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* DeletedScene: Paul 23's confession to Emma 2 that he killed the real Paul after she'd already started dating him, which partly helps tighten the pacing for the end of the episode and partly removes some UnfortunateImplications. YMMV if this was a 100% positive change or if you liked the moral ambiguity and ExistentialHorror implied by the original scene (which now only survives in the [[AllThereInTheScript script still available for download to original livestream ticket holders]]).
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* DeletedScene: Paul 23's confession to Emma 2 that he killed the real Paul after she'd already started dating him, which partly helps tighten the pacing for the end of the episode and partly removes some UnfortunateImplications.unsettling implicationsa bout their continuing relationship. YMMV if this was a 100% positive change or if you liked the moral ambiguity and ExistentialHorror implied by the original scene (which now only survives in the [[AllThereInTheScript script still available for download to original livestream ticket holders]]).
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* {{Blooper}}: While not nearly as noticeable as when a muted mic required Nick Lang to take over Jeff Blim's role as Rupert in "The Hatchetfield Ape-Man", Nick is forced here to speak the line of one of the CCRP security officers looking for Ted, who according to the credits was supposed to be played by Jaime Lyn Beatty.
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* WordOfGod: The Creator/LangBrothers said Ep. 2 of ''Nightmare Time'' was a bit of intentional GenreAdultery, a CreatorsOddball, using story ideas they'd written down initially as ScienceFiction ideas rather than HorrorComedy, needing some tweaking to make them fit into the Hatchetfield setting.
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* WordOfGod: The Creator/LangBrothers said Ep. 2 of ''Nightmare Time'' was a bit of intentional GenreAdultery, a CreatorsOddball, using story ideas they'd written down initially as ScienceFiction ideas rather than HorrorComedy, needing some tweaking to make them fit into the Hatchetfield setting.
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* TalkingToHimself: ActingForTwo is a Starkid staple, but in this episode, we get to see Lauren Lopez play both Emma and her robot double in a heated confrontation.
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** The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions (and at one point "Robot Emma"), and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being "Emdroid".
** Some fans also distinguish Emma 2 and Paul 23 from the real deal by calling them "Emma Matthews" and "Paul Perkins", derived from their joking that they'll be taking each other's names.
** The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions (and at one point "Robot Emma"), and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being "Emdroid".
** Some fans also distinguish Emma 2 and Paul 23 from the real deal by calling them "Emma Matthews" and "Paul Perkins", derived from their joking that they'll be taking each other's names.
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* RealitySubtext: Although he's [[MeanCharacterNiceActor pretty different from his character in almost every other respect]], Prof. Hidgens finally coming out as bi and describing "Chad" as TheOneThatGotAway came shortly after Robert Manion came out of the closet on social media in RealLife and confessed that he also had a male friend in the past who was his TheOneThatGotAway.
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** The date of Ted's fateful failure to confess his love to Jenny is October 17, 2004 -- exactly sixteen years prior to the date this episode first streamed live online (October 17, 2020). This is a bit of a CallBack to ''Theatre/TheTrailToOregon'', where the date the family's expedition started would be the date of that night's show minus 166 years (i.e. in 1848).
** Although he's [[MeanCharacterNiceActor pretty different from his character in almost every other respect]], Prof. Hidgens finally coming out as bi and describing "Chad" as TheOneThatGotAway came shortly after Robert Manion came out of the closet on social media in RealLife and confessed that he also had a male friend in the past who was his TheOneThatGotAway.
** The date of Ted's fateful failure to confess his love to Jenny is October 17, 2004 -- exactly sixteen years prior to the date this episode first streamed live online (October 17, 2020). This is a bit of a CallBack to ''Theatre/TheTrailToOregon'', where the date the family's expedition started would be the date of that night's show minus 166 years (i.e. in 1848).
** Although he's [[MeanCharacterNiceActor pretty different from his character in almost every other respect]], Prof. Hidgens finally coming out as bi and describing "Chad" as TheOneThatGotAway came shortly after Robert Manion came out of the closet on social media in RealLife and confessed that he also had a male friend in the past who was his TheOneThatGotAway.
