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** Odin's words here might be incredibly harsh and uncalled for, but it's easy to see that they come from a place of deep disappointment and hurt. The whole unpleasant situation probably reminds him of [[spoiler:Hela]]. Anthony Hopkins' delivery of this line - "If I had not taken you in, you would not be here now to hate me" - is more sad than angry or accusing.
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** Odin's words here might be incredibly harsh and uncalled for, but it's easy to see that they come from a place of deep disappointment and hurt. The whole unpleasant situation probably reminds him of [[spoiler:Hela]].Hela. Anthony Hopkins' delivery of this line - "If I had not taken you in, you would not be here now to hate me" - is more sad than angry or accusing.
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** Odin's words here might be incredibly harsh and uncalled for, but it's easy to see that they come from a place of deep disappointment and hurt. The whole unpleasant situation probably reminds him of [[spoiler:Hela]]. Anthony Hopkins' delivery of this line - "If I had not taken you in, you would not be here now to hate me" - is more sad than angry or accusing.
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* When Loki is told of Frigga's death. A guard approaches his dungeon. We don't hear what he says, but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him. Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...
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* When Loki is told of Frigga's death. A guard approaches his dungeon. We don't hear what he says, but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him.him (which is hardly unreasonable, since Loki is a dangerous and unrepentant criminal - and that somehow makes it ''worse''). Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...
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** In light of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', it's not much of a stretch that this bloodthirsty behavior could have been how he was in the days he and Hela were out conquering the Nine Realms.
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** In light of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', it's not much of a stretch that this bloodthirsty behavior could have been how he was in the days he and Hela were out conquering the Nine Realms. Frigga was probably his MoralityChain, and without her he's experiencing SanitySlippage.
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** WordOfGod is that Loki is made aware of that his actions in a moment of petty spite played a part in his mother's death, and that "that knowledge is a source of immense grief".
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** WordOfGod WordOfSaintPaul (Creator/TomHiddleston on the DVDCommentary) is that Loki is made aware of that his actions in a moment of petty spite played a part in his mother's death, and that "that knowledge is a source of immense grief".
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* In the beginning of the film, when Loki is brought before Odin, he's calm in front of the All-Father. Defiant, even, about his actions. It isn't until Odin says, "Frigga is the only reason you are still alive and you will never see her again. You will spend the rest of your days in the dungeons," that his cocky demeanour crumbles. He even ''stumbles'' as he's led away. Which makes Frigga's decision to defy her husband and continue to see her son all the more heartwarming.
* Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jötunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin, he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to a deep well of bitterness and regret. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
-->'''Loki:''' It's not that I don't love our little talks, it's just... I don't love them.
* Frigga visits Loki while in prison. As she brings up his father, Loki shouts, "HE'S NOT MY FATHER!" Frigga then asks him, "Then am I not your mother?" Loki tries to be calm... and then gives the emotionless reply of, "You're not." She doesn't believe him.
** Then there were the hands, the tears in ''both'' their eyes, and the reveal that she was using her illusory self to visit him. At least Loki looks sorry and tries to apologize before Frigga dismisses the illusion, as if to say "I didn't mean it like that, I'm sorry". This is even sadder when Frigga dies only hours later. Those were Loki's last words to her.
* Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jötunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin, he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to a deep well of bitterness and regret. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
-->'''Loki:''' It's not that I don't love our little talks, it's just... I don't love them.
* Frigga visits Loki while in prison. As she brings up his father, Loki shouts, "HE'S NOT MY FATHER!" Frigga then asks him, "Then am I not your mother?" Loki tries to be calm... and then gives the emotionless reply of, "You're not." She doesn't believe him.
** Then there were the hands, the tears in ''both'' their eyes, and the reveal that she was using her illusory self to visit him. At least Loki looks sorry and tries to apologize before Frigga dismisses the illusion, as if to say "I didn't mean it like that, I'm sorry". This is even sadder when Frigga dies only hours later. Those were Loki's last words to her.
