games were considerably lower than Evo Japan 2018's.
** When the event started, there several issues that would persist the whole weekend. The venue (Fukuoka Convention Center) was far out of Fukuoka's city center and transportation was limited to just buses, meaning competitors were frequently late. And the venue was just too small for an event like Evo. The tournament was cramped, it was hard to move around the venue, and it got hot very quickly. Evo also encouraged competitors to stay up to date with the brackets by using the free wifi provided, but it was spotty.
** The tournament structure was also criticized. Normally large fighting game tournaments are ran with a pool system, as in there are smaller, 16 person brackets and the top two/three from any given pool moves up to a larger bracket. Evo Japan 2019 was ran like a giant double elimination bracket. Some competitors noted having to wait up to ''two hours'' just to play their loser's round match and many simply disqualified themselves instead of waiting.
** Probably the thing Evo Japan [[Main/OvershadowedByControversy became the most known for]] (maybe other than Arslan Ash's Tekken run, more on that below) was the infamous [[https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/core-values "Core Values"]] incident. A ''VideoGame/DeadOrAlive 6'' exhibition got a little too steamy for Evo, and they pulled the plug on the exhibition. Evo founder Mr. Wizard stated in a now deleted tweet that the [=DOA6=] stream "didn't represent Evo's core values." Unfortunately, this ended up blowing up in Mr. Wizard's face as it went [[Main/MemeticMutation viral instantly.]] Mr. Wizard and the other staff behind Evo kept a low profile in the aftermath of the exhibition, not even showing up on the main stage for finals day.
** Arslan Ash's Tekken 7 win needs to be noted, as it wasn't [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyjtjrT9bJI an easy one.]] Multiple flight delays and visa issues blocked his path, and by time he got to Japan he had difficulties exchanging money. As soon as Ash got to Fukuoka he had to play cold, [[Main/{{Determinator}} but he persevered]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome and put himself and Pakistan on the map for Tekken.]]
** Overall, Evo Japan 2019 was regarded as a hot mess by all who attended. Once again, Evo Japan's future was put into doubt, but sure enough Evo Japan 2020 was announced at that year's Evo in America. By all accounts, the Evo team learned their lessons and Evo Japan 2020 went MUCH smoother than 2019.
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** The party did not even bother to write a platform. First, they simply recycled their 2016 platform (complete with statements, originally targeted at Barack Obama, attacking the policies of "the present administration"). Ultimately, they simply adopted a statement of support for whatever policies Trump decided to follow.

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** The mall finally met completion in the last quarter of 2019 and began a phased opening, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands#Completion,_opening,_and_pandemic_closure_(2019%E2%80%93present) only for the March 2020 restaurant and shop debuts to be postponed]] by the [[UsefulNotes/CoronavirusDisease2019Pandemic COVID-19 pandemic hitting the region that month]], which also shut the rest of the operation down. While the upscale stores are still set for a September 2020 opening, the pandemic's devastating effect on retail has already led to the loss of Forever 21 and Lord & Taylor as tenants, and the entertainment venues will likely have to wait until a vaccine and/or treatment for the disease is available to the general population before reopening.

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** The mall finally met completion in the last quarter of 2019 and began a phased opening, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands#Completion,_opening,_and_pandemic_closure_(2019%E2%80%93present) only for the March 2020 restaurant and shop debuts to be postponed]] by the [[UsefulNotes/CoronavirusDisease2019Pandemic COVID-19 pandemic hitting the region that month]], which also shut the rest of the operation down. While the upscale stores are still set for a September 2020 opening, down and (due to the pandemic's devastating effect on retail has already retail) led to the loss of Forever 21 and Lord & Taylor as tenants, tenants. On September 3, 2020, it was announced that the mall would finally receive its full proper opening, retail and the entertainment venues included, as well as the reopening of Nickelodeon Universe, on October 1 -- although considering [[UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic all that has happened since March 2020]], it will most likely have to wait until be a vaccine and/or treatment for the disease is available to the general population very long time before reopening. American Dream Meadowlands can really make money as few people will want to go out to it before a vaccine, etc. is developed.



** On September 3, 2020, it was announced that the mall would finally receive its full proper opening, retail and entertainment included, as well as the reopening of Nickelodeon Universe, on October 1, 2020, although considering [[UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic all that has happened since March 2020]], it will most likely be a very long time before American Dream Meadowlands can really make money, considering how it's unlikely that a whole lot of people will want to go out to it at this point in time.
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The auto dealership that sits on the former Raceland Mall site also sells Nissans.


* Raceland Mall, a small community mall in Louisville, Kentucky, went through this as well. Originally planned for a 1970 opening, it was held up for many years following an attempt to sell the then-unfinished mall to another developer, after which the original developer went into receivership with the mall 95% finished. Raceland Mall finally opened in 1975, by which point anchor store W. T. Grant had already been open for two years. However, Grant's went out of business that same year, and their store was sold to Britt's, only for ''them'' to go out of business in 1979. By this point, only 19 out of 33 spaces in the mall had been filled, with much of the blame being placed on the slow start and inability to secure an anchor store, along with poor store selection and highway access. Ownership changed multiple times, with one owner attempting to sue the previous one for a mortgage. The former Britt's became local department store Consolidated Sales in 1980, only for ''them'' to go out of business as well in 1985. Their replacement, and the mall's fourth anchor store in less than a decade, was a Pace warehouse club store; however, unlike its predecessors, Pace did not retain an entrance to the mall itself. By 1990, the mall was entirely closed except for Pace and a supermarket. Yet another batch of new owners renamed the mall to Creekside Pavilion and promised redevelopment plans, which fell through when the supermarket and Pace both closed. After being put up for sale for the ''tenth'' time, the entire mall structure was converted to a Ford dealership in 1996.