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* RealitySubtext: Although he's [[MeanCharacterNiceActor pretty different from his character in almost every other respect]], Prof. Hidgens finally coming out as bi and describing "Chad" as TheOneThatGotAway came shortly after Robert Manion came out of the closet on social media in RealLife and confessed that he also had a male friend in the past who was his TheOneThatGotAway.
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* ActorShipping: People who love seeing Robert Manion and Mariah Rose Faith playing a couple finally got to officially see this in a Starkid show, albeit in a confusing, non-diegetic way, by having them play lovers in the SurrealMusicVideo for "Forever & Always".
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* ActorShipping: There was some hilarious [[CastingGag irony in the casting]] with Ted reaching untold new heights of creepiness by hitting on Emma ''at her own wedding'', and having her humiliate him by calling him on it publicly -- when this is all happening in the same Zoom window because Creator/JoeyRichter and Creator/LaurenLopez are [[CreatorCouple living together and engaged]] in RealLife. Fans were pretty delighted at being able to watch this interaction, followed by the interaction at the end where Emma ''brutally murders'' Ted with Lauren actually pretending to stab Joey in the back with a knife.
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* ActorShipping: Fans of Lauren and Joey's relationship did a lot of rejoicing over the fact that "Peanuts!" is the first duet the two of them have done onscreen together in ''over a decade'' (since their SignatureSong "Granger Danger" in ''Theatre/AVeryPotterMusical'' in 2009). Hilariously, this song is ''also'' not a love duet, and is in fact just the two of them singing about their mutual devotion to a third party (in 2009 it was Hermione, played by Bonnie Gruesen, in 2020 it's... a squirrel).
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* NarmCharm: Andrew Kilgore's death cry sounding like a bland electronic tone after passing through the MachineMonotone filter is a probably-intentional example.
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* {{Blooper}}: An extremely talked-about surreal moment after the end of "Peanuts!" and Episode Two of ''Nightmare Time'' in the original livestream -- after Creator/NickLang gave his final farewell and all the actors logged off one by one, Creator/JoeyRichter and Creator/LaurenLopez's camera stayed active (with audio muted) with Joey clearly sniffing his armpits asking if they stank and then offering them to Lauren to smell, with the two of them still alternately sniffing and discussing the matter when the feed finally cut. Fans hotly debated whether this was a real IsThisThingStillOn moment or was Joey and Lauren deliberately screwing with the audience (similar moments in ''WebVideo/AVHSChristmasCarol'''s livestreams point to it being the latter).
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Creator/JeffBlim as the Man in a Hurry (rather than Mr. Davidson or Sam) at the wedding.
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* PlayingAgainstType: Mildly -- Creator/DylanSaunders has mostly played TheBigGuy since entering the Hatchetfield series as Tom Houston, so it's a change of pace for him to show up as Andrew Kilgore's head scientist in this story, speaking in formal, educated diction with an air of cringing cowardice about the science team's investigation of Ted's origins. (Of course, if you remember him from back when he played Ja'far in ''Theatre/{{Twisted}}'' then this isn't against type at all.)
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* DirectedByCastMember: As with all the music videos' live-action footage (thanks to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic), although this one is particularly notable because the running time of this video is almost ''all'' live-action footage of Lauren and Joey against a GreenScreen, meaning the plot of this video (such as it is) was driven by their choices to a much greater degree. Creator/NickLang singled them out afterwards for being a major creative force behind "Peanuts!" being what it is.
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* ActorShipping: Fans of Lauren and Joey's relationship did a lot of rejoicing over the fact that "Peanuts!" is the first duet the two of them have done onscreen together in ''over a decade'' (since their SignatureSong "Granger Danger" in ''Theatre/AVeryPotterMusical'' in 2009). Hilariously, this song is ''also'' not a LoveDuet, and is in fact just the two of them singing about their mutual devotion to a third party (in 2009 it was Hermione, played by Bonnie Gruesen, in 2020 it's... a squirrel).
