Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
He does get his memories back, and Donna later seems to as well (we’ll have to wait and see what’s happening with her)
Changed line(s) 10 (click to see context) from:
* LyingCreator: Prior to the broadcast of this episode both Steven Moffat and Peter Capaldi made public statements to the effect that Clara could never come back, ever, after what happened to her in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven "Face the Raven"]]. However, this episode ends with Clara clearly able to make a return appearance at some point in the future. Possibly a case of ExactWords, as the Clara who's still roaming Time and Space is technically from one heartbeat ''before'' "what happened to her", not after. And since the Doctor is clearly shown to not remember Clara's appearance, voice, etc., not to mention the true depth of his feelings for her, there's next to no ''reason'' to bring them back together unless he somehow gets his memories restored — something that never happened to Donna Noble despite fan outcry. But miracles can happen...
to:
* LyingCreator: Prior to the broadcast of this episode both Steven Moffat and Peter Capaldi made public statements to the effect that Clara could never come back, ever, after what happened to her in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven "Face the Raven"]]. However, this episode ends with Clara clearly able to make a return appearance at some point in the future. Possibly a case of ExactWords, as the Clara who's still roaming Time and Space is technically from one heartbeat ''before'' "what happened to her", not after. And since the Doctor is clearly shown to not remember Clara's appearance, voice, etc., not to mention the true depth of his feelings for her, there's next to no ''reason'' to bring them back together unless he somehow gets his memories restored — something that never happened to Donna Noble despite fan outcry. But miracles can happen...eventually happens shortly before he regenerates.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* ConclusionInAnotherMedium: A downscaled version relating to ''plot points'' rather than an entire series: Viewers wondering if Rassilon ever tries to get back at the Doctor and/or if the Doctor ever speaks to Ohila again can find answers in the ExpandedUniverse stories ''ComicBook/DoctorWhoSupremacyOfTheCybermen'' (a comic book miniseries) and ''The Lost Flame'' (a BBC Audio story), respectively.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Requires Word Of God confirmation
Changed line(s) 2,5 (click to see context) from:
* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past. And then the Doctor finally comes to terms with and accepts the idea of his OWN memories of Clara being wiped, in a roundabout way calling it penance for how he treated Donna. Later, he would also change his mind about mindwiping Bill Potts in "The Pilot" when she inadvertently reminded him of this experience.
** Averted with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
** The resolution of the story arc required Moffat to provide Clara with a happy (if bittersweet) ending, while not undoing the tragedy of her death in "Face the Raven"; the solution is to give her the chance to have further adventures within the last moment of her life provided she goes back to it eventually. At the same time, he had to erase the Doctor's memory of her so he wouldn't be consumed by grief and anguish that would undermine any future relationships -- yet still establish that all the character-development moments of the past three seasons (most specifically those of "The Day of the Doctor", as well as the Twelfth Doctor's own emotional and social evolution) are maintained. The solution: The mind wipe does cause him to lose his memories of how Clara looked, talked, etc., (thus, for those who subscribe to the romantic interpretation of their relationship, this also would include related feelings for her) but his memories of the ''adventures'' he had with with her, and thus the impact they had on his character, turn out to remain substantially intact. This is supported by the fact that the Doctor's warmer personality, which evolved over two seasons thanks to his interaction with Clara, remained such into "The Husbands of River Song" and Series 10, rather than reverting to the colder, harsher Twelfth Doctor of old. However, this was ultimately a Saving Throw that needed another Saving Throw: Twelve's GrandFinale "[[Recap/DoctorWho2017CSTwiceUponATime Twice Upon a Time]]" had his memories completely restored shortly before he regenerated, as Moffat felt bad about his fate.
** The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past. And then the Doctor finally comes to terms with and accepts the idea of his OWN memories of Clara being wiped, in a roundabout way calling it penance for how he treated Donna. Later, he would also change his mind about mindwiping Bill Potts in "The Pilot" when she inadvertently reminded him of this experience.
