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** It's even ''worse'' for a Malkavian fledgeling. The fact that Samantha, and others, cared about and were looking for the fledgeling shows that before their embrace, they were probably a (relatively) fully functional human being with friends and family. Now they've become little more than a gibbering [[CloudCuckoolander Cloud Cuckoolander]] who can barely hold a decent conversation without descending into madness.

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** It's even ''worse'' for a Malkavian fledgeling. The fact that Samantha, and others, cared about and were looking for the fledgeling shows that before their embrace, they were probably a (relatively) fully functional human being with friends and family. Now they've become little more than a gibbering [[CloudCuckoolander Cloud Cuckoolander]] who can barely hold a decent conversation without descending into madness. Some of the Malk's dialogue choices can also reflect this, displaying a notable amount of concern about Samantha ''knowing'' about her and desperately attempting to tell her to keep quiet...only for her maddened rambling to be misinterpreted as the Player Character being high. In those scenarios, it is clear that they still care about Samantha, but their own madness gets in the way of trying to warn her.


* Heather Poe's [[spoiler: death at the hands of the Sabbat.]]
** All the more heartbreaking when, before her [[spoiler: kidnapping and murder]] she actually ''tells'' you that she had a dream about being [[spoiler: separated from you or dying]] and the only way you can prevent the latter is by sending her away, even as she she pleads and begs to stay with you. And worse, if you're Malkavian, you use [[PowerBornOfMadness Dementation]] to wipe her memories of you, [[Series/DoctorWho Donna-Noble-style]].
--> [[spoiler: "Oh Heather...I'm so sorry...I'll avenge you!!"]]

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* Heather Poe's [[spoiler: death at the hands of the Sabbat.]]
Sabbat.
** All the more heartbreaking when, before her [[spoiler: kidnapping and murder]] murder she actually ''tells'' you that she had a dream about being [[spoiler: separated from you or dying]] dying and the only way you can prevent the latter is by sending her away, even as she she pleads and begs to stay with you. And worse, if you're Malkavian, you use [[PowerBornOfMadness Dementation]] to wipe her memories of you, [[Series/DoctorWho Donna-Noble-style]].
--> [[spoiler: "Oh -->''"Oh Heather...I'm so sorry...I'll avenge you!!"]]you!!"''



* At the end of the Voerman questline, [[spoiler: if Jeanette dies, just look at the expression on Therese's face. Pure heartbreak out of the IceQueen we thought she was.]]

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* At the end of the Voerman questline, [[spoiler: if Jeanette dies, just look at the expression on Therese's face. Pure heartbreak out of the IceQueen we thought she was.]]



** Even worse, if you give the diary and the wife's amulet to Jeanette, [[spoiler: she throws both into the ocean to spite her sister (who had wanted to clear the ghosts out and sell the property), ensuring that the ghosts will be forever trapped in the hotel, unable to move on.]]
* Trying to coax V.V. on the subject of her past as a human - specifically, by calling her [[spoiler:Susan]] - will result in you being given the saddest, gentlest brush-off, even if she's in love with your character by this point. It also gives some hints of DarkAndTroubledPast for her:

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** Even worse, if you give the diary and the wife's amulet to Jeanette, [[spoiler: she throws both into the ocean to spite her sister (who had wanted to clear the ghosts out and sell the property), ensuring that the ghosts will be forever trapped in the hotel, unable to move on.]]
on.
* Trying to coax V.V. on the subject of her past as a human - specifically, by calling her [[spoiler:Susan]] Susan - will result in you being given the saddest, gentlest brush-off, even if she's in love with your character by this point. It also gives some hints of DarkAndTroubledPast for her:



* The Serial Killer has an unexpectedly sad backstory: [[spoiler: His entire family had been murdered in a botched robbery, and the men that were responsible got off with very little punishment on manslaughter charges. He ends up becoming a "serial killer" in order to get vigilante justice.]]
** What's worse is that when you confront him, he seems to only be trying to scare you off and doesn't attack directly. Once you reach him, he opens by telling you to leave because he has no conflict with you. He then explains his backstory and implies he plans to continue his "justice" on other criminals. You can choose to either kill him, leave him or persuade him away from his ways. The persuasion check is very high (level 8 of a maximum 10), however, and if you're not playing as a socially inclined character, you're unlikely to be able to get it without cheats. Which means generally, you have to choose between killing someone [[spoiler: who only wanted proper justice for his family and then lost himself to the beast]], or letting a violent and masquerade-violating killer go loose to horrifically murder whoever else he deems "deserving".

