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* What happened to Hector and his men, revealed by the ECHO logs in the quest Echoes of the Past. They were promised a paradise by DAHL due to their service. They were told "Paradise" would be where they'd be, and Hector's men were celebrating due to the fact it'd mean rolling green hills, potable water, and so on. Despite their misfortune, one of Hector's men found some kind of "shiny alien artifact" which the Dahl brass found... Interesting. The last ECHO log takes an extremely dark turn, with a purposeful cave-in by DAHL trapping Hector and his men. Some of them had already gone insane, and thus were put down. Hector and his men are, like Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, victims of DAHL's corporate evil. And while it is tragic, it's still inexcusable for Hector and the New Pandora Army to take out their frustrations on the general populace. DAHL better answer for their actions in ''3''...

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* What happened to Hector and his men, revealed by the ECHO logs in the quest Echoes of the Past. They were promised a paradise by DAHL due to their service. They were told "Paradise" would be where they'd be, and Hector's men were celebrating due to the fact it'd mean rolling green hills, potable water, and so on. Despite their misfortune, one of Hector's men found some kind of "shiny alien artifact" which the Dahl brass found... Interesting. The last ECHO log takes an extremely dark turn, with a purposeful cave-in by DAHL trapping Hector and his men. Some of them had already gone insane, and thus were put down. Hector and his men are, like Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, victims of DAHL's corporate evil. And while it is tragic, it's still inexcusable [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse inexcusable]] for Hector and the New Pandora Army to take out their frustrations on the general populace. DAHL better answer for their actions in ''3''...


* What happened to Hector and his men, revealed by the ECHO logs in the quest Echoes of the Past. They were promised a paradise by DAHL due to their service. They were told "Paradise" would be where they'd be, and Hector's men were celebrating due to the fact it'd mean rolling green hills, potable water, and so on. Despite their misfortune, one of Hector's men found some kind of "shiny alien artifact" which the Dahl brass found... Interesting. The last ECHO log takes an extremely dark turn, with a purposeful cave-in by DAHL trapping Hector and his men. Some of them had already gone insane, and thus were put down. Hector and his men are, like Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, victims of DAHL's corporate evil.

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* What happened to Hector and his men, revealed by the ECHO logs in the quest Echoes of the Past. They were promised a paradise by DAHL due to their service. They were told "Paradise" would be where they'd be, and Hector's men were celebrating due to the fact it'd mean rolling green hills, potable water, and so on. Despite their misfortune, one of Hector's men found some kind of "shiny alien artifact" which the Dahl brass found... Interesting. The last ECHO log takes an extremely dark turn, with a purposeful cave-in by DAHL trapping Hector and his men. Some of them had already gone insane, and thus were put down. Hector and his men are, like Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, victims of DAHL's corporate evil. And while it is tragic, it's still inexcusable for Hector and the New Pandora Army to take out their frustrations on the general populace. DAHL better answer for their actions in ''3''...


* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected by the spores felt like Hector reopening a still healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise".

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* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected by the spores felt like Hector reopening a still healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise"."paradise".
*What happened to Hector and his men, revealed by the ECHO logs in the quest Echoes of the Past. They were promised a paradise by DAHL due to their service. They were told "Paradise" would be where they'd be, and Hector's men were celebrating due to the fact it'd mean rolling green hills, potable water, and so on. Despite their misfortune, one of Hector's men found some kind of "shiny alien artifact" which the Dahl brass found... Interesting. The last ECHO log takes an extremely dark turn, with a purposeful cave-in by DAHL trapping Hector and his men. Some of them had already gone insane, and thus were put down. Hector and his men are, like Zarpedon and her Lost Legion, victims of DAHL's corporate evil.


*** It gets a thousand times worse when you get to Opportunity. You can find Blood's headless body put on display somewhere between the residential district and the "museum" where "Written By The Victors" takes place.

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*** ** It gets a thousand times worse when you get to Opportunity. You can find Blood's headless body put on display somewhere between the residential district and the "museum" where "Written By The Victors" takes place.



