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** Present day Barristan is stricken by the mention of Rhaenys, remembering the young girl and her horrific death.
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** Duncan then allows Robert to appear in front of Rhaegar and lets them talk to each other. Robert explains how Rhaegar doomed Lyanna by leaving her at the Tower of Joy, and how he's now preparing Westeros to fight the Others. A thoroughly broken Rhaegar then ends the conversation by weakly asking Robert to save the realm; after the vision is over, Robert can't help but weep for his old foe.

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** Duncan then allows Robert to appear in front of Rhaegar and lets them talk to each other. Robert explains how Rhaegar doomed Lyanna by leaving her at the Tower of Joy, and how he's now preparing Westeros to fight the Others. A thoroughly broken Rhaegar then ends the conversation by weakly asking Robert to save the realm; after the vision is over, Robert can't help but weep for his old foe.foe.
* Renly reluctantly burning all his love letters from Loras, knowing that he has to end their secret relationship and take a wife and get her pregnant for the sake of maintaining succession in light of the impending Long Night.
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** Rowan would also never see her brothers again, their deaths at the Trident having happened after her abduction.

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** Rowan would also never see her brothers again, their deaths at the Trident having happened after her abduction.abduction.
* Ser Duncan grants Robert and Barristan a vision of Rhaegar on the night before the Battle of the Ruby Ford, and we see just how ''broken'' the prince was after the Green Men made him realize all his mistakes and how they've destroyed his family. Especially notable is him recounting to a younger Barristan the letter that Rhaenys sent him asking him to "beat the bad men" and then come home so that she can show off her cat; he knows that he'll never see his daughter again, and it's tearing him apart.
** Duncan then allows Robert to appear in front of Rhaegar and lets them talk to each other. Robert explains how Rhaegar doomed Lyanna by leaving her at the Tower of Joy, and how he's now preparing Westeros to fight the Others. A thoroughly broken Rhaegar then ends the conversation by weakly asking Robert to save the realm; after the vision is over, Robert can't help but weep for his old foe.
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* Mors Umber being reunited with his daughter Rowan, crying because he believed she was dead after running after her, trying to save his little girl from her Wildling rapists. Then she confesses he actually was ''that close'' to rescue her, only to fail when she was near.

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* Mors Umber being reunited with his daughter Rowan, crying because he believed she was dead after running after her, trying to save his little girl from her Wildling rapists. Then she confesses he actually was ''that close'' to rescue rescuing her, only to fail when she was near.
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* Mors Umber being reunited with his daughter Rowan, crying because he believed she was dead after running after her, trying to save his little girl from her Wildling rapists. Then she confesses he actually was ''that close'' to rescue her, only to fail when she was near.

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* Mors Umber being reunited with his daughter Rowan, crying because he believed she was dead after running after her, trying to save his little girl from her Wildling rapists. Then she confesses he actually was ''that close'' to rescue her, only to fail when she was near.near.
** Rowan would also never see her brothers again, their deaths at the Trident having happened after her abduction.
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**Jaime admitting that, for all the trouble it cost and will cost their family, Cersei was literally the only friendly face around after the Rebellion. With Tywin being constantly busy and his fellows understandably angry with him, he clung to his twin.
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** Also, even though she's been disowned and he admits that she brought it on herself, Edmure still mourns Lysa, remembering happier times.

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** Also, even though she's been disowned and he admits that she brought it on herself, Edmure still mourns Lysa, remembering happier times.times.
* Tywin's anger against Jaime vanishing when he lays eyes on the Wall and suddenly understands this is where his eldest son is going to die.
* Mors Umber being reunited with his daughter Rowan, crying because he believed she was dead after running after her, trying to save his little girl from her Wildling rapists. Then she confesses he actually was ''that close'' to rescue her, only to fail when she was near.
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* Edmure sadly reflecting on the fact that while his father rallied after the Call, his days are still clearly numbered.

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* Edmure sadly reflecting on the fact that while his father rallied after the Call, his days are still clearly numbered.numbered.
** Also, even though she's been disowned and he admits that she brought it on herself, Edmure still mourns Lysa, remembering happier times.
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* Despite the fact that he was an utter asshole, Asha is still torn by her father's death.

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* Despite the fact that he was an utter asshole, Asha is still torn by her father's death.death.
* Edmure sadly reflecting on the fact that while his father rallied after the Call, his days are still clearly numbered.
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* Rodrik Harlaw's grief at watching his nephew Harras be killed by an Other.