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* The Serial Killer has an unexpectedly sad backstory: [[spoiler: His entire family had been murdered in a botched robbery, and the men that were responsible got off with very little punishment on manslaughter charges. He ends up becoming a "serial killer" in order to get vigilante justice.]]
justice.
** What's worse is that when you confront him, he seems to only be trying to scare you off and doesn't attack directly. Once you reach him, he opens by telling you to leave because he has no conflict with you. He then explains his backstory and implies he plans to continue his "justice" on other criminals. You can choose to either kill him, leave him or persuade him away from his ways. The persuasion check is very high (level 8 of a maximum 10), however, and if you're not playing as a socially inclined character, you're unlikely to be able to get it without cheats. Which means generally, you have to choose between killing someone [[spoiler: who only wanted proper justice for his family and then lost himself to the beast]], beast, or letting a violent and masquerade-violating killer go loose to horrifically murder whoever else he deems "deserving".


* The chance meeting with the PC and Samantha can be quite depressing, even more so if you use the persuasive route. Samantha, a friend/relative of the PC before he/she became a vampire, tells the PC that his/her family's basically worried sick and have been looking for him/her ever since he/she disappeared. After showing great concern for the player, Samantha tells him/her that it's alright and offers to call the PC's family. The problem is, that's a Masquerade violation and you can't let her call them. If you try to persuade her that you're someone else, she'll almost ''desperately'' insist you ''have'' to be her missing loved one, you just have to be. If you're successful at convincing her, Samantha gives you ''very'' down-hearted apology of her mistake before sadly walking away. This is arguably doubles a PlayerPunch and a meanly subverted crowning moment of heart warming.

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* The chance meeting with the PC and Samantha can be quite depressing, even more so if you use the persuasive route. Samantha, a friend/relative of the PC before he/she became a vampire, tells the PC that his/her their family's basically worried sick and have been looking for him/her ever since he/she disappeared. After showing great concern for the player, Samantha tells him/her that it's alright and offers to call the PC's family. The problem is, that's a Masquerade violation and you can't let her call them. If you try to persuade her that you're someone else, she'll almost ''desperately'' insist you ''have'' to be her missing loved one, you just have to be. If you're successful at convincing her, Samantha gives you ''very'' down-hearted apology of her mistake before sadly walking away. This is arguably doubles a PlayerPunch and a meanly subverted crowning moment of heart warming.



* Arguably the fact that, in the main OldWorldOfDarkness canon, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Gehenna]] is not only proven to be real, but eventually ''occurs''; [[DoomedByCanon making everything that happens over the course of ''Bloodlines'' meaningless]]. In particular, we have [[AdventurerArchaeologist Beckett]], who researches relics of vampiric history and yet fervently ''[[FlatEarthAtheist denies]]'' that Ghenna, Caine and the Antediluvians are real.

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* Arguably the fact that, in the main OldWorldOfDarkness ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness'' canon, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Gehenna]] is not only proven to be real, but eventually ''occurs''; [[DoomedByCanon making everything that happens over the course of ''Bloodlines'' meaningless]]. In particular, we have [[AdventurerArchaeologist Beckett]], who researches relics of vampiric history and yet fervently ''[[FlatEarthAtheist denies]]'' that Ghenna, Caine and the Antediluvians are real.


*** You can actually catch her running away and escaping the building before the zombies get her. But the matter of her being a teenage drug addict who's potentially infected with the plague is still a sad reality that you can do nothing to prevent.



* And just to make sure you still haven't lost sight of your guilt, you have Julius the Thin-Blood begging for his life, begging you to find your heart as you prepare to kill him for leaking secrets of the Masquerade to an aspiring film writer.
* The second meeting with [[WhiteDwarfStarlet Ash Rivers]], after he's been captured and tortured by the [[KnightTemplar Society of Leopold]]; he's clearly both disfigured and traumatised, mumbling "No fire... no more fire... they always come back, and it always burns." Even if you set him free, he's little better, resolving to retreat into the shadows and never be seen again- something he'd been trying so hard to avoid earlier in the game.

