History Tropers / Soble

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BTS's also sounds great. It's just as slow and steady, but rather than belonging to someone who's feeling overwhelmed by what lies ahead, it comes across as more depressed and lethargic, even a little bit desperate. Exactly what we're getting by switching from Max (overwhelmed by responsibility) to Chloe (overwhelmed by the feeling she's well and truly fucked, and going nowhere).[[/quoteblock]]

[[quoteblock]]what do you think of the opening music of both games?[[/quoteblock]]

Quotes I Need:

** "I would say it would be guilt. See Max was forced to move because at age 13 if your parents move so do you move, she had no choice in that. However as a 13 year old she likely would not be able to process it properly and she would blame herself and feel super guilty.
Guilt can do strange things to the mind and most often it makes you do the exact opposite thing you should be doing to get rid of the guilt. Yes she should have kept in touch with Chloe at such a terrible time in her life but the guilt made it hard for her to make that initial contact, and when that happens the guilt begins to pile up and it gets harder and harder to do what you actually know you should be doing." - [[http://steamcommunity.com/app/554620/discussions/0/1486613649680940264/ why didn't Max stay in touch with Chloe]]]

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[[quoteblock]]If the first game had that problem of 'choices don't matter', why would that suddenly not or be any less of a problem in a prequel? Arguably, it'd be worse[[/quoteblock]]

Well first I should correct myself in that I actually don't see it as a problem. Anybody who picks up a video game that promises "free choice" and expects 6 different, fully-animated, voiced, totally separate endings that are each equally valid is bound to be disappointed every time (cough) NoMansSky (cough). As I rarely buy into the illusion of free choice in video games I'm never really disappointed by a "lack" of it.

[[quoteblock]]Not only do we have the basic variation of the problem, we know from the outset of the original that we can't change anything.[[/quoteblock]]

But you know that going into any prequel. A prequel serves to fill in gaps and thus choices will almost never matter due to the need to link up with the story that follows the prequel. The need for significant choice is practically eliminated. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't still be interesting choices or character development, but if those choices ''did'' change the story in a way that differs from the sequel then it's not really a prequel at all, it's a spin-off, a parallel universe.

If anything I'd say this might be better-received because it's honest from the get-go - ''if you're playing a prequel you're accepting the fact that you are playing through past events and that certain events are leading to the events of the sequel''. But that doesn't have to be a negative - the little micro-choices in LIS like Max watering her plant, ordering one meal or another, kissing Chloe, none of those change the outcome, but they do change how we experience the narrative and Max's character. That's actually enough for me as a player.

If the game is telling you from the outset "this is a prequel" then any criticism about "not being able to change everything" is kind of invalid.

[[quoteblock]] I don't know how many ways you can really grip the audience in this small of a setting. Or how many plot twists or The Reveal moments you could throw at us.[[/quoteblock]]

A prequel doesn't really need a TheReveal moment, but even it it did, there's a lot of things in Arcadia Bay that could be elaborated on from Chloe or Rachel's perspective.

[[quoteblock]]The only thing I can possibly think of doing is giving Rachel the time powers and doing whatever the hell they want as continuity.[[/quoteblock]]

The thing that grabbed me when I got to Episodes 4 and 5 was how everyone expected some big supernatural answer, only for TheUntwist to happen, emphasizing that the important parts of the story were Max and Chloe's relationship and Max growing as a person, etc. With that in mind I see nothing wrong with telling a simpler story without much in the way of twists. Rachel doesn't need to gain powers, the story doesn't need to change in any significant way, and given there's years between when Max left and came back, and months between Rachel disappearing and Max coming back, there's a wealth of character development to draw from.

Heck, doing a simpler story without a time travel gimmick or a litany of plot twists, just focusing on character interaction and development I'd say plays to Dontnod's strengths.

I am Soble.

[[folder:The best Blake Belladonna jokes I've found]]
* [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13639868050A17401700&page=1466#36639 Yang's arm is like Blake. They've both severed all ties with her. The only difference is that Yang's arm was useful.]]