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* Rodrik Harlaw's grief at watching his nephew Harras be killed by an Other.Other.
* Jaime forcing Joffrey to finally accept that he's not a prince and really is a bastard.
* Despite the fact that he was an utter asshole, Asha is still torn by her father's death.
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* Jon Arryn somberly reminiscing about the misfortunes he endured every time he got married, before going to interrogate Lysa and realizing she's far too mad for him to not execute her. Leaving him with the prospect of telling his son he had to kill the boy's mother and why.

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* Jon Arryn somberly reminiscing about the misfortunes he endured every time he got married, before going to interrogate Lysa and realizing she's far too mad for him to not execute her. Leaving him with the prospect of telling his son he had to kill the boy's mother and why.why.
* Rodrik Harlaw's grief at watching his nephew Harras be killed by an Other.
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* Varys having to kill Jon Connington and Aegon, which he had to because they would have been too obstinate and unwilling to face the reality of the Call. It is also revealed that both Connington and Varys knew that Aegon was not a Targaryen, which means both men lied to a kid who probably barely even realized everything that was tied down to that name.

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* Varys having to kill Jon Connington and Aegon, which he had to because they would have been too obstinate and unwilling to face the reality of the Call. It is also revealed that both Connington and Varys knew that Aegon was not a Targaryen, which means that both men lied to a kid who probably barely even realized everything that was tied down to that name.
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** Even more, it got an innocent bystander killed. The Hetherspoons never did find their daughter.

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** Even more, it got an innocent bystander killed. The Hetherspoons never did find their daughter.daughter.
* Jon Arryn somberly reminiscing about the misfortunes he endured every time he got married, before going to interrogate Lysa and realizing she's far too mad for him to not execute her. Leaving him with the prospect of telling his son he had to kill the boy's mother and why.
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* Tyrion completely tearing apart Maggy the Frog's prophecy to Cersei counts as this when you think about it. After all, her entire antagonistic relationship towards him has been based on her belief he's destined to kill her, and now he's making it clear that the "prophecy" was probably a load of shit by a fraud, so everything she's done has been for nothing.

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* Tyrion completely tearing apart Maggy the Frog's prophecy to Cersei counts as this when you think about it. After all, her entire antagonistic relationship towards him has been based on her belief he's destined to kill her, and now he's making it clear that the "prophecy" was probably a load of shit by a fraud, so everything she's done has been for nothing.nothing.
**Even more, it got an innocent bystander killed. The Hetherspoons never did find their daughter.
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* Jon Arryn's reaction to Bronn arriving in King's Landing with the captive Lysa is to sadly reflect on all the things she did without him managing to notice it.

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* Jon Arryn's reaction to Bronn arriving in King's Landing with the captive Lysa is to sadly reflect on all the things she did without him managing to notice it.it.
* Tyrion completely tearing apart Maggy the Frog's prophecy to Cersei counts as this when you think about it. After all, her entire antagonistic relationship towards him has been based on her belief he's destined to kill her, and now he's making it clear that the "prophecy" was probably a load of shit by a fraud, so everything she's done has been for nothing.
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** At Ygritte's request, Barbrey sings "Jenny of Oldstones" one of the saddest songs in Westeros. Made sadder by the fact that Barbrey herself is haunted by the ghosts of those that she loved.

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** At Ygritte's request, Barbrey sings "Jenny of Oldstones" one of the saddest songs in Westeros. Made sadder by the fact that Barbrey herself is haunted by the ghosts of those that she loved.loved.
* Jon Arryn's reaction to Bronn arriving in King's Landing with the captive Lysa is to sadly reflect on all the things she did without him managing to notice it.
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* When Ned travels to Barrowton, he finds out that Barbrey Dustin told the Order of the Rose's Dustins to leave the keep, stating that she believes they are trying to steal the keep from her. However, when Ned gets some time alone with her, she reveals that the true reason is that Brandon Dustin looks so alike to her deceased husband Willam that she feels attracted to him, but she has been living in grief and bitterness for so long that she does not know how to deal with that.
** At Ygritte's request Barbrey sings 'Jenny of Oldstones' one of the saddest songs in Westeros. Made sadder by the fact that Barbrey herself is haunted by the ghosts of those that she loved.

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* When Ned travels to Barrowton, he finds out that Barbrey Dustin told the Order Company of the Rose's Dustins to leave the keep, stating that she believes they are trying to steal the keep from her. However, when Ned gets some time alone with her, she reveals that the true reason is that Brandon Dustin looks so alike to her deceased husband Willam that she feels attracted to him, but she has been living in grief and bitterness for so long that she does not know how to deal with that.
** At Ygritte's request request, Barbrey sings 'Jenny "Jenny of Oldstones' Oldstones" one of the saddest songs in Westeros. Made sadder by the fact that Barbrey herself is haunted by the ghosts of those that she loved.
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* When Ned travels to Barrowton, he finds out that Barbrey Dustin told the Order of the Rose's Dustins to leave the keep, stating that she believes they are trying to steal the keep from her. However, when Ned gets some time alone with her, she reveals that the true reason is that Brandon Dustin looks so alike to her deceased husband Willam that she feels attracted to him, but she has been living in grief and bitterness for so long that she does not know how to deal with that.

