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* CreatorBacklash: The song "Lay Down Your Arms" was used in the British animated film "Freddie as F.R.O.7.", a movie that nobody involved was particularly happy with. John Payne was especially embarrassed by it, since he considered the film... let's say "less than best picture material". He even turned down bothering with an edit to the song that the filmmakers requested for it.
-->'''John Payne:''' Unfortunately it was crap. [...] It got to the stage where we mixed it in Dolby Surround Sound, and the film guy comes up to me and says 'I like it when it gets to the chorus. Can you add a little bit to the chorus - and Freddie says, Lay Down Your Arms?' They tried and tried to get me to do this, but I just refused. Bad enough having the music in a film about a little green frog!
-->'''John Payne:''' Unfortunately it was crap. [...] It got to the stage where we mixed it in Dolby Surround Sound, and the film guy comes up to me and says 'I like it when it gets to the chorus. Can you add a little bit to the chorus - and Freddie says, Lay Down Your Arms?' They tried and tried to get me to do this, but I just refused. Bad enough having the music in a film about a little green frog!
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* OldShame: The song "Lay Down Your Arms" was used in the British animated film "Freddie as F.R.O.7.", a move that nobody involved was particularly happy with. John Payne was especially embarrassed by it, since he considered the film... let's say "less than best picture material". He even turned down bothering with an edit to the song that the filmmakers requested for it.
-->'''John Payne:''' Unfortunately it was crap. [...] It got to the stage where we mixed it in Dolby Surround Sound, and the film guy comes up to me and says 'I like it when it gets to the chorus. Can you add a little bit to the chorus - and Freddie says, Lay Down Your Arms?' They tried and tried to get me to do this, but I just refused. Bad enough having the music in a film about a little green frog!
-->'''John Payne:''' Unfortunately it was crap. [...] It got to the stage where we mixed it in Dolby Surround Sound, and the film guy comes up to me and says 'I like it when it gets to the chorus. Can you add a little bit to the chorus - and Freddie says, Lay Down Your Arms?' They tried and tried to get me to do this, but I just refused. Bad enough having the music in a film about a little green frog!
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* CreativeDifferences: In the late 90s, Downes and Payne were approached to make the soundtrack to a Playstation game based on Rodney Mattews' artwork. One of the game heads wanted Steve Howe to join in, but he was still busy with Yes at the time. Then when the group submitted what they had, the execs asked them for something "a bit more industrial sounding", at which point they dropped it and walked. The songs they did finish later appeared as tracks 17-22 on ''Rare''.
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* CreativeDifferences: In the late 90s, Downes and Payne were approached to make the soundtrack to a Playstation game based on Rodney Mattews' Matthews' artwork. One of the game heads wanted Steve Howe to join in, but he was still busy with Yes at the time. Then when the group submitted what they had, the execs asked them for something "a bit more industrial sounding", at which point they dropped it and walked. The songs they did finish later appeared as tracks 17-22 on ''Rare''.
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** When John Wetton first exited the group in 1983, Brad Delp of Boston fame was considered to be the replacement vocalist before Greg Lake was settled on. Rumor has it that Trevor Horn of the Buggles was also a candidate.
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** When John Wetton first exited the group in 1983, Brad Delp of Boston fame was considered to be the replacement vocalist before Greg Lake was settled on. Rumor has it that Trevor Horn of the Buggles Music/TheBuggles was also a candidate.
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* NamesTheSame: Not to be confused with another band called Asia from South Dakota, which was active from 1977 to 1982. This first band actually had a bit of trouble with the supergroup to come, because it was discovered that they hadn't secured the trademark to the name yet. [[http://www.mikecoatesguitar.com/rock-recordings Some legal proceedings later]], and the South Dakota band rebranded as Solomon Kane.
** Asia has two entirely different songs both called "I Believe", one from ''Archiva 1'' and the other from ''Omega''.
** Asia has two entirely different songs both called "I Believe", one from ''Archiva 1'' and the other from ''Omega''.
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** Supposedly, the only release of ''Anthology'' that ever included the original versions of the Wetton-era songs was in Japan.
** Japan and South Korea were the only places to get the orchestral version of "Faithful", found on their deluxe editions of ''XXX''.