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* ActorShipping: Fans of Lauren and Joey's relationship did a lot of rejoicing over the fact that "Peanuts!" is the first duet the two of them have done onscreen together in ''over a decade'' (since their SignatureSong "Granger Danger" in ''Theatre/AVeryPotterMusical'' in 2009). Hilariously, this song is ''also'' not a LoveDuet, love duet, and is in fact just the two of them singing about their mutual devotion to a third party (in 2009 it was Hermione, played by Bonnie Gruesen, in 2020 it's... a squirrel).
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* CreatorCouple: A lot of the impetus for "Peanuts!" came from the fact that Creator/JoeyRichter and Creator/LaurenLopez live together and were able to be physically in the same space to film this video together. (As with all the music videos in ''Nightmare Time'', "Peanuts!" was mostly DirectedByCastMember, with the Creator/LangBrothers only able to give general guidance for how they wanted the video to look and trusting that Joey and Lauren would do a good job with it.)
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* CreatorCouple: A lot of the impetus for "Peanuts!" came from the fact that Creator/JoeyRichter and Creator/LaurenLopez live together and were able to be physically in the same space to film this video together. (As with all the music videos in ''Nightmare Time'', "Peanuts!" was mostly DirectedByCastMember, with the Creator/LangBrothers only able to give general guidance for how they wanted the video to look and trusting that Joey and Lauren would do a good job with it.))
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* ActorShipping: Fans of Lauren and Joey's relationship did a lot of rejoicing over the fact that "Peanuts!" is the first duet the two of them have done onscreen together in ''over a decade'' (since their SignatureSong "Granger Danger" in ''Theatre/AVeryPotterMusical'' in 2009). Hilariously, this song is ''also'' not a LoveDuet, and is in fact just the two of them singing about their mutual devotion to a third party (in 2009 it was Hermione, played by Bonnie Gruesen, in 2020 it's... a squirrel).
* CreatorCouple: A lot of the impetus for "Peanuts!" came from the fact that Creator/JoeyRichter and Creator/LaurenLopez live together and were able to be physically in the same space to film this video together. (As with all the music videos in ''Nightmare Time'', "Peanuts!" was mostly DirectedByCastMember, with the Creator/LangBrothers only able to give general guidance for how they wanted the video to look and trusting that Joey and Lauren would do a good job with it.)
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Apparently there were early plans for the song "Forever & Always" to be performed in-universe by Prof. Hidgens and Zoey -- a very melodramatic song performed by two very melodramatic musical theatre lovers -- at Paul and Emma's wedding, given that it would be wildly out-of-character for Paul and Emma to sing this song to each other themselves. This might have been necessary [[MusicalWorldHypotheses to fit the song into the universe of the show in a stage production]], but with the kind of show ''WebVideo/NightmareTime'' is it was decided it was easier to just it a SurrealMusicVideo with no direct diegetic connection to the story at all -- hence Robert Manion ended up performing this role wearing Prof. Hidgens' signature black turtleneck but not his gray wig.
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* {{Defictionalization}}: ''Averted'' for the first time with one of the EldritchAbomination dolls -- the Tinky doll we see in the livestream doesn't diegetically exist in the story at all and is only used to illustrate what the life-sized Tinky kind of looks like (but who is described as being far more horrifying in-universe, with a matted, filthy suit and a life-size motionless mask with a flapping tongue and hanging jaw). The Tinky doll does appear along with its "brothers" in the later story "The Witch in the Web".
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Creator/JeffBlim as the Man in a Hurry (rather than Mr. Davidson or Sam) at the wedding.
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* ActorShipping: People who love seeing Robert Manion and Mariah Rose Faith playing a couple finally got to officially see this in a Starkid show, albeit in a confusing, non-diegetic way, by having them play lovers in the SurrealMusicVideo for "Forever & Always".
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* ActorShipping: There was some hilarious [[CastingGag irony in the casting]] with Ted reaching untold new heights of creepiness by hitting on Emma ''at her own wedding'', and having her humiliate him by calling him on it publicly -- when this is all happening in the same Zoom window because Creator/JoeyRichter and Creator/LaurenLopez are [[CreatorCouple living together and engaged]] in RealLife. Fans were pretty delighted at being able to watch this interaction, followed by the interaction at the end where Emma ''brutally murders'' Ted with Lauren actually pretending to stab Joey in the back with a knife.