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* And just to make sure you still haven't lost sight of your guilt, you have Julius the Thin-Blood begging for his life, begging you to find your heart as you prepare to kill him for leaking secrets of the Masquerade to an aspiring film writer.
writer. Thankfully, [[VideogameCaringPotential you can spare him]], but you are doing so at the detriment of your own life.
** Even just taking David's script makes you feel kinda crappy, especially if you're a writer yourself. The guy is clearly extremely passionate and enthusiastic about his script and you'll be destroying months of work. You also potentially got his hopes up while doing so, as the main way to get him to give it to you is to pretend you know someone who could get it made into a movie.
*** Worse still, you ''do'' know someone who could have it adapted for him; Isaac. But he's Kindred too, and would never let the project happen, even if he did read and like the script. You essentially have all the tools to make David's dream come true, but instead you pointedly avoid doing so, destroy his work, then either kill or chase off his writing partner.
* The second meeting with [[WhiteDwarfStarlet Ash Rivers]], after he's been captured and tortured by the [[KnightTemplar Society of Leopold]]; he's clearly both disfigured and traumatised, traumatized, mumbling "No fire... no more fire... they always come back, and it always burns." Even if you set him free, he's little better, resolving to retreat into the shadows and never be seen again- something he'd been trying so hard to avoid earlier in the game.



* The immediate aftermath of Griffith Park can make a player feel pretty downtrodden and hopeless; all those allies and even some friends that you've spent the game making have all turned on you and there's a blood hunt on your head. [=LaCroix=] threw you to the wolves (literally), and Nines isn't around to clear your name. One step outside your haven will have you come face-to-face with several vampires looking to kill you, and even Jack can't (or won't) offer to do much more than get you a ride. Faced with these circumstances, one can almost forgive any player who was tricked into thinking siding with the Kuei-Jin was their best choice.
* The Serial Killer has an unexpectedly sad backstory: [[spoiler: His entire family had been murdered in a botched robbery, and the men that were responsible got off with very little punishment on manslaughter charges. He ends up becoming a serial killer in order to get vigilante justice.]]

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* The immediate aftermath of Griffith Park can make a player feel pretty downtrodden and hopeless; all those allies and even some friends that you've spent the game making have all turned on you and there's a blood hunt on your head. [=LaCroix=] threw you to the wolves (literally), and Nines isn't around to clear your name. One step outside your haven will have you come face-to-face with several vampires looking to kill you, and even Jack can't (or won't) offer to do much more than get you a ride. Faced with these circumstances, one can almost forgive any player who was tricked into thinking siding with the Kuei-Jin was their best choice.
* The Serial Killer has an unexpectedly sad backstory: [[spoiler: His entire family had been murdered in a botched robbery, and the men that were responsible got off with very little punishment on manslaughter charges. He ends up becoming a serial killer "serial killer" in order to get vigilante justice.]]


** Take a look at her face after successfully convincing her you aren't her friend; she'll be wearing a devastated expression as she walks away.



** What's worse is that when you confront him, he never directly attacks you and tells you to leave because he has no conflict with you. When you finally reach him, he explains his backstory and implies he plans to continue his "justice" on other criminals. You can choose to either kill him, leave him or persuade him away from his ways. The persuasion check is very high, however, and if you're not playing as a socially inclined character, you're unlikely to be able to get it without cheats. Which means generally, you have to choose between killing someone [[spoiler: who only wanted proper justice for his family and then lost himself to the beast]], or letting a violent and masquerade-violating killer go loose to horrifically murder whoever else he deems "deserving".

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** What's worse is that when you confront him, he never directly attacks seems to only be trying to scare you off and tells doesn't attack directly. Once you reach him, he opens by telling you to leave because he has no conflict with you. When you finally reach him, he He then explains his backstory and implies he plans to continue his "justice" on other criminals. You can choose to either kill him, leave him or persuade him away from his ways. The persuasion check is very high, high (level 8 of a maximum 10), however, and if you're not playing as a socially inclined character, you're unlikely to be able to get it without cheats. Which means generally, you have to choose between killing someone [[spoiler: who only wanted proper justice for his family and then lost himself to the beast]], or letting a violent and masquerade-violating killer go loose to horrifically murder whoever else he deems "deserving".

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** There's also something particularly gutting about the fact that you can ''try'' to convince her to be your SecretKeeper, but it's impossible; if you admit it's really you, she ''always'' makes the call, no matter how high your persuasion is. The worst part is, under normal circumstances, ''she's doing the right thing!'' She truly cares for your character and is only trying to help, but in doing so, she risks both of your lives. The closest thing to a decent ending with this scene is to simply convince her you aren't... you, and that's truly heartbreaking.