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* Raceland Mall, a small community mall in Louisville, Kentucky, went through this as well. Originally planned for a 1970 opening, it was held up for many years following an attempt to sell the then-unfinished mall to another developer, after which the original developer went into receivership with the mall 95% finished. Raceland Mall finally opened in 1975, by which point anchor store W. T. Grant had already been open for two years. However, Grant's went out of business that same year, and their store was sold to Britt's, only for ''them'' to go out of business in 1979. By this point, only 19 out of 33 spaces in the mall had been filled, with much of the blame being placed on the slow start and inability to secure an anchor store, along with poor store selection and highway access. Ownership changed multiple times, with one owner attempting to sue the previous one for a mortgage. The former Britt's became local department store Consolidated Sales in 1980, only for ''them'' to go out of business as well in 1985. Their replacement, and the mall's fourth anchor store in less than a decade, was a Pace warehouse club store; however, unlike its predecessors, Pace did not retain an entrance to the mall itself. By 1990, the mall was entirely closed except for Pace and a supermarket. Yet another batch of new owners renamed the mall to Creekside Pavilion and promised redevelopment plans, which fell through when the supermarket and Pace both closed. After being put up for sale for the ''tenth'' time, the entire mall structure was converted to a Ford an auto dealership in 1996.1996, which has sold Fords, Lincolns, and Nissans to this day (late 2020).
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* ''Unwilling Service'', a ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon}}'' fanfic series currently spanning three simultaneous fics, barely managed to see four chapters between 2011-14 before author Economy (formerly [=McKnight=] and then [=SeaRover1986=]) declared it dead. He revived it in May 2016, to take his focus off of another project that wasn't going anywhere, but while he managed to put out a chapter for each of the three fics in quick succession, his beta-writer, Helder Luis Baruffi, encountered one problem after another, especially in light of a burglary in October that year, which required him to move back in with his family and endure a hectic lifestyle. Economy continued to hold out on him until he caved in and revealed how he really felt about the story. Things didn't fare much better when the author took to Upwork, and the resulting frustration led to increasing animosity between him and Helder, whom he had also been friends with for over a decade; most people who proposed to take it up either failed to understand what he expected of them (even after getting Helder to summarize what he did before), went silent, had to back out, or lost interest by the time he got back to them after putting them on hold in favor of those before them. This spanned three attempts before he pulled the plug early in last said attempt and even wrote something on his blog that he retracted upon being called out, but which still led their friendship into a bitter multi-month decline. Even the two and only freelancers who actually did follow through with a chapter or so eventually stopped responding to his messages, leading him to Freelancer instead when he posted the project one last time on Upwork, contacted multiple other Freelancers recommended to him, and had the project taken down for content violations. At this point, Economy has already decided just to commission outright for an initial draft of the whole story instead, should he ever decide to come back to the project itself. (And that wasn't a decision he made lightly; originally, he planned for the project to be some kind of personal game for himself, especially regarding his plans for the Pal Park and both of the Battle Frontiers, having once loved the actual games but since realizing one thing after another about them that rubbed him the wrong way.)
** [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Jamie]] (now [[Anime/TheLegendOfThunder Jimmy]]) having muscles sparked a major dispute towards the end of 2012. Economy asked Helder at least three times not to buff him up, which he ignored as he proceeded just to do things his way and then tell him to redo the relevant scenes himself. He did redo some of them after being called out for his disobedience, but not before justifying himself first and arguing with him, and even then, there were still some things left that only muscles could explain (which he only managed to get rid of years later by having someone else do the whole chapter over). Eventually, this was one of the few things he cited when asked multiple times to cite what he came to hate about the story itself.
** There is also the issue of the [=PokeWalker=], one of Economy's favorite aspects of a pair of games that Helder very outright ''hates'' to this day.
** As for the two authors' relationship, it's been dead in the water since February 2018. While Helder's bailout marked the beginning of the end between them, actual tensions began when Economy stated a refusal to help him with any of ''his'' fanfiction until he deliver a make-up assignment of some sort. It was not long after that Economy got some answers out of Helder regarding what he actually hated about the story, but even when he offered concessions on two such aspects, things went nowhere from there in terms of winning him back, which led Economy to believe that he just wanted to be catered to and to do whatever he'd damn well please and was now being a poor sport over not having had his way through and through to begin with. Soon thereafter, Economy offered Helder a break from it all, but then impulsively demanded more answers about the situation, going on to tell him on his blog to go fuck himself when he thought he was ignoring him, before he revealed he was actually on a family trip and decided right then and there that that was it. Starting with a botched apology in response, things went on and off for months, and seemed to take a better turn for their friendship itself when Economy offered at least not to talk about his fetishes or [[Anime/LuckyStar a certain show Helder also hates]], before deciding to let more time go by before he'd express his actual issues outside of but related to Helder's departure. Only a month went by as Economy proceeded to elaborate in a [=WordPad=] file meant for much later on, before he broke down and expressed the toll such a thing was taking on his mental health, at which point Helder urged him, more out of guilt and despair than frustration, just to forget about him altogether.

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* ''Unwilling Service'', a ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon}}'' fanfic series currently spanning three simultaneous fics, barely managed to see four chapters between 2011-14 before author Economy (formerly [=McKnight=] and then [=SeaRover1986=]) declared it dead. He revived it in May 2016, to take his focus off of another project that wasn't going anywhere, but while he managed to put out a chapter for each of the three fics in quick succession, his beta-writer, Helder Luis Baruffi, someone referring to himself as Jake, encountered one problem after another, especially in light of a burglary in October that year, which required him to move back in with his family and endure a hectic lifestyle. Economy continued to hold out on him until he caved in and revealed how he really felt about the story. Things didn't fare much better when the author took to Upwork, and the resulting frustration led to increasing animosity between him and Helder, Jake, whom he had also been friends with for over a decade; most people who proposed to take it up either failed to understand what he expected of them (even after getting Helder Jake to summarize what he did before), went silent, had to back out, or lost interest by the time he got back to them after putting them on hold in favor of those before them. This spanned three attempts before he pulled the plug early in last said attempt and even wrote something on his blog that he retracted upon being called out, but which still led their friendship into a bitter multi-month decline. Even the two and only freelancers who actually did follow through with a chapter or so eventually stopped responding to his messages, leading him to Freelancer instead when he posted the project one last time on Upwork, contacted multiple other Freelancers recommended to him, and had the project taken down for content violations. At this point, Economy has already decided just to commission outright for an initial draft of the whole story instead, should he ever decide to come back to the project itself. (And that wasn't a decision he made lightly; originally, he planned for the project to be some kind of personal game for himself, especially regarding his plans for the Pal Park and both of the Battle Frontiers, having once loved the actual games but since realizing one thing after another about them that rubbed him the wrong way.)
** [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Jamie]] (now [[Anime/TheLegendOfThunder Jimmy]]) having muscles sparked a major dispute towards the end of 2012. Economy asked Helder Jake at least three times not to buff him up, which he ignored as he proceeded just to do things his way and then tell him to redo the relevant scenes himself. He did redo some of them after being called out for his disobedience, but not before justifying himself first and arguing with him, and even then, there were still some things left that only muscles could explain (which he only managed to get rid of years later by having someone else do the whole chapter over). Eventually, this was one of the few things he cited when asked multiple times to cite what he came to hate about the story itself.
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** There is also the issue of the [=PokeWalker=], one of Economy's favorite aspects of a pair of games that Helder Jake very outright ''hates'' to this day.
** As for the two authors' relationship, it's been dead in the water since February 2018. While Helder's Jake's bailout marked the beginning of the end between them, actual tensions began when Economy stated a refusal to help him with any of ''his'' fanfiction until he deliver a make-up assignment of some sort. It was not long after that Economy got some answers out of Helder Jake regarding what he actually hated about the story, but even when he offered concessions on two such aspects, things went nowhere from there in terms of winning him back, which led Economy to believe that he just wanted to be catered to and to do whatever he'd damn well please and was now being a poor sport over not having had his way through and through to begin with. Soon thereafter, Economy offered Helder Jake a break from it all, but then impulsively demanded more answers about the situation, going on to tell him on his blog to go fuck himself when he thought he was ignoring him, before he revealed he was actually on a family trip and decided right then and there that that was it. Starting with a botched apology in response, things went on and off for months, and seemed to take a better turn for their friendship itself when Economy offered at least not to talk about his fetishes or [[Anime/LuckyStar a certain show Helder Jake also hates]], before deciding to let more time go by before he'd express his actual issues outside of but related to Helder's Jake's departure. Only a month went by as Economy proceeded to elaborate in a [=WordPad=] file meant for much later on, before he broke down and expressed the toll such a thing was taking on his mental health, at which point Helder Jake urged him, more out of guilt and despair than frustration, just to forget about him altogether. altogether.
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* ''Unwilling Service'', a ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon}}'' fanfic series currently spanning three simultaneous fics, barely managed to see four chapters between 2011-14 before author Economy (formerly [=McKnight=] and then [=SeaRover1986=]) declared it dead. He revived it in May 2016, to take his focus off of another project that wasn't going anywhere, but while he managed to put out a chapter for each of the three fics in quick succession, his beta-writer, someone referring to himself as Jake, encountered one problem after another, especially in light of a burglary in October that year, which required him to move back in with his family and endure a hectic lifestyle. Economy continued to hold out on him until he caved in and revealed how he really felt about the story. Things didn't fare much better when the author took to Upwork, and the resulting frustration led to increasing animosity between him and Jake, whom he had also been friends with for over a decade; most people who proposed to take it up either failed to understand what he expected of them (even after getting Jake to summarize what he did before), went silent, had to back out, or lost interest by the time he got back to them after putting them on hold in favor of those before them. This spanned three attempts before he pulled the plug early in last said attempt and even wrote something on his blog that he retracted upon being called out, but which still led their friendship into a bitter multi-month decline. Even the two and only freelancers who actually did follow through with a chapter or so eventually stopped responding to his messages, leading him to Freelancer instead when he posted the project one last time on Upwork, contacted multiple other Freelancers recommended to him, and had the project taken down for content violations. At this point, Economy has already decided just to commission outright for an initial draft of the whole story instead, should he ever decide to come back to the project itself. (And that wasn't a decision he made lightly; originally, he planned for the project to be some kind of personal game for himself, especially regarding his plans for the Pal Park and both of the Battle Frontiers, having once loved the actual games but since realizing one thing after another about them that rubbed him the wrong way.)
** [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Jamie]] (now [[Anime/TheLegendOfThunder Jimmy]]) having muscles sparked a major dispute towards the end of 2012. Economy asked Jake at least three times not to buff him up, which he ignored as he proceeded just to do things his way and then tell him to redo the relevant scenes himself. He did redo some of them after being called out for his disobedience, but not before justifying himself first and arguing with him, and even then, there were still some things left that only muscles could explain (which he only managed to get rid of years later by having someone else do the whole chapter over). Eventually, this was one of the few things he cited when asked multiple times to cite what he came to hate about the story itself.
** There is also the issue of the [=PokeWalker=], one of Economy's favorite aspects of a pair of games that Jake very outright ''hates'' to this day.
** As for the two authors' relationship, it's been dead in the water since February 2018. While Jake's bailout marked the beginning of the end between them, actual tensions began when Economy stated a refusal to help him with any of ''his'' fanfiction until he deliver a make-up assignment of some sort. It was not long after that Economy got some answers out of Jake regarding what he actually hated about the story, but even when he offered concessions on two such aspects, things went nowhere from there in terms of winning him back, which led Economy to believe that he just wanted to be catered to and to do whatever he'd damn well please and was now being a poor sport over not having had his way through and through to begin with. Soon thereafter, Economy offered Jake a break from it all, but then impulsively demanded more answers about the situation, going on to tell him on his blog to go fuck himself when he thought he was ignoring him, before he revealed he was actually on a family trip and decided right then and there that that was it. Starting with a botched apology in response, things went on and off for months, and seemed to take a better turn for their friendship itself when Economy offered at least not to talk about his fetishes or [[Anime/LuckyStar a certain show Jake also hates]], before deciding to let more time go by before he'd express his actual issues outside of but related to Jake's departure. Only a month went by as Economy proceeded to elaborate in a [=WordPad=] file meant for much later on, before he broke down and expressed the toll such a thing was taking on his mental health, at which point Jake urged him, more out of guilt and despair than frustration, just to forget about him altogether.