** Scooter's and Dr. Zed's reaction can be just as jarring, considering they're always depicted as some of the more comical characters of the game. Seeing them relive events of the first game that you yourself went through (Piss Wash Gully and defeating Nine-Toes) is just painful.

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** Scooter's and Dr. Zed's reaction reactions can be just as jarring, considering they're always depicted as some of the more comical characters of the game. Seeing them relive events of the first game that you yourself went through (Piss Wash Gully and defeating Nine-Toes) is just painful.



--->'''Sir Hammerlock''': What a shame about that Roland lad. Never met him, but he sounded...quite kind.

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--->'''Sir Hammerlock''': What a shame about that Roland lad. Never met him, but he sounded... quite kind.



** What's worse, Flesh-Stick's final words before she electrocutes him to death implies that he and her parents were close at one point.

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** What's worse, Flesh-Stick's screaming final words before she electrocutes him to death implies that he and her parents were close at one point.point, before he sold them off to Hyperion.



* One of Michael Mamaril's lines when he gives you a gun is "I don't need this anymore".

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* One of Michael Mamaril's lines when he gives you a gun is "I don't need this anymore". Considering that he is made as a tribute to a ''Borderlands'' fan who passed away, it makes more sense.



*** It goes back to TearJerker when you realize Michael Mamaril almost always spawns carrying the Scorpio Assault Rifle.

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*** ** It goes back to TearJerker when you realize Michael Mamaril almost always spawns carrying the Scorpio Assault Rifle.Rifle, the same gun rewarded at the end of Roland's death.



** ... and then he discovers that there was a ''massive'' wellspring of water right underneath the town. Shade's facade briefly drops, and for a moment he seems genuinely unsure as to whether he should rage or cry, before going back to his madness and pretending the corpses of Oasis are still alive.

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** ... and ** And then he discovers that there was a ''massive'' wellspring of water right underneath the town. Shade's facade briefly drops, and for a moment he seems genuinely unsure as to whether he should rage or cry, before going back to his madness and pretending the corpses of Oasis are still alive.


* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected by the sporrs felt like Hector reopening a still healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise".

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* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected by the sporrs spores felt like Hector reopening a still healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise".


* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected feels like Hector tearing open a healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise".

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* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected feels by the sporrs felt like Hector tearing open reopening a still healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise".


* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected feels like Hector tearing open a healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass.

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* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected feels like Hector tearing open a healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass.jackass with a myopic vision of "paradise".


** Scooter's death can also come out of nowhere for players who never played ''Tales.'' The [[HeroicSacrifice details]] aren't made clear since the ones talking about out are Moxxi and Ellie, who are the ones who'd be most affected by it.

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** Scooter's death can also come out of nowhere for players who never played ''Tales.'' The [[HeroicSacrifice details]] aren't made clear since the ones talking about out are Moxxi and Ellie, who are the ones who'd be most affected by it.it.
* Tina panicking over Mordecai being infected feels like Hector tearing open a healing wound. She's lost her parents and Roland to Hyperion and like hell is she gonna lose another friend to some militant jackass.

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** What's worse, Flesh-Stick's final words before she electrocutes him to death implies that he and her parents were close at one point.
--->'''Flesh-Stick:''' No! I'm sorry I sold out your family! I'm SORRYYYYY!


* [[spoiler:Bloodwing's]] slag transformation and death. Handsome Jack's taunts throughout the fight make it even worse. You know what's going to happen to her, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. [[spoiler:Mordecai's]] heartbreak and rage after that moment serve as the game's definitive "shit just got real" moment.
** 50 trillion times worse if [[spoiler:you played as Mordecai in the first game. Bloodwing was perhaps the most handy ally a Mordecai player could have, and your sole companion outside of co-op. Seeing her turned into ''that'' and having to kill her... god damn.]]
** To show how desperate [[spoiler:Mordecai]] is, at one point he actually believed that Dr. Zed can help her.
*** It gets a thousand times worse when [[spoiler: you get to Opportunity. You can find Blood's headless body put on display somewhere between the residential district and the "museum" where "Written By The Victors" takes place.]]
* [[spoiler:Every Roland player who watched that Hyperion pistol's bullet claim his life experienced this on some level. Hell, the entire damn mission where that scene takes place could be considered this after a rather awesome boss fight.]]
** The mission where you have to inform people around Sanctuary of [[spoiler:Roland's]] death helps drive it home. ''Marcus'', of all people, is torn up about it just as bad as everyone else.