** When ''Gravitas'' had acoustic versions of a few songs ("The Closer I Get to You", "Joe [=DiMaggio's=] Glove", and "Russian Dolls") spread across multiple versions, Japan got the only release which contained all three.
** Supposedly, the only release of ''Anthology'' that ever included the original versions of the Wetton-era songs was in Japan.
** Japan and South Korea were the only places to get the orchestral version of "Faithful", found on their deluxe editions of ''XXX''.
** When ''Gravitas'' had acoustic versions of a few songs ("The Closer I Get to You", "Joe [=DiMaggio's=] Glove", and "Russian Dolls") spread across multiple versions, Japan got the only release which contained all three.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: For unknown reasons, most of the John Payne albums like ''Aria'', ''Arena'', ''Aura'', etc. haven't been widely available on services like [=iTunes=] or Spotify.[[note]]Aqua is curiously the only exception to this on Spotify.[[/note]] The only way to currently stream songs like "Military Man" or "Arena" is exclusively through live albums.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: For unknown reasons, most of the John Payne albums like ''Aria'', ''Arena'', ''Aura'', etc. haven't been widely available on services like [=iTunes=] or Spotify.[[note]]Aqua [[note]]''Aqua'' is curiously the only exception to this on Spotify.[[/note]] The only way to currently stream songs like "Military Man" or "Arena" is exclusively through live albums.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: "Heat of the Moment" arguably only exists because of this. At first, the band wanted "Only Time Will Tell" to be the debut album's lead single, but the label was hesitant and basically asked them "Do you have anything else?" In response, John Wetton and Geoff Downes came up with "Heat" in just a few hours the following morning, and the rest is history.
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** Tracks 17-22 on ''Rare'' were supposed to be used in a PS1 video game, but according to the album's liner notes, it "never saw the light of day due to creative differences with the producers".
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** Tracks 17-22 on ''Rare'' were supposed to be used in a PS1 [=PS1=] video game, but according to the album's liner notes, it "never saw the light of day due to creative differences with the producers".
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* ScrewedByTheLawyers: 1997's ''Anthology'' was meant to be Asia's first compilation album with both Wetton and Payne era songs on it together. But because of a lawsuit filed by John Wetton himself, the band was forced to re-record five of his songs from scratch with John Payne on vocals. This may be the reason why no official Asia compilation has contained material from both eras since.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: On ''Armada 3'', Geoff Downes reveals that Asia was originally meant to be a 5-piece band under then name "MI5", with a different singer and John Wetton just being the bass player. Trevor Rabin of future Yes fame was the first pick, who left after a few rehearsals with the group in its infancy. The book "A Complete and Authorized Asia Biography" expands on this a bit, saying that some other vocalists they tried include Robert Fleischmann (Journey) and Roy Wood (The Move and Electric Light Orchestra)
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: On ''Armada 3'', Geoff Downes reveals that Asia was originally meant to be a 5-piece band under then name "MI5", "[=MI5=]", with a different singer and John Wetton just being the bass player. Trevor Rabin of future Yes fame was the first pick, who left after a few rehearsals with the group in its infancy. The book "A Complete and Authorized Asia Biography" expands on this a bit, saying that some other vocalists they tried include Robert Fleischmann (Journey) and Roy Wood (The Move and Electric Light Orchestra)
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* GenreKiller: The critical and commercial underperformance of ''Alpha'' is often attributed with putting the final nail in the coffin for the first wave of ProgressiveRock. Neo-prog and post-prog had both already emerged by this point, and "classic" prog's heyday had long since passed, but the release of this album coincided with many of first-wave prog's other big acts either making a GenreShift or outright disbanding.
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* A John Payne-fronted followup to ''Silent Nation'' was in the works in 2005, under the title ''The Architects of Time''. With the original lineup reunion happening just a year later, it never saw the light of day. [[note]] Although some of its material was reworked into Payne's next band, called GPS [[/note]]
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** Asia has two entirely different songs both called "I Believe", One from ''Archiva 1'' and the other from ''Omega''.
