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** Even his ''design'' is evocative of what it means to be the Soul of Cinder; compared to nearly every other proper armor set in the series (with the Elite Knight and Faraam sets coming readily to mind), this thing's armor is positively decrepit with the burnt tatters of what might have been a cape and tabard barely clinging to armor that's been charred so long it looks ''skeletal''. The helmet design is also quite sad, as the back of it forms a sort of half-crown that looks to have been melted down time and again, and the shape of the visor isn't a neutral slit like with the other canon armor sets; the way it arches up and the shape of the eyeholes makes it look like the wearer is perpetually on the verge of tears.

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** Even his ''design'' is evocative of what it means to be the Soul of Cinder; compared to nearly every other proper armor set in the series (with the Elite Knight and Faraam sets coming readily to mind), this thing's armor is positively decrepit with the burnt tatters of what might have been a cape and tabard barely clinging to armor that's been charred so long it looks ''skeletal''. The helmet design is also quite sad, as the back of it forms a sort of half-crown that looks to have been melted down time and again, and the shape of the visor isn't a neutral slit like with the other canon armor sets; the way it arches up and the shape of the eyeholes makes it look like the wearer is perpetually on the verge of tears. This, coupled by promo art showing it to be miserable or hopeless, only paints a clear picture as to how much agony the Soul must be feeling ''just from merely existing''.
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* Greirat's storyline - a petty thief asks you to bring a ring to an old woman named Loretta, nothing special, right? Well... [[spoiler:Once you get to Undead Settlement you find a body clutching a bone named "Loretta's Bone". Once you give it to Greirat he acts surprised that she's already dead but tries to laugh it off as 'almost a relief' and tells you to keep the ring. Once you come back, however, he's curled up, repeating to himself about how Loretta's dead.]] And if that wasn't bad enough: [[spoiler:The ring you were supposed to give her is the ''Blue Tearstone Ring''. You know, the ring that significantly boosts your resilience when you are near death? Suddenly him insisting that you get the ring to her as fast as possible takes on a new meaning.]]
** Hell, it could get even worse for him if you take this to its logical conclusion; throughout the game Greirat offers to go out plundering for you, and you get rewarded with new items to buy from him when he gets back. [[spoiler:Except for the second time he goes out, where he'll get murdered in Irithyll if neither Siegward nor Patches is there to save him. And the third time, where he's guaranteed to get murdered in Lothric Castle without any way of saving him. Given that Greirat lost someone very close to him in Loretta, his plundering could be seen as attempting SuicideByCop since he really has [[DeathSeeker nothing left to live for.]]]] This poor fella just can't catch a break, can he?
* The entire game is basically one long, utterly painful analogy for a person's last moments. Every combat-related (Siegward, Sirris, Anri, etc.) NPC quest you take will, ultimately, end up with the NPC in question dead, whilst merchant [=NPCs=] get hit with the sadness just as hard. To wit, completing Siegward's and Sirris's respective questlines will entail each of them fulfilling a MercyKill promise for someone dear to them; [[spoiler:Yhorm the Giant for Siegward, Holy Knight Hodrick for Sirris]]. After it all, they relinquish their possessions to you and then die, alongside the people they upheld their promises to with your assistance. Anri's is sadder, as they either leave to Hollow out in the Cathedral of the Deep, presumably content with the death of Aldrich and distraught over Horace's disappearance, gets put down trying to avenge Horace's death, or are forcibly turned into a Lord/Lady of Hollows for the Ashen One. Yeah, with a silent death being a HAPPY ending, you know Dark Souls III's turned up the [[CrapsackWorld craptasticness of the world]] [[UpToEleven up a notch]].

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* Greirat's storyline - a petty thief asks you to bring a ring to an old woman named Loretta, nothing special, right? Well... [[spoiler:Once Once you get to Undead Settlement you find a body clutching a bone named "Loretta's Bone". Once you give it to Greirat he acts surprised that she's already dead but tries to laugh it off as 'almost a relief' and tells you to keep the ring. Once you come back, however, he's curled up, repeating to himself about how Loretta's dead.]] And if that wasn't bad enough: [[spoiler:The The ring you were supposed to give her is the ''Blue Tearstone Ring''. You know, the ring that significantly boosts your resilience when you are near death? Suddenly him insisting that you get the ring to her as fast as possible takes on a new meaning.]]
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** Hell, it It could get even worse for him if you take this to its logical conclusion; throughout the game Greirat offers to go out plundering for you, and you get rewarded with new items to buy from him when he gets back. [[spoiler:Except Except for the second time he goes out, where he'll get murdered in Irithyll if neither Siegward nor Patches is there to save him. And the third time, where he's guaranteed to get murdered in Lothric Castle without any way of saving him. Given that Greirat lost someone very close to him in Loretta, his plundering could be seen as attempting SuicideByCop since he really has [[DeathSeeker nothing left to live for.]]]] for]]. This poor fella just can't catch a break, can he?
* The entire game is basically one long, utterly painful analogy for a person's last moments. Every combat-related (Siegward, Sirris, Anri, etc.) NPC quest you take will, ultimately, end up with the NPC in question dead, whilst merchant [=NPCs=] get hit with the sadness just as hard. To wit, completing Siegward's and Sirris's respective questlines will entail each of them fulfilling a MercyKill promise for someone dear to them; [[spoiler:Yhorm Yhorm the Giant for Siegward, Holy Knight Hodrick for Sirris]].Sirris. After it all, they relinquish their possessions to you and then die, alongside the people they upheld their promises to with your assistance. Anri's is sadder, as they either leave to Hollow out in the Cathedral of the Deep, presumably content with the death of Aldrich and distraught over Horace's disappearance, gets put down trying to avenge Horace's death, or are forcibly turned into a Lord/Lady of Hollows for the Ashen One. Yeah, with With a silent death being a HAPPY ending, you know Dark Souls III's turned up the [[CrapsackWorld craptasticness of the world]] [[UpToEleven up a notch]].



* There are two ghostly apparitions in Irithyll: two tall figures, clad in armor, slowly walking towards the bridge that leads out of the city. They cannot be stopped or interacted with in any way. During a first playthrough, their presence and meaning is probably puzzling to most players, but during a second run it's very easy to recognize one of the two as [[spoiler:the Dancer of the Boreal Valley]] and [[FridgeBrilliance suddenly realize]] the other one is [[spoiler:Vordt, unrecognizable in his human form.]] The player is watching [[spoiler:their departure from the city, not knowing they will never return]]. It's a subtle but solemn and sad moment.
* Company Captain Yorshka still thinks [[spoiler:Gwyndolin is alive.]]
** What's worse? [[spoiler:At the time, [[AndIMustScream she might be right...]] Further, he did it [[HeroicSacrifice to protect her.]] Keep in mind that Aldrich [[DreamSpying knows about]] [[CallBack Priscilla,]] but seems ignorant of Yorshka. Gwyndolin is [[HeroicWillpower still fighting]].]]

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* There are two ghostly apparitions in Irithyll: two tall figures, clad in armor, slowly walking towards the bridge that leads out of the city. They cannot be stopped or interacted with in any way. During a first playthrough, their presence and meaning is probably puzzling to most players, but during a second run it's very easy to recognize one of the two as [[spoiler:the the Dancer of the Boreal Valley]] Valley and [[FridgeBrilliance suddenly realize]] the other one is [[spoiler:Vordt, Vordt, unrecognizable in his human form.]] form. The player is watching [[spoiler:their their departure from the city, not knowing they will never return]].return. It's a subtle but solemn and sad moment.
* Company Captain Yorshka still thinks [[spoiler:Gwyndolin Gwyndolin is alive.]]
alive.
** What's worse? [[spoiler:At At the time, [[AndIMustScream she might be right...]] Further, he did it [[HeroicSacrifice to protect her.]] her]]. Keep in mind that Aldrich [[DreamSpying knows about]] [[CallBack Priscilla,]] Priscilla]], but seems ignorant of Yorshka. Gwyndolin is [[HeroicWillpower still fighting]].]]



* Despite all the death and chaos that has been repeated again and again throughout the Souls series, there is one simple gesture of kindness that shines in the darkness. The Bearer of the Curse kept their promise to [[spoiler:Lucatiel]], keeping her name known even when the curse overcame her and she couldn't recall it herself.

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* Despite all the death and chaos that has been repeated again and again throughout the Souls ''Souls'' series, there is one simple gesture of kindness that shines in the darkness. The Bearer of the Curse kept their promise to [[spoiler:Lucatiel]], Lucatiel, keeping her name known even when the curse overcame her and she couldn't recall it herself.



* The apparent HappyEndingOverride to Alva the Wayfarer's story. He is now an invader known as Alva, Seeker of the Spurned. Looking at the description of his weapon the Murakumo and reading between the lines reveals why he has changed: [[spoiler:his beloved Zullie the Witch went missing and he has since been endlessly and fruitlessly searching for her. Poor Alva had to endure losing the woman he loved ''twice''. No wonder he's so messed up now. And making things worse, it's possible he might have been very close to finding her - the description of Karla's ashes implies that ''she'' is, or rather was, Zullie.]]
** The Ringed City DLC has an encounter that further expands on poor Alva's story. While you are exploring the Ringed City, you are invaded once again by the Seeker of the Spurned. You wait for a while but, no invader comes running towards you. You continue looking around the area and eventually find him standing guard over a short alley with a corpse holding loot. When you approach the alley, Alva will begin attacking you. After defeating him, you go get the loot and find out that it is [[spoiler:the Black Witch Set, a set of armor associated with Zullie in Dark Souls 2. The description of the set reveals that Zullie, after suffering an unlucky life, found a purpose for living in supporting Alva. It can be inferred that Zullie left Alva behind, for an unknown reason, and went to the Ringed City where she died. Alva eventually found her remains there and decided to guard her corpse from the hostile Hollows of the Ringed City for the rest of his life. Said life being cut short by the player, who then proceeds to strip the corpse of the woman Alva loved for everything of value. Namely, her clothes. [[YouBastard You sick bastard.]]]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Black Witch Garb''']]: [[spoiler:''The purple garb of the witch Zullie, who intended to seduce Alva the Wayfarer, but eventually became his closest supporter, spending her entire life with him. It is said that Zullie the witch, who was never loved, nor loved another, experienced all manner of misfortune, and yet in the end, found her purpose in life.'']]

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* The apparent HappyEndingOverride to Alva the Wayfarer's story. He is now an invader known as Alva, Seeker of the Spurned. Looking at the description of his weapon the Murakumo and reading between the lines reveals why he has changed: [[spoiler:his his beloved Zullie the Witch went missing and he has since been endlessly and fruitlessly searching for her. Poor Alva had to endure losing the woman he loved ''twice''. No wonder he's so messed up now. And making things worse, it's possible he might have been very close to finding her - the description of Karla's ashes implies that ''she'' is, or rather was, Zullie.]]
Zullie.
** The Ringed City DLC has an encounter that further expands on poor Alva's story. While you are exploring the Ringed City, you are invaded once again by the Seeker of the Spurned. You wait for a while but, no invader comes running towards you. You continue looking around the area and eventually find him standing guard over a short alley with a corpse holding loot. When you approach the alley, Alva will begin attacking you. After defeating him, you go get the loot and find out that it is [[spoiler:the the Black Witch Set, a set of armor associated with Zullie in Dark ''Dark Souls 2.II''. The description of the set reveals that Zullie, after suffering an unlucky life, found a purpose for living in supporting Alva. It can be inferred that Zullie left Alva behind, for an unknown reason, and went to the Ringed City where she died. Alva eventually found her remains there and decided to guard her corpse from the hostile Hollows of the Ringed City for the rest of his life. Said life being cut short by the player, who then proceeds to strip the corpse of the woman Alva loved for everything of value. Namely, her clothes. [[YouBastard You sick bastard.]]]]
clothes.
---> [[spoiler:'''Black '''Black Witch Garb''']]: [[spoiler:''The Garb''': ''The purple garb of the witch Zullie, who intended to seduce Alva the Wayfarer, but eventually became his closest supporter, spending her entire life with him. It is said that Zullie the witch, who was never loved, nor loved another, experienced all manner of misfortune, and yet in the end, found her purpose in life.'']]''



* [[spoiler:The Painted World of]] Ariandel has got it pretty rough. The whole place is just reeking of rot and decay, the majority of the Corvian residents are decrepit creatures that can barely stand or shuffle about (and it's implied that the Corvian Knights are responsible for their sorry state), and the one being that is doing anything to try and fix it [[spoiler: is under the thumb of Sister Friede, aka Elfriede, one of the three founding sisters of the Sable Church of Londor. She doesn't want the world to be fixed or burnt away, so she's convinced Father Ariandel that ''flagellating himself and offering up his blood'' to restore the Painting is the only way to go about it. It's gotten to the point that he willingly asks for his flail when he sees even the faintest glimmer of the Flame in his bowl, and he goes absolutely '''''mad''''' with grief when you slay Elfriede during the boss fight against them. If he only knew what she has been doing to him and his world, instead of letting it be burnt away and painted anew...]]
** It's even sadder when you look at the state of Ariandel as an allegory for Gwyn's prolonging of the Age of Fire through Linking the Flame. The whole place has long overstayed its welcome, there is rot and decay tearing it and its residents apart, [[spoiler: and its fate is only being forestalled due to a misguided sense of preservation from Elfriede and Father Ariandel. They can't simply let the world die and be reborn in a new state like the Painter Girl wants to do, so they instead cling on to the vestiges of a dying world in a vain attempt to try and save it. It'd almost be a funny irony if it weren't so poignant.]]

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* [[spoiler:The The Painted World of]] of Ariandel has got it pretty rough. The whole place is just reeking of rot and decay, the majority of the Corvian residents are decrepit creatures that can barely stand or shuffle about (and it's implied that the Corvian Knights are responsible for their sorry state), and the one being that is doing anything to try and fix it [[spoiler: is under the thumb of Sister Friede, aka Elfriede, one of the three founding sisters of the Sable Church of Londor. She doesn't want the world to be fixed or burnt away, so she's convinced Father Ariandel that ''flagellating himself and offering up his blood'' to restore the Painting is the only way to go about it. It's gotten to the point that he willingly asks for his flail when he sees even the faintest glimmer of the Flame in his bowl, and he goes absolutely '''''mad''''' with grief when you slay Elfriede during the boss fight against them. If he only knew what she has been doing to him and his world, instead of letting it be burnt away and painted anew...]]
anew...
** It's even sadder when you look at the state of Ariandel as an allegory for Gwyn's prolonging of the Age of Fire through Linking the Flame. The whole place has long overstayed its welcome, there is rot and decay tearing it and its residents apart, [[spoiler: and its fate is only being forestalled due to a misguided sense of preservation from Elfriede and Father Ariandel. They can't simply let the world die and be reborn in a new state like the Painter Girl wants to do, so they instead cling on to the vestiges of a dying world in a vain attempt to try and save it. It'd almost be a funny irony if it weren't so poignant.]]