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* [[spoiler:Bloodwing's]] Bloodwing's slag transformation and death. Handsome Jack's taunts throughout the fight make it even worse. You know what's going to happen to her, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. [[spoiler:Mordecai's]] Mordecai's heartbreak and rage after that moment serve as the game's definitive "shit just got real" moment.
** 50 trillion times worse if [[spoiler:you you played as Mordecai in the first game. Bloodwing was perhaps the most handy ally a Mordecai player could have, and your sole companion outside of co-op. Seeing her turned into ''that'' and having to kill her... god damn.]]
damn.
** To show how desperate [[spoiler:Mordecai]] Mordecai is, at one point he actually believed that Dr. Zed can help her.
*** It gets a thousand times worse when [[spoiler: you get to Opportunity. You can find Blood's headless body put on display somewhere between the residential district and the "museum" where "Written By The Victors" takes place.]]
place.
* [[spoiler:Every Every Roland player who watched that Hyperion pistol's bullet claim his life experienced this on some level. Hell, the entire damn mission where that scene takes place could be considered this after a rather awesome boss fight.]]
fight.
** The mission where you have to inform people around Sanctuary of [[spoiler:Roland's]] Roland's death helps drive it home. ''Marcus'', of all people, is torn up about it just as bad as everyone else.



** Moxxi's reaction really takes the cake though. While all of the people you go to in the quest are heartbroken over [[spoiler:Roland's death]], Moxxi is the only one who actually ''breaks down crying''.

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** Moxxi's reaction really takes the cake though. While all of the people you go to in the quest are heartbroken over [[spoiler:Roland's death]], Roland's death, Moxxi is the only one who actually ''breaks down crying''.



--->'''Sir Hammerlock''': What a shame about that [[spoiler:Roland]] lad. Never met him, but he sounded...quite kind.
** Good thing you don't have to tell Tiny Tina, who has a picture of her and [[spoiler:Roland]] in a heart-shaped frame. Can't imagine what that'd do to the already questionably stable girl.

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--->'''Sir Hammerlock''': What a shame about that [[spoiler:Roland]] Roland lad. Never met him, but he sounded...quite kind.
** Good thing you don't have to tell Tiny Tina, who has a picture of her and [[spoiler:Roland]] Roland in a heart-shaped frame. Can't imagine what that'd do to the already questionably stable girl.



---->'''Tina:''' ''(In a voice completely devoid of her usual life and enthusiasm)'' [[spoiler: Roland's dead?]] Thank you for... Thank you for telling me. Please go now. Here. I was saving this for a rainy day, but maybe you can use it to take down Jack. Please go now.
** The flavor text on the [[spoiler:Scorpio rifle]] you get at the end of this quest just seals it: "Say not in grief, "He is no more." but live in thankfulness that he was."
** When heading toward the battle against Handsome Jack, [[spoiler:Lilith]] tells you to stop him at all costs even if it means killing her. Shortly after that [[spoiler:Mordecai and Brick]] get shot out of the sky and drop down into a river of lava and beg you to go on without them. By this point, it starts to look like a KillThemAll situation that's more than a little upsetting for anyone who played the first game. [[spoiler:Fortunately you find out after killing The Warrior that the two of them got out and you don't get forced to kill Lilith.]]
* For all Lilith players who also play as Maya in the second game, [[spoiler:the whole Angel boss fight and its aftermath are a combination of this and NightmareFuel, especially when you realize that without your help, things wouldn't have gotten this far.]]
** Maya came to Pandora to learn more about Sirens and Siren abilities, [[spoiler:but instead killed one Siren, condemned the other to [[AndIMustScream being a living battery]], and had to fight against a man who used another Siren like the monks used her, only to a much worse degree.]]
* Tiny Tina, full stop. 13 years old, living right next to a bandit camp, with really deep bags under her eyes that could come either from sleep deprivation or [[spoiler:PTSD from watching her parents brutally murdered before her eyes.]] While most of her dialogue is written in a deliberately-zany fashion, the last line she utters at the end of her side-mission series after [[spoiler:executing her parents' murderer at a stuffed-animal tea party]] is just absolutely tragic.
-->'''Tiny Tina''': ''(quivering and deadpan)'' Best [[spoiler:tea party]] ever...
** It gets even worse when, through a series of ECHO recordings, you find out just how [[spoiler:her parents were killed. They were unwilling volunteers in Jack's [[FateWorseThanDeath slag experiments]]]].
*** Those recordings are just horrifying. The unwilling subject who begs the doctor to let his husband go because he has Skull Shivers, the doctor who wants to help him but can't because Jack is threatening her wife, [[spoiler:Tiny Tina witnessing her parents' horrific deaths and being reduced to crying and screaming 'Why is this happening?'...]]

