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** [[spoiler:Fili and Kili]] dying is understated in itself, but throughout the book the narration makes it clear that they are the youngest and merriest of the group, which you notice a lot more when you re-read the book.

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** [[spoiler:Fili and Kili]] dying is understated in itself, but throughout the book the narration makes it clear that they are the youngest and merriest of the group, which you notice a lot more when you re-read know how Tolkien fought in {{WWI}}, makes the book.
terrible waste of a young man's life all the more poignant.



** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Kili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Fili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin just about loses his composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Kili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.

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** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Kili Fili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Fili Kili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin just about loses his composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Kili's Fili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.
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** And, in addition to losing Erebor, the beginning of Thorin's grudge against the Elves; Thranduil shows up with his army, but when he sees there's nothing they can do against Smaug, he retreats. (Several viewers have criticized him for this, but really, what was he ''supposed'' to do against a dragon?) It's not as if he doesn't care, though; you can see on his face that he hates having to do this. Unfortunately you can also see the look on Thorin's face, thus seeing his despair and utter betrayal. Their next meeting is ''not'' going to be pretty.

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** And, in addition to losing Erebor, the beginning of Thorin's grudge against the Elves; Elves. Thranduil shows up with his army, but when he sees there's nothing they can do against Smaug, he retreats. (Several viewers have criticized him for this, but really, what was he ''supposed'' to do against a dragon?) It's not as if he doesn't care, though; you can see by the look on his face that he hates ''hates'' having to do this. Unfortunately you can also see the look on Thorin's face, thus seeing witnessing his despair and utter betrayal. Their next meeting is ''not'' going to be pretty.
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** And, in addition to losing Erebor, the beginning of Thorin's grudge against the Elves; Thranduil shows up with his army, but when he sees there's nothing they can do against Smaug, he retreats. (Several viewers have criticized him for this, but really, what was he ''supposed'' to do against a dragon?) It's not as if he doesn't care, though; you can see on his face that he hates having to do this. Unfortunately you can also see the look on Thorin's face, thus seeing his despair and utter betrayal. Their next meeting is ''not'' going to be pretty.
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** [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance As you've already read the stories or watched the LOTR movies,]] [[SpannerInTheWorks Bilbo's compassion is what will save Middle-Earth.]]]]

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** [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance As you've already read the stories or watched the LOTR movies,]] [[SpannerInTheWorks Bilbo's compassion is what will save saved Middle-Earth.]]]]
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** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Fili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Kili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin just about loses his composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Fili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.

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** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Fili Kili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Kili Fili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin just about loses his composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Fili's Kili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.
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** [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance As you've read the stories or watched the movies,]] [[SpannerInTheWorks Bilbo's compassion is what saved Middle-Earth.]]]]

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** [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance As you've already read the stories or watched the LOTR movies,]] [[SpannerInTheWorks Bilbo's compassion is what saved will save Middle-Earth.]]]]
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*** According to the books, that is indeed true. Yet while the directors have gone to great lengths to be loyal to the books, there are still subtle and major differences between the two continuities. I got the sense that, in the 2012 movie, Moria’s loss was more recent. Regardless, whether or not it fell before or after Erebor, for a race as long-lived as the Dwarves, it would still be a very "recent" event by their standards.

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*** According to the books, that is indeed true. Yet while the directors have gone to great lengths to be loyal to the books, there are still subtle and major differences between the two continuities. I got the sense that, in continuity of the 2012 movie, Moria’s loss was more recent. Regardless, whether or not it fell before or after Erebor, for a race as long-lived as the Dwarves, it would still be a very "recent" event development by their standards.
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***According to the books, that is indeed true. Yet while the directors have gone to great lengths to be loyal to the books, there are still subtle and major differences between the two continuities. I got the sense that, in the 2012 movie, Moria’s loss was more recent. Regardless, whether or not it fell before or after Erebor, for a race as long-lived as the Dwarves, it would still be a very "recent" event by their standards.
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*** On the other hand, this becomes a point of pride for the Dwarves' families - "He was a burned dwarf" is a statement of pride, not shame.
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** Wait, didn't Durin's Folk lose Moria to the Balrog (not to mention the current Goblin/Mountain Orc capital Gundabad, Durin the First's birthplace) much earlier than they did Erebor to Smaug, and losing it was why they had their capitol at the Lonely Mountain instead of Moria in the first place?
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** [[spoiler:[[FridgeBrilliance As you've read the stories or watched the movies,]] [[SpannerInTheWorks Bilbo's compassion is what saved Middle-Earth.]]]]
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!!The film

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!!The first film
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** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Fili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Kili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin loses all composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Fili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.

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** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Fili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Kili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin just about loses all his composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Fili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.

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** The forest creatures dying as the Shadow spreads over Greenwood/Mirkwood.



** If this wasn’t bad enough, according to the book, after the battle where Thoren fought Azog there were so many Dwarven casualties that they couldn’t bury them in time before they were claimed “By wolves or worse”. They were forced to cremate the dead instead, which the Dwarves consider ''sacrilege''. A short while ago, Smaug incinerated hundreds of dwarves, effectively killing them and desecrating their bodies simultaneously. A few years later, a similar desecration occurred, only this time the dwarves were forced to ''inflict it on themselves.''