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* ''Unwilling Service'', a ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon}}'' fanfic series currently spanning three simultaneous fics, barely managed to see four chapters between 2011-14 before author Economy (formerly [=McKnight=] and then [=SeaRover1986=]) declared it dead. He revived it in May 2016, to take his focus off of another project that wasn't going anywhere, but while he managed to put out a chapter for each of the three fics in quick succession, his beta-writer, someone referring to himself as Jake, Helder Luis Baruffi, encountered one problem after another, especially in light of a burglary in October that year, which required him to move back in with his family and endure a hectic lifestyle. Economy continued to hold out on him until he caved in and revealed how he really felt about the story. Things didn't fare much better when the author took to Upwork, and the resulting frustration led to increasing animosity between him and Jake, Helder, whom he had also been friends with for over a decade; most people who proposed to take it up either failed to understand what he expected of them (even after getting Jake Helder to summarize what he did before), went silent, had to back out, or lost interest by the time he got back to them after putting them on hold in favor of those before them. This spanned three attempts before he pulled the plug early in last said attempt and even wrote something on his blog that he retracted upon being called out, but which still led their friendship into a bitter multi-month decline. Even the two and only freelancers who actually did follow through with a chapter or so eventually stopped responding to his messages, leading him to Freelancer instead when he posted the project one last time on Upwork, contacted multiple other Freelancers recommended to him, and had the project taken down for content violations. At this point, Economy has already decided just to commission outright for an initial draft of the whole story instead, should he ever decide to come back to the project itself. (And that wasn't a decision he made lightly; originally, he planned for the project to be some kind of personal game for himself, especially regarding his plans for the Pal Park and both of the Battle Frontiers, having once loved the actual games but since realizing one thing after another about them that rubbed him the wrong way.)
** [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Jamie]] (now [[Anime/TheLegendOfThunder Jimmy]]) having muscles sparked a major dispute towards the end of 2012. Economy asked Jake Helder at least three times not to buff him up, which he ignored as he proceeded just to do things his way and then tell him to redo the relevant scenes himself. He did redo some of them after being called out for his disobedience, but not before justifying himself first and arguing with him, and even then, there were still some things left that only muscles could explain (which he only managed to get rid of years later by having someone else do the whole chapter over). Eventually, this was one of the few things he cited when asked multiple times to cite what he came to hate about the story itself.
** There is also the issue of the [=PokeWalker=], one of Economy's favorite aspects of a pair of games that Jake Helder very outright ''hates'' to this day.
** As for the two authors' relationship, it's been dead in the water since February 2018. While Jake's Helder's bailout marked the beginning of the end between them, actual tensions began when Economy stated a refusal to help him with any of ''his'' fanfiction until he deliver a make-up assignment of some sort. It was not long after that Economy got some answers out of Jake Helder regarding what he actually hated about the story, but even when he offered concessions on two such aspects, things went nowhere from there in terms of winning him back, which led Economy to believe that he just wanted to be catered to and to do whatever he'd damn well please and was now being a poor sport over not having had his way through and through to begin with. Soon thereafter, Economy offered Jake Helder a break from it all, but then impulsively demanded more answers about the situation, going on to tell him on his blog to go fuck himself when he thought he was ignoring him, before he revealed he was actually on a family trip and decided right then and there that that was it. Starting with a botched apology in response, things went on and off for months, and seemed to take a better turn for their friendship itself when Economy offered at least not to talk about his fetishes or [[Anime/LuckyStar a certain show Jake Helder also hates]], before deciding to let more time go by before he'd express his actual issues outside of but related to Jake's Helder's departure. Only a month went by as Economy proceeded to elaborate in a [=WordPad=] file meant for much later on, before he broke down and expressed the toll such a thing was taking on his mental health, at which point Jake Helder urged him, more out of guilt and despair than frustration, just to forget about him altogether.
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** NASA's publicity stunt of recruiting Christa [=McAuliffe=], a public school teacher who would have been the first private citizen to travel in space, created much incentive for NASA to ensure that upcoming mission proceed with as few issues as possible, which would later be determined to have caused the space agency to downplay or ignore major warnings about the faulty O-rings in ''Challenger'' 's solid rocket boosters.