** Averted with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
** The resolution of the story arc required Moffat to provide Clara with a happy (if bittersweet) ending, while not undoing the tragedy of her death in "Face the Raven"; the solution is to give her the chance to have further adventures within the last moment of her life provided she goes back to it eventually. At the same time, he had to erase the Doctor's memory of her so he wouldn't be consumed by grief and anguish that would undermine any future relationships -- yet still establish that all the character-development moments of the past three seasons (most specifically those of "The Day of the Doctor", as well as the Twelfth Doctor's own emotional and social evolution) are maintained. The solution: The mind wipe does cause him to lose his memories of how Clara looked, talked, etc., (thus, for those who subscribe to the romantic interpretation of their relationship, this also would include related feelings for her) but his memories of the ''adventures'' he had with with her, and thus the impact they had on his character, turn out to remain substantially intact. This is supported by the fact that the Doctor's warmer personality, which evolved over two seasons thanks to his interaction with Clara, remained such into "The Husbands of River Song" and Series 10, rather than reverting to the colder, harsher Twelfth Doctor of old. However, this was ultimately a Saving Throw that needed another Saving Throw: Twelve's GrandFinale "[[Recap/DoctorWho2017CSTwiceUponATime Twice Upon a Time]]" had his memories completely restored shortly before he regenerated, as Moffat felt bad about his fate.
to:
* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past. And then the Doctor finally comes to terms with and accepts the idea of his OWN memories of Clara being wiped, in a roundabout way calling it penance for how he treated Donna. Later, he would also change his mind about mindwiping Bill Potts in "The Pilot" when she inadvertently reminded him of this experience.
** Averted with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
**AuthorsSavingThrow: The resolution of the story arc required Moffat to provide Clara with a happy (if bittersweet) ending, while not undoing the tragedy of her death in "Face the Raven"; the solution is to give her the chance to have further adventures within the last moment of her life provided she goes back to it eventually. At the same time, he had to erase the Doctor's memory of her so he wouldn't be consumed by grief and anguish that would undermine any future relationships -- yet still establish that all the character-development moments of the past three seasons (most specifically those of "The Day of the Doctor", as well as the Twelfth Doctor's own emotional and social evolution) are maintained. The solution: The mind wipe does cause him to lose his memories of how Clara looked, talked, etc., (thus, for those who subscribe to the romantic interpretation of their relationship, this also would include related feelings for her) but his memories of the ''adventures'' he had with with her, and thus the impact they had on his character, turn out to remain substantially intact. This is supported by the fact that the Doctor's warmer personality, which evolved over two seasons thanks to his interaction with Clara, remained such into "The Husbands of River Song" and Series 10, rather than reverting to the colder, harsher Twelfth Doctor of old. However, this was ultimately a Saving Throw that needed another Saving Throw: Twelve's GrandFinale "[[Recap/DoctorWho2017CSTwiceUponATime Twice Upon a Time]]" had his memories completely restored shortly before he regenerated, as Moffat felt bad about his fate.
** The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past. And then the Doctor finally comes to terms with and accepts the idea of his OWN memories of Clara being wiped, in a roundabout way calling it penance for how he treated Donna. Later, he would also change his mind about mindwiping Bill Potts in "The Pilot" when she inadvertently reminded him of this experience.
** Averted with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
**
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
If it's a confirmed regeneration then Dalton to Sumpter isn't The Other Darrin, it's just The Nth Doctor
Deleted line(s) 13 (click to see context) :
* TheOtherDarrin: Creator/TimothyDalton was a bit busy as a main character on ''Series/PennyDreadful'' to continue the role of Rassilon, so the latter was recast as Creator/DonaldSumpter. Also counts as TheNthDoctor, considering Rassilon is a Time Lord and the last time he was seen he was getting attacked by the Simm!Master. The story "Pandoric's Box" confirms that the Simm-Master did indeed force the regeneration of Rassilon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past. And then the Doctor finally comes to terms with and accepts the idea of his OWN memories of Clara being wiped, in a roundabout way calling it penance for how he treated Donna. Later, he would also change his mind about mindwiping Bill Potts in "The Pilot" when she inadvertently reminded him of this experience.