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* The Serial Killer has an unexpectedly sad backstory: [[spoiler: His entire family had been murdered in a botched robbery, and the men that were responsible got off with very little punishment on manslaughter charges. He ends up becoming a serial killer in order to get vigilante justice.]]
** What's worse is that when you confront him, he never directly attacks you and tells you to leave because he has no conflict with you. When you finally reach him, he explains his backstory and implies he plans to continue his "justice" on other criminals. You can choose to either kill him, leave him or persuade him away from his ways. The persuasion check is very high, however, and if you're not playing as a socially inclined character, you're unlikely to be able to get it without cheats. Which means generally, you have to choose between killing someone [[spoiler: who only wanted proper justice for his family and then lost himself to the beast]], or letting a violent and masquerade-violating killer go loose to horrifically murder whoever else he deems "deserving".



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* The immediate aftermath of Griffith Park can make a player feel pretty downtrodden and hopeless; all those allies and even some friends that you've spent the game making have all turned on you and there's a blood hunt on your head. [=LaCroix=] threw you to the wolves (literally), and Nines isn't around to clear your name. One step outside your haven will have you come face-to-face with several vampires looking to kill you, and even Jack can't (or won't) offer to do much more than get you a ride. Faced with these circumstances, one can almost forgive any player who was tricked into thinking siding with the Kuei-Jin was their best choice.

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** The plaguebearers' leader, Bishop Vick, deserves some sympathy. His dialogue suggests that he was Embraced against his will, which drove him to madness, so he decided to take his revenge on the vampires who made him into a walking horror he'd never asked to be.


** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when she delights at the fact that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity following Imalia's disappearance, committed [[DrivenToSuicide ''suicide'']] after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch during one of Imalia's sidequests]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.

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** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when she delights at the fact that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity following Imalia's disappearance, committed [[DrivenToSuicide ''suicide'']] ''[[DrivenToSuicide suicide]]'' after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch during one of Imalia's sidequests]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.


** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when she delights at the fact that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity following Imalia's disappearance, committed ''suicide'' after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch during one of Imalia's sidequests]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.

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** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when she delights at the fact that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity following Imalia's disappearance, committed ''suicide'' [[DrivenToSuicide ''suicide'']] after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch during one of Imalia's sidequests]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.


** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when it's revealed that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity after Imalia's disappearance, committed ''suicide'' after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch after a quest that you did for her]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.

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** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when it's revealed she delights at the fact that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity after following Imalia's disappearance, committed ''suicide'' after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch after a quest that you did for her]].during one of Imalia's sidequests]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.


* Imalia was a supermodel who after accepting an award for most beautiful woman alive, was kidnapped and turned into a hideous Nosferatu by Gary Golden. She now spends her nights crying alone in a filthy basement, and puts up a bitchy facade to try to convince herself that noone will ever call her beautiful again.

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* Imalia was a supermodel who after accepting an award for most beautiful woman alive, was kidnapped and turned into a hideous Nosferatu by Gary Golden. She now spends her nights crying alone in a filthy basement, and puts up a bitchy facade to try to convince herself that noone nobody will ever call her beautiful again.again.
** Her character is made [[AssholeVictim somewhat less sympathetic]] when it's revealed that Tawni Sessions, the next hot model that rose to popularity after Imalia's disappearance, committed ''suicide'' after scandalous photos of her were leaked [[PlayerPunch after a quest that you did for her]]. This is obviously a TearJerker moment in and of itself.


* Arguably the fact that, in the main OldWorldOfDarkness canon, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Gehenna]] is not only proven to be real, but eventually ''occurs''; [[DoomedByCanon making everything that happens over the course of ''Bloodlines'' meaningless]]. In particular, we have [[AdventurerArchaeologist Beckett]], who researches relics of vampiric history and yet fervently ''denies'' that Ghenna, Caine and the Antediluvians are real.

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* Arguably the fact that, in the main OldWorldOfDarkness canon, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Gehenna]] is not only proven to be real, but eventually ''occurs''; [[DoomedByCanon making everything that happens over the course of ''Bloodlines'' meaningless]]. In particular, we have [[AdventurerArchaeologist Beckett]], who researches relics of vampiric history and yet fervently ''denies'' ''[[FlatEarthAtheist denies]]'' that Ghenna, Caine and the Antediluvians are real.


* ''VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines'' had a few saddening moments, not least of which was Heather Poe's [[spoiler: death at the hands of the Sabbat.]]

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* ''VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines'' had a few saddening moments, not least of which was Heather Poe's [[spoiler: death at the hands of the Sabbat.]]

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