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* When Ned travels to Barrowton, he finds out that Barbrey Dustin told the Order of the Rose's Dustins to leave the keep, stating that she believes they are trying to steal the keep from her. However, when Ned gets some time alone with her, she reveals that the true reason is that Brandon Dustin looks so alike to her deceased husband Willam that she feels attracted to him, but she has been living in grief and bitterness for so long that she does not know how to deal with that.that.
** At Ygritte's request Barbrey sings 'Jenny of Oldstones' one of the saddest songs in Westeros. Made sadder by the fact that Barbrey herself is haunted by the ghosts of those that she loved.
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* Varys having to kill Jon Connington and Aegon, which he had to because they would have been too obstinate and unwilling to face the reality of the Call. It is also revealed that both Connington and Varys knew that Aegon was not a Targaryen, which means both men lied to a kid who probably barely even realized everything that was tied down to that name.

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* Varys having to kill Jon Connington and Aegon, which he had to because they would have been too obstinate and unwilling to face the reality of the Call. It is also revealed that both Connington and Varys knew that Aegon was not a Targaryen, which means both men lied to a kid who probably barely even realized everything that was tied down to that name.name.
* When Ned travels to Barrowton, he finds out that Barbrey Dustin told the Order of the Rose's Dustins to leave the keep, stating that she believes they are trying to steal the keep from her. However, when Ned gets some time alone with her, she reveals that the true reason is that Brandon Dustin looks so alike to her deceased husband Willam that she feels attracted to him, but she has been living in grief and bitterness for so long that she does not know how to deal with that.
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-->'''Robert:''' No. Gods, you can't even defend yourself, and I'll not kill such a man, despite what you've done. No. You'll go to the Wall. You'll defend us all. And no more smirking. We need you, [[NeverLiveItDown Kingslayer]]. And I keep my word. You'll go to the Wall. Learn from my example.

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-->'''Robert:''' No. Gods, you can't even defend yourself, and I'll not kill such a man, despite what you've done. No. You'll go to the Wall. You'll defend us all. And no more smirking. We need you, [[NeverLiveItDown [[OnceDoneNeverForgotten Kingslayer]]. And I keep my word. You'll go to the Wall. Learn from my example.
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** Worse still is the cause of the tragedy: not a plot or a conspiracy, just a single, overeager pyromancer wanting so badly to aid his king, who brewed a batch of wildfire that was hotter than the rest, causing the mix to go horribly out of control.

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** Worse still is the cause of the tragedy: not a plot or a conspiracy, just a single, overeager pyromancer wanting so badly to aid help his king, king succeed, who brewed a batch of wildfire that was hotter than the rest, causing the mix to go horribly out of control.

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-->'''Robert''': No. Gods, you can't even defend yourself, and I'll not kill such a man, despite what you've done. No. You'll go to the Wall. You'll defend us all. And no more smirking. We need you, [[NeverLiveItDown Kingslayer]]. And I keep my word. You'll go to the Wall. Learn from my example.

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-->'''Robert''': -->'''Robert:''' No. Gods, you can't even defend yourself, and I'll not kill such a man, despite what you've done. No. You'll go to the Wall. You'll defend us all. And no more smirking. We need you, [[NeverLiveItDown Kingslayer]]. And I keep my word. You'll go to the Wall. Learn from my example.



** Made worse when Tywin [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much she's screwed up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin promised her future husband would be kind to her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.
** During his rant, Tywin states that, for the first time in his life, he's almost grateful his wife is dead because knowing what her twins were doing would have broken her heart.
** Tywin makes it clear that pretty much the only reason he doesn't kill Cersei himself is because he doesn't want to disgrace the Lannister name any more than she already has by slaying his own daughter. He flatly tells her that she is an utter disgrace and washes his hands of her before leaving her in her cell.

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** Made worse when Tywin [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much badly she's screwed up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour honor of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin promised her future husband would be kind to her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.
** During his rant, Tywin states that, for the first time in his life, he's almost grateful that his wife is dead dead, because knowing what her twins were had been doing would have broken her heart.
** Tywin also makes it clear that pretty much the only reason he doesn't kill Cersei himself is because he doesn't want to disgrace the Lannister name any more than she Cersei already has by slaying his own daughter.becoming a kinslayer. He flatly tells her that she is an utter disgrace and washes his hands of her before leaving her in her cell.