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---->'''Tina:''' ''(In a voice completely devoid of her usual life and enthusiasm)'' [[spoiler: Roland's dead?]] dead? Thank you for... Thank you for telling me. Please go now. Here. I was saving this for a rainy day, but maybe you can use it to take down Jack. Please go now.
** The flavor text on the [[spoiler:Scorpio rifle]] Scorpio rifle you get at the end of this quest just seals it: "Say not in grief, "He is no more." but live in thankfulness that he was."
** When heading toward the battle against Handsome Jack, [[spoiler:Lilith]] Lilith tells you to stop him at all costs even if it means killing her. Shortly after that [[spoiler:Mordecai Mordecai and Brick]] Brick get shot out of the sky and drop down into a river of lava and beg you to go on without them. By this point, it starts to look like a KillThemAll situation that's more than a little upsetting for anyone who played the first game. [[spoiler:Fortunately Fortunately you find out after killing The Warrior that the two of them got out and you don't get forced to kill Lilith.]]
Lilith.
* For all Lilith players who also play as Maya in the second game, [[spoiler:the the whole Angel boss fight and its aftermath are a combination of this and NightmareFuel, especially when you realize that without your help, things wouldn't have gotten this far.]]
far.
** Maya came to Pandora to learn more about Sirens and Siren abilities, [[spoiler:but but instead killed one Siren, condemned the other to [[AndIMustScream being a living battery]], and had to fight against a man who used another Siren like the monks used her, only to a much worse degree.]]
degree.
* Tiny Tina, full stop. 13 years old, living right next to a bandit camp, with really deep bags under her eyes that could come either from sleep deprivation or [[spoiler:PTSD PTSD from watching her parents brutally murdered before her eyes.]] eyes. While most of her dialogue is written in a deliberately-zany fashion, the last line she utters at the end of her side-mission series after [[spoiler:executing executing her parents' murderer at a stuffed-animal tea party]] party is just absolutely tragic.
-->'''Tiny Tina''': ''(quivering and deadpan)'' Best [[spoiler:tea party]] tea party ever...
** It gets even worse when, through a series of ECHO recordings, you find out just how [[spoiler:her her parents were killed. They were unwilling volunteers in Jack's [[FateWorseThanDeath slag experiments]]]].
experiments]].
*** Those recordings are just horrifying. The unwilling subject who begs the doctor to let his husband go because he has Skull Shivers, the doctor who wants to help him but can't because Jack is threatening her wife, [[spoiler:Tiny Tiny Tina witnessing her parents' horrific deaths and being reduced to crying and screaming 'Why is this happening?'...]]



** In ''Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep'', it turns out that [[spoiler:she's in denial about Roland's death]], even saying she wants to postpone the game until he shows up.
*** Indications of [[spoiler:her denial show up in "+5 to Punching: A Bunkers and Badasses Prologue"; whenever Brick mentions Roland's funeral, she avoids acknowledging it.]]

