Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Trivia / SupermanIVTheQuestForPeace

Go To



* StarDerailingRole: Saying Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) didn't get much work after this movie would be an understatement. [[https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/s/what-happened-to-superman-iv%E2%80%99s-nuclear-man--153703667.html This interview]] from 2013 shows that Mark is a pretty good sport about the whole affair, saying that he enjoyed his experience working with Creator/ChristopherReeve and Creator/GeneHackman but acknowledges the film was a trainwreck that pretty much torpedoed his chances of a serious acting career (and no, he also isn't sure why they decided to dub over him with Hackman's voice). He eventually settled down and became a family man.

to:

* StarDerailingRole: StarDerailingRole:
**
Saying Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) didn't get much work after this movie would be an understatement. [[https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/s/what-happened-to-superman-iv%E2%80%99s-nuclear-man--153703667.html This interview]] from 2013 shows that Mark is a pretty good sport about the whole affair, saying that he enjoyed his experience working with Creator/ChristopherReeve and Creator/GeneHackman but acknowledges the film was a trainwreck that pretty much torpedoed his chances of a serious acting career (and no, he also isn't sure why they decided to dub over him with Hackman's voice). He eventually settled down and became a family man.man.
** The box-office failure of this film and several others stalled Creator/JonCryer's career momentum after ''Film/PrettyInPink'', a situation he would not recover from until ''Series/TwoAndAHalfMen'' debuted.


* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' might well have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when [[Film/BatmanAndRobin two]] [[Film/{{Steel}} other]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started; while that kept DC down until ''Film/BatmanBegins'', the entire genre was fortunately saved by Marvel's ''Film/BLADE'' the following year).

to:

* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' might well have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when [[Film/BatmanAndRobin two]] [[Film/{{Steel}} other]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started; while that kept DC down until ''Film/BatmanBegins'', the entire genre was fortunately saved by Marvel's ''Film/BLADE'' ''Film/{{BLADE}}'' the following year).


* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' might well have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when [[Film/BatmanAndRobin two]] [[Film/{{Steel}} other]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started.

to:

* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' might well have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when [[Film/BatmanAndRobin two]] [[Film/{{Steel}} other]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started.started; while that kept DC down until ''Film/BatmanBegins'', the entire genre was fortunately saved by Marvel's ''Film/BLADE'' the following year).


* BTeamSequel: The film rights were licensed to Creator/TheCannonGroup by the Salkinds. Creator/WarnerBros, which distributed the first three films, also distributed this film in North America.

to:

* BTeamSequel: The film rights Creator/RichardDonner and Richard Lester were licensed both asked to Creator/TheCannonGroup by the Salkinds. Creator/WarnerBros, which distributed the first three films, also distributed this film in North America.return as director, but declined.



* ChannelHop: The film rights were licensed to Creator/TheCannonGroup by the Salkinds. Creator/WarnerBros, which distributed the first three films, also distributed this film in North America.



** Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) described Reeve as an intense person to work with. On the other hand, he found Creator/GeneHackman a joy to work with.



* TroubledProduction: The film basically had no real budget to work with, among other reasons because producers Golan-Globus were secretly siphoning away funds to finance other projects, which caused all kinds of problems for what should have been a huge film. As if that weren't enough, Creator/MargotKidder later said the working relationship between her and Reeve soured during filming and that Reeve didn't get along with director Sidney J. Furie either. Reeve only accepted to play Superman once more only if he had creative control over the script.

to:

* TroubledProduction: The film basically had no real budget to work with, among other reasons because producers Golan-Globus were secretly siphoning away funds to finance other projects, which caused all kinds of problems for what should have been a huge film. As if that weren't enough, Creator/MargotKidder later said the working relationship between her and Reeve soured during filming and that Reeve didn't get along with director Sidney J. Furie either. Reeve only accepted to play Superman once more only if he had creative control over the script. Stuntman John Lees suffered career-ending injuries when working on the moon scenes, leading to a subsequent court case. Much of the special effects crew that worked on the previous films were hired during pre-production, but eventually left following salary disputes. Only Roy Field would remain loyal to the production.



** Creator/WesCraven was originally slated to direct the movie, but was replaced due to CreativeDifferences with Creator/ChristopherReeve. Reeve himself was also pencilled in as director early on, but ultimately backed out after realising that he wasn't suited to direct such a technically-demanding film.
** Creator/RichardDonner and Richard Lester were both asked to return as director, but declined.

to:

** Creator/WesCraven was originally slated to direct the movie, but was replaced due to CreativeDifferences with Creator/ChristopherReeve. Reeve himself was also pencilled in as director early on, but ultimately backed out after realising that he wasn't suited to direct such a technically-demanding film.
** Creator/RichardDonner and Richard Lester were both asked to return as director, but declined.
film. Reeve also suggested that Cannon hire Creator/RonHoward for the job.