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* ActingForTwo: Played with. They're two different characters in the sense that they're physically separated by space and time, but the DramaticIrony revealed by "Time Bastard" is that the Homeless Man and present-day Ted Spankoffski are the ''same person'', including when Ted is in the same room as the Homeless Man and scoffing "What a loser".
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* ActingForTwo: Continuing the trend of ''Nightmare Time'' doing stories that it would be impossible or very difficult to literally portray onstage or onscreen, Creator/LaurenLopez plays the two Emmas without the use of any SplitScreen, just altering her position slightly and letting her tone of voice tell you which is which (and showing off some very skillful acting chops in the process).
** Creator/JoeyRichter does this at the beginning of the episode, popping into Lauren's window as the Homeless Man so he can accuse Emma of being an impostor, then immediately popping ''back'' in the window with his coat off as Ted so he can call the Homeless Man a "loser". (This is a moment deliberately designed as {{Foreshadowing}} for "Time Bastard".)
** Creator/JoeyRichter does this at the beginning of the episode, popping into Lauren's window as the Homeless Man so he can accuse Emma of being an impostor, then immediately popping ''back'' in the window with his coat off as Ted so he can call the Homeless Man a "loser". (This is a moment deliberately designed as {{Foreshadowing}} for "Time Bastard".)
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* DeletedScene: Paul 23's confession to Emma 2 that he killed the real Paul after she'd already started dating him, which partly helps tighten the pacing for the end of the episode and partly removes some UnfortunateImplications (see AuthorsSavingThrow on the YMMV tab). YMMV if this was a 100% positive change or if you liked the moral ambiguity and ExistentialHorror implied by the original scene (which now only survives in the [[AllThereInTheScript script still available for download to original livestream ticket holders]]).
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** The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions, and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being "Emdroid".
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** The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions, directions (and at one point "Robot Emma"), and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being "Emdroid".
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* FanNickname: The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions, and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being "Emdroid".
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** The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions, and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being"Emdroid"."Emdroid".
** Some fans also distinguish Emma 2 and Paul 23 from the real deal by calling them "Emma Matthews" and "Paul Perkins", derived from their joking that they'll be taking each other's names.
** The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions, and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being
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* FanNickname: The script simply calls the android "Emma 2" in the stage directions, and she doesn't get a specific name in the actual dialogue. Fans tossed around several punny nicknames for her -- "Femma", "Emmposter", "Emmabot", "[[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Other Em]]", "[[Podcast/TheMagnusArchives Not-Emma]]" -- with the most popular one to date being "Emdroid".
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* TalkingToHimself: ActingForTwo is a Starkid staple, but in this episode, we get to see Lauren Lopez play both Emma and her robot double in a heated confrontation.
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* WordOfGod: The Creator/LangBrothers said Ep. 2 of ''Nightmare Time'' was a bit of intentional GenreRoulette, GenreAdultery, using story ideas they'd written down initially as ScienceFiction ideas rather than HorrorComedy, needing some tweaking to make them fit into the Hatchetfield setting.
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* WordOfGod: The Creator/LangBrothers said Ep. 2 of ''Nightmare Time'' was a bit of intentional GenreRoulette, GenreAdultery, using story ideas they'd written down initially as ScienceFiction ideas rather than HorrorComedy, needing some tweaking to make them fit into the Hatchetfield setting.
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* RealitySubtext: Creator/LaurenLopez got engaged to Creator/JoeyRichter in July 2020, in the middle of the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, so we can assume the question of when they'll be able to have a proper wedding was on everyone's minds when the episode was written.
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* RealitySubtext: Creator/LaurenLopez got engaged to Creator/JoeyRichter in July 2020, in the middle of the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, so we can assume the question of when they'll be able to have a proper wedding was on everyone's minds when the episode was written.
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