** On January 27th, engineers for Thiokol, the company who made the O-rings that would contribute to the shuttle's destruction, realized that the launch date would be unsuitable as the O-rings were not rated for a launch temperature so low (they were rated at 40 degrees F, while launch day would only have it at 30) and desperately called NASA for a conference call to beg the group to delay the launch until it got warmer. NASA refused, most likely due to Thiokol's hastily-made presentation. Thiokol tried again, but only with the management of the two groups. Amazingly, Thiokol management gave the thumbs up for it, with one shocked engineer admitting to his wife that ''Challenger'' would be destroyed.

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** On January 27th, engineers for Thiokol, Morton-Thiokol, the company who made the O-rings that would contribute to the shuttle's destruction, O-rings, realized that the launch date would be unsuitable as the O-rings were not rated for a launch temperature so low (they were rated at 40 degrees F, while launch day would only have it at 30) and desperately called NASA for a conference call to beg the group to delay the launch until it got warmer. NASA refused, most likely due to Thiokol's hastily-made presentation. Thiokol refused. Morton-Thiokol tried again, but only with the management of the two groups. Kennedy and Marshall Space Centers. They were again refused. Amazingly, Thiokol Morton-Thiokol management then gave the thumbs up for it, the launch to proceed, with one shocked engineer admitting to his wife that ''Challenger'' would be destroyed.



** Everything went swell until, over a minute after launch, everything fell apart, hot gases escaped from a hole created from the damaged O-rings as well as sudden wind sheer, causing a series of cascading failures that lead to the shuttle's sad destruction on live television.
** Various investigations were launched as to what happened to cause ''Challenger'' to fail. Ultimately, blame was to placed at NASA and Thiokol's feet for their blatant disregard to the warnings laid out by many. On a lesser note, these investigations also said ''Challenger'' disintegrated; it did not explode, though many media outlets continue taking a layman's perspective instead of doing actual research.

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** Various investigations were launched as to what happened to cause ''Challenger'' to fail. Ultimately, blame was to placed at NASA and Thiokol's Morton-Thiokol's feet for their blatant disregard to the warnings laid out by many. On a lesser note, these investigations also said ''Challenger'' disintegrated; it did not explode, though many media outlets continue taking a layman's perspective instead of doing actual research.
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** Almost immediately, things went FromBadToWorse. Once ''Soyuz 1'' reached orbit, its solar panel failed and Komarov's systems went with it. Then the orientation detectors froze, further crippling the craft. Then the automatic stabilization system died with the manual system only partly working. After thirteen orbits around Earth, the mission was aborted and Komarov was ordered back home.

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** Almost immediately, things went FromBadToWorse. Once ''Soyuz 1'' reached orbit, its solar panel failed and Komarov's systems went with it. Then the orientation detectors froze, further crippling the craft. Then the automatic stabilization system died with the manual system only partly working. To make matters worse, the launch of a second spacecraft that was to dock with ''Soyuz 1'' was postponed indefinitely due to inclement weather at the cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. After thirteen orbits around Earth, the mission was aborted and Komarov was ordered back home.
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* Windows 8 obviously wasn't anywhere ''near'' as troubled as Vista, considering that it only took half as long to release, but it had its problems. And this time, the problems weren't the result of feature creep or over-ambitious developers, but rather corporate politics:
** For the first year or so of development, things went reasonably smoothly, with the development team continuing their approach from Windows 7 of trimming and optimizing the OS's kernel and core components. During this stage, Microsoft CEO Steve Balmer, along with Steven Sinofsky, who took over as director of the Windows division shortly before the release of 7, decided on a "grand unifying version" of Windows that would serve both [=x86=] computers and the increasingly ubiquitous ARM-based portable devices. A good idea on paper, seeing how Apple derived [=MacOS=] and [=iOS=] from the same codebase, albeit Windows had a lot more legacy baggage than Apple's two [=OSes=] did.
** Sinofsky believed that touchscreen interfaces were the way of the future, and ordered the OS's entire user interface re-architected around such an interface, with the classic desktop only kept around for compatibility purposes. The design team warned him to be wary with this approach, as they had spent a lot of effort optimizing Windows 7 for netbooks, a product category that became extinct virtually overnight once the [=iPad=] arrived on the scene, but he stuck to his guns.
** As development wore on, several members of the Windows team became increasingly concerned that they were developing something that people wouldn't want to use on a day-to-day basis. They tried to appeal to Sinofsky to keep Windows 7's user interface for desktop users and keep the new UI for tablet and touchscreen users, but he bluntly refused, claiming that much like how the Ribbon interface had been contentious when it was introduced in Office 2007, people would initially complain, but see that the new UI was better. It even got to the point where the Xbox team were ordered to use the Metro interface for the UsefulNotes/Xbox360.
** Some of the developers tried appealing directly to Ballmer, but he admired Sinofsky's vision and take-no-prisoners attitude, and warned said developers that the next person who went over Sinofsky's head would be out of a job.
** The release of a public beta on February 29, 2012 revealed the biggest change in Windows 8's design; the complete absence of the Start Button (and Menu) for the first time since it was introduced in Windows 95, with the classic desktop being firmly relegated to being a cut-down secondary UI. Reaction to this change among users and developers was almost wholly negative, but both Ballmer and Sinofsky publicly described the Start Button and classic desktop as being yesterday's news, giving the impression that Microsoft were arrogant and disdainful towards their users.
** Its final release later in 2012 gained an even ''more'' negative reaction than Vista had, leading to Sinofsky departing the company before the year was out. Ballmer hung in there for a bit longer, before being forced to announce a timetable for his retirement midway through the following year, due to a combination of poor uptake for Windows 8, a series of acquisitions having under-performed financially, and a bad reaction to the reveal of the UsefulNotes/XboxOne.
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** Expecting 5,000 people for her first convention, at a hotel whose ballrooms were capped at 1,150, organizers planned to rotate the crowd in and out of the building. On the first morning, however, an alleged ''20,000'' showed up[[note]]Many Twitter users, including Tana herself, would repeat this number, though initial investigation and later confirmed estimates prove that the actual attendance was only a fraction of that, though still grossly overcrowded at 4000 to 5000 attendees.[[/note]] Many had hoped to purchase tickets at the gate and stood in long lines outside in the heat for hours without getting in. Photographs of their sunburn became the defining social media image of [=TanaCon=], joining the sandwiches from the Fyre Festival and the ballpit at [=DashCon=]. Those who finally made it to where they could pay the $65+ admission found that their heavily-anticipated gift bag had only a condom and some stickers. The former were frequently blown up for use as beachballs by the crowd. Many were given VIP passes, but only because that was the only ticket available.

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** Expecting 5,000 people for her first convention, at a hotel whose ballrooms were capped at 1,150, organizers planned to rotate the crowd in and out of the building. On the first morning, however, an alleged ''20,000'' showed up[[note]]Many up.[[note]]Many Twitter users, including Tana herself, would repeat this number, though initial investigation and later confirmed estimates prove that the actual attendance was only a fraction of that, though still grossly overcrowded at 4000 to 5000 attendees.[[/note]] Many had hoped to purchase tickets at the gate and stood in long lines outside in the heat for hours without getting in. Photographs of their sunburn became the defining social media image of [=TanaCon=], joining the sandwiches from the Fyre Festival and the ballpit at [=DashCon=]. Those who finally made it to where they could pay the $65+ admission found that their heavily-anticipated gift bag had only a condom and some stickers. The former were frequently blown up for use as beachballs by the crowd. Many were given VIP passes, but only because that was the only ticket available.
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* Botcon 1996 is infamous in the ''{{Franchise/Transformers}}'' fandom for being completely mismanaged by convention organizers Men In Black Productions (who for no apparent reason, themed the entire convention around ''Film/PulpFiction''). Tfwiki has a write up of everything that went wrong [[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/BotCon_1996 here]] and MIB Productions obviously weren't brought back for any future Botcons—though this didn't stop them from trying to [[StartMyOwn form their own unofficial Transformer fan conventions]] in '97 and '98, both of which went just as ineptly as their Botcon had.

