Line #12 Tropers/Soble


1	If you're reading this I'm not really using this for publicity, more to keep track of links and quotes I find on TVTropes.
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3	Death Battle Ideas:
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5	Death Battles that randomly come to mind:
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7	* Buffy Summers vs Xena
8	* Homer Simpson vs Peter Griffin
9	* Squirrel Girl vs Arale Norimaki
10	* Simon Belmont vs Juliet Starling
11	* Gurren Lagann vs Megas XLR
12	* Killua Zoldyck vs Koro-sensei
13	* Master Chief vs Doom Slayer (rematch)
14	* Duke Nukem vs Serious Sam
15	* John Wick vs James Bond
16	* Jack Cayman vs Travis Touchdown
17	* Earthworm Jim vs Sam Gideon
18	* Ant-Man vs The Atom
19	* David Xanato vs Kiritsugu Emiya
20	* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13104682120A63688200&page=1841#comment-46016 Kevin McAllister vs Jigsaw]]
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24	'''Jigsaw'''
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26	Advantages:
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28	* has killed a crap ton of people
29	* regularly evades FBI and Swat Teams
30	* has access to a number of lethal weaponry, chemicals, devices
31	* more complicated traps than Kevin
32	* seemingly higher pain tolerance
33	* old enough to drive, buy beer, and own a firearm license
34	* has collaborators and crafts multiple BatmanGambit XanatosGambitPileup-esque schemes
35	* good at taking advantage of human selfishness and greed
36	* operates on a moral code, but isn't afraid to leave victims HoistByHisOwnPetard
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38	Disadvantages:
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40	* has a brain tumor
41	* would probably get agitated by Kevin
42	* only targets people he believes deserve it, or who have personally wronged him
43	* the police are already looking for him
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45	[[/folder]]
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47	[[folder:stats(2)]]
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49	'''Kevin'''
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51	Advantages:
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53	* is a small child that the FBI is not currently hunting
54	* good at making his traps undetectable until the poor bastard has walked right in it
55	* manipulates several hotel staff in Home Alone 2 with a loud television
56	* weaponizes a good amount of house and hotel supplies into an effective home defense system
57	* higher chance of not being prosecuted due to his age
58	* faster on foot
59	* gains an extra life if he eats a box of pizza (''videogame only'')
60	* outwits several adults in spite of his young age
61	* the worst thing he's ever done is defend himself from burglars
62	* similar level of creativity to Jigsaw with much smaller window of preparation
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64	Disadvantages:
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66	* bit of a spoiled brat
67	* not old enough to buy a gun or have any collaborators
68	* young and gullible enough to buy into bogus serial killer stories
69	* little to no access to any expensive chemicals or devices outside of his own home
70	* doesn't have the body count that Jigsaw does
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72	[[/folder]]
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74	[[folder:Verdict]]
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76	* Kevin hasn't done anything worthy of Jigsaw's most lethal or unfair traps. Putting the kid in the reverse bear trap, or the shotgun collar, would be against Jigsaw's code of ethics.
77	** There always has to be an element of cruel irony to Jigsaw's traps. Kevin's trap-making has no such limitation. Kevin will flat out set a doorknob on fire, shoot you in the groin with a BB gun, or bash your skull in with a pain can no questions asked
78	* Kevin's fear of lesser serial killers like Old Man Marley would probably make him acutely aware of big-timers like the Jigsaw Killer - it would take him less time to know about Jigsaw than it would take for John to do any research on the McAllister household
79	** Jigsaw would likely target Kevin's parents before he'd target Kevin
80	* Jigsaw ''does'' have collaborators who would probably be less morally restrained - Hoffman in particular slaughtered a police station full of cops. But not only did Hoffman focus more on protecting himself than following Jigsaw's code, giving Jigsaw access to 3-4 helpers wouldn't be fair to Kevin.