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** In ''Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep'', it turns out that [[spoiler:she's she's in denial about Roland's death]], death, even saying she wants to postpone the game until he shows up.
*** Indications of [[spoiler:her her denial show up in "+5 to Punching: A Bunkers and Badasses Prologue"; whenever Brick mentions Roland's funeral, she avoids acknowledging it.]]



* Finding out [[spoiler:(Guardian) Angel's]] backstory. You have to be sick to do that to [[spoiler:your own kid]] and then try to pass it off as a ''good'' thing.
-->'''Lilith:''' What kind of person would do this to [[spoiler:their own daughter?]]\\

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* Finding out [[spoiler:(Guardian) Angel's]] (Guardian) Angel's backstory. You have to be sick to do that to [[spoiler:your your own kid]] kid and then try to pass it off as a ''good'' thing.
-->'''Lilith:''' What kind of person would do this to [[spoiler:their their own daughter?]]\\daughter?\\



** That mission was a double whammy. First you find out how bad [[spoiler:Jack]] is because of [[spoiler:how he treated his daughter]]. Then [[spoiler:Roland gets killed right after, as mentioned above]]. Very, very hard not to sit there completely stunned at what just happened.
** Heck, even ''Handsome Jack'' gets a bit of a tearjerker in that mission. Normally, he's trolling and taunting on a level that matches [[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Hazama]], but near the end of that mission, he's begging [[spoiler:Angel]] and the Vault Hunter to stop. Then when it's over and you get back to Sanctuary, he puts a call out on the planet-wide ECHO, sounding completely broken. This doesn't excuse anything he does by any means, but honestly, [[{{CryForTheDevil}} it's kind of hard to listen and not feel a little sad for him.]]
*** Really, as much of an asshole Jack is, some side quests give small hints about his background that maybe show why he's such a psychopath, namely that [[spoiler:his grandmother was, at best, physically abusive to him, "disciplining" him with a buzz-axe; it's implied his wife was killed accidentally by Angel's powers; he is horribly scarred under his mask; and, to top it off, he was disrespected at his former job at Hyperion.]] He's still a sociopathic jerk, but, if the hints are true, he's actually had a fairly sad life.

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** That mission was a double whammy. First you find out how bad [[spoiler:Jack]] Jack is because of [[spoiler:how how he treated his daughter]]. daughter. Then [[spoiler:Roland Roland gets killed right after, as mentioned above]].above. Very, very hard not to sit there completely stunned at what just happened.
** Heck, even ''Handsome Jack'' gets a bit of a tearjerker in that mission. Normally, he's trolling and taunting on a level that matches [[VideoGame/{{Blazblue}} Hazama]], but near the end of that mission, he's begging [[spoiler:Angel]] Angel and the Vault Hunter to stop. Then when it's over and you get back to Sanctuary, he puts a call out on the planet-wide ECHO, sounding completely broken. This doesn't excuse anything he does by any means, but honestly, [[{{CryForTheDevil}} it's kind of hard to listen and not feel a little sad for him.]]
*** Really, as much of an asshole Jack is, some side quests give small hints about his background that maybe show why he's such a psychopath, namely that [[spoiler:his his grandmother was, at best, physically abusive to him, "disciplining" him with a buzz-axe; it's implied his wife was killed accidentally by Angel's powers; he is horribly scarred under his mask; and, to top it off, he was disrespected at his former job at Hyperion.]] Hyperion. He's still a sociopathic jerk, but, if the hints are true, he's actually had a fairly sad life.