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* Botcon 1996 is infamous in the ''{{Franchise/Transformers}}'' fandom for being completely mismanaged by convention organizers Men In Black Productions (who for no apparent reason, themed the entire convention around ''Film/PulpFiction''). Tfwiki has a write up of everything that went wrong [[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/BotCon_1996 here]] and MIB Productions obviously weren't brought back for any future Botcons—though this didn't stop them from trying to [[StartMyOwn form their own unofficial Transformer fan conventions]] in '97 and '98, [[HistoryRepeats both of which went just as ineptly as their Botcon had.]]
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** On September 3, 2020, it was announced that the mall would finally receive its full proper opening, retail and entertainment included, as well as the reopening of Nickelodeon Universe, on October 1, 2020, although considering all that has happened since March 2020, it will most likely be a very long time before American Dream Meadowlands can really make money, considering how it's unlikely that a whole lot of people will want to go out to it at this point in time.

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** On September 3, 2020, it was announced that the mall would finally receive its full proper opening, retail and entertainment included, as well as the reopening of Nickelodeon Universe, on October 1, 2020, although considering [[UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic all that has happened since March 2020, 2020]], it will most likely be a very long time before American Dream Meadowlands can really make money, considering how it's unlikely that a whole lot of people will want to go out to it at this point in time.
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** On September 3, 2020, it was announced that the mall would finally receive its full proper opening, retail and entertainment included, as well as the reopening of Nickelodeon Universe, on October 1, 2020, although considering all that has happened since March 2020, it will most likely be a very long time before American Dream Meadowlands can really make money, considering how it's unlikely that a whole lot of people will want to go out to it at this point in time.
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** The planning stages had many ill omens from the get-go. In a heavily misguided bid for inclusiveness, many rules of conduct were waived or heavily loosened, and the decision to not forbid anyone who wanted to attend from doing so (even if they had been banned from other cons) was a huge red flag; the decision to not have any sort of formal appropriate conduct rule for fear of alienating socially awkward individuals who unintentionally made some gaffes was decried by a member of the planning board, who pointed out that anyone who would be offended by such a rule was more likely than not the kind of person who they ''wouldn't'' want to show up, but their protests fell on deaf ears.

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** The planning stages had many ill omens from the get-go. In a heavily misguided bid for inclusiveness, many rules of conduct were waived or heavily loosened, and the decision to not forbid anyone who wanted to attend from doing so (even if they had been banned from other cons) was a huge red flag; the decision to not have any sort of formal appropriate conduct rule update the harassment policy for fear of alienating socially awkward individuals who unintentionally made some gaffes was decried by a member of the planning board, who pointed out that anyone who would be offended by such a rule was more likely than not the kind of person who they ''wouldn't'' want to show up, but their protests fell on deaf ears.
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** Public intoxication was absolutely out of control, with numerous drunk and/or high attendees walking around in public areas. Gross public indecency was also a major issue, as attendees in fetish gear also freely wandered around public areas and were not reigned in, including numerous diaperfurs who wore (often full) adult diapers around the general public.

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** Public intoxication was absolutely out of control, with numerous drunk and/or high attendees walking around in public areas. Gross public indecency was also a major issue, as attendees in fetish gear also freely wandered around public areas and were not reigned reined in, including numerous diaperfurs who wore (often full) adult diapers around the general public.

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** The planning stages had many ill omens from the get-go. In a heavily misguided bid for inclusiveness, many rules of conduct were waived or heavily loosened, and the decision to not forbid anyone who wanted to attend from doing so (even if they had been banned from other cons) was a huge red flag; the decision to not have any sort of formal appropriate conduct rule for fear of alienating socially awkward individuals who unintentionally made some gaffes was decried by a member of the planning board, who pointed out that anyone who would be offended by such a rule was more likely than not the kind of person who they ''wouldn't'' want to show up, but their protests fell on deaf ears.



** Then there was the vandalism. An attendee broke an elevator's inner door cable after trying to force it open. The hot tub shut down after the drain and pump were plugged with towels. Half-eaten food was found in the Hilton gardens and stairwell. A toilet bolt was loosened, causing the next person who flushed it to flood the entire bathroom with two and a half inches of water...directly above the hotel's basement server rooms. Posters advertising the con were stolen or vandalized. The worst was somebody [[TooDumbToLive tampering with a guest room smoke detector]], which almost caused ''the entire con'' to be booted halfway through.

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** Then there was the vandalism. An attendee broke an elevator's inner door cable after trying to force it open. The hot tub shut down after the drain and pump were plugged with towels. Half-eaten food was found in the Hilton gardens and stairwell. A toilet bolt was loosened, causing the next person who flushed it to flood the entire bathroom with two and a half inches of water...directly above the hotel's basement server rooms. Posters advertising the con were stolen or vandalized. [[{{Squick}} Used adult diapers were scattered throughout the parking lot]]. The worst was somebody [[TooDumbToLive tampering with a guest room smoke detector]], detector so they could hotbox the room]], which almost caused ''the entire con'' to be booted halfway through.


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** After considering several cities, the RNC announced that the speaking venues for the convention would be moved to Jacksonville, Florida, while the actual nomination proceedings would remain in Charlotte. However, by this time, COVID cases had spiked to such an alarming degree that it became ''very'' doubtful whether holding an in-person event in Jacksonville was a good idea, no matter what Trump's position on the virus was. Thus, Trump announced that the Jacksonville festivities would be cancelled. (The nomination in Charlotte would proceed as planned, albeit in a scaled-down format as Cooper originally demanded.)

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** After considering several cities, the RNC announced that the speaking venues for the convention would be moved to Jacksonville, Florida, while the actual nomination proceedings would remain in Charlotte. However, by this time, COVID cases had spiked to such an alarming degree that it became ''very'' doubtful whether holding an in-person event in Jacksonville was a good idea, no matter what Trump's position on the virus was. Thus, Trump announced that the Jacksonville festivities would be cancelled. (The nomination in Charlotte would proceed as planned, albeit in a scaled-down format as Cooper originally demanded.)) The months-long hastle over the venues caused the convention to be pushed back from June to late August.


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** Trump reportedly watched the Democratic convention (originally to be held in Milwaukee, but was changed to an all-virtual format due to COVID) held the week before his own, constantly phoning the Republican convention's organizers to [[WagTheDirector demand last-minute changes to the messaging and schedule]].
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** Charlotte, North Carolina, was the only city to put in a bid to host the 2020 convention, but city leaders almost immediately regretted it when President UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump held a rally in neighboring South Carolina in which attendees chanted "send her back", in reference to Rep. Ilhan Omar (who is originally from Somalia). The Charlotte City Council consulted with an attorney on retracting their bid at the last minute, but were told that the Republican National Committee to sue them and win if they tried. The RNC officially selected Charlotte on July 20, 2018.