* The ending of ''The Ringed City'', which also serves as the very GrandFinale of the series. [[spoiler:After finally killing off the FinalBoss, Gael, who had slaughtered the Pygmies for their Dark Soul, you're eventually faced with fighting the PostFinalBoss, Shira. Upon killing her, there's no celebratory message, not even the usual death sound. Just...nothing, but her final words, saying that she would never forgive you or your "lowly kind", and her fading away. She has a couple of items, but that's it. In killing her, you're the SoleSurvivor of the Ringed City. All life within it is gone, rendering it a dark, ashy empty field, and almost everyone else is dead, but you. The most you can do is to fight the Darkeater Midir (if not fought before hand), and then just leave the place to rot. You can freely roam throughout the grayscale wasteland, but have nothing to do but to travel to the burning Ariandel and give the Dark Soul to the Painter, who names the painting after you or dubs it Ash if you say you have none, all the while waiting for Gael to return so that he can live in a gentle place to call home. And the moment you do so, you've assured yourself that ''Dark Souls'' is finished, and so will its world even if you don't pick the End of Fire ending. You've seen it all, and now, [[CallBack no more embers remain.]]]] With this DLC being the GrandFinale, to see that ''this'' is how it ends is just...'''''soul-crushing.'''''
** [[spoiler:Shira's final moments in themselves, because its ''your'' fault, and you ''know'' it. She trusted you to save her city, and instead you condemned it to oblivion.]]
** [[spoiler:Gael's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggWJLgN-Es battle theme]]. It reeks with a sense of tragedy and finality, and nothing else. It suits everything perfectly - the WorldOfSilence that is now the Ringed City, Gael's [[TheCorruption sanity fading to nothing]] from consuming the Dark Soul - before becoming ''its very embodiment'', and just the very fact that this is the end of Dark Souls. It's not a triumphant fanfare like ''Soul of Cinder'', nor a somber piece like Gwyn's theme or Aldia's theme. It's a dramatic, tragic song, that almost becomes nightmarish in the third phase, and it's ''perfect'' as Dark Souls' farewell piece.]]
* The description of [[spoiler: Gael's]] soul reveals that [[spoiler: Gael knew that his quest for the Dark Soul would likely end with him ruined by it and that he probably wouldn't return to his lady. And sure enough, he does ends up taking the Soul for himself and becoming a mad beast who has to be put down. And if you take the Blood of the Dark Soul and give it to the Painter, she will wonder when Gael will make his return, not knowing that you had to kill him to get the blood. It's even worse if you interpret Gael's actions as a desperate ThanatosGambit: Finding out that the blood of the Pygmy Lords had dried, he took the Dark Soul in order to create blood that could be used as pigment and hoped that you could kill him to take it to her.]]
* Filianore had it almost as bad as her subjects and the rest of her family. [[spoiler:She was given away by Gwyn to the Pygmy Lords, perhaps ostensibly as a being to worship, but in truth merely a tool to exert his control over the pygmies. Gwyn promised her that "he would come for her when the day came" (from the Small Envoy Banner's description), and we know that she was left eternally waiting for him to make good on his promise: Gwyn never came, either due to never returning from his Linking of the Flame or he never intended to come back for her (what with the whole "being a figurehead to keep the pygmies in check" thing). Then she entered a long slumber, which also effectively left the Ringed City frozen in time.... until the Ashen One comes and wakes her up. At this point, while she probably still has no idea what's going on, time ''catches up with her and the entire city'', and she promptly becomes a desiccated corpse and dies.]] If that isn't TearJerker and NightmareFuel in equal measure, this troper doesn't know what is.
** It's also worth a note that [[spoiler:when Filianore wakes up, golden light envelopes her and the surroundings from the broken eggshells, at which point she becomes a corpse and the Ringed City is returned to its "true" state. It's possible that whatever was sealing the time was connected to the egg she was holding. And what was the state of the egg when you found Filianore again? The shell was ''half-broken'', and a light touch from you completely shattered it. So perhaps the spell's effect was already diminishing, and Filianore and the Ringed City probably did not have much more time before you came...]]
* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life was to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it was ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. Gael's scheme to create a Painted World was for naught, as it bought whatever small figment of life that resided in it just a final margin of time before it too succumbed to the dark. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.

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* The ending of ''The Ringed City'', which also serves as the very GrandFinale of the series. [[spoiler:After After finally killing off the FinalBoss, Gael, who had slaughtered the Pygmies for their Dark Soul, you're eventually faced with fighting the PostFinalBoss, Shira. Upon killing her, there's no celebratory message, not even the usual death sound. Just...nothing, but her final words, saying that she would never forgive you or your "lowly kind", and her fading away. She has a couple of items, but that's it. In killing her, you're the SoleSurvivor of the Ringed City. All life within it is gone, rendering it a dark, ashy empty field, and almost everyone else is dead, but you. The most you can do is to fight the Darkeater Midir (if not fought before hand), beforehand), and then just leave the place to rot. You can freely roam throughout the grayscale wasteland, but have nothing to do but to travel to the burning Ariandel and give the Dark Soul to the Painter, who names the painting after you or dubs it Ash if you say you have none, all the while waiting for Gael to return so that he can live in a gentle place to call home. And the moment you do so, you've assured yourself that ''Dark Souls'' is finished, and so will its world even if you don't pick the End of Fire ending. You've seen it all, and now, [[CallBack no more embers remain.]]]] remain]]. With this DLC being the GrandFinale, to see that ''this'' is how it ends is just...'''''soul-crushing.'''''
** [[spoiler:Shira's Shira's final moments in themselves, because its ''your'' fault, and you ''know'' it. She trusted you to save her city, and instead you condemned it to oblivion.]]
oblivion.
** [[spoiler:Gael's Gael's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggWJLgN-Es battle theme]]. It reeks with a sense of tragedy and finality, and nothing else. It suits everything perfectly - the WorldOfSilence that is now the Ringed City, Gael's [[TheCorruption sanity fading to nothing]] from consuming the Dark Soul - before becoming ''its very embodiment'', and just the very fact that this is the end of Dark Souls.''Dark Souls''. It's not a triumphant fanfare like ''Soul of Cinder'', nor a somber piece like Gwyn's theme or Aldia's theme. It's a dramatic, tragic song, that almost becomes nightmarish in the third phase, and it's ''perfect'' as Dark Souls' farewell piece.]]
piece.
* The description of [[spoiler: Gael's]] Gael's soul reveals that [[spoiler: Gael knew that his quest for the Dark Soul would likely end with him ruined by it and that he probably wouldn't return to his lady. And sure enough, he does ends up taking the Soul for himself and becoming a mad beast who has to be put down. And if you take the Blood of the Dark Soul and give it to the Painter, she will wonder when Gael will make his return, not knowing that you had to kill him to get the blood. It's even worse if you interpret Gael's actions as a desperate ThanatosGambit: Finding out that the blood of the Pygmy Lords had dried, he took the Dark Soul in order to create blood that could be used as pigment and hoped that you could kill him to take it to her.]]
her.
* Filianore had it almost as bad as her subjects and the rest of her family. [[spoiler:She She was given away by Gwyn to the Pygmy Lords, perhaps ostensibly as a being to worship, but in truth merely a tool to exert his control over the pygmies. Gwyn promised her that "he would come for her when the day came" (from the Small Envoy Banner's description), and we know that she was left eternally waiting for him to make good on his promise: Gwyn never came, either due to never returning from his Linking of the Flame or he never intended to come back for her (what with the whole "being a figurehead to keep the pygmies in check" thing). Then she entered a long slumber, which also effectively left the Ringed City frozen in time.... until the Ashen One comes and wakes her up. At this point, while she probably still has no idea what's going on, time ''catches up with her and the entire city'', and she promptly becomes a desiccated corpse and dies.]] If that isn't TearJerker and NightmareFuel in equal measure, this troper doesn't know what is.
dies.
** It's also worth a note that [[spoiler:when when Filianore wakes up, golden light envelopes her and the surroundings from the broken eggshells, at which point she becomes a corpse and the Ringed City is returned to its "true" state. It's possible that whatever was sealing the time was connected to the egg she was holding. And what was the state of the egg when you found Filianore again? The shell was ''half-broken'', and a light touch from you completely shattered it. So perhaps the spell's effect was already diminishing, and Filianore and the Ringed City probably did not have much more time before you came...]]
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* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life was to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it was ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. Gael's scheme to create a Painted World was for naught, as it bought whatever small figment of life that resided in it just a final margin of time before it too succumbed to the dark. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.



* Should you kill Ludleth of Courland, he will be revived upon reloading the shrine. Upon approaching him to speak to him again, he'll be asleep and dreaming of the time that he became the one to link the flame. In a few words, the excruciating pain that he experienced in the kiln becomes clear and really drives home the sacrifice these people are making...for nothing, as the fire just fades again and again.

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* Should you kill Ludleth of Courland, he will be revived upon reloading the shrine. Upon approaching him to speak to him again, he'll be asleep and dreaming of the time that he became the one to link the flame. In a few words, the excruciating pain that he experienced in the kiln becomes clear and really drives home the sacrifice these people are making... for nothing, as the fire just fades again and again.

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** This'll hit especially hard for any players [[spoiler:that have siblings with special needs. Lothric has been bed-ridden and sickly most of his life but is still sound of mind despite Linking the Fire with his brother. It's Lorian that took the brunt of the Flame's might, and while his strength is great, he is obviously severely brain damaged to the point that the only person that can understand him is probably Lothric. The way that Lothric, for all his frailty, looks out for Lorian during the fight and talks to him during the transition cutscene shows that he still loves his brother despite what he's become, and Lorian starting the fight could be seen as him doing the one thing he knows how to do to protect Lothric; kill anything that threatens his younger brother.]]
*** The text will get to you.
--->"My brother, unyielding sword of Lothric's Prince. Rise, if you would... For that [[BlessedWithSuck is our curse]]."
** It gets worse if [[spoiler: you read the description of the Soul Stream spell, which suggests that Lothric was privately mentored by a scholar who had doubts about the linking of the fire. This sheds even more light on Lothric's scorn for the legacy of the lords: he and his brother burnt in the Kiln, only to be reborn and find the world in essentially the same mess, if not ''worse'', leaving him to believe that he and Lorian sacrificed themselves for nothing. No wonder he's happy to just sit in the castle with his brother and watch the Age of Fire end.]]
* The final boss, [[spoiler:Soul of Cinder]], is outright stated to be [[spoiler:the remnants of Gwyn, Lord Of Cinder AND the player characters from the first and second games. The first phase of the fight has the boss use a variety of ''Dark Souls I'' moves, even Darkwood Grain Ring flipping to dodge attacks whenever he uses his curved sword moveset, and can also use a handful of spells from the second game. Phase two begins after their health is depleted. Gwyn, Lord of Cinder from the first game's soundtrack slowly begins to take over the epic background music, until it eventually fades to just the piano. Amidst all this, the Soul of Cinder begins to spam you with souped up versions of Gwyn's moves.]]
** The state of [[spoiler:the Soul of Cinder]] as the FinalBoss also begs the question of [[spoiler:just ''what'' existence is like for a Lord of Cinder, even after death.]] After all, in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsI'', you pretty conclusively killed [[spoiler:Gwyn]] down in the Kiln, but here [[spoiler:the Soul is channelling his power and using his moves against you.]] So, that begs the question; [[spoiler:Is the Soul simply channelling the power of those that Linked to Fire, or are ''all'' the souls of every Lord of Cinder forever bound to the First Flame and can't achieve true peace, even in a supposed death?]]
** [[spoiler:Just... ''[[http://news.cdmarket.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Dark-Souls-3-932x548.jpg look]] at him.'' Even if you don't know his true identity... he just looks so broken.]]
** Even his ''design'' is evocative of what it means to be [[spoiler: The Soul of Cinder]]; compared to nearly every other proper armor set in the series (with the Elite Knight and Faraam sets coming readily to mind), this thing's armor is positively decrepit [[spoiler: with the burnt tatters of what might have been a cape and tabard barely clinging to armor that's been charred so long it looks ''skeletal''. The helmet design is also quite sad, as the back of it forms a sort of half-crown that looks to have been melted down time and again, and the shape of the visor isn't a neutral slit like with the other canon armor sets; the way it arches up and the shape of the eyeholes makes it look like the wearer is perpetually on the verge of tears.]]
* ThePromise made between Siegward of Catarina and [[spoiler:Yhorm the Giant]]. An oath where the former promised he'd take up arms to [[MercyKill lay the latter to rest once again]] when the time came and [[spoiler:Yhorm would come back as a Lord of Cinder torn by madness]]. Completing Siegward's questline will trigger [[spoiler:a pre-battle cutscene in Yhorm's fight, where Siegward comes in as a non-Phantom assist NPC and reluctantly declares his intention to keep his word in regards to the promise made ages ago]].
** A bit of Fridge Sadness upon watching the opening cinematic after beating Yhorm: [[spoiler:When he is shown rising from his grave in answer to the Bell of Awakening, he lets out a loud roar. On the first playthrough it sounds like a typical monster/giant roaring, but listening again you can hear what it really is: ''A howl of anguish.'' Yhorm had hoped he wouldn't be resurrected, and the moment when he realises his fate he lets out this heart-breaking sound that almost screams "WHY?!"]]
** If Siegward [[spoiler:is killed during the battle, he can only apologize for failing at everything. Considering that he had seemingly been jolly up to that point, it only adds to the sadness.]]
** At the end of the battle, Siegward is grateful to the Ashen One for helping him fulfill his oath to [[spoiler:Yhorm]] and offers one last toast to wish you luck on your journey. However, [[spoiler:when he says it's his last toast, he literally means it, as the moment you turn away from him, Siegward dies. He was either mortally wounded during the battle and never told you, or he [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] knowing that he had fulfilled his purpose. It can also be interpreted that he died to give you his armor set and Stormruler, in hopes that they will help you on your journey, if only just a little.]]
* Yhorm, like the other Lords of Cinder, did not have a happy background. Born as a giant, he already had to face discrimination and mistrust from humans. And despite being asked to become the ruler of a human kingdom by its subjects, [[spoiler:Yhorm was never fully accepted, as his subjects only followed him so that his strength could be used to protect them from their rivals. And despite this mistrust, Yhorm continued to protect his kingdom, even gifting his enemies a Stormruler to use on him if he were to become a threat. Then, Yhorm lost someone dear to him which caused him to become a DeathSeeker. With nothing left to lose, and wanting to finally end all of mistrust, Yhorm agreed to link the Fire and become a Lord of Cinder. However, something apparently went wrong and Yhorm's ''entire kingdom'' was incinerated as a result. It's not hard to understand why Yhorm would abandon his throne when he awoke to see that his attempt to save his kingdom ultimately ended up destroying it, and him knowing that he had caused the deaths of the people he protected.]]
* You will find the corpse of [[spoiler:the Giant Blacksmith in Anor Londo. Clutched tightly in his hand is an ember that will allow a blacksmith to forge the special weapons that he had once made... after your character had given him the embers to do so in the distant past. [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe Even ages after your character was gone, he treasured the gifts you gave him, as he considered your character a true friend]]. Giving the coal to Andre will cause him to sadly reminisce on how good a friend the giant was, most likely echoing the player's thoughts.]]
* Finding [[spoiler:Anor Londo]] again will probably have players bursting with nostalgia and joy at first, but then the terrible truth starts to hit home: [[spoiler:What was once a magnificent golden city of the Gods, swathed in sunlight, is now a dark, cold husk that has been vandalized by the Cathedral of the Deep, one of the most vile and disgusting organizations in the entire franchise]]. Seeing the Cathedral's deacons [[spoiler:walking around the ruins of Anor Londo's grand cathedral]] will be infuriating for most players, who will just want to kick their evil asses out.