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* DragonBallZ
* YuYuHakusho
* FullmetalAlchemist (2003 and Brotherhood)
* DotHackSign
* DeathNote
* CodeGeass
* {{Monster}}
* PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt
* TriGun
* CowboyBebop
* OutlawStar
* FutureDiary
* GirlsBravo
* ElfenLied
* TheMelancholyOfHaruhiSuzumiya
* HighschoolOfTheDead
* OhMyGoddess
* {{FLCL}}
* SamuraiChamploo
* DragonballGT
* HellGirl
* HunterXHunter
* SCryEd
* {{Basilisk}}
* SpiritedAway
* HigurashiWhenTheyCry
* {{Needless}}
* TengenToppaGurrenLagann
* LuckyStar
* {{Bakuman}}
* AngelBeats
* BlackLagoon
* {{Baccano}}
* FlameOfRecca
* ChibiVampire
* {{Durarara}}
* {{Grenadier}}
* BigO
* {{Kamichu}}

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[[folder:Shows I've watched]]
* {{Farscape}}
* {{Heroes}}
* TheWalkingDead
* {{Dexter}}
* {{LOST}}

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[[folder:DC Zombies]]

DC Wastelands – a rip-off from Marvel Zombies

A version of Earth exists: where more than two-thirds of Earth’s population has become flesh-devouring creatures, and the metahuman community fights desperately to survive.

The poor, unfortunate souls:
* Lois Lane *
* Arsenal *
* Red Hood *
* Robin (Damian) *
* Starfire *
* Stargirl *
* Solomon Grundy *

Antagonists:

* The Joker *
* Vandal Savage
* Amanda Waller
* Lex Luthor
* Lena Luthor
* Superboy (undead)
* Per Degaton

Survivors:

* Vixen
* Steve Trevor
* King Faraday
* Nightwing
* Green Arrow
* Raven
* Batman
* Gypsy
* Fire
* Madame Xanadu
* Big Barda
* Jason Blood
* Phantom Stranger *
* John Constantine
Undead:
* Captain Marvel
* Superman
* Wonder Woman *
* Hal Jordan
* Supergirl
* Harley Quinn *
* Beast Boy
* Cyborg
* Martian Manhunter
* Hawkwoman
* Hawkman
* Steel
* Wonder Girl *
* Boston Brand (Deadman)
* Wildcat
* Cheetah
* Mr. Miracle
* Mr. Terrific

Deceased:

* Carol Ferris
* STRIPES
* Flash
* Huntress

The story (chronologically) began with Superman being bitten by an infected Captain Marvel, though Batman (amputated to prevent infection) never found out exactly where it started.

Scenes:

• The first scene is Hal Jordan finding Abin Sur, his corpse zombified. The power ring goes to Hal in the nick of time, letting him retaliate when Abin Sur reanimates and tries to eat him. In the next scene, zombified Hal is still wielding his Power Ring. Though the ‘hunger’ initially prevented him from using the ring’s power, his cannibalistic power enabled him to use the Lantern’s power. He explains this to Lois Lane, while feeding on Carol Ferris, terrifying Lois. An arrow goes through Jordan’s face, allowing Lois to escape. Arsenal saves her life, taking her back to the bunker.

• Lois keeps a personal memoir: she was there when the coasts of Metropolis filled with dead animals. When Arthur Curry was bitten by Superman, Arthur immediately fled into the oceans, and soon the seas were painted red. Arthur fed on the unsuspecting aquatic populations of Earth, returning to shore only when he’d depopulated the sealife in a given area. Arthur was never confirmed KIA, so most keep away from the shore out of fear of him.

• Martian Manhunter shapeshifts, so that he can sneak into human gatherings and feed on the survivors in secret. He helps the survivors evade the other zombies to sustain himself.

• Superman, Hawkman, Hawkwoman, and Supergirl all left the Earth, aware that their powers let them endure space travel, and that they would be the only ones capable of feeding on distant planets and solar systems, while their brethren would be stuck on Earth.
• Lois has a nightmare: of the day Superman turned. She watched him pull a plane out of the sky and lower it into the streets, tearing the cabin apart, and begin eating the occupants.

• Lois wakes up in a bunker, far away from the Daily Planet building where she’d previously holed up. She was brought back by Arsenal, Roy Harper, who’s eked out a base in Metropolis with the help of Damian, Koriand’r, and Courtney.

• Jason, the Red Hood, remained in Gotham to deal with the zombies there and protect Gotham Academy.

• Roy tells her that they wanted to commandeer a helicopter, but they’ve been unable to move since Superboy prowls those eras.

• Superboy remained on Earth, due to being unable to fly like the rest of the Superman-family.

• The final scene will involve the Phantom Stranger being bitten. When he resurrects, he guides the zombies to the remaining human survivors.

Ideas (other stories, etc)

• Barda and her husband, Scott, Mister Miracle, were attacked early on in their suburban home. Defending their household proved easy enough, until a super-zombie attacked them. Barda fought bravely, but was bitten. Scott nursed her until her last breath, but as a last resort, used the Alpha Effect to revive her.