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* In the beginning of the film, when Loki is brought before Odin, he's calm in front of the All-Father. Defiant, even, about his actions. It isn't until Odinsays, "Frigga says that Frigga is the only reason you are he's still alive and you he will never see her again. You will spend the rest of your days in the dungeons," again that his cocky demeanour demeanor crumbles. He even ''stumbles'' as he's led away. Which makes Frigga's decision to defy her husband and continue to see her their son all the more heartwarming.
* ** Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first ''Thor'' film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jötunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin, he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to [[TheResenter a deep well of bitterness and regret.regret]]. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
-->'''Loki:''' --->'''Loki:''' It's not that I don't love our little talks, it's just... I don't love them.
* Frigga visits Lokiwhile in prison. his dungeon. As she brings up his father, Odin, Loki shouts, "HE'S NOT MY FATHER!" Frigga then asks him, "Then am I not your mother?" Loki tries to be calm... and then gives the emotionless reply of, of "You're not." She doesn't believe him.
** Then there were the hands, the tears in ''both'' their eyes, and the reveal that she was using her illusory self to visit him. At least Loki looks sorry and tries to apologize before Frigga dismisses the illusion, as if to say "I didn't mean it like that, I'm sorry". This is even sadder when Frigga dies only hours later. [[PartingWordsRegret Those were Loki's last words to her.]]
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* In the beginning of the film, when Loki is brought before Odin, he's calm in front of the All-Father. Defiant, even, about his actions. It isn't until Odin
* Frigga visits Loki
** Then there were the hands, the tears in ''both'' their eyes, and the reveal that she was using her illusory self to visit him. At least Loki looks sorry and tries to apologize before Frigga dismisses the illusion, as if to say "I didn't mean it like that, I'm sorry". This is even sadder when Frigga dies only hours later. [[PartingWordsRegret Those were Loki's last words to her.]]
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** The scene is perfectly done. She's killed, and only a second later Thor comes running in, managing to, at minimum, scar the right side of Malekith's face. Then Jane arrives and can only just stand there in shock. Then Odin arrives... and just collapses beside her.
** Before this scene, Odin realizes that it's the Dark Elves invading, and knowing they've come for Jane (who Frigga is guarding), he whispers, "Frigga..."
** Before this scene, Odin realizes that it's the Dark Elves invading, and knowing they've come for Jane (who Frigga is guarding), he whispers, "Frigga..."
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** The scene is perfectly done. She's killed, and only a second later later, Thor comes running in, managing to, at minimum, scar the right side of Malekith's face. Then Jane arrives and can only just stand there in shock. Then Odin arrives... and just collapses beside her.
** Before this scene, Odin realizes that it's the Dark Elvesinvading, and knowing invading. Knowing they've come for Jane (who (whom Frigga is guarding), he whispers, whispers "Frigga..."
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* When Loki is told; a guard approaches. We don't hear what he says but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him. Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...
* When Thor visits Loki in his cell for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before he drops the act and we see him broken in the corner with his cell in shambles, having violently grieved over Frigga's death off screen.
--> '''Loki:''' Now you see me, brother.
** If you look closely, you can see that sections of the wall have been beaten to the point that they're blackened and scuffed. If you look at Loki's feet, they're dirty and ''bloody''. It gets worse when you realize that Loki played a small but vital role in the events that led to her death; he told Kurse to 'take the stairs to the left', which allowed Kurse to drop Asgard's defenses, thus allowing Malekith and the other Elves inside.
* When Thor visits Loki in his cell for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before he drops the act and we see him broken in the corner with his cell in shambles, having violently grieved over Frigga's death off screen.
--> '''Loki:''' Now you see me, brother.
** If you look closely, you can see that sections of the wall have been beaten to the point that they're blackened and scuffed. If you look at Loki's feet, they're dirty and ''bloody''. It gets worse when you realize that Loki played a small but vital role in the events that led to her death; he told Kurse to 'take the stairs to the left', which allowed Kurse to drop Asgard's defenses, thus allowing Malekith and the other Elves inside.