** Mr. Hornsby's actor Don Fellows also played the "I answer only to the President" general in ''II'' (his voice was redubbed in the latter; Mr. Hornsby's voice is the actor's).

to:

** Mr. Hornsby's actor Don Fellows also played the "I answer only to the President" general in ''II'' (his voice was redubbed in the latter; Mr. Hornsby's voice is the actor's).actor's).
----

Added DiffLines:

** Creator/ChristopherReeve, while promoting [[Film/SupermanIII the previous film in the series]], told [[Series/TheTonightShowStarringJohnnyCarson Johnny Carson]] on the episode that aired June 7, 1983, that his involvement with the Superman franchise was then over.


* CreatorKiller: The failure of ''Superman IV'' most likely ruined Creator/TheCannonGroup's chances at becoming a legitimate film studio. They didn't give special priority to the sequel, as they were already overstretched with other productions at the time, and funnelled much of the original budget to those. Between failures like this, ''Film/{{Lifeforce}}'', ''Film/MastersOfTheUniverse'', and ''Film/OverTheTop'', Cannon was forced to close up shop at the dawn of the 1990s.

to:

* CreatorKiller: CreatorKiller:
**
The failure of ''Superman IV'' most likely ruined Creator/TheCannonGroup's chances at becoming a legitimate film studio. They didn't give special priority to the sequel, as they were already overstretched with other productions at the time, and funnelled much of the original budget to those. Between failures like this, ''Film/{{Lifeforce}}'', ''Film/MastersOfTheUniverse'', and ''Film/OverTheTop'', Cannon was forced to close up shop at the dawn of the 1990s.1990s.
** While director Sidney J. Furie hadn't had a film that was a critical hit for well over a decade prior to this film, he'd at least had a few that were commercial successes, such as ''Film/TheEntity'' and ''Film/IronEagle''. Following this film's critical and commercial failure, while he did continue to rack up film and TV credits in the decades ahead, he never worked on anything else of note other than the second and fourth ''Iron Eagle'' films.


-->We were also hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks in all departments. Cannon Films had nearly thirty projects in the works at the time, and ''Superman IV'' received no special consideration. For example, Konner and Rosenthal wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations, where he gives a speech. If that had been a scene in ''Film/{{Superman|TheMovie}} I'', we would actually have shot it on 42nd Street. [[Creator/RichardDonner Dick Donner]] would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut to people gawking out of office windows at the sight of Superman walking down the street like the Pied Piper. Instead, we had to shoot at an industrial park in England in the rain with about a hundred extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere. Even if the story had been brilliant, I don't think that we could ever have lived up to the audience's expectations with this approach.

to:

-->We were also hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks in all departments. Cannon Films had nearly thirty projects in the works at the time, and ''Superman IV'' received no special consideration. For example, [Lawrence] Konner and [Mark] Rosenthal wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations, where he gives a speech. If that had been a scene in ''Film/{{Superman|TheMovie}} I'', we would actually have shot it on 42nd Street. [[Creator/RichardDonner Dick Donner]] would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut to people gawking out of office windows at the sight of Superman walking down the street like the Pied Piper. Instead, we had to shoot at an industrial park in England in the rain with about a hundred extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere. Even if the story had been brilliant, I don't think that we could ever have lived up to the audience's expectations with this approach.



** Creator/WesCraven was originally slated to direct the movie, but was replaced due to CreativeDifferences with Creator/ChristopherReeve. (This should already be obvious.)

to:

** Creator/WesCraven was originally slated to direct the movie, but was replaced due to CreativeDifferences with Creator/ChristopherReeve. (This should already be obvious.)Reeve himself was also pencilled in as director early on, but ultimately backed out after realising that he wasn't suited to direct such a technically-demanding film.



** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs -- mostly for nightclub scenes -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)Creator/LaLaLandRecords [[https://lalalandrecords.com/superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ eventually issued an individual album]].

to:

** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs -- mostly for nightclub scenes -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)Creator/LaLaLandRecords ) Creator/LaLaLandRecords [[https://lalalandrecords.com/superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ eventually issued an individual album]].album]].
** The climax of the story was meant to have Nuclear Man flying Lacy into the skies above Metropolis after kidnapping her. However, the lack of a suitable shot of the city's skyline forced them to instead have him fly Lacy into ''space'', resulting in one of the film's most infamous plot holes.


** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs -- mostly for nightclub scenes -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)Creator/LalaLandRecords [[https://lalalandrecords.com/superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ eventually an individual album]].

to:

** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs -- mostly for nightclub scenes -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)Creator/LalaLandRecords )Creator/LaLaLandRecords [[https://lalalandrecords.com/superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ eventually issued an individual album]].


** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs -- mostly for nightclub scenes -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)

to:

** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs -- mostly for nightclub scenes -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.))Creator/LalaLandRecords [[https://lalalandrecords.com/superman-iv-the-quest-for-peace-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ eventually an individual album]].


* OneHitWonder: Acting version, for a loose definition of "wonder". This is the only film Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) made.

to:

* OneHitWonder: Acting version, for a loose definition of "wonder". OneBookAuthor: This is the only film Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) made.


* BTeamSequel: The film rights were licensed to Creator/TheCannonGroup by the Salkinds. Creator/WarnerBros, which distributed the first three films, also distributed this film in North America.



* BTeamSequel: The film rights were licensed to Creator/TheCannonGroup by the Salkinds. Creator/WarnerBros, which distributed the first three films, also distributed this film in North America.



* DeletedScene: Quite a lot of material (45 minutes worth!) was cut for the movie's theatrical release, with some odd choices. One would think an extended action sequence of Superman fighting a super-powered opponent (the Bizarro-esque first incarnation of Nuclear Man) would be something you'd want to ''keep''. Other deleted scenes make the plot hang together a little better, and there's a nice character scene between Lois Lane and the weakened Clark/Superman at Clark's apartment.

to:

* DeletedScene: Quite a lot of material (45 minutes minutes' worth!) was cut for the movie's theatrical release, with some odd choices. One would think an extended action sequence of Superman fighting a super-powered opponent (the Bizarro-esque first incarnation of Nuclear Man) would be something you'd want to ''keep''. Other deleted scenes make the plot hang together a little better, and there's a nice character scene between Lois Lane and the weakened Clark/Superman at Clark's apartment.



* DoingItForTheArt: By some accounts, Creator/ChristopherReeve only [[OneForTheMoneyOneForTheArt agreed to do ''Superman IV'' in order to get ''Street Smart'' made.]] (Reeve also has co-story and second unit director credit.)
* ExecutiveMeddling: Cannon cut the film's budget and the running time. Creator/JonCryer said that they basically released an unfinished film.

to:

* DoingItForTheArt: By some accounts, Creator/ChristopherReeve only [[OneForTheMoneyOneForTheArt agreed agreed]] to do ''Superman IV'' in order to get ''Street Smart'' made.]] made. (Reeve also has co-story and second unit director credit.)
* ExecutiveMeddling: Cannon cut the film's budget and the running time. Creator/JonCryer said that they basically released an unfinished film.



* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' would most likely have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when another [[Film/BatmanAndRobin set]] [[Film/{{Steel}} of]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started.
* HostilityOnTheSet: According to Creator/MargotKidder, she and Creator/ChristopherReeve did not get along during filming. Kidder states that Reeve's ego was inflated because he co-wrote the story. She also revealed that Reeve didn't get on with director Sidney J. Furie.
* MoneyDearBoy: According to Jon Cryer, Creator/GeneHackman apparently said this to him word for word when he asked him why he chose to do the movie.

to:

* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' would most likely might well have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when another [[Film/BatmanAndRobin set]] two]] [[Film/{{Steel}} of]] other]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started.
* HostilityOnTheSet: According to Creator/MargotKidder, Creator/MargotKidder said she and Creator/ChristopherReeve did not get along during filming. Kidder states that Reeve's ego was inflated because he co-wrote the story. She also revealed that Reeve didn't get on with director Sidney J. Furie.
* MoneyDearBoy: According to Jon Cryer, Creator/GeneHackman apparently said this to him word for word when he asked him why he chose to do the movie.



-->We were also hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks in all departments. Cannon Films had nearly thirty projects in the works at the time, and ''Superman IV'' received no special consideration. For example, Konner and Rosenthal wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations, where he gives a speech. If that had been a scene in ''Film/{{Superman}} I'', we would actually have shot it on 42nd Street. Creator/RichardDonner would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut to people gawking out of office windows at the sight of Superman walking down the street like the Pied Piper. Instead, we had to shoot at an industrial park in England in the rain with about a hundred extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere. Even if the story had been brilliant, I don't think that we could ever have lived up to the audience's expectations with this approach.
* OldShame: Creator/ChristopherReeve was deeply ashamed about this movie (and angry about the poor quality of the previous sequel, ''Film/SupermanIII''), declaring the film to be "terrible" on the eve of its release, citing a haphazard scriptwriting process and the poor quality of the film's special effects. Co-star Jon Cryer also hated the film, going so far as to deem the film ''unfinished'' as a result of its ultra-low budget.
* OneForTheMoneyOneForTheArt: Creator/ChristopherReeve did the film so the studio would produce ''Film/StreetSmart''.