81	** Restricting Young, Hoffman, and Gordon from John would severely cripple his traps - which are vastly superior to Kevin's in their scale and construction. The most we've known John to do all by himself would be the traps put together in the latest film, ''Jigsaw'', which took place before he had Amanda Young helping him, and it's unknown to what degree Nelson was helping him. Simply put, if we exclude his helpers then John's ability to create traps is greatly stunted.
82	*** Kevin's traps are literally homemade, making him the better inventor.
83	* Kevin is more physically fit and completes his traps in a smaller timespan.
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85	All in all, Kevin takes the victory. I guess Kramer shouldn't have been left ''home alone'' without Life Alert.
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87	[[/folder]]
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89	The winner is [[spoiler:Kevin McAllister]].
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93	DBX
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95	* Tron Bonne vs DVA
96	* Nina Williams vs Christie (DOA)
97	* JEHUTY vs Mobile Suit Gundam RX-72
98	* Duke Nukem vs Claptrap
99	* Lara Croft vs Aloy
100	* Eggman vs Wily (rematch)
101	* The Doctor vs Rick Sanchez
102	* Rick Sanchez vs Funny Valentine
103	* Vampire Batman vs Jonathan Joestar
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106	Things I need to keep track of
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108	* https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13712296040A52567200&page=494#12326 - Nostalgia Critic thread, page 490-495 (some heavy stuff
109	* https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13712296040A52567200&page=503 - Page 503, more heavy stuff
110	* "I love what they did with this one with the dub. This sequence is one of the few where I actually feel sympathy for Dio and get a sense of conflicted torture from him under all the evil. The drunkard's random insult insinuates wanting his mother and not listening to his father; after hearing that I'm almost surprised Dio didn't gouge out his eyes right then and there." - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVKkiMi53Sc Dio Brando vs Drunkards]]
111	* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13639868050a17401700&page=1953#48802 Heh. RWBY reaction 1]].
112	* "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T1JTLJ0BX8&lc=UgjGzWiHm0PB-HgCoAEC What's so tragic is that a man who has saved the world countless times, saved hundreds of children from persecution and death by giving their lives purpose and meaning, a man who is a titan among men, a man who deserves a funeral that kings would attend, gets killed as a neglected and alienated old man, and is buried in a field on the side of the road. And no one will ever know what he has done for the world. Logan knows that Charles deserves so much more, and is even more infuriated by that fact that they live in a world where this is all he can do for him. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of things going through Logan's head. I love this scene so much.]]"
113	* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13639868050A17401700&page=2553#comment-63809 RWBY thread post 63809]]
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115	Life Is Strange:
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117	[[quoteblock]][[http://209.15.34.67/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14233499130A54643100&page=91#2268 what do you think of the opening music of both games]]?[[/quoteblock]]
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119	[[quoteblock]]I think the first game's theme perfectly captures the sleepy, West coast feeling they were going for, while still sounding slightly mysterious. And all with guitars. In short, exactly what you want for a Twin Peaks inspired indie game.
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121	** BTS's also sounds great. It's just as slow and steady, but rather than belonging to someone who's feeling overwhelmed by what lies ahead, it comes across as more depressed and lethargic, even a little bit desperate. Exactly what we're getting by switching from Max (overwhelmed by responsibility) to Chloe (overwhelmed by the feeling she's well and truly fucked, and going nowhere).[[/quoteblock]]
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123	* "Do we ever find out why Max never responded to her - or has it been that long that they explained it in game and i dont remember....."