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* When Loki is told; a told of Frigga's death. A guard approaches. approaches his dungeon. We don't hear what he says says, but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him. Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...
* When Thor visits Loki in hiscell dungeon for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, Malekith and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor him, he tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that realization--that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings feelings, and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before him--before he drops the act and we see him broken in the corner with his cell in shambles, having violently grieved over Frigga's death off screen.
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-->'''Loki:''' Now you see me, brother.
** If you look closely, you can see that sections of the wall have been beaten to the point that they're blackened and scuffed. If you look at Loki's feet, they're dirty and ''bloody''. It gets worse when you realize that Loki played a small but vital role in the events that led toher Frigga's death; he told Kurse to 'take "take the stairs to the left', left", which allowed Kurse to drop Asgard's defenses, thus allowing Malekith and the other Elves inside.
* When Thor visits Loki in his
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-->'''Loki:''' Now you see me, brother.
** If you look closely, you can see that sections of the wall have been beaten to the point that they're blackened and scuffed. If you look at Loki's feet, they're dirty and ''bloody''. It gets worse when you realize that Loki played a small but vital role in the events that led to
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* Odin's behavior after Frigga's death. He becomes completely bloodthirsty, not caring how many Asgardian might fall defeating the Dark Elves. When he is informed of Thor and Loki's escape, he tells the guards to stop Thor "by all means necessary". It almost crosses into NightmareFuel that the Allfather is implied to be willing to let his favorite and firstborn son be killed to stop him from defying him.
** In light of ''[[Film/ThorRagnarok Ragnarok]]'' it's not much of a stretch that this bloodthirsty behavior could have been how he was in the days he and Hela conquering the Nine Realms.
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over Frigga's death. They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionate reminiscing -- and for just a moment, the two seem like brothers again as opposed to bitter archenemies. At the end Thor, still half laughing, sadly tells Loki "I wish that I could trust you." Yet, his tone isn't harsh or a warning but instead wistful and melancholy, showing that he deeply, deeply wishes that he didn't have to treat his brother like an enemy. Even Loki is somber about it, and it may have even influenced his later actions.
* Loki's death. Even if it doesn't take. Thor's reaction when Loki is seemingly stabbed is heartbreaking. He just lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.
** After Kurse is killed, Thor runs over to Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and begs him to stay with him.
** It is unsure how much of what Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes. Thor with tears in his eyes gently shushes him and tries to calm him down, tells him that it's alright and promises to tell their father about his HeroicSacrifice. Loki just slightly shakes his head and says "I didn't do it for him" while looking Thor directly into the eyes.
** In light of ''[[Film/ThorRagnarok Ragnarok]]'' it's not much of a stretch that this bloodthirsty behavior could have been how he was in the days he and Hela conquering the Nine Realms.
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over Frigga's death. They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionate reminiscing -- and for just a moment, the two seem like brothers again as opposed to bitter archenemies. At the end Thor, still half laughing, sadly tells Loki "I wish that I could trust you." Yet, his tone isn't harsh or a warning but instead wistful and melancholy, showing that he deeply, deeply wishes that he didn't have to treat his brother like an enemy. Even Loki is somber about it, and it may have even influenced his later actions.
* Loki's death. Even if it doesn't take. Thor's reaction when Loki is seemingly stabbed is heartbreaking. He just lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.
** After Kurse is killed, Thor runs over to Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and begs him to stay with him.
** It is unsure how much of what Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes. Thor with tears in his eyes gently shushes him and tries to calm him down, tells him that it's alright and promises to tell their father about his HeroicSacrifice. Loki just slightly shakes his head and says "I didn't do it for him" while looking Thor directly into the eyes.