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** Charlotte, North Carolina, was the only city to put in a bid to host the 2020 convention, but city leaders almost immediately regretted it when President UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump held a rally in neighboring South Carolina in which attendees chanted "send her back", in reference to Rep. Ilhan Omar (who is originally from Somalia). The Charlotte City Council consulted with an attorney on retracting their bid at the last minute, but were told that the Republican National Committee to would sue them and win if they tried. The RNC officially selected Charlotte on July 20, 2018.
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** Charlotte, North Carolina, was the only city to put in a bid to host the 2020 convention, but city leaders almost immediately regretted when President UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump held a rally in neighboring South Carolina in which attendees chanted "send her back", in reference to Rep. Ilhan Omar (who is originally from Somalia). The Charlotte City Council consulted with an attorney on retracting their bid at the last minute, but realized that the Republican National Committee to sue them and win if they tried. The RNC officially selected Charlotte on July 20, 2018.
** Several months before the convention was set to begin in June 2020, the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic hit the nation, necessitating health measures such as bans on massive public gatherings. Governor Roy Cooper stated that the convention would need to be scaled down to proceed safely, but President Trump -- who didn't consider COVID-19 a major crisis and stubbornly refused to treat it as such -- insisted that the convention remain a full-scale event. Negotiations dragged on for months until Trump announced via tweet that the convention would be held elsewhere.

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** Several months before the convention was set to begin in June 2020, the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic hit the nation, necessitating health measures such as bans on massive public gatherings. Governor Roy Cooper stated that the convention would need to be scaled down to proceed safely, but President Trump -- who didn't consider COVID-19 a major crisis and stubbornly refused to treat it as such -- insisted that the convention remain a full-scale event.event, with no masks or social distancing. Negotiations dragged on for months until Trump announced via tweet that the convention would be held elsewhere.



** With the convention now a virtual event, Trump announced that he would remotely give his acceptance speech on the lawn of the White House -- which would not only break a traditional norm against using federal property for partisan political purposes but was also likely a violation of the Hatch Act, which has certain provisions prohibiting that very thing. Even Trump loyalists like Ron Johnson and John Thune questioned the legality of Trump's decision.

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** With the convention now a virtual event held remotely, Trump announced that he would give his acceptance speech on the lawn of the White House -- which would not only break a traditional norm against using federal property for partisan political purposes but was also likely a violation of the Hatch Act, which has certain provisions prohibiting that very thing. Even Trump loyalists like Ron Johnson and John Thune questioned the legality of Trump's decision.

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* The 2020 Republican National Convention. Where... to... ''start'':
** Charlotte, North Carolina, was the only city to put in a bid to host the 2020 convention, but city leaders almost immediately regretted when President UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump held a rally in neighboring South Carolina in which attendees chanted "send her back", in reference to Rep. Ilhan Omar (who is originally from Somalia). The Charlotte City Council consulted with an attorney on retracting their bid at the last minute, but realized that the Republican National Committee to sue them and win if they tried. The RNC officially selected Charlotte on July 20, 2018.
** Several months before the convention was set to begin in June 2020, the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic hit the nation, necessitating health measures such as bans on massive public gatherings. Governor Roy Cooper stated that the convention would need to be scaled down to proceed safely, but President Trump -- who didn't consider COVID-19 a major crisis and stubbornly refused to treat it as such -- insisted that the convention remain a full-scale event. Negotiations dragged on for months until Trump announced via tweet that the convention would be held elsewhere.
** After considering several cities, the RNC announced that the speaking venues for the convention would be moved to Jacksonville, Florida, while the actual nomination proceedings would remain in Charlotte. However, by this time, COVID cases had spiked to such an alarming degree that it became ''very'' doubtful whether holding an in-person event in Jacksonville was a good idea, no matter what Trump's position on the virus was. Thus, Trump announced that the Jacksonville festivities would be cancelled. (The nomination in Charlotte would proceed as planned, albeit in a scaled-down format as Cooper originally demanded.)
** With the convention now a virtual event held remotely, Trump announced that he would give his acceptance speech on the lawn of the White House -- which would not only break a traditional norm against using federal property for partisan political purposes but was also likely a violation of the Hatch Act, which has certain provisions prohibiting that very thing. Even Trump loyalists like Ron Johnson and John Thune questioned the legality of Trump's decision.
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* ''Unwilling Service'', a ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon}}'' fanfic series currently spanning three simultaneous fics, barely managed to see four chapters between 2011-14 before author Economy (formerly [=McKnight=] and then [=SeaRover1986=]) declared it dead. He revived it in May 2016, to take his focus off of another project that wasn't going anywhere, but while he managed to put out a chapter for each of the three fics in quick succession, his beta-writer, someone referring to himself as Jake, encountered one problem after another, especially in light of a burglary in October that year, which required him to move back in with his family and endure a hectic lifestyle. Economy continued to hold out on him until he caved in and revealed how he really felt about the story. Things didn't fare much better when the author took to Upwork, and the resulting frustration led to increasing animosity between him and Jake, whom he had also been friends with for over a decade; most people who proposed to take it up either failed to understand what he expected of them (even after getting Jake to summarize what he did before), went silent, had to back out, or lost interest by the time he got back to them after putting them on hold in favor of those before them. This spanned three attempts before he pulled the plug early in last said attempt and even wrote something on his blog that he retracted upon being called out, but which still led their friendship into a bitter multi-month decline. Even the two and only freelancers who actually did follow through with a chapter or so eventually stopped responding to his messages, leading him to Freelancer instead when he posted the project one last time on Upwork, contacted multiple other Freelancers recommended to him, and had the project taken down for content violations. At this point, Economy has already decided just to commission outright for an initial draft of the whole story instead. (And that wasn't a decision he made lightly; originally, he planned for the project to be some kind of personal game for himself, especially regarding his plans for the Pal Park and both of the Battle Frontiers, having once loved the actual games but since realizing one thing after another about them that rubbed him the wrong way.)

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* ''Unwilling Service'', a ''{{VideoGame/Pokemon}}'' fanfic series currently spanning three simultaneous fics, barely managed to see four chapters between 2011-14 before author Economy (formerly [=McKnight=] and then [=SeaRover1986=]) declared it dead. He revived it in May 2016, to take his focus off of another project that wasn't going anywhere, but while he managed to put out a chapter for each of the three fics in quick succession, his beta-writer, someone referring to himself as Jake, encountered one problem after another, especially in light of a burglary in October that year, which required him to move back in with his family and endure a hectic lifestyle. Economy continued to hold out on him until he caved in and revealed how he really felt about the story. Things didn't fare much better when the author took to Upwork, and the resulting frustration led to increasing animosity between him and Jake, whom he had also been friends with for over a decade; most people who proposed to take it up either failed to understand what he expected of them (even after getting Jake to summarize what he did before), went silent, had to back out, or lost interest by the time he got back to them after putting them on hold in favor of those before them. This spanned three attempts before he pulled the plug early in last said attempt and even wrote something on his blog that he retracted upon being called out, but which still led their friendship into a bitter multi-month decline. Even the two and only freelancers who actually did follow through with a chapter or so eventually stopped responding to his messages, leading him to Freelancer instead when he posted the project one last time on Upwork, contacted multiple other Freelancers recommended to him, and had the project taken down for content violations. At this point, Economy has already decided just to commission outright for an initial draft of the whole story instead.instead, should he ever decide to come back to the project itself. (And that wasn't a decision he made lightly; originally, he planned for the project to be some kind of personal game for himself, especially regarding his plans for the Pal Park and both of the Battle Frontiers, having once loved the actual games but since realizing one thing after another about them that rubbed him the wrong way.)
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** But... it doesn't end there. While trying to get the airline tickets worked out, Renne contacted the Oregon Department of Justice to investigate. The ODOJ found out that most of [=BoE's=] charity activities were frauulent. There was no record of any large donations to the literacy program they were supposedly supporting. They weren't even incorporated, and the money that had been raised at other events had vanished.