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** If this wasn’t bad enough, according to the book, after the battle Battle of Azanulbizar where Thoren Thorin fought Azog there were so many Dwarven casualties that they couldn’t bury them in time before they were claimed “By wolves or worse”. They were forced to cremate the dead instead, which the Dwarves consider ''sacrilege''. A short while ago, Smaug incinerated hundreds of dwarves, effectively killing them and desecrating their bodies simultaneously. A few years later, a similar desecration occurred, only this time the dwarves were forced to ''inflict it on themselves.''

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*The plight of the Erebor dwarves is one horrid tearjerker after another. Not only do they lose Erebor and all the priceless relics within, but Moria and dozens of other strongholds began to fall one after another. This would be hard for any people to endure, but Dwarves in particular value their ancestral homes in a way few humans can comprehend.
**If this wasn’t bad enough, according to the book, after the battle where Thoren fought Azog there were so many Dwarven casualties that they couldn’t bury them in time before they were claimed “By wolves or worse”. They were forced to cremate the dead instead, which the Dwarves consider ''sacrilege''. A short while ago, Smaug incinerated hundreds of dwarves, effectively killing them and desecrating their bodies simultaneously. A few years later, a similar desecration occurred, only this time the dwarves were forced to ''inflict it on themselves.''
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** Almost as a precursor to this, during the Stone Giants scene the dwarves are separated when part of the cliff they are on comes alive, with Fili and a few others being carried away. Seeing Kili reaching out helplessly to try and grab his brother's hand is bad enough, but when the giant falls and appears to have crushed the group Thorin loses all composure and runs towards the wreckage screaming Fili's name. Never mind that the rest might also have died - in the end, Thorin values his nephews above all.
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* For those who know how the book ends, many of the dwarves being as likable as they are. Especially Fili and Kili.
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** The look on Radagast's face is ''heartbreaking'' all by itself.
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* The look on Gollum's face when he knows his "precious" is lost. Bilbo can't even try to kill him after that. And even though you know what will happen with him later on, you can't help but feel at least a tad sorry for him.
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* Thorin's story. His city razed, his people mostly dead (including his grandfather and most likely his father), on a (seemingly) hopeless quest... When he turns around after Balin's InfoDump and just looks so ''broken'', you just want to give the poor guy a hug.
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* The death of [[spoiler:Sebastian, Radagast's hedgehog]]. He gets better, sure, but ''still''.
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* Seeing Frodo in the beginning, helping Bilbo get ready for his birthday party. He looks so happy and innocent and you cannot help but smile/squee at his young self. Then you remember that this is his last truly happy day. From here on out, it's all downhill for him. He'll never be truly happy again once he's become the Ringbearer.
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!!The film
* For many a longtime fan, [[http://youtu.be/G0k3kHtyoqc the trailer of the first movie]] was enough to do it.
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* ''The Hobbit'' computer game is mostly a brightly-colored, action-adventure version of [[{{JRRTolkien}} Tolkien's]] [[TheHobbit book]]. Then you get to Mirkwood, and meet Corwin, a soldier from Laketown, whose entire party was just killed by spiders, including his brother. The music alone will tear your heart out.

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* * ''The Hobbit'' computer game is mostly a brightly-colored, action-adventure version of [[{{JRRTolkien}} [[Creator/JRRTolkien Tolkien's]] [[TheHobbit book]]. Then you get to Mirkwood, and meet Corwin, a soldier from Laketown, whose entire party was just killed by spiders, including his brother. The music alone will tear your heart out.
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-->"[[spoiler: There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage, and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. But sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell.]]"

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-->"[[spoiler: There -->"[[spoiler:There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage, and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. But sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell.]]"
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** Fili and Kili dying is understated in itself, but throughout the book the narration makes it clear that they are the youngest and merriest of the group, which you notice a lot more when you re-read the book.

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** Fili [[spoiler:Fili and Kili Kili]] dying is understated in itself, but throughout the book the narration makes it clear that they are the youngest and merriest of the group, which you notice a lot more when you re-read the book.
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** Fili and Kili dying is understated in itself, but throughout the book the narration makes it clear that they are the youngest and merriest of the group, which you notice a lot more when you re-read the book.
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!!The novel


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* ''The Hobbit'' is mostly a brightly-colored, action-adventure version of [[{{JRRTolkien}} Tolkien's]] [[TheHobbit book]]. Then you get to Mirkwood, and meet Corwin, a soldier from Laketown, whose entire party was just killed by spiders; including his brother. The music alone will tear your heart out.




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* ''The Hobbit'' computer game is mostly a brightly-colored, action-adventure version of [[{{JRRTolkien}} Tolkien's]] [[TheHobbit book]]. Then you get to Mirkwood, and meet Corwin, a soldier from Laketown, whose entire party was just killed by spiders, including his brother. The music alone will tear your heart out.

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* The deaths of [[spoiler:Thorin, Fíli and Kíli]], and particularly the FinalSpeech of the former:
-->"[[spoiler: There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West. Some courage, and some wisdom, blended in measure. If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. But sad or merry, I must leave it now. Farewell.]]"

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