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** This'll hit especially hard for any players [[spoiler:that that have siblings with special needs. Lothric has been bed-ridden and sickly most of his life but is still sound of mind despite Linking the Fire with his brother. It's Lorian that took the brunt of the Flame's might, and while his strength is great, he is obviously severely brain damaged to the point that the only person that can understand him is probably Lothric. The way that Lothric, for all his frailty, looks out for Lorian during the fight and talks to him during the transition cutscene shows that he still loves his brother despite what he's become, and Lorian starting the fight could be seen as him doing the one thing he knows how to do do: to protect Lothric; kill anything that threatens his younger brother.]]
*** The text will get to you.
--->"My
brother.
-->"My
brother, unyielding sword of Lothric's Prince. Rise, if you would... For that [[BlessedWithSuck is our curse]]."
** It gets worse if [[spoiler: you read the description of the Soul Stream spell, which suggests that Lothric was privately mentored by a scholar who had doubts about the linking of the fire. This sheds even more light on Lothric's scorn for the legacy of the lords: he and his brother burnt in the Kiln, only to be reborn and find the world in essentially the same mess, if not ''worse'', leaving him to believe that he and Lorian sacrificed themselves for nothing. No wonder he's happy to just sit in the castle with his brother and watch the Age of Fire end.]]
end.
* The final boss, [[spoiler:Soul Soul of Cinder]], Cinder, is outright stated to be [[spoiler:the the remnants of Gwyn, Lord Of Cinder AND the player characters from the first and second games. The first phase of the fight has the boss use a variety of ''Dark Souls I'' moves, even Darkwood Grain Ring flipping to dodge attacks whenever he uses his curved sword moveset, and can also use a handful of spells from the second game. Phase two begins after their health is depleted. Gwyn, Lord of Cinder from the first game's soundtrack slowly begins to take over the epic background music, until it eventually fades to just the piano. Amidst all this, the Soul of Cinder begins to spam you with souped up versions of Gwyn's moves.]]
moves.
** The state of [[spoiler:the the Soul of Cinder]] Cinder as the FinalBoss also begs the question of [[spoiler:just just ''what'' existence is like for a Lord of Cinder, even after death.]] death. After all, in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsI'', you pretty conclusively killed [[spoiler:Gwyn]] Gwyn down in the Kiln, but here [[spoiler:the the Soul is channelling his power and using his moves against you.]] you. So, that begs the question; [[spoiler:Is question: Is the Soul simply channelling the power of those that Linked to Fire, or are ''all'' the souls of every Lord of Cinder forever bound to the First Flame and can't achieve true peace, even in a supposed death?]]
** [[spoiler:Just... ''[[http://news.cdmarket.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Dark-Souls-3-932x548.jpg look]] at him.'' Even if you don't know his true identity... he just looks so broken.]]
death?
** Even his ''design'' is evocative of what it means to be [[spoiler: The the Soul of Cinder]]; Cinder; compared to nearly every other proper armor set in the series (with the Elite Knight and Faraam sets coming readily to mind), this thing's armor is positively decrepit [[spoiler: with the burnt tatters of what might have been a cape and tabard barely clinging to armor that's been charred so long it looks ''skeletal''. The helmet design is also quite sad, as the back of it forms a sort of half-crown that looks to have been melted down time and again, and the shape of the visor isn't a neutral slit like with the other canon armor sets; the way it arches up and the shape of the eyeholes makes it look like the wearer is perpetually on the verge of tears.]]
tears.
* ThePromise made between Siegward of Catarina and [[spoiler:Yhorm Yhorm the Giant]]. Giant. An oath where the former promised he'd take up arms to [[MercyKill lay the latter to rest once again]] when the time came and [[spoiler:Yhorm Yhorm would come back as a Lord of Cinder torn by madness]]. madness. Completing Siegward's questline will trigger [[spoiler:a a pre-battle cutscene in Yhorm's fight, where Siegward comes in as a non-Phantom assist NPC and reluctantly declares his intention to keep his word in regards to the promise made ages ago]].
ago.
** A bit of Fridge Sadness upon watching the opening cinematic after beating Yhorm: [[spoiler:When When he is shown rising from his grave in answer to the Bell of Awakening, he lets out a loud roar. On the first playthrough it sounds like a typical monster/giant roaring, but listening again you can hear what it really is: ''A howl of anguish.'' Yhorm had hoped he wouldn't be resurrected, and the moment when he realises his fate he lets out this heart-breaking sound that almost screams "WHY?!"]]
"WHY?!"
** If Siegward [[spoiler:is is killed during the battle, he can only apologize for failing at everything. Considering that he had seemingly been jolly up to that point, it only adds to the sadness.]]
sadness.
** At the end of the battle, Siegward is grateful to the Ashen One for helping him fulfill his oath to [[spoiler:Yhorm]] Yhorm and offers one last toast to wish you luck on your journey. However, [[spoiler:when when he says it's his last toast, he literally means it, as the moment you turn away from him, Siegward dies. He was either mortally wounded during the battle and never told you, or he [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] knowing that he had fulfilled his purpose. It can also be interpreted that he died to give you his armor set and Stormruler, in hopes that they will help you on your journey, if only just a little.]]
little.
* Yhorm, like the other Lords of Cinder, did not have a happy background. Born as a giant, he already had to face discrimination and mistrust from humans. And despite being asked to become the ruler of a human kingdom by its subjects, [[spoiler:Yhorm Yhorm was never fully accepted, as his subjects only followed him so that his strength could be used to protect them from their rivals. And despite this mistrust, Yhorm continued to protect his kingdom, even gifting his enemies a Stormruler to use on him if he were to become a threat. Then, Yhorm lost someone dear to him which caused him to become a DeathSeeker. With nothing left to lose, and wanting to finally end all of mistrust, Yhorm agreed to link the Fire and become a Lord of Cinder. However, something apparently went wrong and Yhorm's ''entire kingdom'' was incinerated as a result. It's not hard to understand why Yhorm would abandon his throne when he awoke to see that his attempt to save his kingdom ultimately ended up destroying it, and him knowing that he had caused the deaths of the people he protected.]]
protected.
* You will find the corpse of [[spoiler:the the Giant Blacksmith in Anor Londo. Clutched tightly in his hand is an ember that will allow a blacksmith to forge the special weapons that he had once made... after your character had given him the embers to do so in the distant past. [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe Even ages after your character was gone, he treasured the gifts you gave him, as he considered your character a true friend]]. Giving the coal to Andre will cause him to sadly reminisce on how good a friend the giant was, most likely echoing the player's thoughts.]]
thoughts.
* Finding [[spoiler:Anor Londo]] Anor Londo again will probably have players bursting with nostalgia and joy at first, but then the terrible truth starts to hit home: [[spoiler:What What was once a magnificent golden city of the Gods, swathed in sunlight, is now a dark, cold husk that has been vandalized by the Cathedral of the Deep, one of the most vile and disgusting organizations in the entire franchise]]. franchise. Seeing the Cathedral's deacons [[spoiler:walking walking around the ruins of Anor Londo's grand cathedral]] cathedral will be infuriating for most players, who will just want to kick their evil asses out.



* In an out of the way corner of the "Demon Ruins" (the lower part of Smouldering Lake), you can find a unique-looking demon corpse unlike the mounds of Capra, Taurus and Asylum Demons. What is it? [[spoiler:It's a spider-shaped corpse, surrounded by fossilized egg sacs, with a single emaciated corpse cradling its "front" section. And at this location, you find... Quelana's Pyromancy Tome. [[TheWoobie The Fair Lady]] eventually died of her poisoning, Eingyi was with her to the end and beyond, and Quelana did visit her sister one last time before disappearing into the mists of history.]] ''[[SandInMyEyes *sniffle*]]''

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* In an out of the way corner of the "Demon Ruins" (the lower part of Smouldering Lake), you can find a unique-looking demon corpse unlike the mounds of Capra, Taurus and Asylum Demons. What is it? [[spoiler:It's It's a spider-shaped corpse, surrounded by fossilized egg sacs, with a single emaciated corpse cradling its "front" section. And at this location, you find... Quelana's Pyromancy Tome. [[TheWoobie The Fair Lady]] eventually died of her poisoning, Eingyi was with her to the end and beyond, and Quelana did visit her sister one last time before disappearing into the mists of history.]] ''[[SandInMyEyes *sniffle*]]''



** And a Prince, once upon a time. [[spoiler:Lorian is described in some lore as killing "the Demon Prince". Small wonder why the Old King hid himself away -- he has watched his Kingdom, having come from AlwaysChaoticEvil beginnings to create their own civilization, become hunted and devastated, his son slain and his subjects slaughtered, their corpses left littered about. Poor Old Demon King...]]
*** ''The Ringed City'' delves a bit further into the tragedy of this subject. [[spoiler: The very first boss IS the Demon Prince, having "split" into the Demon in Pain and the Demon From Below. Lorian actually failed to truly kill the Prince, but he caused it to lose the remnants of the Chaos Flame, the last and only hope for demonkind to continue to survive. Since the Ashen One has to kill the Prince in order to proceed, its death marks [[EndOfAnEra the end of the Chaos Demons and the tragic legacy of Lost Izalith]]]]...

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** And a Prince, once upon a time. [[spoiler:Lorian Lorian is described in some lore as killing "the Demon Prince". Small wonder why the Old King hid himself away -- he has watched his Kingdom, having come from AlwaysChaoticEvil beginnings to create their own civilization, become hunted and devastated, his son slain and his subjects slaughtered, their corpses left littered about. Poor Old Demon King...]]
King...
*** ''The Ringed City'' delves a bit further into the tragedy of this subject. [[spoiler: The very first boss IS the Demon Prince, having "split" into the Demon in Pain and the Demon From Below. Lorian actually failed to truly kill the Prince, but he caused it to lose the remnants of the Chaos Flame, the last and only hope for demonkind to continue to survive. Since the Ashen One has to kill the Prince in order to proceed, its death marks [[EndOfAnEra the end of the Chaos Demons and the tragic legacy of Lost Izalith]]]]...Izalith]]...



* After potentially reading much of the above, the first point truly hits you that this is the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, that just about every single character we've come to know over the series is dead, dying, or left in a world on the brink of darkness, and that everything that everyone has ever done in the series has, at best, [[HopeSpot bought time for the inevitable yet given hope,]] and at worst [[ShootTheShaggyDog done nothing but doom themselves quicker.]] In a sense, we were here to bare witness to [[VideoGame/DarkSouls1 the beginning of the end,]] [[VideoGame/DarkSouls2 the effects it had on elsewhere in the world,]] and now [[GrandFinale the conclusion to it all.]] And no matter how you interpret the endings below, it all has one thing in common: [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding there is no happy fairy tale ending, just the end of the Age of Fire and all that entails.]]]]

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* After potentially reading much of the above, the first point truly hits you that this is the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, that just about every single character we've come to know over the series is dead, dying, or left in a world on the brink of darkness, and that everything that everyone has ever done in the series has, at best, [[HopeSpot bought time for the inevitable yet given hope,]] and at worst [[ShootTheShaggyDog done nothing but doom themselves quicker.]] In a sense, we were here to bare witness to [[VideoGame/DarkSouls1 the beginning of the end,]] [[VideoGame/DarkSouls2 the effects it had on elsewhere in the world,]] and now [[GrandFinale the conclusion to it all.]] all]]. And no matter how you interpret the endings below, it all has one thing in common: [[spoiler:[[DownerEnding [[DownerEnding there is no happy fairy tale ending, just the end of the Age of Fire and all that entails.]]]]entails]].



** To Link the First Flame: [[spoiler:You've done your duty, slain the Soul of Cinder, and re-ignited the First Flame. Sadly, since you are just an Unkindled that can't properly Link the Fire, all you can do is embolden it with what few embers you carry around before it finally dies out entirely. Even worse is the tacit implication that there is no one else left in the world that can Link the Flame after you, meaning that all you've done is give the Hollows a chance to die in peace before the world inevitably gets subsumed by the Dark. And judging by how weak the Flame is this time around (it's barely enough to set your character on fire, compared to the [[WorldHealingWave world-engulfing explosion]] that Linking it caused in ''Dark Souls 1''), it's possible that [[ShootTheShaggyDog your sacrifice didn't even buy]] ''[[ShootTheShaggyDog that]]'' [[ShootTheShaggyDog much time.]] At least you honored the sacrifices of the Lords of Cinder before you...]]
** The End of Fire: [[spoiler:Following the Fire Keeper's vision of a world gone to the Dark, she is summoned after the fight against the Soul of Cinder to take the last vestiges of the First Flame away and let it be extinguished. A new world will rise from the ashes of the Flame and the Dark, but you most likely won't be there to see it. All you and the Fire Keeper can do is sit there and wait for the other to die.]]
** Betrayal: [[spoiler:After summoning the Fire Keeper, either in a fit of jealousy or just [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential because you could]], you kill her, step on her head, and steal away the dying embers of the First Flame for yourself, thus proving those old words true; "Ash seeketh embers." And what greater embers are there than that of the First Flame, after all? Have fun riding out the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt all alone, YouBastard.]]
** The Usurpation of Fire: [[spoiler:Following the lead of Yuria and Yoel of Londor, you take the embers of the First Flame and use them yourself, tying them together with your piece of the Dark Soul that Yoel gave you through the Dark Sigil to rise as the newly christened Lord of Hollows, with Anri at your side to rule with you. This ending can go one of two ways depending on how you interpret the lore and the nature of Light and Dark in this universe; it's either the GoldenEnding for Humanity where they can finally live and rule unquestioned and free from the vagaries of the Curse and the inscrutable whims of gods and demons that are now all dead, or it's a case of EarnYourBadEnding since now that there is no Flame to hold back the Dark we're going to be looking at a catastrophe on the level of New Londo or Oolacile extrapolated out to the scale of the entire world. Either way, Humanity finally won, but at what cost?]]