to:

-->We were also hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks in all departments. Cannon Films had nearly thirty projects in the works at the time, and ''Superman IV'' received no special consideration. For example, Konner and Rosenthal wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations, where he gives a speech. If that had been a scene in ''Film/{{Superman}} ''Film/{{Superman|TheMovie}} I'', we would actually have shot it on 42nd Street. Creator/RichardDonner [[Creator/RichardDonner Dick Donner]] would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut to people gawking out of office windows at the sight of Superman walking down the street like the Pied Piper. Instead, we had to shoot at an industrial park in England in the rain with about a hundred extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere. Even if the story had been brilliant, I don't think that we could ever have lived up to the audience's expectations with this approach.
* OldShame: Creator/ChristopherReeve was deeply ashamed about this movie (and angry about the poor quality of the previous sequel, ''Film/SupermanIII''), declaring the film to be "terrible" on the eve of its release, citing a haphazard scriptwriting process and the poor quality of the film's special effects. Co-star Jon Cryer Creator/JonCryer also hated the film, going so far as to deem the film even saying it was ''unfinished'' as a result because of its ultra-low budget.
budget.
* OneForTheMoneyOneForTheArt: Creator/ChristopherReeve did the film so the studio would produce ''Film/StreetSmart''.''Street Smart''.



* PropRecycling: Surprisingly averted for this next-to-NoBudget film. The Kent farm was rebuilt in North Hertfordshire even though the set built in Alberta for the first movie was still standing.



** In the original screenplay, by Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal, Nuclear Man was able to change shape and expand in size.

to:

** In the original screenplay, by Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal, Nuclear Man was able to could change his shape and expand in size.



** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs - mostly for nightclub scenes - and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)

to:

** The planned soundtrack album (split between songs - -- mostly for nightclub scenes - -- and Alexander Courage's score) was cancelled when most of the scenes for which the chosen tracks were written got cut from the movie. (This was before the phrase "Music From And Inspired By" became the ''bête noire'' of film music fans.)



** Mr. Hornsby's actor Don Fellows also played the "I answer only to the President" general in II (his voice was redubbed in the latter; Mr. Hornsby's voice is the actor's.)

to:

** Mr. Hornsby's actor Don Fellows also played the "I answer only to the President" general in II ''II'' (his voice was redubbed in the latter; Mr. Hornsby's voice is the actor's.)actor's).

Added DiffLines:

* OneHitWonder: Acting version, for a loose definition of "wonder". This is the only film Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) made.


* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' would most likely have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when another [[Film/BatmanAndRobin set]] [[Film/{{Steel}} of]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started.

to:

* GenreKiller: If it hadn't been for ''Film/RoboCop1987'' that same year, ''Superman IV'' would most likely have killed off the superhero/comic book movie genre (Creator/TimBurton's first ''Film/{{Batman}}'' ''Film/{{Batman|1989}}'' movie came out two years later and kept the genre and DC alive until 1997, when another [[Film/BatmanAndRobin set]] [[Film/{{Steel}} of]] SnarkBait movies finished the job ''Superman IV'' started.


* StarDerailingRole: Saying Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) didn't get much work after this movie would be an understatement. [[https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/s/what-happened-to-superman-iv%E2%80%99s-nuclear-man--153703667.html This interview]] from 2013 shows that Mark is a pretty good sport about the whole affair and an example of MeanCharacterNiceActor, saying that he enjoyed his experience working with Creator/ChristopherReeve and Creator/GeneHackman but acknowledges the film was a trainwreck that pretty much torpedoed his chances of a serious acting career (and no, he also isn't sure why they decided to dub over him with Hackman's voice). He eventually settled down and became a family man.

to:

* StarDerailingRole: Saying Mark Pillow (Nuclear Man) didn't get much work after this movie would be an understatement. [[https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/s/what-happened-to-superman-iv%E2%80%99s-nuclear-man--153703667.html This interview]] from 2013 shows that Mark is a pretty good sport about the whole affair and an example of MeanCharacterNiceActor, affair, saying that he enjoyed his experience working with Creator/ChristopherReeve and Creator/GeneHackman but acknowledges the film was a trainwreck that pretty much torpedoed his chances of a serious acting career (and no, he also isn't sure why they decided to dub over him with Hackman's voice). He eventually settled down and became a family man.


* ExecutiveMeddling: Cannon cut the film's budget and the running time. Jon Cryer said that they basically released an unfinished film.

to:

* ExecutiveMeddling: Cannon cut the film's budget and the running time. Jon Cryer Creator/JonCryer said that they basically released an unfinished film.

Showing 15 edit(s) of 68

Top

How well does it match the trope?

Example of:

/

Media sources:

/

Report