124	** "I would say it would be guilt. See Max was forced to move because at age 13 if your parents move so do you move, she had no choice in that. However as a 13 year old she likely would not be able to process it properly and she would blame herself and feel super guilty. Guilt can do strange things to the mind and most often it makes you do the exact opposite thing you should be doing to get rid of the guilt. Yes she should have kept in touch with Chloe at such a terrible time in her life but the guilt made it hard for her to make that initial contact, and when that happens the guilt begins to pile up and it gets harder and harder to do what you actually know you should be doing." - [[http://steamcommunity.com/app/554620/discussions/0/1486613649680940264/ why didn't Max stay in touch with Chloe]]]
125	* "There's something about Chloe and Max.. That I miss... but if they keep building the relationship with the Rachel and Chloe.. Just knowing whats going to happen... its already starting to break my heart..." - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVMpwJgcdiI&lc=z22sd5hr3lyseroxs04t1aokgsjqwo4c3vg40rq4mduxrk0h00410 Jimmy Farva]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVMpwJgcdiI Life is Strange: Before the Storm Train Song - Through The Cellar Door by Lanterns On The Lake]]
126	** "If you pay attention alot in the first episode there is tons of foreshadowing to both Chloe and Rachel’s fates. The whole scene where Rachel bursts into flames comes to mind but also the fact that Chloe’s spirit animal is the Raven says alot (for reference, Max’s was the blue butterfly which is pretty self explanatory.) This whole prequel is just such a depressing journey (within the overarching context of the story), but even still i couldn’t help smiling at how happy Chloe was with Rachel. Just the whole idea that life was beginning again for her makes me so happy even in knowing what will happen to them both.."
127	** "Playing Before the Storm makes the previous Life is Strange game even more heartbreaking because we all know what happens in the end. 😭 Especially when you chose to sacrifice Chloe. Now that we have an insight into Chloe's thoughts, we could see what she really thinks and how she truly feels when Max bailed on her. She misses her best friend, seeing as how she writes "letters" to Max on her journal. In the end, Chloe died feeling alone, unwanted-what with Rachel suddenly "disappearing" and Max leaving her behind. She didn't even get to see her again. 😭💔 It's as though an arrow pierced through my heart and someone twisted it, like the pain wasn't enough. 💔 I have a love and hate relationship with this game. I love it because it evokes emotion, it makes you feel for the characters. I hate it because it makes me cry like a bitch." - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVMpwJgcdiI&lc=z22ezzt5mmevthi1pacdp435t1j0m32ybw4aknzrftdw03c010c - Chanelle]]
128	** "Lol, sorry. :( You're not the only one, though. I cried for the past 2 days, and I feel like crying again, lol. xD I already got over it as well, but when I read Chloe's journal (which is basically her letters to Max), it reminded me of that ending again. 💔 Another thing I noticed was when Chloe was smashing all the stuff at the junkyard, she was able to say "Fuck David." and "Fuck Rachel." but she couldn't bring herself to say "Fuck Max." so she says "Fuck cameras." instead. 😭 UGH THE FEELS! My heart is hurting for Chloe. 😭💔 I don't think I'll be able to play BTS without crying. It's just impossible."
129	** "Chanelle Archibeque i feel you so much! this game stays stuck in my head all day along with the songs. so many beautiful moments but majorly sad overall considering the outcome 😞 i think the location of the game really hits you too cause if u look theyre just surrounded by the nature and amazing views. hell even the junkyard looks amazing .-. like damn i wish i lived there 😭"
130	* "At this moment, I just let the game behind me and took a cigarette, listening the music and thinking about my friends... Fuck, that game is just like the first LiS: it makes you feel alive, and human, and loving, just like that, when you don't expect it to do." - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5JTcyG4xw&lc=z23kvdzalnvrip0kmacdp43a1nuiujw4l1ozibwnnclw03c010c Youtube comment]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5JTcyG4xw Chloe and Rachel Train Scene EXTENDED]]
131	* "This song really describes Chloe and her struggles. "Find somebody to mend you." Would be Rachel Amber. "I feel numb in this kingdom." Could be a lot of things, such as loosing her dad in Arcadia Bay, or loosing Max or Rachel." - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aimWqcg1A0&lc=z13jgzcjqkjbsvvxr04cijmi2lqpvh3apyw0k The Weidest One]], [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aimWqcg1A0 Numbers - Daughter]].
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135	''Mugen-natcha, comin at ya.''
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137	''Got'cha back like a heart attack~''
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139	[[youtube:ASzVzfNsbtM]]
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141	''Sabrewulf vs Jonathan Talbain''
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