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** To Link the First Flame: [[spoiler:You've You've done your duty, slain the Soul of Cinder, and re-ignited the First Flame. Sadly, since you are just an Unkindled that can't properly Link the Fire, all you can do is embolden it with what few embers you carry around before it finally dies out entirely. Even worse is the tacit implication that there is no one else left in the world that can Link the Flame after you, meaning that all you've done is give the Hollows a chance to die in peace before the world inevitably gets subsumed by the Dark. And judging by how weak the Flame is this time around (it's barely enough to set your character on fire, compared to the [[WorldHealingWave world-engulfing explosion]] that Linking it caused in ''Dark Souls 1''), it's possible that [[ShootTheShaggyDog your sacrifice didn't even buy]] ''[[ShootTheShaggyDog that]]'' [[ShootTheShaggyDog buy that much time.]] time]]. At least you honored the sacrifices of the Lords of Cinder before you...]]
you...
** The End of Fire: [[spoiler:Following Following the Fire Keeper's vision of a world gone to the Dark, she is summoned after the fight against the Soul of Cinder to take the last vestiges of the First Flame away and let it be extinguished. A new world will rise from the ashes of the Flame and the Dark, but you most likely won't be there to see it. All you and the Fire Keeper can do is sit there and wait for the other to die.]]
die.
** Betrayal: [[spoiler:After After summoning the Fire Keeper, either in a fit of jealousy or just [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential because you could]], you kill her, step on her head, and steal away the dying embers of the First Flame for yourself, thus proving those old words true; "Ash seeketh embers." And what greater embers are there than that of the First Flame, after all? Have fun riding out the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt all alone, YouBastard.]]
alone.
** The Usurpation of Fire: [[spoiler:Following Following the lead of Yuria and Yoel of Londor, you take the embers of the First Flame and use them yourself, tying them together with your piece of the Dark Soul that Yoel gave you through the Dark Sigil to rise as the newly christened Lord of Hollows, with Anri at your side to rule with you. This ending can go one of two ways depending on how you interpret the lore and the nature of Light and Dark in this universe; it's either the GoldenEnding for Humanity where they can finally live and rule unquestioned and free from the vagaries of the Curse and the inscrutable whims of gods and demons that are now all dead, or it's a case of EarnYourBadEnding since now that there is no Flame to hold back the Dark we're going to be looking at a catastrophe on the level of New Londo or Oolacile extrapolated out to the scale of the entire world. Either way, Humanity finally won, but at what cost?]]cost?

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* The sheer soul-crushing fact that everything everyone fought, struggled, suffered, and died for in the previous two games was all for naught is a serious case of FridgeHorror. No one figured out how to stop the Curse or the cycle, countless civilizations have come and gone by building on the bones of their predecessors only for them to become the next set of bones, and ''nothing anyone could do could prevent this.'' Even ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII's'' revelation that [[spoiler: Vendrick figured out how to stop the curse and break the cycle but was too late to implement it]] is of little comfort given that this game proves [[spoiler: that The Bearer of the Curse a.k.a. ''YOU'' were unable to do anything even with the cure he gave you.]] And all of this pain and misery and senseless sacrifice is this game's ''set-up!''

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* The sheer soul-crushing fact that everything everyone fought, struggled, suffered, and died for in the previous two games was all for naught is a serious case of FridgeHorror. No one figured out how to stop the Curse or the cycle, countless civilizations have come and gone by building on the bones of their predecessors only for them to become the next set of bones, and ''nothing anyone could do could prevent this.'' Even ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII's'' revelation that [[spoiler: Vendrick figured out how to stop the curse and break the cycle but was too late to implement it]] it is of little comfort given that this game proves [[spoiler: that The Bearer of the Curse a.k.a. ''YOU'' were unable to do anything even with the cure he gave you.]] And all of this pain and misery and senseless sacrifice is this game's ''set-up!''



*** While this seems to not be the case, the choices you're given at the very end are definitely of the morose sort. [[spoiler:Put simply, you can choose to "Inherit the order of the world" as Aldia put it by Linking the Fire or letting it fade, or if you completed Yuria's and Anri's side quest you can choose to "Usurp the Fire", not only letting it fade out but stealing its power away for yourself so you can become the new ruler of Londor, and presumably of all of what's left of mankind. Imagine the state of the world after you do ''that.'']]
*** Honestly, can the world possibly [[spoiler:get any worse? It's possible this ending is at the very least no ''worse'' than the ending where you extinguish the flame. At least, not the version where you [[WhatTheHellHero DON'T murder the Fire Keeper in the closing cutscene]]. It's possible to view the ending as the final breaking of a perpetually melancholy cycle, and to achieve this ending you have to at least choose a path that offers some measure of kindness and mercy - you can't get the ending at all if you're a complete asshole. At least a human has control now beyond being a pawn of fate. Maybe you ''will'' make Londor whole. After all, the Dark isn't necessarily any worse or better than the Light.]]
*** The Fire Keeper's good ending is essentially a eulogy for ''Dark Souls''. It is not a triumphant crowning like the Usurpation of Fire, nor a peaceful calm before the next storm like Linking the Fire. It is a goodbye, but also an affirmation, of all the suffering, victories and struggles borne by its characters. [[spoiler: "The first flame quickly fades. Darkness will shortly settle. But one day... tiny flames will dance across the darkness. Like embers linked by Lords past."]]
* The fact that the fight against [[spoiler:Gwyn, Lord of Cinder]] in ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' is set up as a TheLastDance scenario makes the revival of the ancient Lords of Cinder all the more tragic. All these poor people gave everything they could to keep their respective Ages of Fire going, and now not even the release of death is enough to keep them from their self-imposed shackles. Gotta feel bad for these poor souls.
** Even worse when you get to [[spoiler:the FinalBoss, the Soul of Cinder, which is outright stated to be an amalgamation of Gwyn and every other Lord of Cinder, possibly including the Chosen Undead and the Bearer of the Curse. Not even the death you meted out to Gwyn in the first game was enough to keep him down, and the fact the Soul also contains the Chosen Undead and Bearer of the Curse is a massive PlayerPunch to everyone who decided to Link the Fire in the previous games.]]
** Not only is it sad for the [[spoiler:The Chosen Undead]], it's also hugely tragic for [[spoiler:Gwyn himself.]] Already considered one of the most selfless and noble characters in the series, the game really hammers home the tragedy of his character. [[spoiler:His kingdom has been destroyed. All of his champions murdered. His son betrayed him to his sworn enemies, the Dragons, and quite probably out of ''love'' at that (see below). After choosing to burn in the Kiln for all eternity, his hope of his daughter and other son to preserve his kingdom is completely crushed when it falls to ruin because of the selfishness of the both of them. Said son ends up enduring a FateWorseThanDeath, being consumed by an EldritchAbomination.]] Even the promise of a MercyKill [[spoiler:in ''Dark Souls 1'']] is proven false. Even if you disagree with [[spoiler:Gwyn's choice to Link the Fire]], you'll want to give him a hug by the end of the game.
*** Adding on to the tragedy is the fact that [[spoiler: ''[[TheHeavy everything that happened in the series is Gwyn's fault.]]'' If he could've just kept his fear of the Dark, which as it turns out [[TheSacredDarkness wasn't bad]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero until his Darksign caused it to go out of control]], in check then the cycle of Light and Dark would've passed peacefully. But he couldn't and so humanity and the gods were trapped in a decaying world desperate to end for potentially thousands of years all because Gwyn ''just couldn't let go.'' In the end, [[GodIsFlawed Gwyn was just as scared and desperate for a solution as any of us.]]]]

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*** While this seems to not be the case, the choices you're given at the very end are definitely of the morose sort. [[spoiler:Put Put simply, you can choose to "Inherit the order of the world" as Aldia put it by Linking the Fire or letting it fade, or if you completed Yuria's and Anri's side quest you can choose to "Usurp the Fire", not only letting it fade out but stealing its power away for yourself so you can become the new ruler of Londor, and presumably of all of what's left of mankind. Imagine the state of the world after you do ''that.'']]
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*** Honestly, can the world possibly [[spoiler:get get any worse? It's possible this ending is at the very least no ''worse'' than the ending where you extinguish the flame. At least, not the version where you [[WhatTheHellHero DON'T murder the Fire Keeper in the closing cutscene]]. It's possible to view the ending as the final breaking of a perpetually melancholy cycle, and to achieve this ending you have to at least choose a path that offers some measure of kindness and mercy - you can't get the ending at all if you're a complete asshole. At least a human has control now beyond being a pawn of fate. Maybe you ''will'' make Londor whole. After all, the Dark isn't necessarily any worse or better than the Light.]]
Light.
*** The Fire Keeper's good ending is essentially a eulogy for ''Dark Souls''. It is not a triumphant crowning like the Usurpation of Fire, nor a peaceful calm before the next storm like Linking the Fire. It is a goodbye, but also an affirmation, of all the suffering, victories and struggles borne by its characters. [[spoiler: "The first flame quickly fades. Darkness will shortly settle. But one day... tiny flames will dance across the darkness. Like embers linked by Lords past."]]
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* The fact that the fight against [[spoiler:Gwyn, Gwyn, Lord of Cinder]] Cinder in ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsI'' is set up as a TheLastDance scenario makes the revival of the ancient Lords of Cinder all the more tragic. All these poor people gave everything they could to keep their respective Ages of Fire going, and now not even the release of death is enough to keep them from their self-imposed shackles. Gotta feel bad for these poor souls.
** Even worse when you get to [[spoiler:the the FinalBoss, the Soul of Cinder, which is outright stated to be an amalgamation of Gwyn and every other Lord of Cinder, possibly including the Chosen Undead and the Bearer of the Curse. Not even the death you meted out to Gwyn in the first game was enough to keep him down, and the fact the Soul also contains the Chosen Undead and Bearer of the Curse is a massive PlayerPunch to everyone who decided to Link the Fire in the previous games.]]
games.
** Not only is it sad for the [[spoiler:The The Chosen Undead]], Undead, it's also hugely tragic for [[spoiler:Gwyn himself.]] Gwyn himself. Already considered one of the most selfless and noble characters in the series, the game really hammers home the tragedy of his character. [[spoiler:His His kingdom has been destroyed. All of his champions murdered. His son betrayed him to his sworn enemies, the Dragons, and quite probably out of ''love'' at that (see below). After choosing to burn in the Kiln for all eternity, his hope of his daughter and other son to preserve his kingdom is completely crushed when it falls to ruin because of the selfishness of the both of them. Said son ends up enduring a FateWorseThanDeath, being consumed by an EldritchAbomination.]] Even the promise of a MercyKill [[spoiler:in in ''Dark Souls 1'']] 1'' is proven false. Even if you disagree with [[spoiler:Gwyn's Gwyn's choice to Link the Fire]], Fire, you'll want to give him a hug by the end of the game.
*** Adding on to the tragedy is the fact that [[spoiler: ''[[TheHeavy everything that happened in the series is Gwyn's fault.]]'' If he could've just kept his fear of the Dark, which as it turns out [[TheSacredDarkness wasn't bad]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero until his Darksign caused it to go out of control]], in check then the cycle of Light and Dark would've passed peacefully. But he couldn't and so humanity and the gods were trapped in a decaying world desperate to end for potentially thousands of years all because Gwyn ''just couldn't let go.'' In the end, [[GodIsFlawed Gwyn was just as scared and desperate for a solution as any of us.]]]]us]].



** Remember the Mushroom Children and their [[MegatonPunch Megaton Punching]] Parents? [[spoiler:They're all dead]]. In a cave in the swamp you find [[spoiler:three Abyss corrupted creatures and several Mushroom People bodies... including the children, and they'll never get up]].
** Exploring the swamp further you can find a chest, containing [[VideoGame/DarkSouls Dusk of Oolacile's]] clothes... except her crown [[spoiler:which is found at the base of the only white tree in the swamp ([[FridgeHorror Perhaps the same color of a mushroom?]])]].

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** Remember the Mushroom Children and their [[MegatonPunch Megaton Punching]] Parents? [[spoiler:They're They're all dead]]. dead. In a cave in the swamp you find [[spoiler:three three Abyss corrupted creatures and several Mushroom People bodies... including the children, and they'll never get up]].
up.
** Exploring the swamp further you can find a chest, containing [[VideoGame/DarkSouls [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsI Dusk of Oolacile's]] clothes... except her crown [[spoiler:which which is found at the base of the only white tree in the swamp ([[FridgeHorror Perhaps the same color of a mushroom?]])]].mushroom?]]).