• Boston Brand (Deadman) can’t possess any of the undead.

• The Swamp Thing and The Green are untouched by the infection – they’re just trees, and they’ll have their own role to play when human survivors seek them out for sanctuary. The Green are waging their own battle for survival against The Rot.

• Alfred gave his life to save Damian, Stephanie Brown, and Time Drake.

• Lobo hunts down the undead Superman, Supergirl, Hawkwoman and Hawkman.

* Raven had a vision of the devastated Earth and believed her father, Trigon, responsible for it. She left the Earth before the zombie apocalypse started, though she visited Billy Batson beforehand, warning him that he would herald that apocalypse.

• Amanda Waller coerces an entirely new Suicide Squad to send them on the most suicidal mission yet: retake Washington DC from the dead. The unlucky members are Rick Flag Jr, Arthur Light, Calculator, Clock King,

Ideas (elements)

• As the undead bodies no longer contain living cells, Kryptonite won’t affect an undead Kryptonian.

• When the undead swarmed Gotham City, Joker threw Harley to them in a bid to escape. In her undead state, she’s refused to devour an entire human, driven by her intense desire to hunt down and eat the Joker. Rather than outright kill her victims, she carries a hacksaw so that she can take parts of them for sustenance.

• Wonder Woman, Wonder Girl, and Donna Troy capture weaker zombies and bring them to Paradise Island. Diana already infected the Amazons there, and consumed those that couldn’t be dealt with (or whenever she got hungry). With that done, the Amazons use their all-healing Purple Ray to transform the undead back into living beings, so that the army of Amazons can feed.

• Per Degaton and Phantom Stranger know what’s up, know the origins of the plague, and are each determined to create an escape method, for their own reasons.

• After Bizarro was bitten, Lex hastily convinced Bizarro that, since he was an undead, he had to do the opposite of what the other undead did. Bizarro was a ‘zombie’, and zombies didn’t eat the living, zombies protected the living from the undead. Bizarro, while undead, became Luthor’s protector, though Luthor questions whether Bizarro’s hunger can be channeled, even offering him regular meals of former LutherCorp employees and the Joker’s henchmen.

• Aware that Luthor had a champion, Joker sought one of his own – most of his henchmen were getting killed and eaten left and right, before Joker even got the chance to, too! But there were rumors about a local acquaintance, Solomon Grundy, who, already undead, was unaffected by the infection. Once in contact, Joker promised Grundy a cut of whatever cash Joker’s stooges could get their hands on. Grundy agreed; a super-powerful, indestructible mobster on his side, Joker knew he could stand up to big old Luthor any day of the week.

• Lex Luthor and the Joker, in-between surviving the apocalypse, launch attacks on each other whenever possible in order to steal resources.

• Steve Trevor, Amanda Waller, Pat Dugan, Michael Holt, Raymond Palmer, and Barbara Gordon commandeered Diana’s invisible plane, and are circling the globe while trying to coordinate teams, supervise containment, and control mass panic. But their efforts clearly aren’t doing much good, with the already undead masses reaching up at the plane flying over their outstretched, mutilated limbs.

• Black Flash killed each of the speedsters as soon as they were turned – their hunger dulled their senses, keeping them placid when true death came for them.

• Raymond Palmer shrunk himself, Luthor, Waller, and Oracle to microscopic size, so they could hide inside the city of Kandor.

• Diana and Cassandra returned to Themyscira quickly after being bitten, intent on devouring their Amazonian sisters before anyone else could. But Diana had an idea, and ate merely the weak and defenseless, turning the rest of the Amazons by choice. Finally, her mother, who would not give in to her and fought bravely. Diana wasn’t able to control the battle and Hipployta ended up consumed, all except for her head, which reanimated. Diana keeps her around out of pity, but assumes the role of the Amazon’s undead queen.

• After Atlantean scientists discovered the disease that infected her husband Arthur, that he was killing the world’s oceans and all aquatic life, Mera took a preemptive measure and moved a number of her people to Xebel, a separate dimension, to protect them. Mera waited for Arthur to return to Atlantis, and when he did, they engaged in a terrible battle. With tears in her eyes, Mera decapitated Arthur and left his severed head rotting at the bottom of the ocean, leaving for Xebel.

* Yang's arm is like Blake. They've both severed all ties with her. The only difference is that Yang's arm was useful.

* Yang's arm is like Blake.

They've both severed all ties with her.

The only difference is that Yang's arm was useful.

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