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* Curtis tells Frank that the reason he works with vets is because he half-wishes he had died instead of ending up crippled.
---> '''Curtis:''' You wanna know why? I'll tell you why. Cause every time I'm talking to them, I'm talking to myself. You think I don't wake up screaming? Thinking on what I used to be?
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** His little boy is hurting and the only thought in his head is to stop him hurting.
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Frank's nascent relationship with Beth has all the hallmarks of a genuine connection only for her to get [[spoiler: shot at her workplace. It is unclear whether she survives, is able to pay her medical bills, or what happens to her son (she is a single mom).]] All due to Frank's need to defend the innocence of strangers whom he arbitrarily deems worth defending.

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* Frank's nascent relationship with Beth has all the hallmarks of a genuine connection only for her to get [[spoiler: shot at her workplace. It is unclear whether she survives, is able to pay her medical bills, or what happens to her son (she is a single mom).]] All due to Frank's need to defend the innocence of strangers whom he arbitrarily deems worth defending.



* Russo's situation. His face is so scared from what Frank did to him the point that he wears a mask to cover them, he’s constantly plagued by nightmares of what Frank did to him (specifically he sees his skull) and on top of that ''he can’t even remember what he did that was so horrible'' due to Frank's injuries giving him almost full on amnesia.

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* Russo's situation. His face is so scared scarred from what Frank did to him the point that he wears a mask to cover them, he’s constantly plagued by nightmares of what Frank did to him (specifically he sees his skull) and on top of that ''he can’t even remember what he did that was so horrible'' due to Frank's injuries giving him almost full on amnesia.
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* After finally pulling himself together, letting go of his grudge with Frank and preparing to leave town with Dumont, Billy returns with a bouquet of flowers, only to drop them in a heartbroken expression when he sees Dumont choking and dying on the pavement after being pushed out of a third-storey window by Madani. Even after all the chaos he has caused, it's hard not to see Billy's face and feel at least a little bit of sympathy for the guy.

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* The season finale wrapped up in a very BittersweetEnding fashion, all things considered. While the major villains of the Season (i.e. Billy Russo and the elder Schultzes) finally went down and Amy finally manages a shot at a new, normal life, it's very obvious not everyone got out of it personally-unscathed.
** The visibly-most moral characters in the cast, Madani and Curtis, just openly became KnightInSourArmor after getting their piece of mind in seeing Russo's corpse. They even have the temerity to openly defy and obfuscate the truth in front of Mahoney himself (which, [[RefugeInAudacity admittedly]], [[BlackComedy can be a bit darkly-humorous]]). It's all but stated in subtext that whatever good relationship they have with Frank is possibly out of the window--and tragically not unreasonably.
** You may even take Dinah's [[CIAEvilFBIGood switch from Homeland Security to CIA as emblematic of this]], with her even admitting she's run deep into Frank's BlackAndGrayMorality world for too long.
** Senator David Schultz is brutally confronted by just what massive {{Hypocrite}}s and assholes his parents were--even getting an epiphany that maybe they didn't really care about him as a person, but more as a tool of their personal ambition and self-serving legacy. He definitely went out of the ordeal shaken in his self-identity. It's probably not unreasonable that he may take his parents' death under Frank a bit more detached--which no RealLife offspring really deserves to experience.
** Pilgrim still went through his OneLastJob because he feels [[IveComeTooFar he's pretty much done everything against his conscience by this point]]--even kidnapping and endangering Amy. It was only Frank's realization of his predicament that he gets a pass at life (while likely helping Frank stage his last assault on the Schultzes). One wonders, however, what effect will these events have on his psyche--and what challenges he'll face as a single father, deprived of his patrons (however evil they are), grieving for his wife, and raising two children.
** The biggest of all, of course, would still be Frank himself. He opened the Season with an officially-sanctioned clean slate, and an opportunity to finally find someplace to settle (which he hoped he would have had with Beth). The events of the entire season, compounding on all of his existing issues (plus his admission to Karen that he can't choose to love another person, but will always find another war), leaves him fully embracing his Punisher persona. He leaves the show guns blazing, screaming at his perceived enemies, utterly alone. FadeToBlack.