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** Worse still is the cause of the tragedy: not a plot or a conspiracy, just a single, overeager pyromancer wanting so badly to aid his king, who brewed a batch of wildfire that was hotter than the rest, causing the mix to go horribly out of control.
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* Ser Duncan relating the tragedy of Summerhall, and the sorrow he felt when his friend and liege Aegon the Unlikely ordered Duncan to leave him behind in the flames with his dead son.

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* Ser Duncan relating the tragedy of Summerhall, and the sorrow he felt when his friend and liege Aegon the Unlikely ordered Duncan to leave him behind in the flames with his dead son.son.
* Varys having to kill Jon Connington and Aegon, which he had to because they would have been too obstinate and unwilling to face the reality of the Call. It is also revealed that both Connington and Varys knew that Aegon was not a Targaryen, which means both men lied to a kid who probably barely even realized everything that was tied down to that name.
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* Daenerys hears of the wildfire plot and rocked to finally understand just how twisted and insane her father was. Also, how her brother must have known of this and had a hand in it.

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* Daenerys hears of the wildfire plot and rocked to finally understand just how twisted and insane her father was. Also, how her brother must have known of this and had a hand in it.it.
* Ser Duncan relating the tragedy of Summerhall, and the sorrow he felt when his friend and liege Aegon the Unlikely ordered Duncan to leave him behind in the flames with his dead son.
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** Tywin makes it clear that pretty much the only reason he doesn't kill Cersei himself is because he doesn't want to disgrace the Lannister name any more than she already has by slaying his own daughter. He flatly tells her that she is an utter disgrace and washes his hands of her before leaving her in her cell.

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** Tywin makes it clear that pretty much the only reason he doesn't kill Cersei himself is because he doesn't want to disgrace the Lannister name any more than she already has by slaying his own daughter. He flatly tells her that she is an utter disgrace and washes his hands of her before leaving her in her cell.cell.
* Daenerys hears of the wildfire plot and rocked to finally understand just how twisted and insane her father was. Also, how her brother must have known of this and had a hand in it.
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** Made worse when Tywin [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much she's screwed up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin has promised to be kind to her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.

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** Made worse when Tywin [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much she's screwed up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin has promised to her future husband would be kind to her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.
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** During his rant, Tywin states that, for the first time in his life, he's almost grateful his wife is dead because knowing what her twins were doing would have broken her heart.

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** During his rant, Tywin states that, for the first time in his life, he's almost grateful his wife is dead because knowing what her twins were doing would have broken her heart.heart.
** Tywin makes it clear that pretty much the only reason he doesn't kill Cersei himself is because he doesn't want to disgrace the Lannister name any more than she already has by slaying his own daughter. He flatly tells her that she is an utter disgrace and washes his hands of her before leaving her in her cell.
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** Made worse when Tywin [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much she's screwed up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin has promised to be kind to her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.

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** Made worse when Tywin [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much she's screwed up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin has promised to be kind to her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.that.
** During his rant, Tywin states that, for the first time in his life, he's almost grateful his wife is dead because knowing what her twins were doing would have broken her heart.
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** Made worse when Tywin talks to Cersei about how much she's screwed up, he mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness[=/=]instability, and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now that promising future is gone, she's completely aware of it, Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Tywin will be kind to her.

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** Made worse when Tywin talks [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech spells out to Cersei about how much she's screwed up, he up]]. He mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness[=/=]instability, madness/instability (Tommen, though nice, is a bit cat-crazy), and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now now, that promising future is gone, [[WiseBeyondTheirYears she's completely aware of it, it]], Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Grandfather Tywin will has promised to be kind to her.her. Tywin even says that even he wanted to weep at that.
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** Made worse when Tywin talks to Cersi about how much she's screwed up, he mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness[=/=]instability, and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now that promising future is gone, she's completely aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Tywin will be kind to her.

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** Made worse when Tywin talks to Cersi Cersei about how much she's screwed up, he mentions that Myrcella is the only one of her children to escape the taint of madness[=/=]instability, and he talks about how promising she was, how intelligent and practical she is, how the heirs of the great houses would be clambering over each other for the honour of marrying her, how she had a good chance of marrying [[TheAce Robb Stark]]... and now that promising future is gone, she's completely aware of it, Tywin can ''tell'' she's aware of it, and the only good thing she has left is that Tywin will be kind to her.

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