** Without even getting into the fate of the Abyss Watchers, [[spoiler:forced to play what amounts to an endless game of [[VideoGame/HaloReach Infection]] until they all succumb to Hollowing]].
* High Lord Wolnir was originally a mortal nobleman [[spoiler:who fell into the Abyss. He has spent unknown eons searching desperately for an escape, driven insane by his fear of the darkness, with only his magic sword and the three glowing bangles he scavenged off some dead clerics to provide him comfort. He barely even acknowledges you during your fight, spending most of his time just trying to crawl out the way you came in. And in the end you don't even kill him. [[FateWorseThanDeath You break his grip and throw him back down the pit to the Abyss]] [[AndIMustScream after destroying his only sources of light.]] YouBastard.]]
** [[spoiler:Considerably mitigated by the fact that you later learn he was a selfish monster that had sacrificed hundreds in order to prolong his own life - and the only reason he got stuck in the Abyss was his colossally stupid attempt of a takeover on it. So while still sad, it's mostly a KarmicDeath.]]
* Oceiros, the Consumed King, is a blind, dragon-like thing that [[spoiler:was once a king of Lothric, until he was seduced by the knowledge of the Grand Archives into the worship of Seath the Scaleless. Driven to madness, he remained in the decaying Archives, deluding himself into thinking he still had his youngest child, Ocelotte, with him. Entering the arena has the insane king holding his claw to his chest, believing he's still cradling his child. As the fight goes on, he starts calling out for Ocelotte, saying they have nothing to fear and calling him "child of dragons", also still believing he's protecting his child, as a baby's cries echo through the air. The moment he realizes his arms are empty (whether Ocelotte is dead or gone is unclear), he ''loses it'', immediately breaking down into a feral beast.]]
* The Nameless King starts the second stage of his battle by [[spoiler:laying a hand on the head of his downed GiantFlyer mount before harvesting his soul for more power. When he moves to finish him off, he hesitates for a long moment with his weapon held up. You can see it shaking in his grip.]] According to some item descriptions, the two shared a bond that was thought to be something of a miracle. [[spoiler:Given we're talking about a God from before the first Age of Fire befriending a dragon and even joining the Everlasting Dragons in their war against the Gods, it was indeed considered taboo.]]
** Gets even worse when you read the descriptions on his items and soul; [[spoiler:Put simply, ''this'' God is Gwyn's long-lost firstborn son that had all of his records expunged. And why, pray tell, did Gwyn pull an UnPerson on him? Because he betrayed his father and sided with the Dragons. Even before all the stuff with the Linking of the Fire and committing the First Sin, Gwyn was carrying a lot of emotional baggage around from having to fight his firstborn during the war and then having to forget that he ever existed afterwards]].
** And oh, we aren't done piling on the feels yet. [[spoiler:With this, we can see that a lot of the knights of Gwyn fought in a way that matched a particular member of their pantheon. Artorias obviously learned a lot from Gwyn and fought in a similar manner to him. Gough seems to have learned a good deal from Gwyndolin, when you put two and two together. Ciaran's sort of an odd one out but she might have learned something from the real Gwynevere. It's always been Ornstein who's the real odd one out, because he doesn't line up with anyone... except now, we can see that he was clearly a follower of ''the Nameless'', who simply didn't follow Nameless in switching sides. But this still explains his presence in Anor Londo, which previously seemed a bit random -- he was watching out for the remaining family of the Nameless. He was helping Gwyndolin maintain the light in Anor Londo via the illusory Gwynevere, before eventually leaving to search for his old teacher (judging from the Dragonslayer armour set you find after defeating the Nameless King). The Sacred Oath Miracle's lore, in fact, is a story about Nameless, Artorias, and Ornstein, back in the good old days where they fought together as one against their enemies the Dragons.]]
** Want to [[UpToEleven pile on some more]] potential FridgeHorror onto all of that? [[spoiler:There's a plausible theory that the Nameless King is the unknown godly father of Crossbreed Priscilla from the first game, the child of a God and a Dragon. Which other God had any dealings with dragons other than Seath? Now, consider the description of the bond between the Nameless King and the Stormdrake as being [[ThePowerOfLove "something of a miracle"]] and the fact that we're only ''assuming'' that [[FemaleMonsterSurprise the Stormdrake is male]]... [[InterspeciesRomance you can see where we're going with this, right?]] And how much more horrifying [[KillTheOnesYouLove it would make the King absorbing his mount's power to fight you to the end,]] even if you consider him giving his mortally-wounded mount/possible lover a MercyKill...]]
** Onto the above, isn't the Dragon strictly mentioned with male pronouns? [[spoiler: This would mean that, while there could still be a romance, Priscilla can't be their child. One translation does say that they fought alongside each other countless times.]]
* Gwyndolin shows up again in this game's lore, in the saddest way possible, too. He was born deformed and with the powers of the moon. His own father rejected him as his son and raised him as a daughter while clearly favoring Gwynevere. Gwyndolin is a frail God and yet was left behind in Anor Londo to watch his father's empty crypt and keep the illusion of the sun up. He wanted so badly to be accepted and loved as his siblings were. But Gwyn never gave him a chance. Yet, he clearly still had some strong sense of justice as the leader of the Darkmoon Covenant, punishing the guilty. He also showed sympathy towards fellow outcasts like the Darkmoon Knightess and Crossbreed Priscilla. It's possible Velka was his only friend. He may not have been a nice person, but who can blame him after how he was treated? He could never live up to his father's demands or wishes, was abandoned first by [[spoiler:his elder brother who joined the Dragons,]] and then by his sister who got married and then ran off from the dying kingdom of Anor Londo. In the end, [[spoiler:he falls ill, something Pontiff Sulyvahn takes advantage of to take over Anor Londo, and becomes the victim of a gruesome 'death', by being devoured slowly by Aldrich]].
** Let's just say literally ''nothing'' good ever happens to Gwyndolin in the known lore.
** The current leader of the Darkmoon Covenant is Yorshka, and some lore suggests [[spoiler:the only reason she wasn't devoured by Aldrich was because of Gwyndolin saving her. Gwyndolin just can't catch a break now, can he?]]
** On the topic of [[spoiler: Gwyndolin, [[https://raxabas.deviantart.com/art/Gwyndolin-devoured-by-Aldrich-638890762 this fanart]] depicts Gwyndolin being eaten by Aldrich, reaching for his staff in a feeble attempt to try and put up some semblance of a fight.]]
** This all becomes even worse when you consider [[spoiler: Pontiff Sulyvahn (possibly) deliberately poisoned Gwyndolin for the express purpose of weakening him enough to make him an easy target for Aldrich. It makes you wonder how things would have gone if Gwyndolin had been at full power when Aldrich invaded. Perhaps, instead of having to MercyKill him, he would be [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome giving us Aldrich’s cinders]] and speeding us on our way to link the fire.]] Never has WhatCouldHaveBeen been so absolutely tragic.
*** ** If you kill [[spoiler:Company Captain Yorshka]], her last words are [[spoiler:asking for her brother Gwyndolin's forgiveness, because of you having made his sacrifice worthless]].
* ''Everything'' about Farron's Undead Legion, aka The Abyss Watchers. [[spoiler:Essentially, a military organisation that was founded by ''Sir Artorias'', they have sworn their lives protecting the world from the shadows and nameless horrors of the Abyss. Partaking in wolf blood and donning dark armor, they are nevertheless selfless, heroic soldiers. When they were called on to burn in the Kiln for the greater good, they decided to do it as one, as [[TrueCompanions brothers]]. However, the Abyss, the very thing they swore to destroy, had corrupted them and driven them mad, just like their founder. Now brother kills brother in mindless, endless combat]], and just like everything else [[spoiler:the Abyss touches]], they need your help to be granted their final [[MercyKill rest.]]
* The final Lord of Cinder: Lothric the Younger Prince, is even ''more'' heart-wrenching than the Abyss Watchers: [[spoiler:Lothric was predetermined and groomed to link the First Flame, to the point that he was never given anything to wear beyond a ''sacrificial hairshirt he was given at birth''. When you encounter him, he's been [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy broken and disillusioned into wanting the world to fade into darkness for daring to demand he submit his essence to such agony again]]. And yet you force him to go back anyway, possibly for nothing if you forgo Linking the Flame yourself.]]
** This extends to [[spoiler:his brother; Lorian the Elder Prince. As Lothric grew up, it became apparent he was too physically frail to handle the strain of being a Vessel of Fire, so Lorian had to step in and bear the brunt of the Flame's power in his stead when the time came. This broke his mind and reduced him to a brute forced to crawl around on his knees.]]

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** Without even getting into the fate of the Abyss Watchers, [[spoiler:forced forced to play what amounts to an endless game of [[VideoGame/HaloReach Infection]] until they all succumb to Hollowing]].
Hollowing.
* High Lord Wolnir was originally a mortal nobleman [[spoiler:who who fell into the Abyss. He has spent unknown eons searching desperately for an escape, driven insane by his fear of the darkness, with only his magic sword and the three glowing bangles he scavenged off some dead clerics to provide him comfort. He barely even acknowledges you during your fight, spending most of his time just trying to crawl out the way you came in. And in the end you don't even kill him. [[FateWorseThanDeath You break his grip and throw him back down the pit to the Abyss]] [[AndIMustScream after destroying his only sources of light.]] YouBastard.]]
light]].
** [[spoiler:Considerably Considerably mitigated by the fact that you later learn he was a selfish monster that had sacrificed hundreds in order to prolong his own life - and the only reason he got stuck in the Abyss was his colossally stupid attempt of a takeover on it. So while still sad, it's mostly a KarmicDeath.]]
KarmicDeath.
* Oceiros, the Consumed King, is a blind, dragon-like thing that [[spoiler:was was once a king of Lothric, until he was seduced by the knowledge of the Grand Archives into the worship of Seath the Scaleless. Driven to madness, he remained in the decaying Archives, deluding himself into thinking he still had his youngest child, Ocelotte, with him. Entering the arena has the insane king holding his claw to his chest, believing he's still cradling his child. As the fight goes on, he starts calling out for Ocelotte, saying they have nothing to fear and calling him "child of dragons", also still believing he's protecting his child, as a baby's cries echo through the air. The moment he realizes his arms are empty (whether Ocelotte is dead or gone is unclear), he ''loses it'', immediately breaking down into a feral beast.]]
beast.
* The Nameless King starts the second stage of his battle by [[spoiler:laying laying a hand on the head of his downed GiantFlyer mount before harvesting his soul for more power. When he moves to finish him off, he hesitates for a long moment with his weapon held up. You can see it shaking in his grip.]] According to some item descriptions, the two shared a bond that was thought to be something of a miracle. [[spoiler:Given Given we're talking about a God from before the first Age of Fire befriending a dragon and even joining the Everlasting Dragons in their war against the Gods, it was indeed considered taboo.]]
taboo.
** Gets even worse when you read the descriptions on his items and soul; [[spoiler:Put put simply, ''this'' God is Gwyn's long-lost firstborn son that had all of his records expunged. And why, pray tell, did Gwyn pull an UnPerson on him? Because he betrayed his father and sided with the Dragons. Even before all the stuff with the Linking of the Fire and committing the First Sin, Gwyn was carrying a lot of emotional baggage around from having to fight his firstborn during the war and then having to forget that he ever existed afterwards]].
afterwards.
** And oh, we aren't done piling on the feels yet. [[spoiler:With With this, we can see that a lot of the knights of Gwyn fought in a way that matched a particular member of their pantheon. Artorias obviously learned a lot from Gwyn and fought in a similar manner to him. Gough seems to have learned a good deal from Gwyndolin, when you put two and two together. Ciaran's sort of an odd one out but she might have learned something from the real Gwynevere. It's always been Ornstein who's the real odd one out, because he doesn't line up with anyone... except now, we can see that he was clearly a follower of ''the Nameless'', who simply didn't follow Nameless in switching sides. But this still explains his presence in Anor Londo, which previously seemed a bit random -- he was watching out for the remaining family of the Nameless. He was helping Gwyndolin maintain the light in Anor Londo via the illusory Gwynevere, before eventually leaving to search for his old teacher (judging from the Dragonslayer armour set you find after defeating the Nameless King). The Sacred Oath Miracle's lore, in fact, is a story about Nameless, Artorias, and Ornstein, back in the good old days where they fought together as one against their enemies the Dragons.]]
** Want to [[UpToEleven pile on some more]] potential FridgeHorror onto all of that? [[spoiler:There's a plausible theory that the Nameless King is the unknown godly father of Crossbreed Priscilla from the first game, the child of a God and a Dragon. Which other God had any dealings with dragons other than Seath? Now, consider the description of the bond between the Nameless King and the Stormdrake as being [[ThePowerOfLove "something of a miracle"]] and the fact that we're only ''assuming'' that [[FemaleMonsterSurprise the Stormdrake is male]]... [[InterspeciesRomance you can see where we're going with this, right?]] And how much more horrifying [[KillTheOnesYouLove it would make the King absorbing his mount's power to fight you to the end,]] even if you consider him giving his mortally-wounded mount/possible lover a MercyKill...]]
** Onto the above, isn't the Dragon strictly mentioned with male pronouns? [[spoiler: This would mean that, while there could still be a romance, Priscilla can't be their child. One translation does say that they fought alongside each other countless times.]]
Dragons.
* Gwyndolin shows up again in this game's lore, in the saddest way possible, too. He was born deformed and with the powers of the moon. His own father rejected him as his son and raised him as a daughter while clearly favoring Gwynevere. Gwyndolin is a frail God and yet was left behind in Anor Londo to watch his father's empty crypt and keep the illusion of the sun up. He wanted so badly to be accepted and loved as his siblings were. But Gwyn never gave him a chance. Yet, he clearly still had some strong sense of justice as the leader of the Darkmoon Covenant, punishing the guilty. He also showed sympathy towards fellow outcasts like the Darkmoon Knightess and Crossbreed Priscilla. It's possible Velka was his only friend. He may not have been a nice person, but who can blame him after how he was treated? He could never live up to his father's demands or wishes, was abandoned first by [[spoiler:his his elder brother who joined the Dragons,]] Dragons, and then by his sister who got married and then ran off from the dying kingdom of Anor Londo. In the end, [[spoiler:he he falls ill, something Pontiff Sulyvahn takes advantage of to take over Anor Londo, and becomes the victim of a gruesome 'death', by being devoured slowly by Aldrich]].
** Let's just say literally ''nothing'' good ever happens to Gwyndolin in the known lore.
Aldrich.
** The current leader of the Darkmoon Covenant is Yorshka, and some lore suggests [[spoiler:the the only reason she wasn't devoured by Aldrich was because of Gwyndolin saving her. Gwyndolin just can't catch a break now, can he?]]
he?
** On the topic of [[spoiler: Gwyndolin, [[https://raxabas.deviantart.com/art/Gwyndolin-devoured-by-Aldrich-638890762 this fanart]] depicts Gwyndolin being eaten by Aldrich, reaching for his staff in a feeble attempt to try and put up some semblance of a fight.]]
fight.
** This all becomes even worse when you consider [[spoiler: Pontiff Sulyvahn (possibly) deliberately poisoned Gwyndolin for the express purpose of weakening him enough to make him an easy target for Aldrich. It makes you wonder how things would have gone if Gwyndolin had been at full power when Aldrich invaded. Perhaps, instead of having to MercyKill him, he would be [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome giving us Aldrich’s cinders]] and speeding us on our way to link the fire.]] Never has WhatCouldHaveBeen been so absolutely tragic.
*** ** If you kill [[spoiler:Company Company Captain Yorshka]], Yorshka, her last words are [[spoiler:asking asking for her brother Gwyndolin's forgiveness, because of you having made his sacrifice worthless]].
worthless.
* ''Everything'' about Farron's Undead Legion, aka The Abyss Watchers. [[spoiler:Essentially, Essentially, a military organisation that was founded by ''Sir Artorias'', they have sworn their lives protecting the world from the shadows and nameless horrors of the Abyss. Partaking in wolf blood and donning dark armor, they are nevertheless selfless, heroic soldiers. When they were called on to burn in the Kiln for the greater good, they decided to do it as one, as [[TrueCompanions brothers]]. However, the Abyss, the very thing they swore to destroy, had corrupted them and driven them mad, just like their founder. Now brother kills brother in mindless, endless combat]], combat, and just like everything else [[spoiler:the the Abyss touches]], touches, they need your help to be granted their final [[MercyKill rest.]]
rest]].
* The final Lord of Cinder: Lothric the Younger Prince, is even ''more'' heart-wrenching than the Abyss Watchers: [[spoiler:Lothric Lothric was predetermined and groomed to link the First Flame, to the point that he was never given anything to wear beyond a ''sacrificial hairshirt he was given at birth''. When you encounter him, he's been [[MaddenIntoMisanthropy broken and disillusioned into wanting the world to fade into darkness for daring to demand he submit his essence to such agony again]]. And yet you force him to go back anyway, possibly for nothing if you forgo Linking the Flame yourself.]]
yourself.
** This extends to [[spoiler:his his brother; Lorian the Elder Prince. As Lothric grew up, it became apparent he was too physically frail to handle the strain of being a Vessel of Fire, so Lorian had to step in and bear the brunt of the Flame's power in his stead when the time came. This broke his mind and reduced him to a brute forced to crawl around on his knees.]]