** Averted with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
** The resolution of the story arc required Moffat to provide Clara with a happy (if bittersweet) ending, while not undoing the tragedy of her death in "Face the Raven"; the solution is to give her the chance to have further adventures within the last moment of her life provided she goes back to it eventually. At the same time, he had to erase the Doctor's memory of her so he wouldn't be consumed by grief and anguish that would undermine any future relationships -- yet still establish that all the character-development moments of the past three seasons (most specifically those of "The Day of the Doctor", as well as the Twelfth Doctor's own emotional and social evolution) are maintained. The solution: The mind wipe does cause him to lose his memories of how Clara looked, talked, etc., (thus, for those who subscribe to the romantic interpretation of their relationship, this also would include related feelings for her) but his memories of the ''adventures'' he had with with her, and thus the impact they had on his character, turn out to remain substantially intact. This is supported by the fact that the Doctor's warmer personality, which evolved over two seasons thanks to his interaction with Clara, remained such into "The Husbands of River Song" and Series 10, rather than reverting to the colder, harsher Twelfth Doctor of old. However, this was ultimately a Saving Throw that needed another Saving Throw: Twelve's GrandFinale "[[Recap/DoctorWho2017CSTwiceUponATime Twice Upon a Time]]" had his memories completely restored shortly before he regenerated, as Moffat felt bad about his fate.
** The Tenth Doctor's mind-wipe of Donna is commonly believed to be his worst moment, ignoring her consent to die and the show concentrating on ''his'' pain afterwards. The Twelfth Doctor tries to do the same to Clara, even telling her he's done it before, but she calls him out, saying she has the right to remember her past. And then the Doctor finally comes to terms with and accepts the idea of his OWN memories of Clara being wiped, in a roundabout way calling it penance for how he treated Donna. Later, he would also change his mind about mindwiping Bill Potts in "The Pilot" when she inadvertently reminded him of this experience.
** Averted with the "half-human" theory, which is often treated as borderline-heresy and has been the butt of several jokes. Here, however, it's played as a legitimate possibility, although the Doctor doesn't confirm or deny anything.
** The resolution of the story arc required Moffat to provide Clara with a happy (if bittersweet) ending, while not undoing the tragedy of her death in "Face the Raven"; the solution is to give her the chance to have further adventures within the last moment of her life provided she goes back to it eventually. At the same time, he had to erase the Doctor's memory of her so he wouldn't be consumed by grief and anguish that would undermine any future relationships -- yet still establish that all the character-development moments of the past three seasons (most specifically those of "The Day of the Doctor", as well as the Twelfth Doctor's own emotional and social evolution) are maintained. The solution: The mind wipe does cause him to lose his memories of how Clara looked, talked, etc., (thus, for those who subscribe to the romantic interpretation of their relationship, this also would include related feelings for her) but his memories of the ''adventures'' he had with with her, and thus the impact they had on his character, turn out to remain substantially intact. This is supported by the fact that the Doctor's warmer personality, which evolved over two seasons thanks to his interaction with Clara, remained such into "The Husbands of River Song" and Series 10, rather than reverting to the colder, harsher Twelfth Doctor of old. However, this was ultimately a Saving Throw that needed another Saving Throw: Twelve's GrandFinale "[[Recap/DoctorWho2017CSTwiceUponATime Twice Upon a Time]]" had his memories completely restored shortly before he regenerated, as Moffat felt bad about his fate.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 17 (click to see context) from:
** Creator/TimothyDalton was asked to reprise the role of Rassilon, but proved to be unavailable for filming, leading to the casting of Donald Sumpter in the role instead. Whether this would make the villain more threatening will never be known.
to:
** Creator/TimothyDalton was asked to reprise the role of Rassilon, but proved to be unavailable for filming, leading to the casting of Donald Sumpter Creator/DonaldSumpter in the role instead. Whether this would make the villain more threatening will never be known.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 9 (click to see context) from:
* TheOtherDarrin: Clearly, Creator/TimothyDalton is a bit busy as a main character on ''Series/PennyDreadful'' to continue the role of Rassilon, so the latter is now played by Donald Sumpter. Also counts as TheNthDoctor, considering Rassilon is a Time Lord and the last time he was seen he was getting attacked by the Simm!Master. The story "Pandoric's Box" confirms that the Simm-Master did indeed force the regeneration of Rassilon.
to:
* TheOtherDarrin: Clearly, Creator/TimothyDalton is was a bit busy as a main character on ''Series/PennyDreadful'' to continue the role of Rassilon, so the latter is now played by Donald Sumpter.was recast as Creator/DonaldSumpter. Also counts as TheNthDoctor, considering Rassilon is a Time Lord and the last time he was seen he was getting attacked by the Simm!Master. The story "Pandoric's Box" confirms that the Simm-Master did indeed force the regeneration of Rassilon.