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* Odin's behavior after Frigga's death. He becomes completely bloodthirsty, not caring how many Asgardian Asgardians might fall defeating the Dark Elves. When he is informed of Thor and Loki's escape, he tells the guards to stop Thor "by all means necessary". It almost crosses into NightmareFuel that the Allfather is implied to be willing to let his favorite and firstborn son be killed to stop him from defying him.
** In light of''[[Film/ThorRagnarok Ragnarok]]'' ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', it's not much of a stretch that this bloodthirsty behavior could have been how he was in the days he and Hela were out conquering the Nine Realms.
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over Frigga's death. They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionatereminiscing -- and for reminiscing. For just a moment, the two seem like brothers again as opposed to bitter archenemies. At the end end, Thor, still half laughing, half-laughing, sadly tells Loki "I wish that I could trust you." Yet, his tone isn't harsh or a warning warning, but instead wistful and melancholy, showing that he deeply, deeply wishes that he didn't have to treat his brother like an enemy. Even Loki is somber about it, and it may have even influenced his later actions.
* Loki's death. [[FakingTheDead Even if it doesn'ttake. take.]] Thor's reaction when Loki is seemingly stabbed is heartbreaking. He just lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.
** After Kurse is killed, Thor runs over to Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and [[PleaseDontLeaveMe begs him to stay withhim.
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** It is unsure how much of what Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes.Thor Thor, with tears in his eyes eyes, gently shushes him and tries to calm him down, tells him that it's alright alright, and promises to tell their father about his HeroicSacrifice. Loki just slightly shakes his head and says "I didn't do it for him" while looking Thor directly into the Thor's eyes.
** In light of
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over Frigga's death. They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionate
* Loki's death. [[FakingTheDead Even if it doesn't
** After Kurse is killed, Thor runs over to Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and [[PleaseDontLeaveMe begs him to stay with
** It is unsure how much of what Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes.
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* Sif's unrequited love for Thor was hinted at in the first film, and really put on display in the second.
* While the characterisation of Malekith in the film is seen as rather flat, interviews with Creator/ChristopherEccleston reveal that Malekith's existence, and the existence of the Dark Elves in general, is rather tragic, as he had a wife and son that he lost in unknown circumstances. There were also reasons that would have been given for the Dark Elves all being behind him, that were cut.
* While the characterisation of Malekith in the film is seen as rather flat, interviews with Creator/ChristopherEccleston reveal that Malekith's existence, and the existence of the Dark Elves in general, is rather tragic, as he had a wife and son that he lost in unknown circumstances. There were also reasons that would have been given for the Dark Elves all being behind him, that were cut.
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* Sif's unrequited love for Thor was hinted at in the first ''Thor'' film, and it's really put on display in the second.
* Whilethe characterisation of Malekith Malekith's characterization in the film is seen as rather flat, interviews with Creator/ChristopherEccleston reveal that Malekith's existence, and the existence of the Dark Elves in general, is rather tragic, as he had a wife and son that he lost in unknown circumstances. There were also reasons that would have been given for the Dark Elves all being behind him, that were cut.
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* After the events of the first film and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', where a significant part of Loki's motivation for his deeds was to obtain his adoptive father's approval, Odin disowns Loki and calls him Laufeyson "Laufeyson" to his face.
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* While the characterisation of Malekith in the film is seen as rather flat, interviews with Christopher Eccleston Creator/ChristopherEccleston reveal that Malekith's existence, and the existence of the Dark Elves in general, is rather tragic, as he had a wife and son that he lost in unknown circumstances. There were also reasons that would have been given for the Dark Elves all being behind him, that were cut.
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* Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jötunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to a deep well of bitterness and regret. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
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* Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jötunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin Odin, he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to a deep well of bitterness and regret. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
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* Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jotunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to a deep well of bitterness and regret. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
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* Loki had been so desperate for his father's love in the first film that he was ready to commit genocide against Jotunheim Jötunheim (his own people who abandoned him) for him. It's truly heartbreaking to see that, between then and now, any affection that Loki once had for Odin is now entirely gone. When Loki is first brought before Odin he falls back on his old banter pretty quickly... [[SarcasmFailure but the expression on his face]] when he delivers one of his lines clearly speaks to a deep well of bitterness and regret. He has completely given up on ever gaining his father's approval.