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* The fate of Humanity, already a pretty heavy TearJerker in the rest of the series, gets profoundly worse in ''The Ringed City''; [[spoiler: The Pygmy Lords, original bearers of the Dark Soul, actually were kind and decent folk who ''did'' aid Gwyn in his war against the dragons, sending their Ringed Knights wielding weapons and armaments forged in the Abyss to fight. They ''revered'' the Gods of Anor Londo and sought only to please and serve them. So what did Gwyn do in repayment for their service and sacrifice? [[UnPerson He struck them from history]] [[JerkassGods and placed the Darksign on them as a "seal of fire" to cut them off from the powers of the Abyss due to his fear of the power of Dark.]] That's right; ''mankind's suffering was entirely Gwyn's fault!'' The Pygmies of the Ringed City only wanted to serve, and had much greater control over their dark souls, and then Gwyn fucked them up by denying them their nature when it presented no obvious threat to him, creating both the Undead Curse and the cycle of light and dark that would bring about the utter ruination of the world.]]
** [[spoiler: No wonder [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Aldia sounded enraged when discussing the First Sin.]] He had discovered that Gwyn's fear of the Dark [[CrapsackWorld resulted in the world teetering on the edge of the Abyss]], kept in its present state by sacrificing someone to Link the Flame. Armed with the knowledge that someone revered as God and a paragon of virtue had set the world on the road to oblivion out of fear would drive many to rage.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Aldia''': Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity. And men assumed a fleeting form. These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite…'''A LIE WILL REMAIN A LIE!''']]
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* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life was to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it was ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. Gael's scheme to create a Painted World was for naught, as it bought life just a final margin of time before it too succumbed to the dark. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.

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* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life was to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it was ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. Gael's scheme to create a Painted World was for naught, as it bought whatever small figment of life that resided in it just a final margin of time before it too succumbed to the dark. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.
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* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life is to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it's ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.

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* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life is was to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it's it was ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. Gael's scheme to create a Painted World was for naught, as it bought life just a final margin of time before it too succumbed to the dark. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.
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*** Adding on to the tragedy is the fact that [[spoiler: ''everything that happened in the series is Gwyn's fault.'' If he could've just kept his fear of the Dark, which as it turns out [[TheSacredDarkness wasn't bad]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero until his Darksign caused it to go out of control]], in check then the cycle of Light and Dark would've passed peacefully. But he couldn't and so humanity and the gods were trapped in a decaying world desperate to end for potentially thousands of years all because Gwyn ''just couldn't let go.'' In the end, [[GodIsFlawed Gwyn was just as scared and desperate for a solution as any of us.]]]]

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*** Adding on to the tragedy is the fact that [[spoiler: ''everything ''[[TheHeavy everything that happened in the series is Gwyn's fault.'' ]]'' If he could've just kept his fear of the Dark, which as it turns out [[TheSacredDarkness wasn't bad]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero until his Darksign caused it to go out of control]], in check then the cycle of Light and Dark would've passed peacefully. But he couldn't and so humanity and the gods were trapped in a decaying world desperate to end for potentially thousands of years all because Gwyn ''just couldn't let go.'' In the end, [[GodIsFlawed Gwyn was just as scared and desperate for a solution as any of us.]]]]
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*** Adding on to the tragedy is the fact that [[spoiler: ''everything that happened in the series is Gwyn's fault.'' If he could've just kept his fear of the Dark, which as it turns out [[TheSacredDarkness wasn't bad]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero until his Darksign caused it to go out of control]], in check then the cycle of Light and Dark would've passed peacefully. But he couldn't and so humanity and the gods were trapped in a decaying world desperate to end for potentially thousands of years all because Gwyn ''just couldn't let go.'' In the end, [[GodIsFlawed Gwyn was just as scared and desperate for a solution as any of us.]]]]
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* The description of the Sovereignless Soul starting gift reads: "The sovereignless soul of one who slept beside you." It could mean that after your passing, your spouse came to spend his/her last moments besides you. Unfortunately, seeing how player character comes back as an Unkindled, it seems that they are not meant ot be TogetherInDeath.

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* The description of the Sovereignless Soul starting gift reads: "The sovereignless soul of one who slept beside you." It could mean that after your passing, your spouse or someone else important to you came to spend his/her last moments besides you. Unfortunately, seeing how player character comes back as an Unkindled, it seems that they are not meant ot be TogetherInDeath.
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* Should you kill Ludleth of Courland, he will be revived upon reloading the shrine. Upon approaching him to speak to him again, he'll be asleep and dreaming of the time that he became the one to link the flame. In a few words, the excruciating pain that he experienced in the kiln becomes clear and really drives home the sacrifice these people are making...for nothing, as the fire just fades again and again.
-->'''Ludleth of Courland''': Ahh, it singeth, to the bone, it hurts... Please, help me. Be done with me... No, gods, no, I cannot bear it... It burns, burns, help me...
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** Onto the above, isn't the Dragon strictly mentioned with male pronouns? This would mean that, while there could still be a romance, Priscilla can't be their child. One translation does say that they fought alongside each other countless times.

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** Onto the above, isn't the Dragon strictly mentioned with male pronouns? [[spoiler: This would mean that, while there could still be a romance, Priscilla can't be their child. One translation does say that they fought alongside each other countless times.]]
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** Onto the above, isn't the Dragon strictly mentioned with male pronouns? This would mean that it was only a friendship formed between those two. One translation does say that they fought alongside each other countless times.

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** Onto the above, isn't the Dragon strictly mentioned with male pronouns? This would mean that it was only that, while there could still be a friendship formed between those two.romance, Priscilla can't be their child. One translation does say that they fought alongside each other countless times.
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* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, losing their minds, bodies, and souls. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation, in the hopes for a better future. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence, only to find that it's best just wasn't enough. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, like the First Flame, it has nothing else more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. All that remains is ash.

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* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, losing their minds, bodies, and souls. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation, in the hopes for a better future. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence, only to find that it's best just wasn't enough. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, like the First Flame, it has nothing else more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. All that remains is ash.ash.
* The description of the Sovereignless Soul starting gift reads: "The sovereignless soul of one who slept beside you." It could mean that after your passing, your spouse came to spend his/her last moments besides you. Unfortunately, seeing how player character comes back as an Unkindled, it seems that they are not meant ot be TogetherInDeath.
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** Without even getting into the fate of the Abyss Watchers, [[spoiler:forced to play what amounts to an endless game of [[HaloReach Infection]] until they all succumb to Hollowing]].

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** Without even getting into the fate of the Abyss Watchers, [[spoiler:forced to play what amounts to an endless game of [[HaloReach [[VideoGame/HaloReach Infection]] until they all succumb to Hollowing]].
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* The sheer soul-crushing fact that everything everyone fought, struggled, suffered, and died for in the previous two games was all for naught is a serious case of FridgeHorror. No one figured out how to stop the Curse or the cycle, countless civilizations have come and gone by building on the bones of their predecessors only for them to become the next set of bones, and ''nothing anyone could do could prevent this.'' Even ''[[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Dark Souls II's]]'' revelation that [[spoiler: Vendrick figured out how to stop the curse and break the cycle but was too late to implement it]] is of little comfort given that this game proves [[spoiler: that The Bearer of the Curse a.k.a. ''YOU'' were unable to do anything even with the cure he gave you.]] And all of this pain and misery and senseless sacrifice is this game's ''set-up!''

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* The sheer soul-crushing fact that everything everyone fought, struggled, suffered, and died for in the previous two games was all for naught is a serious case of FridgeHorror. No one figured out how to stop the Curse or the cycle, countless civilizations have come and gone by building on the bones of their predecessors only for them to become the next set of bones, and ''nothing anyone could do could prevent this.'' Even ''[[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Dark Souls II's]]'' ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII's'' revelation that [[spoiler: Vendrick figured out how to stop the curse and break the cycle but was too late to implement it]] is of little comfort given that this game proves [[spoiler: that The Bearer of the Curse a.k.a. ''YOU'' were unable to do anything even with the cure he gave you.]] And all of this pain and misery and senseless sacrifice is this game's ''set-up!''



** Exploring the swamp further you can find a chest, containing [[DarkSouls Dusk of Oolacile's]] clothes... except her crown [[spoiler:which is found at the base of the only white tree in the swamp ([[FridgeHorror Perhaps the same color of a mushroom?]])]].

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**[[spoiler: No wonder [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Aldia sounded enraged when discussing the First Sin.]] He had discovered that Gwyn's fear of the Dark [[CrapsackWorld resulted in the world teetering on the edge of the Abyss]], kept in its present state by sacrificing someone to Link the Flame. Armed with the knowledge that someone revered as God and a paragon of virtue had set the world on the road to oblivion out of fear would drive many to rage.]]
-->[[spoiler:'''Aldia''': Once, the Lord of Light banished Dark, and all that stemmed from humanity. And men assumed a fleeting form. These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite…'''A LIE WILL REMAIN A LIE!''']]
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** On the topic of [[spoiler: Gwyndolin, [[https://raxabas.deviantart.com/art/Gwyndolin-devoured-by-Aldrich-638890762 this fanart]] depicts Gwyndolin being eaten by Aldrich, reaching for his staff in a feeble attempt to try and put up some semblance of a fight.]]
** This all becomes even worse when you consider [[spoiler: Pontiff Sulyvahn (possibly) deliberately poisoned Gwyndolin for the express purpose of weakening him enough to make him an easy target for Aldrich. It makes you wonder how things would have gone if Gwyndolin had been at full power when Aldrich invaded. Perhaps, instead of having to MercyKill him, he would be [[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome giving us Aldrich’s cinders]] and speeding us on our way to link the fire.]] Never has WhatCouldHaveBeen been so absolutely tragic.
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** [[spoiler:Gael's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggWJLgN-Es battle theme]]. It reeks with a sense of tragedy and finality, and nothing else. It suits everything perfectly - the WorldOfSilence that is now the Ringed City, Gael's [[TheCorruption sanity fading to nothing]] from consuming the Dark Soul - before becoming ''its very embodiment'', and just the very fact that this is the end of Dark Souls. It's not a triumphant fanfare like ''Soul of Cinder'', nor a somber piece like Gwyn's theme. It's a dramatic, tragic song, that almost becomes nightmarish in the third phase, and it's ''perfect'' as Dark Souls' farewell piece.]]

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** [[spoiler:Gael's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggWJLgN-Es battle theme]]. It reeks with a sense of tragedy and finality, and nothing else. It suits everything perfectly - the WorldOfSilence that is now the Ringed City, Gael's [[TheCorruption sanity fading to nothing]] from consuming the Dark Soul - before becoming ''its very embodiment'', and just the very fact that this is the end of Dark Souls. It's not a triumphant fanfare like ''Soul of Cinder'', nor a somber piece like Gwyn's theme or Aldia's theme. It's a dramatic, tragic song, that almost becomes nightmarish in the third phase, and it's ''perfect'' as Dark Souls' farewell piece.]]

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* The current leader of the Darkmoon Covenant is Yorshka, and some lore suggests [[spoiler:the only reason she wasn't devoured by Aldrich was because of Gwyndolin saving her. Gwyndolin just can't catch a break now, can he?]]

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* ** The current leader of the Darkmoon Covenant is Yorshka, and some lore suggests [[spoiler:the only reason she wasn't devoured by Aldrich was because of Gwyndolin saving her. Gwyndolin just can't catch a break now, can he?]] he?]]
*** ** If you kill [[spoiler:Company Captain Yorshka]], her last words are [[spoiler:asking for her brother Gwyndolin's forgiveness, because of you having made his sacrifice worthless]].



* If you kill [[spoiler:Company Captain Yorshka]], her last words are [[spoiler:asking for her brother Gwyndolin's forgiveness, because of you having made his sacrifice worthless]].
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* Greirat's storyline - a petty thief asks you to bring a ring to a woman named Loretta, nothing special, right? Well... [[spoiler:Once you get to Undead Settlement you find a body clutching a bone named "Loretta's Bone". Once you give it to Greirat he acts surprised that she's already dead but tries to laugh it off as 'almost a relief' and tells you to keep the ring. Once you come back, however, he's curled up, repeating to himself about how Loretta's dead.]] And if that wasn't bad enough: [[spoiler:he calls her 'old Loretta'. And the ring you're supposed to give her? The ''Blue Tearstone Ring''. You know, the ring that significantly boosts your defenses when you are near death? Suddenly him insisting that you get the ring to her as fast as possible takes on a new meaning.]]
** Hell, it could get even worse for him if you take this to its logical conclusion; throughout the game Greirat offers to go out plundering for you, and you get rewarded with new items to buy from him when he gets back. [[spoiler: Except for the third time he goes out, where he'll get murdered in Irithyll if you haven't befriended Patches and talked to him about Greirat. Given that Greirat lost someone very close to him in Loretta, his plundering could be seen as attempting SuicideByCop since he really has [[DeathSeeker nothing left to live for.]]]] This poor fella just can't catch a break, can he?

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* Greirat's storyline - a petty thief asks you to bring a ring to a an old woman named Loretta, nothing special, right? Well... [[spoiler:Once you get to Undead Settlement you find a body clutching a bone named "Loretta's Bone". Once you give it to Greirat he acts surprised that she's already dead but tries to laugh it off as 'almost a relief' and tells you to keep the ring. Once you come back, however, he's curled up, repeating to himself about how Loretta's dead.]] And if that wasn't bad enough: [[spoiler:he calls her 'old Loretta'. And the [[spoiler:The ring you're you were supposed to give her? The her is the ''Blue Tearstone Ring''. You know, the ring that significantly boosts your defenses resilience when you are near death? Suddenly him insisting that you get the ring to her as fast as possible takes on a new meaning.]]
** Hell, it could get even worse for him if you take this to its logical conclusion; throughout the game Greirat offers to go out plundering for you, and you get rewarded with new items to buy from him when he gets back. [[spoiler: Except [[spoiler:Except for the third second time he goes out, where he'll get murdered in Irithyll if you haven't befriended neither Siegward nor Patches and talked is there to him about Greirat.save him. And the third time, where he's guaranteed to get murdered in Lothric Castle without any way of saving him. Given that Greirat lost someone very close to him in Loretta, his plundering could be seen as attempting SuicideByCop since he really has [[DeathSeeker nothing left to live for.]]]] This poor fella just can't catch a break, can he?
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* The description of [[spoiler: Gael's]] soul reveals that [[spoiler: Gael knew that his quest for the Dark Soul would likely end with him ruined by it and that he probably wouldn't return to his lady. And sure enough, he ends up taking the Soul for himself and becoming a mad beast who has to be put down. And if you take the Blood of the Dark Soul and give it to the Painter, she will wonder when Gael will make his return, not knowing that you had to kill him to get the blood. It's even worse if you interpret Gael's actions as a desperate ThanatosGambit: finding that the blood of the Pygmy Lords had dried, he took the Dark Soul in order to create blood that could be used as pigment and hoped that you could kill him to take it to her.]]
* The fate of Humanity, already a pretty heavy TearJerker in the rest of the series, gets profoundly worse in ''The Ringed City''; [[spoiler: The Pygmy Lords, original bearers of the Dark Soul, actually were kind and decent folk who ''did'' aid Gwyn in his war against the dragons, sending their Ringed Knights wielding weapons and armaments forged in the Abyss to fight. They ''revered'' the Gods of Anor Londo and sought only to please and serve them. So what did Gwyn do in repayment for their service and sacrifice? [[UnPerson He struck them from history]] [[JerkassGods and placed the Darksign on them as a "seal of fire" to cut them off from the powers of the Abyss due to his fear of the power of Dark.]] That's right; ''mankind's suffering was entirely Gwyn's fault!'' The Pygmies of the Ringed City only wanted to serve, and had much greater control over their dark souls, and then Gwyn fucked them up by denying them their nature when it presented no obvious threat to him, creating both the undead curse and the cycle of light and dark the would bring about the utter ruination of the world.]]