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* A John Payne-fronted followup to ''Silent Nation'' was in the works in 2005, under the title ''The Architects of Time''. With the original lineup reunion happening just a year later, it never saw the light of day. [[note]] Although some of its material was reworked into Payne's next band, called GPS [[/note]]
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* OldShame: The song "Lay Down Your Arms" was used in the British animated film "Freddie as F.R.O.7.", a move that nobody involved was particularly happy with. John Payne was especially embarrassed by it, since he considered the film... let's say "less than best picture material". He even turned down bothering with an edit to the song that the filmmakers requested for it.
-->'''John Payne:''' Unfortunately it was crap. [...] It got to the stage where we mixed it in Dolby Surround Sound, and the film guy comes up to me and says 'I like it when it gets to the chorus. Can you add a little bit to the chorus - and Freddie says, Lay Down Your Arms?' They tried and tried to get me to do this, but I just refused. Bad enough having the music in a film about a little green frog!
-->'''John Payne:''' Unfortunately it was crap. [...] It got to the stage where we mixed it in Dolby Surround Sound, and the film guy comes up to me and says 'I like it when it gets to the chorus. Can you add a little bit to the chorus - and Freddie says, Lay Down Your Arms?' They tried and tried to get me to do this, but I just refused. Bad enough having the music in a film about a little green frog!
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* CreativeDifferences: In the late 90s, Downes and Payne were approached to make the soundtrack to a Playstation game based on Rodney Mattews' artwork. One of the game heads wanted Steve Howe to join in, but he was still busy with Yes at the time. Then when the group submitted what they had, the execs asked them for something "a bit more industrial sounding", at which point they dropped it and walked. The songs they did finish later appeared as tracks 17-22 on ''Rare''.
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** Steve Lukather from Toto and Brian May of Queen fame were both planned to appear as guest guitarists on ''Aura''. Each of their schedules were already filled though, which prevented them from putting anything to tape on it.
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** In 1999, plans were starting to form for a reunion with John Wetton again. Steve Howe would be busy with Yes once more, but Wetton and Carl Palmer were on board with the idea. However, there was a catch: The reunion wouldn't include John Payne. By then, Geoff Downes was too invested with Payne to just abandon him like that, so he tried compromising. He proposed both singers being on stage together to merge the old and new eras of Asia, similar to what Yes did eight years earlier. Legal drama over the rights to the Asia name ensued, and it turned out Payne owned a 2/3 share to the Asia name, meaning the fate of a Wetton reunion was ironically in his hands. A combination of Payne believing it would cause the band to collapse and Downes perceiving a lack of interest in the US regrettably shot the idea down.
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** There was talk of having Asia tour alongside Jethro Tull in 1996, and according to John Payne, the deal was almost secured. But another band beat them to the punch at the last minute. The kicker? It was none other than Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
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** ''Aria'' had a similar lack of promotion because its initial sales were down compared to ''Aqua'' before it. Greece's leg of that album's live tour didn't even have any posters for the gig because in the promoter's own words, "word of mouth is best". The band fought tooth and nail to get the word out though, spending weeks playing live at radio stations and record stores to get any kind of airplay they could.
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** ''Aria'' had a similar lack of promotion because its initial sales were down compared to ''Aqua'' before it. Greece's leg of that album's live it, which quickly scared off many promoters. This led to a disastrous tour with decreasing audience turnouts. One date in Athens, Greece didn't even have any posters for advertising the gig because in the promoter's own words, "word of mouth is best".best", leading to only a couple hundred in the audience that night. John Payne likened it to something out of Spinal Tap. The band fought tooth and nail to get the word out though, spending weeks playing live at radio stations and record stores to get any kind of airplay they could.
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** ''Aria'' had a similar lack of promotion because its initial sales were down compared to ''Aqua'' before it. The band fought tooth and nail to get the word out though, spending weeks playing live at radio stations and record stores to get any kind of airplay they could.
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** ''Aria'' had a similar lack of promotion because its initial sales were down compared to ''Aqua'' before it. Greece's leg of that album's live tour didn't even have any posters for the gig because in the promoter's own words, "word of mouth is best". The band fought tooth and nail to get the word out though, spending weeks playing live at radio stations and record stores to get any kind of airplay they could.
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** ''Aria'' had a similar lack of promotion because its initial sales were down compared to ''Aqua'' before it. The band fought tooth and nail to get the word out though, spending weeks playing live at radio stations and record stores to get any kind of airplay they could.