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* The season finale wrapped up in a very BittersweetEnding fashion, all things considered. While the major villains of the Season (i.e. Billy Russo and the elder Schultzes) finally went down and Amy finally manages a shot at a new, normal life, it's very obvious not everyone got out of it personally-unscathed.
** The visibly-most moral characters in the cast, Madani and Curtis, just openly became KnightInSourArmor after getting their piece of mind in seeing Russo's corpse. They even have the temerity to openly defy and obfuscate the truth in front of Mahoney himself (which, [[RefugeInAudacity admittedly]], [[BlackComedy can be a bit darkly-humorous]]). It's all but stated in subtext that whatever good relationship they have with Frank is possibly out of the window--and tragically not unreasonably.
** You may even take Dinah's [[CIAEvilFBIGood switch from Homeland Security to CIA as emblematic of this]], with her even admitting she's run deep into Frank's BlackAndGrayMorality world for too long.
** Senator David Schultz is brutally confronted by just what massive {{Hypocrite}}s and assholes his parents were--even getting an epiphany that maybe they didn't really care about him as a person, but more as a tool of their personal ambition and self-serving legacy. He definitely went out of the ordeal shaken in his self-identity. It's probably not unreasonable that he may take his parents' death under Frank a bit more detached--which no RealLife offspring really deserves to experience.
** Pilgrim still went through his OneLastJob because he feels [[IveComeTooFar he's pretty much done everything against his conscience by this point]]--even kidnapping and endangering Amy. It was only Frank's realization of his predicament that he gets a pass at life (while likely helping Frank stage his last assault on the Schultzes). One wonders, however, what effect will these events have on his psyche--and what challenges he'll face as a single father, deprived of his patrons (however evil they are), grieving for his wife, and raising two children.
** The biggest of all, of course, would still be Frank himself. He opened the Season with an officially-sanctioned clean slate, and an opportunity to finally find someplace to settle (which he hoped he would have had with Beth). The events of the entire season, compounding on all of his existing issues (plus his admission to Karen that he can't choose to love another person, but will always find another war), leaves him fully embracing his Punisher persona. He leaves the show guns blazing, screaming at his perceived enemies, utterly alone. FadeToBlack.
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* The season finale wrapped up in a very BittersweetEnding fashion, all things considered. While the major villains of the Season (i.e. Billy Russo and the elder Schultzes) finally went down and Amy finally manages a shot at a new, normal life, it's very obvious not everyone got out of it personally-unscathed.
** The visibly-most moral characters in the cast, Madani and Curtis, just openly became KnightInSourArmor after getting their piece of mind in seeing Russo's corpse. They even have the temerity to openly defy and obfuscate the truth in front of Mahoney himself (which, [[RefugeInAudacity admittedly]], [[BlackComedy can be a bit darkly-humorous]]). It's all but stated in subtext that whatever good relationship they have with Frank is possibly out of the window--and tragically not unreasonably.
** You may even take Dinah's [[CIAEvilFBIGood switch from Homeland Security to CIA as emblematic of this]], with her even admitting she's run deep into Frank's BlackAndGrayMorality world for too long.
** Senator David Schultz is brutally confronted by just what massive {{Hypocrite}}s and assholes his parents were--even getting an epiphany that maybe they didn't really care about him as a person, but more as a tool of their personal ambition and self-serving legacy. He definitely went out of the ordeal shaken in his self-identity. It's probably not unreasonable that he may take his parents' death under Frank a bit more detached--which no RealLife offspring really deserves to experience.
** Pilgrim still went through his OneLastJob because he feels [[IveComeTooFar he's pretty much done everything against his conscience by this point]]--even kidnapping and endangering Amy. It was only Frank's realization of his predicament that he gets a pass at life (while likely helping Frank stage his last assault on the Schultzes). One wonders, however, what effect will these events have on his psyche--and what challenges he'll face as a single father, deprived of his patrons (however evil they are), grieving for his wife, and raising two children.
** The biggest of all, of course, would still be Frank himself. He opened the Season with an officially-sanctioned clean slate, and an opportunity to finally find someplace to settle (which he hoped he would have had with Beth). The events of the entire season, compounding on all of his existing issues (plus his admission to Karen that he can't choose to love another person, but will always find another war), leaves him fully embracing his Punisher persona. He leaves the show guns blazing, screaming at his perceived enemies, utterly alone. FadeToBlack.
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\n* The season finale wrapped up in a very BittersweetEnding fashion, all things considered. While the major villains of the Season (i.e. Billy Russo and the elder Schultzes) finally went down and Amy finally manages a shot at a new, normal life, it's very obvious not everyone got out of it personally-unscathed.
** The visibly-most moral characters in the cast, Madani and Curtis, just openly became KnightInSourArmor after getting their piece of mind in seeing Russo's corpse. They even have the temerity to openly defy and obfuscate the truth in front of Mahoney himself (which, [[RefugeInAudacity admittedly]], [[BlackComedy can be a bit darkly-humorous]]). It's all but stated in subtext that whatever good relationship they have with Frank is possibly out of the window--and tragically not unreasonably.
** You may even take Dinah's [[CIAEvilFBIGood switch from Homeland Security to CIA as emblematic of this]], with her even admitting she's run deep into Frank's BlackAndGrayMorality world for too long.
** Senator David Schultz is brutally confronted by just what massive {{Hypocrite}}s and assholes his parents were--even getting an epiphany that maybe they didn't really care about him as a person, but more as a tool of their personal ambition and self-serving legacy. He definitely went out of the ordeal shaken in his self-identity. It's probably not unreasonable that he may take his parents' death under Frank a bit more detached--which no RealLife offspring really deserves to experience.
** Pilgrim still went through his OneLastJob because he feels [[IveComeTooFar he's pretty much done everything against his conscience by this point]]--even kidnapping and endangering Amy. It was only Frank's realization of his predicament that he gets a pass at life (while likely helping Frank stage his last assault on the Schultzes). One wonders, however, what effect will these events have on his psyche--and what challenges he'll face as a single father, deprived of his patrons (however evil they are), grieving for his wife, and raising two children.
** The biggest of all, of course, would still be Frank himself. He opened the Season with an officially-sanctioned clean slate, and an opportunity to finally find someplace to settle (which he hoped he would have had with Beth). The events of the entire season, compounding on all of his existing issues (plus his admission to Karen that he can't choose to love another person, but will always find another war), leaves him fully embracing his Punisher persona. He leaves the show guns blazing, screaming at his perceived enemies, utterly alone. FadeToBlack.
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* Russo situation. His face is so scared from what Frank did to him the point that he wears a mask to cover them, he’s constantly plagued by nightmares of what Frank did to him (specifically he sees his skull) and on top of that ''he can’t even remember what he did that was so horrible'' due to Franks injuries giving him almost full on amnesia.