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* In the beginning of the film, when Loki is brought before Odin, he's calm in front of the All-Father. Defiant, even, about his actions. It isn't until Odin says, "Frigga is the only reason you are still alive and you will never see her again. You will spend the rest of your days in the dungeons," that his cocky demeanour crumbles. He even ''stumbles'' as he's led away. [[spoiler:Which makes Frigga's decision to defy her husband and continue to see her son all the more heartwarming.]]
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* In the beginning of the film, when Loki is brought before Odin, he's calm in front of the All-Father. Defiant, even, about his actions. It isn't until Odin says, "Frigga is the only reason you are still alive and you will never see her again. You will spend the rest of your days in the dungeons," that his cocky demeanour crumbles. He even ''stumbles'' as he's led away. [[spoiler:Which Which makes Frigga's decision to defy her husband and continue to see her son all the more heartwarming.]]
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** Then there were the hands, the tears in ''both'' their eyes, and the reveal that she was using her illusory self to visit him. At least Loki looks sorry and tries to apologize before Frigga dismisses the illusion, as if to say "I didn't mean it like that, I'm sorry". This is even sadder when [[spoiler:Frigga dies only hours later. Those were Loki's last words to her.]]
* [[spoiler:Frigga's death. Even if a lot of people already knew it was going to happen, it was still heart-wrenching.]]
** The scene is perfectly done. [[spoiler:She's killed, and only a second later Thor comes running in, managing to, at minimum, scar the right side of Malekith's face. Then Jane arrives and can only just stand there in shock. Then Odin arrives... and just collapses beside her.]]
* [[spoiler:Frigga's death. Even if a lot of people already knew it was going to happen, it was still heart-wrenching.]]
** The scene is perfectly done. [[spoiler:She's killed, and only a second later Thor comes running in, managing to, at minimum, scar the right side of Malekith's face. Then Jane arrives and can only just stand there in shock. Then Odin arrives... and just collapses beside her.]]
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** Then there were the hands, the tears in ''both'' their eyes, and the reveal that she was using her illusory self to visit him. At least Loki looks sorry and tries to apologize before Frigga dismisses the illusion, as if to say "I didn't mean it like that, I'm sorry". This is even sadder when [[spoiler:Frigga Frigga dies only hours later. Those were Loki's last words to her.]]
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*[[spoiler:Frigga's Frigga's death. Even if a lot of people already knew it was going to happen, it was still heart-wrenching.]]
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** The scene is perfectly done.[[spoiler:She's She's killed, and only a second later Thor comes running in, managing to, at minimum, scar the right side of Malekith's face. Then Jane arrives and can only just stand there in shock. Then Odin arrives... and just collapses beside her.]]
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* [[spoiler:Frigga's funeral.]] Once the boat is lit by a fire arrow, all the ''other'' boats are lit. [[WarIsHell Many Asgardians fell that day]].
* [[spoiler:When Loki is told; a guard approaches. We don't hear what he says but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him. Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...]]
* When Thor visits Loki in his cell for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before he drops the act and [[spoiler:we see him broken in the corner with his cell in shambles, having violently grieved over Frigga's death off screen.]]
* [[spoiler:When Loki is told; a guard approaches. We don't hear what he says but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him. Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...]]
* When Thor visits Loki in his cell for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before he drops the act and [[spoiler:we see him broken in the corner with his cell in shambles, having violently grieved over Frigga's death off screen.]]
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* [[spoiler:Frigga's funeral.]] Frigga's funeral. Once the boat is lit by a fire arrow, all the ''other'' boats are lit. [[WarIsHell Many Asgardians fell that day]].