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** But... it doesn't end there. While trying to get the airline tickets worked out, Renne contacted the Oregon Department of Justice to investigate. The ODOJ found out that most of [=BoE's=] charity activities were frauulent.fraudulent. There was no record of any large donations to the literacy program they were supposedly supporting. They weren't even incorporated, and the money that had been raised at other events had vanished.
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* The UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity's premiere tournament, Evolution Championship Series, didn't become THE tournament without troubles along the way. Just about every Evo since it was known as the B series has had difficulties, ranging from lacking equipment, power outages, and sheer dumb luck. No matter the odds, the team behind Evo always pulled through. However, the one event that barely made it completion was Evo Japan 2019.

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* The UsefulNotes/FightingGameCommunity's premiere tournament, Evolution Championship Series, Series/EVO, didn't become THE ''the'' fighting game tournament without troubles along the way. Just about every Evo since it was known as the B series has had difficulties, ranging from lacking equipment, power outages, and sheer dumb luck. No matter the odds, the team behind Evo always pulled through. However, the one event that barely made it completion was Evo Japan 2019.
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** And... it doesn't end there. While still trying to get the airline tickets worked out, Renne contacted the Oregon Department of Justice to investigate. The DOJ found out that most of BOE's charity activities were a fraud. There was no record of any large donations to the literacy program they were supposedly supporting. They weren't even incorporated and the money that had been raised at other events had vanished.
** And it STILL doesn't end there. As the planning of the convention was happening, a man named Michael Player showed up at the police headquarters in Salem, OR. He had received a suicide note from his daughter Amy Player, who claimed that the love of her life, Abby Stone, had run off with a man named Jordan Wood. The police found a picture of Michael's daughter Amy. When they showed it around to others, they all identified the person as... Jordan Wood.
** In the end, Jordan admitted that he and Amy Player were, in fact, the same person. The whole thing with [=BoE=] and Tentmoot was all a sham so he could try to build a new identity as Jordan while leaving his old life behind ("Amy Player" was his deadname). Police told Jordan that he was prohibited from ever soliciting money for [=BoE=] or any charity at all in the state of Oregon for the rest of his life, and that he'd be arrested if he ever showed his face in Portland again. He eventually was caught (while waiting in line to see ''Return of the King'' in Portland), but the DA declined to press charges. After a number of unrelated shenanigans, Jordan eventually underwent gender confirmation surgery, legally changing his name to Andrew "Andy" Blake. Andy then moved to the ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' fandom, where he became a BigNameFan after his fic ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'' became popular. He was later involved in a triple homicide that claimed the life of one of his friends. He survived, but used the incident as an excuse to solicit donations to travel to New Zealand.

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** And...But... it doesn't end there. While still trying to get the airline tickets worked out, Renne contacted the Oregon Department of Justice to investigate. The DOJ ODOJ found out that most of BOE's [=BoE's=] charity activities were a fraud.frauulent. There was no record of any large donations to the literacy program they were supposedly supporting. They weren't even incorporated incorporated, and the money that had been raised at other events had vanished.
** And it STILL doesn't end there. there, as one final twist complicated things even further. As the planning of the convention was happening, a man named Michael Player showed up at the police headquarters in Salem, OR. He Oregon. Michael had received a suicide note from his daughter Amy Player, who claimed that the love of her life, Abby Stone, had run off with a man named Jordan Wood. The police found a picture of Michael's daughter Amy. When they showed it around to others, they all identified the person as... in the photo as Jordan Wood.
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Wood. In the end, Jordan admitted that he Wood and Amy Player were, in fact, the same person. The whole thing with [=BoE=] and Tentmoot was all a sham so he Jordan could try to build a new identity as Jordan while leaving his old life behind ("Amy Player" was his deadname). Police deadname).
** When all was said and done, Oregon police
told Jordan that he was prohibited from ever soliciting money for [=BoE=] or any charity at all in the state of Oregon for the rest of his life, life (including [=BoE=]), and that he'd be arrested if he ever showed his face in Portland again. He eventually was caught (while while waiting in line to see ''Return of the King'' in Portland), Portland, but the DA declined to press charges. After a number of unrelated shenanigans, Jordan eventually underwent gender confirmation surgery, legally changing his name to Andrew "Andy" Blake. Andy then moved to the ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' fandom, where he became a BigNameFan after his fic ''FanFic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'' became popular. He was later involved in a triple homicide that claimed the life of one of his friends. He survived, but used the incident as an excuse to solicit donations to travel to New Zealand.
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* Dashcon, a fan-run Website/{{Tumblr}} convention held in Schaumburg, Illinois, became an infamous epic failure overnight. Among the many reasons:

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* Dashcon, a fan-run Website/{{Tumblr}} convention held in Schaumburg, Illinois, became an infamous epic failure overnight. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPwgSXZJcok Among the many reasons:reasons]]:
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* [=TouhouCon=], a convention dedicated to '''that''' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' in Anaheim, California, ran for only two years. The first year, in 2014, wasn't too bad. The second year, in 2015, the convention organizers decided to invite a number of big-name, big-budget guests from the ''Touhou'' doujinshi industry, including the band Yuuhei Satellite and musicians/[=DJs=] [=REDALiCE=] and Masayoshi Minoshima (best known for his iconic cover of "Bad Apple!!"). Outwardly, everything seemed like it was going well, but staff soon realized that the number of badges they were selling were well below expectations, and started making last-minute efforts to draw in large amounts of revenue to recoup the costs, such as handing out a $999 "Strongest Badge"[[note]]named and priced after Cirno, who is memetically known for calling herself the [[WorldsStrongestMan Strongest Fairy]] as well as a labeled HUD screenshot that labels her with the number 9 and the word "idiot"[[/note]] that grants admission not only to [=TouhouCon=] 2015 but all future iterations of it as well, and selling last-minute badges for a mere $9. The con came and went and as far as attendees were concerned, everything went well. But the convention could not make back the cost needed to have the guests over, [[http://www.nerdandtie.com/2015/12/09/over-two-months-later-touhoucon-artists-still-on-the-hook-for-free-hotel-rooms/ so the hotel that was hosting the convention slapped charges of about $1,500 per room on those guests because they needed the room payments from somewhere]][[note]]Normally, in an agreement like this, the convention fronts the payment, but the guests are responsible for providing an incidentals/damage deposit, preferably with a credit card, in case they break or steal something from the room, something the convention empathetically wouldn't want to be responsible for. But without funds from the convention, guess where the money ends up coming from?[[/note]], ending the convention's short run and souring the American ''Touhou'' community.