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* Russo situation. His face is so scared from what Frank did to him the point that he wears a mask to cover them, he’s constantly plagued by nightmares of what Frank did to him (specifically he sees his skull) and on top of that ''he can’t even remember what he did that was so horrible'' due to Franks injuries giving him almost full on amnesia.



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*Rachel’s backstory is revealed and man is it rough. It turns out that she was an orphan and ran with a group of kids that did numerous “jobs” for a woman named Fiona. The last job they did resulted in all of her friends getting slaughtered and her barely escaping.
** She’s still so traumatized that the only way she can feel safe sleeping is being under the bed.



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* The Showdown Trailer for Season 2 reveals Frank falling in love with a local bartender, so much so that it seems he'll finally be able to move on, and leave the Punisher behind. Said-bartender is fatally shot in a shootout that ensues when some patrons start a fight while trying to kidnap Amy.

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* The Showdown Trailer for Season 2 reveals Frank falling in love with a local bartender, so much so that it seems he'll finally be able to move on, and leave the Punisher behind. Said-bartender is fatally shot in a shootout that ensues when some patrons start a fight while trying to kidnap Amy.
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* The Showdown Trailer for Season 2 reveals Frank fell in love with a bartender, and that he was ready to leave the Punisher behind. Said Bartender is fatally shot in a shootout that ensues when some patrons start a fight while trying to kidnap Amy.