*[[spoiler:When When Loki is told; a guard approaches. We don't hear what he says but we can guess. Loki waits for the guard to leave before standing... and knocking over all his belongings. He was not allowed to go or even see Frigga's funeral, despite Odin knowing how much Frigga had meant to him. Even more tellingly, this is the first time we see Loki overtly using his power for anything other than illusions. Frigga's death is the trigger for him to launch his belongings across the room by just closing his fist...]]
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* When Thor visits Loki in his cell for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before he drops the act and[[spoiler:we we see him broken in the corner with his cell in shambles, having violently grieved over Frigga's death off screen.]]
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* When Thor visits Loki in his cell for the first time to ask for his help to stop Malekith, and Loki is all tough and defensive towards Thor, Thor tells Loki to drop his illusion. There's that split-second where Loki's eyes widen from the realization -- that here is his brother who never fails to see through him and his true feelings and that there really is no point in pretending when it's him -- before he drops the act and
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** If you look closely, you can see that sections of the wall have been beaten to the point that they're blackened and scuffed. If you look at Loki's feet, they're dirty and ''bloody''. It gets worse when you realize that [[spoiler:Loki played a small but vital role in the events that led to her death; he told Kurse to 'take the stairs to the left', which allowed Kurse to drop Asgard's defenses, thus allowing Malekith and the other Elves inside]].
** [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that Loki is made aware of that his actions in a moment of petty spite played a part in his mother's death, and that "that knowledge is a source of immense grief".]]
** The way Loki asks Thor whether [[spoiler:Frigga did suffer]] and Thor refusing the answer, telling him dismissively that he is not here to [[spoiler:share his grief]].
** [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that Loki is made aware of that his actions in a moment of petty spite played a part in his mother's death, and that "that knowledge is a source of immense grief".]]
** The way Loki asks Thor whether [[spoiler:Frigga did suffer]] and Thor refusing the answer, telling him dismissively that he is not here to [[spoiler:share his grief]].
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** If you look closely, you can see that sections of the wall have been beaten to the point that they're blackened and scuffed. If you look at Loki's feet, they're dirty and ''bloody''. It gets worse when you realize that [[spoiler:Loki Loki played a small but vital role in the events that led to her death; he told Kurse to 'take the stairs to the left', which allowed Kurse to drop Asgard's defenses, thus allowing Malekith and the other Elves inside]].
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**[[spoiler:WordOfGod WordOfGod is that Loki is made aware of that his actions in a moment of petty spite played a part in his mother's death, and that "that knowledge is a source of immense grief".]]
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'''Thor:''' I don't. [[spoiler:Mother did.]] You should know that when we fought each other in the past, I did so with a glimmer of hope that my brother was still in there somewhere. That hope no longer exists to protect you. You betray me, and I will kill you.
* Odin's behavior after [[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] He becomes completely bloodthirsty, not caring how many Asgardian might fall defeating the Dark Elves. When he is informed of Thor and Loki's escape, he tells the guards to stop Thor "by all means necessary". It almost crosses into NightmareFuel that the Allfather is implied to be willing to let his favorite and firstborn son be killed to stop him from defying him.
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over [[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionate reminiscing -- and for just a moment, the two seem like brothers again as opposed to bitter archenemies. At the end Thor, still half laughing, sadly tells Loki "I wish that I could trust you." Yet, his tone isn't harsh or a warning but instead wistful and melancholy, showing that he deeply, deeply wishes that he didn't have to treat his brother like an enemy. Even Loki is somber about it, and it may [[spoiler:have even influenced his later actions.]]
* [[spoiler:Loki's death. Even if it doesn't take.]] Thor's reaction when [[spoiler:Loki is seemingly stabbed]] is heartbreaking. He just [[spoiler:lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.]]
** After Kurse [[spoiler:is killed]], Thor runs over to [[spoiler:Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and begs him to stay with him.]]