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* [=TouhouCon=], a convention dedicated to '''that''' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' in Anaheim, California, ran for only two years. The first year, in 2014, wasn't too bad. The second year, in 2015, the convention organizers decided to invite a number of big-name, big-budget guests from the ''Touhou'' doujinshi industry, including the band Yuuhei Satellite and musicians/[=DJs=] [=REDALiCE=] and Masayoshi Minoshima (best known for his iconic cover of "Bad Apple!!"). Outwardly, everything seemed like it was going well, but staff soon realized that the number of badges they were selling were well below expectations, and started making last-minute efforts to draw in large amounts of revenue to recoup the costs, such as handing out a $999 "Strongest Badge"[[note]]named and priced after Cirno, who is memetically known for calling herself the [[WorldsStrongestMan Strongest Fairy]] as well as a labeled HUD screenshot that labels her with the number 9 and the word "idiot"[[/note]] that grants admission not only to [=TouhouCon=] 2015 but all future iterations of it as well, and selling last-minute badges for a mere $9. The con came and went and as far as attendees were concerned, everything went well. But the convention could not make back the cost needed to have the guests over, [[http://www.nerdandtie.com/2015/12/09/over-two-months-later-touhoucon-artists-still-on-the-hook-for-free-hotel-rooms/ so the hotel that was hosting the convention slapped charges of about $1,500 per room on those guests because they needed the room payments from somewhere]][[note]]Normally, in an agreement like this, the convention fronts the room payment, but the guests are responsible for providing an incidentals/damage deposit, preferably with a credit card, in case they break or steal something from the room, something the convention empathetically wouldn't want to be responsible for. But without sufficient funds from the convention, guess where the money room payment ends up coming from?[[/note]], from instead?[[/note]], ending the convention's short run and souring the American ''Touhou'' community.
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* [=TouhouCon=], a convention dedicated to '''that''' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' in Anaheim, California, ran for only two years. The first year, in 2014, wasn't too bad. The second year, in 2015, the convention organizers decided to invite a number of big-name, big-budget guests from the ''Touhou'' doujinshi industry, including the band Yuuhei Satellite and musicians/[=DJs=] [=REDALiCE=] and Masayoshi Minoshima (best known for his iconic cover of "Bad Apple!!"). Outwardly, everything seemed like it was going well, but staff soon realized that the number of badges they were selling were well below expectations, and started making last-minute efforts to draw in large amounts of revenue to recoup the costs, such as handing out a $999 "Strongest Badge"[[note]]named and priced after Cirno, who is memetically known for calling herself the [[WorldsStrongestMan Strongest Fairy]] as well as a labeled HUD screenshot that labels her with the number 9 and the word "idiot"[[/note]] and selling last-minute badges for a mere $9. The con came and went and as far as attendees were concerned, everything went well. But the convention could not make back the cost needed to have the guests over, [[http://www.nerdandtie.com/2015/12/09/over-two-months-later-touhoucon-artists-still-on-the-hook-for-free-hotel-rooms/ so the hotel that was hosting the convention slapped charges of about $1,500 per room on those guests because they needed the room payments from somewhere]][[note]]Normally, in an agreement like this, the convention fronts the payment, but the guests are responsible for providing an incidentals/damage deposit, preferably with a credit card, in case they break or steal something from the room, something the convention empathetically wouldn't want to be responsible for. But without funds from the convention, guess where the money ends up coming from?[[/note]], ending the convention's short run and souring the American ''Touhou'' community.

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* [=TouhouCon=], a convention dedicated to '''that''' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' in Anaheim, California, ran for only two years. The first year, in 2014, wasn't too bad. The second year, in 2015, the convention organizers decided to invite a number of big-name, big-budget guests from the ''Touhou'' doujinshi industry, including the band Yuuhei Satellite and musicians/[=DJs=] [=REDALiCE=] and Masayoshi Minoshima (best known for his iconic cover of "Bad Apple!!"). Outwardly, everything seemed like it was going well, but staff soon realized that the number of badges they were selling were well below expectations, and started making last-minute efforts to draw in large amounts of revenue to recoup the costs, such as handing out a $999 "Strongest Badge"[[note]]named and priced after Cirno, who is memetically known for calling herself the [[WorldsStrongestMan Strongest Fairy]] as well as a labeled HUD screenshot that labels her with the number 9 and the word "idiot"[[/note]] that grants admission not only to [=TouhouCon=] 2015 but all future iterations of it as well, and selling last-minute badges for a mere $9. The con came and went and as far as attendees were concerned, everything went well. But the convention could not make back the cost needed to have the guests over, [[http://www.nerdandtie.com/2015/12/09/over-two-months-later-touhoucon-artists-still-on-the-hook-for-free-hotel-rooms/ so the hotel that was hosting the convention slapped charges of about $1,500 per room on those guests because they needed the room payments from somewhere]][[note]]Normally, in an agreement like this, the convention fronts the payment, but the guests are responsible for providing an incidentals/damage deposit, preferably with a credit card, in case they break or steal something from the room, something the convention empathetically wouldn't want to be responsible for. But without funds from the convention, guess where the money ends up coming from?[[/note]], ending the convention's short run and souring the American ''Touhou'' community.
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* [=TouhouCon=], a convention dedicated to '''that''' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' in Anaheim, California, ran for only two years. The first year, in 2014, wasn't too bad. The second year, in 2015, the convention organizers decided to invite a number of big-name, big-budget guests from the ''Touhou'' doujinshi industry, including the band Yuuhei Satellite and musicians/[=DJs=] [=REDALiCE=] and Masayoshi Minoshima (best known for his iconic cover of "Bad Apple!!"). Outwardly, everything seemed like it was going well, but staff soon realized that the number of badges they were selling were well below expectations, and started making last-minute efforts to draw in large amounts of revenue to recoup the costs, such as handing out a $999 "Strongest Badge"[[note]]named and priced after Cirno, who is memetically known for calling herself the [[WorldsStrongestMan Strongest Fairy]] as well as a labeled HUD screenshot that labels her with the number 9 and the word "idiot"[[/note]] and selling last-minute badges for a mere $9. The con came and went and as far as attendees were concerned, everything went well. But the convention could not make back the cost needed to have the guests over, [[http://www.nerdandtie.com/2015/12/09/over-two-months-later-touhoucon-artists-still-on-the-hook-for-free-hotel-rooms/ so the hotel that was hosting the convention slapped charges of about $1,500 per room on those guests because they needed the room payments from somewhere]][[note]]Normally, in an agreement like this, the convention fronts the payment, but the guests are responsible for providing an incidentals/damage deposit, preferably with a credit card, in case they break or steal something from the room, something the convention empathetically wouldn't want to be responsible for. But without funds from the convention, guess where the money ends up coming from?[[/note]], effectively ending the convention's short run and souring the American ''Touhou'' community.

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* [=TouhouCon=], a convention dedicated to '''that''' ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' in Anaheim, California, ran for only two years. The first year, in 2014, wasn't too bad. The second year, in 2015, the convention organizers decided to invite a number of big-name, big-budget guests from the ''Touhou'' doujinshi industry, including the band Yuuhei Satellite and musicians/[=DJs=] [=REDALiCE=] and Masayoshi Minoshima (best known for his iconic cover of "Bad Apple!!"). Outwardly, everything seemed like it was going well, but staff soon realized that the number of badges they were selling were well below expectations, and started making last-minute efforts to draw in large amounts of revenue to recoup the costs, such as handing out a $999 "Strongest Badge"[[note]]named and priced after Cirno, who is memetically known for calling herself the [[WorldsStrongestMan Strongest Fairy]] as well as a labeled HUD screenshot that labels her with the number 9 and the word "idiot"[[/note]] and selling last-minute badges for a mere $9. The con came and went and as far as attendees were concerned, everything went well. But the convention could not make back the cost needed to have the guests over, [[http://www.nerdandtie.com/2015/12/09/over-two-months-later-touhoucon-artists-still-on-the-hook-for-free-hotel-rooms/ so the hotel that was hosting the convention slapped charges of about $1,500 per room on those guests because they needed the room payments from somewhere]][[note]]Normally, in an agreement like this, the convention fronts the payment, but the guests are responsible for providing an incidentals/damage deposit, preferably with a credit card, in case they break or steal something from the room, something the convention empathetically wouldn't want to be responsible for. But without funds from the convention, guess where the money ends up coming from?[[/note]], effectively ending the convention's short run and souring the American ''Touhou'' community.

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