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* The Showdown Trailer for Season 2 reveals Frank fell in love with a bartender, and that he was ready to leave the Punisher behind. Said Bartender is fatally shot in a shootout that ensues when some patrons start a fight while trying to kidnap Amy.
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* We see Russo taking care of a woman in a hospital who in what appears to be a scene intended to humanize him. It does the exact opposite as he starts tormenting the poor woman, who is scared out of her mind, restrained, and unable to speak, only capable of the softest of whimpers. She might have been a shitty mother to him, but still.
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** Earlier during the confrontation, after Russo has Frank disarm and surrender himself after Russo threatens to kill Haley and Carl, Russo taunts Frank for his emotional attachments, and as he prepares to execute him, proceeds to rant how [Russo]'s never had anyone who's cared for him. Such a rant prompts Frank to reply hurtfully that Russo had Frank and his family. Russo's response? To call bullshit on that.
--->'''Billy:''' Attachments are a weakness, Frank. I never had anyone. ''(shoots Frank in the chest)''
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--->'''Billy:''' The Punisher? What a ''crock of shit''. ''(prepares to shoot Frank again)''
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* Frank's FeverDream at the beginning of the episode, where he's forced to watch both his ''and Micro's'' families get gunned down ''right in front of him''. Jon Bernthal's performances only further emphasizes the serious toll such an event would take on Frank's mental state should it actually occur for real.

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* Frank's FeverDream [[FeverDreamEpisode fever dream]] at the beginning of the episode, where he's forced to watch both his ''and Micro's'' families get gunned down ''right in front of him''. Jon Bernthal's performances only further emphasizes the serious toll such an event would take on Frank's mental state should it actually occur for real.



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* Despite Karen Page being a satellite character with limited contribution to the plot, one can tell that Matt's "death" in ''Series/TheDefenders2017'' is underscoring almost every one of her scenes.

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* Despite Karen Page being a satellite character with limited contribution to the plot, one can tell that Matt's "death" in ''Series/TheDefenders2017'' is underscoring almost every one of her scenes. There's a lot of subtext going on, but Deborah Ann Woll portrays it so subtly that you can tell Matt is on her mind the entire time she is onscreen.



* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. His vigilante alias is all he had left, and he let it burn away to nothing. [[TragicHero He's nothing without the Punisher.]]

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* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, smashes with his sledgehammer, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. His vigilante alias is all he had left, and he let it burn away to nothing. [[TragicHero He's nothing without the Punisher.]]
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* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. His vigilante alias is all he has. [[TragicHero He's nothing without the Punisher.]]

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* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. His vigilante alias is all he has.had left, and he let it burn away to nothing. [[TragicHero He's nothing without the Punisher.]]
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* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. [[TragicHero He is incomplete without the Punisher.]]

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* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. His vigilante alias is all he has. [[TragicHero He is incomplete He's nothing without the Punisher.]]
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* Frank in general in the first half of the episode. He had just wiped out everyone involved in the death of his family (...[[CIAEvilFBIGood almost]], anyway), and had set his old skull vest on fire. Then, six months later, he becomes a member of a demolition crew...[[AndThenWhat and has no other idea what to do with his life.]] He vents his rage towards the walls he smashes, roaring out as he suffers flashbacks of his family nonstop. Feeling unable to cope, feeling unable to move on. When not a OneManArmy against crime, Frank Castle is simply a stagnantly mourning, broken man. [[TragicHero He is incomplete without the Punisher.]]
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* The montage at the beginning, showing Frank's and Billy's moments as (supposed) friends, mixed with Frank's face of disbelief that he has been betrayed by him.

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* The montage at the beginning, showing Frank's and Billy's moments as (supposed) friends, mixed with Frank's face of disbelief that he has been betrayed by him. This leads to a falling out between Frank and David.
--> '''David''': I told her everything I needed to so we can end this.
--> '''Frank''': Yeah. This did end. You, me, this place, it ended. ...I'm done.

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* After Frank's survival is revealed to the public, Ellison storms into Karen's office full of TranquilFury and simply says, "Tell me you didn't know." After all of their close working relationship so far, Karen may be on her way to alienating Ellison just as badly as she had burned her bridges with Ben Urich.

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* After Frank's survival is revealed to the public, Ellison storms into Karen's office full of TranquilFury and simply says, "Tell me "Did you didn't know." know?" After all of their close working relationship so far, Karen may be on her way to alienating Ellison just as badly as she had burned her bridges with Ben Urich.

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