** It is unsure how much of what [[spoiler:Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes. Thor with tears in his eyes gently shushes him and tries to calm him down, tells him that it's alright and promises to tell their father about his HeroicSacrifice. Loki just slightly shakes his head and says "I didn't do it for him" while looking Thor directly into the eyes.]]
** Then [[spoiler:Loki seems to die and Thor screams in anguish. Thor mostly managed to hold his composure when Frigga died, but he fails so with Loki, sobbing silently at his side. Jane slowly approaches and Thor can just look up at her helplessly.]]
* Odin's behavior after [[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] He becomes completely bloodthirsty, not caring how many Asgardian might fall defeating the Dark Elves. When he is informed of Thor and Loki's escape, he tells the guards to stop Thor "by all means necessary". It almost crosses into NightmareFuel that the Allfather is implied to be willing to let his favorite and firstborn son be killed to stop him from defying him.
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over [[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionate reminiscing -- and for just a moment, the two seem like brothers again as opposed to bitter archenemies. At the end Thor, still half laughing, sadly tells Loki "I wish that I could trust you." Yet, his tone isn't harsh or a warning but instead wistful and melancholy, showing that he deeply, deeply wishes that he didn't have to treat his brother like an enemy. Even Loki is somber about it, and it may [[spoiler:have even influenced his later actions.]]
* [[spoiler:Loki's death. Even if it doesn't take.]] Thor's reaction when [[spoiler:Loki is seemingly stabbed]] is heartbreaking. He just [[spoiler:lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.]]
** After Kurse [[spoiler:is killed]], Thor runs over to [[spoiler:Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and begs him to stay with him.]]
** It is unsure how much of what [[spoiler:Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes. Thor with tears in his eyes gently shushes him and tries to calm him down, tells him that it's alright and promises to tell their father about his HeroicSacrifice. Loki just slightly shakes his head and says "I didn't do it for him" while looking Thor directly into the eyes.]]
** Then [[spoiler:Loki seems to die and Thor screams in anguish. Thor mostly managed to hold his composure when Frigga died, but he fails so with Loki, sobbing silently at his side. Jane slowly approaches and Thor can just look up at her helplessly.]]
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'''Thor:''' I don't. [[spoiler:Mother did.]] Mother did. You should know that when we fought each other in the past, I did so with a glimmer of hope that my brother was still in there somewhere. That hope no longer exists to protect you. You betray me, and I will kill you.
* Odin's behavior after[[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] Frigga's death. He becomes completely bloodthirsty, not caring how many Asgardian might fall defeating the Dark Elves. When he is informed of Thor and Loki's escape, he tells the guards to stop Thor "by all means necessary". It almost crosses into NightmareFuel that the Allfather is implied to be willing to let his favorite and firstborn son be killed to stop him from defying him.
* In the realm of the Dark Elves, Thor and Loki begin to argue and then fight over[[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] Frigga's death. They are close to beating each other, but then the two fall into playful in-jokes and affectionate reminiscing -- and for just a moment, the two seem like brothers again as opposed to bitter archenemies. At the end Thor, still half laughing, sadly tells Loki "I wish that I could trust you." Yet, his tone isn't harsh or a warning but instead wistful and melancholy, showing that he deeply, deeply wishes that he didn't have to treat his brother like an enemy. Even Loki is somber about it, and it may [[spoiler:have have even influenced his later actions.]]
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*[[spoiler:Loki's Loki's death. Even if it doesn't take.]] Thor's reaction when [[spoiler:Loki Loki is seemingly stabbed]] stabbed is heartbreaking. He just [[spoiler:lost lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.]]
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** After Kurse[[spoiler:is killed]], is killed, Thor runs over to [[spoiler:Loki Loki and cradles him in his arms, [[AngerBornOfWorry calls him a fool for not "listening"]] and begs him to stay with him.]]