Changed line(s) 17 (click to see context) from:
** Timothy Dalton was asked to reprise the role of Rassilon, but proved to be unavailable for filming, leading to the casting of Donald Sumpter in the role instead. Whether this would make the villain more threatening will never be known.
to:
** Timothy Dalton Creator/TimothyDalton was asked to reprise the role of Rassilon, but proved to be unavailable for filming, leading to the casting of Donald Sumpter in the role instead. Whether this would make the villain more threatening will never be known.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 6 (click to see context) from:
** The Japanese title of this episode is "At the Edge of Time" ([[NamesTheSame Not to be confused with]] the Thirteenth Doctor VR game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time''). This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
to:
** The Japanese title of this episode is "At the Edge of Time" ([[NamesTheSame ([[SimilarlyNamedWorks Not to be confused with]] the Thirteenth Doctor VR game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time''). This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 2 (click to see context) :
Changed line(s) 4,5 (click to see context) from:
* CompletelyDifferentTitle: The Hungarian title of this episode is "Öt perc a pokol" (Five Minutes to Hell).
** The Japanese title of this episode is "At the Edge of Time" ([[NamesTheSame Not to be confused with]] the VR Game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time''). This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
** The Japanese title of this episode is "At the Edge of Time" ([[NamesTheSame Not to be confused with]] the VR Game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time''). This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
to:
* CompletelyDifferentTitle: CompletelyDifferentTitle:
** The French title is "Montée en Enfer" (Ascension to Hell).
** The Hungarian title of this episode is "Öt perc a pokol" (Five Minutes to Hell).
** The Japanese title of this episode is "At the Edge of Time" ([[NamesTheSame Not to be confused with]] the Thirteenth Doctor VRGame game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time''). This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
** The French title is "Montée en Enfer" (Ascension to Hell).
** The Hungarian title of this episode is "Öt perc a pokol" (Five Minutes to Hell).
** The Japanese title of this episode is "At the Edge of Time" ([[NamesTheSame Not to be confused with]] the Thirteenth Doctor VR
Deleted line(s) 20 (click to see context) :
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 18 (click to see context) from:
** Donald Sumpter previously appeared as Enrico Casali in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E7TheWheelInSpace "The Wheel in Space"]], Commander Ridgeway in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS9E3TheSeaDevils "The Sea Devils"]], and Erasmus Darkening in ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' serial "The Eternity Trap".
to:
** Donald Sumpter Creator/DonaldSumpter previously appeared as Enrico Casali in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E7TheWheelInSpace "The Wheel in Space"]], Commander Ridgeway in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS9E3TheSeaDevils "The Sea Devils"]], and Erasmus Darkening in ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' serial "The "[[Recap/TheSarahJaneAdventuresS3E7E8TheEternityTrap The Eternity Trap".Trap]]".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 8 (click to see context) from:
* TheOtherDarrin: Clearly, Creator/TimothyDalton is a bit busy as a main character on ''Series/PennyDreadful'' to continue the role of Rassilon, so the latter is now played by Donald Sumpter. Also counts as TheNthDoctor, considering Rassilon is a Time Lord and the last time he was seen he was getting attacked by the Simms!Master. The story "Pandoric's Box" confirms that the Simms-Master did indeed force the regeneration of Rassilon.
to:
* TheOtherDarrin: Clearly, Creator/TimothyDalton is a bit busy as a main character on ''Series/PennyDreadful'' to continue the role of Rassilon, so the latter is now played by Donald Sumpter. Also counts as TheNthDoctor, considering Rassilon is a Time Lord and the last time he was seen he was getting attacked by the Simms!Master. Simm!Master. The story "Pandoric's Box" confirms that the Simms-Master Simm-Master did indeed force the regeneration of Rassilon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 5 (click to see context) from:
** Possibly since the figurative meaning of "Hell Bent" would be lost on Japanese viewers, this episode was given the title of "At the Edge of Time" (Not to be confused with the VR Game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time'') in Japan. This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
to:
** Possibly since the figurative meaning of "Hell Bent" would be lost on The Japanese viewers, title of this episode was given the title of is "At the Edge of Time" (Not ([[NamesTheSame Not to be confused with with]] the VR Game ''Doctor Who: The Edge of Time'') in Japan.Time''). This is a curious case since most of Series 9's episode titles are given direct translations of their original titles in Japan.