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* The description of [[spoiler: Gael's]] soul reveals that [[spoiler: Gael knew that his quest for the Dark Soul would likely end with him ruined by it and that he probably wouldn't return to his lady. And sure enough, he does ends up taking the Soul for himself and becoming a mad beast who has to be put down. And if you take the Blood of the Dark Soul and give it to the Painter, she will wonder when Gael will make his return, not knowing that you had to kill him to get the blood. It's even worse if you interpret Gael's actions as a desperate ThanatosGambit: finding Finding out that the blood of the Pygmy Lords had dried, he took the Dark Soul in order to create blood that could be used as pigment and hoped that you could kill him to take it to her.]]
* The fate of Humanity, already a pretty heavy TearJerker in the rest of the series, gets profoundly worse in ''The Ringed City''; [[spoiler: The Pygmy Lords, original bearers of the Dark Soul, actually were kind and decent folk who ''did'' aid Gwyn in his war against the dragons, sending their Ringed Knights wielding weapons and armaments forged in the Abyss to fight. They ''revered'' the Gods of Anor Londo and sought only to please and serve them. So what did Gwyn do in repayment for their service and sacrifice? [[UnPerson He struck them from history]] [[JerkassGods and placed the Darksign on them as a "seal of fire" to cut them off from the powers of the Abyss due to his fear of the power of Dark.]] That's right; ''mankind's suffering was entirely Gwyn's fault!'' The Pygmies of the Ringed City only wanted to serve, and had much greater control over their dark souls, and then Gwyn fucked them up by denying them their nature when it presented no obvious threat to him, creating both the undead curse Undead Curse and the cycle of light and dark the that would bring about the utter ruination of the world.]]



** It's also worth a note that [[spoiler:when Filianore wakes up, golden light envelopes her and the surroundings from the broken eggshells, at which point she becomes a corpse and the Ringed City is returned to its "true" state. It's possible that whatever was sealing the time was connected to the egg she was holding. And what was the state of the egg when you found Filianore again? The shell was ''half-broken'', and a light touch from you completely shattered it. So perhaps the spell's effect was already diminishing, and Filianore and the Ringed City probably did not have much more time before you came..]]
* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life is to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it's ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.
* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, losing their minds, bodies, and souls. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation, in the hopes for a better future. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence, only to find that it;s best just wasn't enough. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, like the First Flame, and it has nothing else more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. All that remains is ash.

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** It's also worth a note that [[spoiler:when Filianore wakes up, golden light envelopes her and the surroundings from the broken eggshells, at which point she becomes a corpse and the Ringed City is returned to its "true" state. It's possible that whatever was sealing the time was connected to the egg she was holding. And what was the state of the egg when you found Filianore again? The shell was ''half-broken'', and a light touch from you completely shattered it. So perhaps the spell's effect was already diminishing, and Filianore and the Ringed City probably did not have much more time before you came..came...]]
* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder Cinder's sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life is to guard the Flame... and as stated before, it's ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution in time. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.
* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, losing their minds, bodies, and souls. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation, in the hopes for a better future. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence, only to find that it;s it's best just wasn't enough. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, like the First Flame, and it has nothing else more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. All that remains is ash.
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*** While this seems to not be the case, the choices you're given at the very end are definitely of the morose sort. [[spoiler:Put simply, you can choose to "Inherit the order of the world" as Aldia put it by Linking the Fire or letting it fade, or if you completed Yuria's and Anri's side quest you can choose to "Usurp the Fire", not only letting it fade out but stealing its power away for yourself so you can become the new ruler of Londor, and presumably of all mankind. Imagine the state of the world after you do ''that.'']]
*** Honestly, can the world possibly [[spoiler:get any worse? It's possible this ending is at the very least no ''worse'' than the ending where you extinguish the flame. At least, not the version where you [[WhatTheHellHero DON'T murder the Fire Keeper in the closing cutscene]]. It's possible to view the ending as the final breaking of a perpetually melancholy cycle, and to achieve this ending you have to at least choose a path that offers some kindness and mercy - you can't get the ending at all if you're a complete asshole. At least a human has control now beyond being a pawn of fate. Maybe you ''will'' make Londor whole. After all, the Dark isn't necessarily any worse or better than the Light.]]

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*** While this seems to not be the case, the choices you're given at the very end are definitely of the morose sort. [[spoiler:Put simply, you can choose to "Inherit the order of the world" as Aldia put it by Linking the Fire or letting it fade, or if you completed Yuria's and Anri's side quest you can choose to "Usurp the Fire", not only letting it fade out but stealing its power away for yourself so you can become the new ruler of Londor, and presumably of all of what's left of mankind. Imagine the state of the world after you do ''that.'']]
*** Honestly, can the world possibly [[spoiler:get any worse? It's possible this ending is at the very least no ''worse'' than the ending where you extinguish the flame. At least, not the version where you [[WhatTheHellHero DON'T murder the Fire Keeper in the closing cutscene]]. It's possible to view the ending as the final breaking of a perpetually melancholy cycle, and to achieve this ending you have to at least choose a path that offers some measure of kindness and mercy - you can't get the ending at all if you're a complete asshole. At least a human has control now beyond being a pawn of fate. Maybe you ''will'' make Londor whole. After all, the Dark isn't necessarily any worse or better than the Light.]]



** Exploring the swamp further you can find a chest, containing [[DarkSouls Dusk of Oolacile's]] clothes... except her crown [[spoiler:which is found at the base of the only white tree in the swamp ([[FridgeHorror perhaps the same color of a mushroom?]])]].
** The fact that Abyss tainted creatures exist here as they once did in Oolacile (which was located rather close to Darkroot Forest in the distant past) makes the fight against Manus all the more bittersweet.

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** Exploring the swamp further you can find a chest, containing [[DarkSouls Dusk of Oolacile's]] clothes... except her crown [[spoiler:which is found at the base of the only white tree in the swamp ([[FridgeHorror perhaps Perhaps the same color of a mushroom?]])]].
** The fact that Abyss tainted Abyss-tainted creatures exist here as they once did in Oolacile (which was located rather close to Darkroot Forest in the distant past) makes the fight against Manus all the more bittersweet.



** Gets even worse when you read the descriptions on his items and soul; [[spoiler:Put simply, ''this'' man is Gwyn's long lost firstborn son that had all of his records expunged. And why, pray tell, did Gwyn pull an UnPerson on him? Because he betrayed his father and sided with the Dragons. Even before all the stuff with the Linking of the Fire and committing the First Sin, Gwyn was carrying a lot of emotional baggage around from having to fight his firstborn during the war and having to forget he ever existed afterwards]].
** And oh, we aren't done piling on the feels yet. [[spoiler:With this, we can see that a lot of the knights of Gwyn fought in a way that matched a particular member of the pantheon. Artorias obviously learned a lot from Gwyn and fought in a similar manner to him. Gough seems to have learned a good deal from Gwyndolin, when you put two and two together. Ciaran's sort of an odd one out but she might have learned something from the real Gwynevere. It's always been Ornstein who's the real odd one out, because he doesn't line up with anyone... except now, we can see that he was clearly a follower of ''the Nameless'', who simply didn't follow Nameless in switching sides. But this still explains his presence in Anor Londo, which previously seemed a bit random -- he was watching out for the remaining family of the Nameless. He was helping Gwyndolin maintain the light in Anor Londo via the illusory Gwynevere, before eventually leaving to search for his old teacher (judging from the Dragonslayer armour set you find after defeating the Nameless King). The Sacred Oath miracle lore, in fact, is a story about Nameless, Artorias, and Ornstein, back in the good old days where they fought as one against their enemies the Dragons.]]

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** Gets even worse when you read the descriptions on his items and soul; [[spoiler:Put simply, ''this'' man God is Gwyn's long lost long-lost firstborn son that had all of his records expunged. And why, pray tell, did Gwyn pull an UnPerson on him? Because he betrayed his father and sided with the Dragons. Even before all the stuff with the Linking of the Fire and committing the First Sin, Gwyn was carrying a lot of emotional baggage around from having to fight his firstborn during the war and then having to forget that he ever existed afterwards]].
** And oh, we aren't done piling on the feels yet. [[spoiler:With this, we can see that a lot of the knights of Gwyn fought in a way that matched a particular member of the their pantheon. Artorias obviously learned a lot from Gwyn and fought in a similar manner to him. Gough seems to have learned a good deal from Gwyndolin, when you put two and two together. Ciaran's sort of an odd one out but she might have learned something from the real Gwynevere. It's always been Ornstein who's the real odd one out, because he doesn't line up with anyone... except now, we can see that he was clearly a follower of ''the Nameless'', who simply didn't follow Nameless in switching sides. But this still explains his presence in Anor Londo, which previously seemed a bit random -- he was watching out for the remaining family of the Nameless. He was helping Gwyndolin maintain the light in Anor Londo via the illusory Gwynevere, before eventually leaving to search for his old teacher (judging from the Dragonslayer armour set you find after defeating the Nameless King). The Sacred Oath miracle Miracle's lore, in fact, is a story about Nameless, Artorias, and Ornstein, back in the good old days where they fought together as one against their enemies the Dragons.]]



* Gwyndolin shows up again in this game's lore, in the saddest way possible, too. He was born deformed and with the powers of the moon. His own father rejected him as his son and raised him as a daughter while clearly favoring Gwynevere. Gwyndolin is a frail God and yet was left behind in Anor Londo to watch his father's empty crypt and keep the illusion of the sun up. He wanted so badly to be accepted and loved as his siblings were. But Gwyn never gave him a chance. Yet, he clearly still had some strong sense of justice as the leader of the Darkmoon Covenant, punishing the guilty. He also showed sympathy towards fellow outcasts like the Darkmoon Knightess and Priscilla. It's possible Velka was his only friend. He may not have been a nice person, but who can blame him after how he was treated? He could never live up to his father's demands or wishes, was abandoned first by [[spoiler:his elder brother who joined the Dragons,]] and then by his sister who got married and ran off from the dying kingdom of Anor Londo. In the end, [[spoiler:he falls ill, something Pontiff Sulyvahn takes advantage of to take over Anor Londo, and becomes the victim of a gruesome 'death', by being devoured slowly by Aldrich]].

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* Gwyndolin shows up again in this game's lore, in the saddest way possible, too. He was born deformed and with the powers of the moon. His own father rejected him as his son and raised him as a daughter while clearly favoring Gwynevere. Gwyndolin is a frail God and yet was left behind in Anor Londo to watch his father's empty crypt and keep the illusion of the sun up. He wanted so badly to be accepted and loved as his siblings were. But Gwyn never gave him a chance. Yet, he clearly still had some strong sense of justice as the leader of the Darkmoon Covenant, punishing the guilty. He also showed sympathy towards fellow outcasts like the Darkmoon Knightess and Crossbreed Priscilla. It's possible Velka was his only friend. He may not have been a nice person, but who can blame him after how he was treated? He could never live up to his father's demands or wishes, was abandoned first by [[spoiler:his elder brother who joined the Dragons,]] and then by his sister who got married and then ran off from the dying kingdom of Anor Londo. In the end, [[spoiler:he falls ill, something Pontiff Sulyvahn takes advantage of to take over Anor Londo, and becomes the victim of a gruesome 'death', by being devoured slowly by Aldrich]].



* ''Everything'' about Farron's Undead Legion, aka, The Abyss Watchers. [[spoiler:Essentially, a military organisation that was founded by ''Sir Artorias'', they have sworn their lives protecting the world from the shadows and nameless horrors of the Abyss. Partaking in wolf blood and donning dark armor, they are nevertheless selfless, heroic soldiers. When they were called on to burn in the Kiln for the greater good, they decided to do it as one, as [[TrueCompanions brothers]]. However, the Abyss, the very thing they swore to destroy, had corrupted them and driven them mad, just like their founder. Now brother kills brother in mindless, endless combat]], and just like everything else [[spoiler:the Abyss touches]], they need your help to be granted their final [[MercyKill rest.]]

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* ''Everything'' about Farron's Undead Legion, aka, aka The Abyss Watchers. [[spoiler:Essentially, a military organisation that was founded by ''Sir Artorias'', they have sworn their lives protecting the world from the shadows and nameless horrors of the Abyss. Partaking in wolf blood and donning dark armor, they are nevertheless selfless, heroic soldiers. When they were called on to burn in the Kiln for the greater good, they decided to do it as one, as [[TrueCompanions brothers]]. However, the Abyss, the very thing they swore to destroy, had corrupted them and driven them mad, just like their founder. Now brother kills brother in mindless, endless combat]], and just like everything else [[spoiler:the Abyss touches]], they need your help to be granted their final [[MercyKill rest.]]



** This extends to [[spoiler:his brother; Lorian the Elder Prince. As Lothric grew up, it became apparent he was too physically frail to handle the strain of being a Vessel of Fire, so Lorian had to step in and bear the brunt of the Flame's power in his stead when the time came. This broke his mind and reduced him to a brute crawling on his knees.]]

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** This extends to [[spoiler:his brother; Lorian the Elder Prince. As Lothric grew up, it became apparent he was too physically frail to handle the strain of being a Vessel of Fire, so Lorian had to step in and bear the brunt of the Flame's power in his stead when the time came. This broke his mind and reduced him to a brute crawling forced to crawl around on his knees.]]