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** It is unsure how much of what[[spoiler:Loki Loki says is sincere, but he really ''sounds'' as if he means it when he repeatedly apologizes. Thor with tears in his eyes gently shushes him and tries to calm him down, tells him that it's alright and promises to tell their father about his HeroicSacrifice. Loki just slightly shakes his head and says "I didn't do it for him" while looking Thor directly into the eyes.]]
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** Then[[spoiler:Loki Loki seems to die and Thor screams in anguish. Thor mostly managed to hold his composure when Frigga died, but he fails so with Loki, sobbing silently at his side. Jane slowly approaches and Thor can just look up at her helplessly.]]
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* Odin's behavior after [[spoiler:Frigga's death.]] He becomes completely bloodthirsty, not caring how many Asgardian might fall defeating the Dark Elves. When he is informed of Thor and Loki's escape, he tells the guards to stop Thor "by all means necessary". It almost crosses into NightmareFuel that the Allfather is implied to be willing to let his favorite and firstborn son be killed to stop him from defying him.
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* [[spoiler:Loki's death. Even if it didn't take.]] Thor's reaction when [[spoiler:Loki is seemingly stabbed]] is heartbreaking. He just [[spoiler:lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.]]
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* [[spoiler:Loki's death. Even if it didn't doesn't take.]] Thor's reaction when [[spoiler:Loki is seemingly stabbed]] is heartbreaking. He just [[spoiler:lost his mother right in front of his eyes and can only scream helplessly while the same seems to happen to his little brother. Even worse, Thor believes that Loki died saving him.]]
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* After the events of the first film and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', where a significant part of Loki's motivation for his deeds was to obtain his adoptive father's approval, Odin disowns Loki and calls him Laufeyson to his face.
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* After the events of the first film and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', where a significant part of Loki's motivation for his deeds was to obtain his adoptive father's approval, Odin disowns Loki and calls him Laufeyson to his face.face.
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* The simple fact that, while Loki still calls Thor "brother", Thor now only addresses Loki by name. This is especially sad in contrast to Loki's vehement refusal to think of Odin as his father.
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** The way Loki asks Thor whether [[spoiler:Frigga did suffer]] and Thor refusing the answer, telling him dismissively that he is not here to [[spoiler:share his grief]]. While it becomes obvious later that Thor ''does'' still love Loki, his [[http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/exclusive:thor:thedarkworldwhendowestart-trailer/149455/2410344855 understandibly cold behaviour and obvious disappointment in Loki]] is quite painful to see:
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** The way Loki asks Thor whether [[spoiler:Frigga did suffer]] and Thor refusing the answer, telling him dismissively that he is not here to [[spoiler:share his grief]]. While it becomes obvious later that Thor ''does'' still love Loki, his [[http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/exclusive:thor:thedarkworldwhendowestart-trailer/149455/2410344855 understandibly cold behaviour and obvious disappointment in Loki]] is quite painful to see:
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** While it becomes obvious later that Thor ''does'' still love Loki, his [[http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/exclusive:thor:thedarkworldwhendowestart-trailer/149455/2410344855 understandibly cold behaviour and obvious disappointment in Loki]] is quite painful to see:
** While it becomes obvious later that Thor ''does'' still love Loki, his [[http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/exclusive:thor:thedarkworldwhendowestart-trailer/149455/2410344855 understandibly cold behaviour and obvious disappointment in Loki]] is quite painful to see:
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** The way Loki asks Thor whether [[spoiler:Frigga did suffer]] and Thor refusing the answer, telling him coldly dismissively that he is not here to [[spoiler:share his grief]]. And after that, Thor telling Loki that he does only choose to trust him because [[spoiler:Frigga did]]. Sure, Loki kind of has it coming, but it's hard not to feel sorry for him here.
**While it becomes obvious later that Thor ''does'' still love Loki, his [[http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/exclusive:thor:thedarkworldwhendowestart-trailer/149455/2410344855 understandibly cold behaviour and obvious disappointment in Loki]] is quite painful to see:
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