* The final boss, [[spoiler:Soul of Cinder]], is outright stated to be [[spoiler:the remnants of Gwyn, Lord Of Cinder AND the player characters from the first and second games. The first phase of the fight has the boss use a variety of ''Dark Souls I'' moves, even Darkwood Grain Ring flipping to dodge attacks whenever he uses his curved sword moveset, and can also use a handful of spells from the second game. Phase two begins after their health is depleted. Gwyn, Lord of Cinder from the first game's soundtrack slowly begins to take over the epic background music, until it eventually fades to just the piano. Amidst all this, the Soul of Cinder begins to spam you with souped up version of Gwyn's moves.]]

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* The final boss, [[spoiler:Soul of Cinder]], is outright stated to be [[spoiler:the remnants of Gwyn, Lord Of Cinder AND the player characters from the first and second games. The first phase of the fight has the boss use a variety of ''Dark Souls I'' moves, even Darkwood Grain Ring flipping to dodge attacks whenever he uses his curved sword moveset, and can also use a handful of spells from the second game. Phase two begins after their health is depleted. Gwyn, Lord of Cinder from the first game's soundtrack slowly begins to take over the epic background music, until it eventually fades to just the piano. Amidst all this, the Soul of Cinder begins to spam you with souped up version versions of Gwyn's moves.]]



** A bit of Fridge Sadness upon watching the opening cinematic after beating Yhorm: [[spoiler:When he is shown rising from his grave in answer to the Bell of Awakening, he lets out a loud roar. On the first playthrough it sounds like a typical monster/giant roaring, but listening again you can hear what it really is: ''a howl of anguish.'' Yhorm had hoped he wouldn't be resurrected, and the moment when he realises his fate he lets out this heart-breaking sound that almost screams "WHY?!"]]

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** A bit of Fridge Sadness upon watching the opening cinematic after beating Yhorm: [[spoiler:When he is shown rising from his grave in answer to the Bell of Awakening, he lets out a loud roar. On the first playthrough it sounds like a typical monster/giant roaring, but listening again you can hear what it really is: ''a ''A howl of anguish.'' Yhorm had hoped he wouldn't be resurrected, and the moment when he realises his fate he lets out this heart-breaking sound that almost screams "WHY?!"]]



* Yhorm, like the other Lords of Cinder, did not have a happy background. Born as a giant, he already had to face discrimination and mistrust from humans. And despite being asked to become the ruler of a human kingdom by its subjects, [[spoiler:Yhorm was never fully accepted, as his subjects only followed him so that his strength could be used to protect them from their rivals. And despite this mistrust, Yhorm continued to protect his kingdom, even gifting his enemies a Stormruler to use on him if he were to become a threat. Then, Yhorm lost someone dear to him which caused him to become a DeathSeeker. With nothing left to lose, and wanting to finally end all of mistrust, Yhorm agreed to link the fire and become a Lord of Cinder. However, something apparently went wrong and Yhorm's ''entire kingdom'' was incinerated as a result. It's not hard to understand why Yhorm would abandon his throne when he awoke to see that his attempt to save his kingdom ultimately ended up destroying it.]]

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* Yhorm, like the other Lords of Cinder, did not have a happy background. Born as a giant, he already had to face discrimination and mistrust from humans. And despite being asked to become the ruler of a human kingdom by its subjects, [[spoiler:Yhorm was never fully accepted, as his subjects only followed him so that his strength could be used to protect them from their rivals. And despite this mistrust, Yhorm continued to protect his kingdom, even gifting his enemies a Stormruler to use on him if he were to become a threat. Then, Yhorm lost someone dear to him which caused him to become a DeathSeeker. With nothing left to lose, and wanting to finally end all of mistrust, Yhorm agreed to link the fire Fire and become a Lord of Cinder. However, something apparently went wrong and Yhorm's ''entire kingdom'' was incinerated as a result. It's not hard to understand why Yhorm would abandon his throne when he awoke to see that his attempt to save his kingdom ultimately ended up destroying it.it, and him knowing that he had caused the deaths of the people he protected.]]



* Finding [[spoiler:Anor Londo]] again will probably have players bursting with nostalgia and joy at first, but then the terrible truth starts to hit home: [[spoiler:What was once a magnificent golden city of the gods, swathed in sunlight, is now a dark, cold husk that has been vandalized by the Cathedral of the Deep, one of the most vile and disgusting organizations in the entire franchise]]. Seeing the Cathedral's deacons [[spoiler:walking around the ruins of Anor Londo's grand cathedral]] will be infuriating for most players, who will just want to kick their evil asses out.

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* Finding [[spoiler:Anor Londo]] again will probably have players bursting with nostalgia and joy at first, but then the terrible truth starts to hit home: [[spoiler:What was once a magnificent golden city of the gods, Gods, swathed in sunlight, is now a dark, cold husk that has been vandalized by the Cathedral of the Deep, one of the most vile and disgusting organizations in the entire franchise]]. Seeing the Cathedral's deacons [[spoiler:walking around the ruins of Anor Londo's grand cathedral]] will be infuriating for most players, who will just want to kick their evil asses out.



** On that note, you can walk through the Demon Ruins and see that the demons went to great pains to bury and honor their dead. They went from being mindless monsters to some level of civilization prior to their dying out. They had a King, for goodness sakes.

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** On that note, you can walk through the Demon Ruins and see that the demons went to great pains to bury and honor their dead. They went from being mindless monsters to some level of civilization prior to their dying out. They had a King, for goodness goodness' sakes.



*** ''The Ringed City'' delves a bit further into the tragedy of this subject. [[spoiler: The very first boss IS the Demon Prince, having "split" into the Demon in Pain and the Demon From Below. Lorian failed to actually kill the Prince, but he caused it to lose the remnants of the Chaos Flame, the last and only hope for demonkind to continue to survive. Since the Ashen One has to kill the Prince in order to proceed, its death marks [[EndOfAnEra the end of the Chaos Demons and the legacy of Izalith]]]]...
** Even the act of killing the King is a solemn affair. When you get it close to death's door, it releases an extremely damaging, nigh-unblockable wave of energy that'll likely kill you if you're too close... But after that? ''Nothing.'' Until he's finally put out of his misery, the Demon King struggles (and fails) to so much as lift its club or even stand, and can only weakly swing its arm in the area directly in front of it.

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*** ''The Ringed City'' delves a bit further into the tragedy of this subject. [[spoiler: The very first boss IS the Demon Prince, having "split" into the Demon in Pain and the Demon From Below. Lorian actually failed to actually truly kill the Prince, but he caused it to lose the remnants of the Chaos Flame, the last and only hope for demonkind to continue to survive. Since the Ashen One has to kill the Prince in order to proceed, its death marks [[EndOfAnEra the end of the Chaos Demons and the tragic legacy of Lost Izalith]]]]...
** Even the act of killing the King is a solemn affair. When you get it close to death's door, it releases an extremely damaging, nigh-unblockable wave of energy that'll likely kill you if you're too close... But after that? ''Nothing.'' Until he's finally put out of his misery, the Demon King struggles (and fails) to so much as lift its club or even stand, and can only weakly swing its arm in the area directly in front of it.it in a clearly desperate attempt to avenge its kind.



* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life is to guard the flame...and as stated before, it's ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.
* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, mind body and soul. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, just like the First Flame, has nothing more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. All that remains is ash.

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* The unbearably sad [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJKgS2J9m9I Epilogue]] which plays during the credits, and after the "ending" of the Ringed City, it makes the entire trilogy seem like a belated tragedy. [[spoiler: Everything, everyone and anyone, sacrificed was ultimately for ''nothing''. Despite burning eternally, in constant, horrid agony, Gwyn, and the other Lords of Cinder sacrifices were in vain, and the flame is doomed to be extinguished by the dark, no matter what anyone does. Even when they end up becoming the Soul of Cinder, their only meaning in life is to guard the flame...Flame... and as stated before, it's ultimately fruitless. Vendrick's sacrifice was useless, and his solution never came to be, as Aldia and the Bearer of the Curse weren't able to find a meaningful solution.solution in time. The only thing that awaits the world is a barren wasteland, covered in sand, dust, and ashes, with the ruins of great civilizations sprouting out, lonely, and haunting.]] The ultimate DownerEnding, all the more painful, because all the countless acts of self sacrifice ultimately amounted to nothing.
* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, mind body losing their minds, bodies, and soul. souls. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation. salvation, in the hopes for a better future. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence. existence, only to find that it;s best just wasn't enough. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, just like the First Flame, and it has nothing else more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. All that remains is ash.
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** To Link the First Flame: [[spoiler:You've done your duty, slain the Soul of Cinder, and re-ignited the First Flame. Sadly, since you are just an Unkindled that can't properly Link the Fire, all you can do is embolden it with what few embers you carry around before it finally dies out entirely. Even worse is the tacit implication that there is no one else left in the world that can Link the Flame after you, meaning that all you've done is give the Hollows a chance to die in peace before the world inevitably gets subsumed by the Dark. At least you honored the sacrifices of the Lords of Cinder before you...]]

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** To Link the First Flame: [[spoiler:You've done your duty, slain the Soul of Cinder, and re-ignited the First Flame. Sadly, since you are just an Unkindled that can't properly Link the Fire, all you can do is embolden it with what few embers you carry around before it finally dies out entirely. Even worse is the tacit implication that there is no one else left in the world that can Link the Flame after you, meaning that all you've done is give the Hollows a chance to die in peace before the world inevitably gets subsumed by the Dark. And judging by how weak the Flame is this time around (it's barely enough to set your character on fire, compared to the [[WorldHealingWave world-engulfing explosion]] that Linking it caused in ''Dark Souls 1''), it's possible that [[ShootTheShaggyDog your sacrifice didn't even buy]] ''[[ShootTheShaggyDog that]]'' [[ShootTheShaggyDog much time.]] At least you honored the sacrifices of the Lords of Cinder before you...]]
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* Greirat's storyline - a petty thief asks you to bring a ring to a woman named Loretta, nothing special, right? Well... [[spoiler:Once you get to Undead Settlement you find a body clutching a bone named "Loretta's Bone". Once you give it to Greirat he acts surprised that she's already dead but tries to laugh it off as 'almost a relief' and tells you to keep the ring. Once you come back, however, he's curled up, repeating to himself about how Loretta's dead.]] And if that wasn't bad enough: [[spoiler:he calls her 'old Loretta'. And the ring you're supposed to give her? It detects if the wearer is near death and bolsters their resilience. Suddenly him insisting that you get the ring to her as fast as possible takes on a new meaning.]]

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* Greirat's storyline - a petty thief asks you to bring a ring to a woman named Loretta, nothing special, right? Well... [[spoiler:Once you get to Undead Settlement you find a body clutching a bone named "Loretta's Bone". Once you give it to Greirat he acts surprised that she's already dead but tries to laugh it off as 'almost a relief' and tells you to keep the ring. Once you come back, however, he's curled up, repeating to himself about how Loretta's dead.]] And if that wasn't bad enough: [[spoiler:he calls her 'old Loretta'. And the ring you're supposed to give her? It detects if The ''Blue Tearstone Ring''. You know, the wearer is ring that significantly boosts your defenses when you are near death and bolsters their resilience. death? Suddenly him insisting that you get the ring to her as fast as possible takes on a new meaning.]]
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** At the end of the battle, Siegward is grateful to the Ashen One for helping him fulfill his oath to [[spoiler:Yhorm]] and offers one last toast to wish you luck on your journey. However, [[spoiler:when he says it's his last toast, he literally means it, as the moment you turn away from him, Siegward dies. He was either mortally wounded during the battle and never told you, or he [[DrivenToSuicide committed suicide]] knowing that he had fulfilled his purpose. It can also be interpreted that he died to give you his armor set and Stormruler, in hopes that they will help you on your journey, if only just a little.]]
* Yhorm, like the other Lords of Cinder, did not have a happy background. Born as a giant, he already had to face discrimination and mistrust from humans. And despite being asked to become the ruler of a human kingdom by its subjects, [[spoiler:Yhorm was never fully accepted, as his subjects only followed him so that his strength could be used to protect them from their rivals. And despite this mistrust, Yhorm continued to protect his kingdom, even gifting his enemies a Stormruler to use on him if he were to become a threat. Then, Yhorm lost someone dear to him which caused him to become a DeathSeeker. With nothing left to lose, and wanting to finally end all of mistrust, Yhorm agreed to link the fire and become a Lord of Cinder. However, something apparently went wrong and Yhorm's ''entire kingdom'' was incinerated as a result. It's not hard to understand why Yhorm would abandon his throne when he awoke to see that his attempt to save his kingdom ultimately ended up destroying it.]]
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* In an out of the way corner of the "Demon Ruins" (the lower part of Smouldering Lake), you can find a unique-looking demon corpse unlike the mounds of Capra, Taurus and Asylum Demons. What is it? [[spoiler:It's a spider-shaped corpse, surrounded by fossilized egg sacs, with a single emaciated corpse cradling its "front" section. And at this location, you find... Quelana's Pyromancy Tome. The Fair Lady eventually died of her poisoning, Eingyi was with her to the end and beyond, and Quelana did visit her sister one last time before disappearing into the mists of history.]] ''[[SandInMyEyes *sniffle*]]''

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* In an out of the way corner of the "Demon Ruins" (the lower part of Smouldering Lake), you can find a unique-looking demon corpse unlike the mounds of Capra, Taurus and Asylum Demons. What is it? [[spoiler:It's a spider-shaped corpse, surrounded by fossilized egg sacs, with a single emaciated corpse cradling its "front" section. And at this location, you find... Quelana's Pyromancy Tome. [[TheWoobie The Fair Lady Lady]] eventually died of her poisoning, Eingyi was with her to the end and beyond, and Quelana did visit her sister one last time before disappearing into the mists of history.]] ''[[SandInMyEyes *sniffle*]]''
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* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, mind body and soul. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, just like the First Flame, has nothing more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. The best depiction of the world is the vast, empty ash wastes seen in the opening cutscene [[spoiler:and Gael's boss arena]].

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* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, mind body and soul. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, just like the First Flame, has nothing more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for is gone. The best depiction of the world All that remains is the vast, empty ash wastes seen in the opening cutscene [[spoiler:and Gael's boss arena]].ash.
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* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, mind body and soul. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, just like the First Flame, has nothing more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for has been consumed and destroyed. The best depiction of the world is the vast, empty ash wastes seen in the opening cutscene [[spoiler:and Gael's boss arena]].

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* The ultimate state of the world as a whole. Collectively, it's given everything it could just to continue existing. Countless beings fighting and sacrificing themselves, mind body and soul. Desperately to trying to find some measure of salvation. This truly is the last gasps of a dying world, one which has fought with everything it had against the Darkness in an attempt to prolong its existence. In the process, the world has burnt itself out and, just like the First Flame, has nothing more to give. It has no fight left in it, because everything that was worth fighting for has been consumed and destroyed.is gone. The best depiction of the world is the vast, empty ash wastes seen in the opening cutscene [[spoiler:and Gael's boss arena]].

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