** After Jack's Planet-wide announcement, any and all of his story-related interactions with the player drops his trollish tone [[spoiler: and he constantly brings up Angel's death one way or another. In his own sick way, he did love his daughter and he's both sad and pissed at the fact that you took her away.]]
** His backstory becomes so much worse once you play the Pre-Sequel. Instead of a mask-wearing, bullying, trillionaire douchebag, you have a friendly programmer who still is a bit of a jerk, but is rational, has ''redeeming traits'', just wants to be a hero and really did love his daughter (though by that point he had already had her locked up for his own gain for years at that point, having her manipulate the Vault Hunters to open the Vault of the Destroyer, which he then exploited to make an orbital laser cannon to destroy 'bandit camps' on Pandora); but due to a corrupt sheriff [[spoiler: trying to shoot him in the back]], his BadBoss, his terrible childhood, and his own ruthless, vicious, and violent decisions in the face of Zarpedon's plan to destroy Elpis leading to [[spoiler: Lilith, Roland and Moxxi deciding they have no choice but to kill him due to his mounting insanity and megalomania]], he turns from Jack, the Hero of Elpis into Handsome Jack.

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** After Jack's Planet-wide announcement, any and all of his story-related interactions with the player drops his trollish tone [[spoiler: and he constantly brings up Angel's death one way or another. In his own sick way, he did love his daughter and he's both sad and pissed at the fact that you took her away.]]
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** His backstory becomes so much worse once you play the Pre-Sequel. Instead of a mask-wearing, bullying, trillionaire douchebag, you have a friendly programmer who still is a bit of a jerk, but is rational, has ''redeeming traits'', just wants to be a hero and really did love his daughter (though by that point he had already had her locked up for his own gain for years at that point, having her manipulate the Vault Hunters to open the Vault of the Destroyer, which he then exploited to make an orbital laser cannon to destroy 'bandit camps' on Pandora); but due to a corrupt sheriff [[spoiler: trying to shoot him in the back]], back, his BadBoss, his terrible childhood, and his own ruthless, vicious, and violent decisions in the face of Zarpedon's plan to destroy Elpis leading to [[spoiler: Lilith, Roland and Moxxi deciding they have no choice but to kill him due to his mounting insanity and megalomania]], megalomania, he turns from Jack, the Hero of Elpis into Handsome Jack.



** Even [[spoiler: his death is sad. His last words come off as less of a MotiveRant and more of a broken man desperately trying to convince himself that he's right.]]
--->[[spoiler: '''Handsome Jack''': ''No, no, no... I can't die like this... Not when I'm so close... And not at the hands of a filthy bandit! I could have saved this planet! I could have actually restored order! And I wasn't supposed to die by the hands... of a CHILD KILLING PSYCHOPATH!! You're a savage! You're a maniac, you are a bandit, AND I AM THE GODDAMN HERO!!'']]

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** Even [[spoiler: his death is sad. His last words come off as less of a MotiveRant and more of a broken man desperately trying to convince himself that he's right.]]
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--->'''Handsome
Jack''': ''No, no, no... I can't die like this... Not when I'm so close... And not at the hands of a filthy bandit! I could have saved this planet! I could have actually restored order! And I wasn't supposed to die by the hands... of a CHILD KILLING PSYCHOPATH!! You're a savage! You're a maniac, you are a bandit, AND I AM THE GODDAMN HERO!!'']]HERO!!''



* In the Southern Shelf you can find a series of ECHO recordings which detail the final moments of [[spoiler: Helena Pierce.]] The way she is killed is a sudden, petty and vile act on Handsome Jack's part, and a death of a well-intentioned woman.
* Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty is about pirates and treasure, nothing quite sad about that, at least until you embark on the Message in a Bottle quest. [[spoiler: Turns out Captain Blade wasn't just a wanton killer, nope, the guy is a straight FatherToHisMen who only started up with the whole piracy thing to help keep as many people alive as possible by making sure they had food and water. Of course, each of the ECHO recorders you pick up details exactly how his plan fell apart when his crew discovered he hadn't killed anyone and thus decided to kill him and he decides that it's probably for the best. The last few recordings you find take place after he went and killed off his crew because he just couldn't bring himself to let them kill him. The man is so broken by all of this that he just decides to wander off into the desert to die.]] [[SarcasmMode Yeah, pirates are fun.]]
* A subtle, merely implied one once you reach Sandman's hideout: upon killing Sandman and his crew you may come across a telescope which is pointed directly at [[spoiler:a picture of Scarlett. Sandman may be resenting Scarlett's betrayal more than he lets on...]]

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* In the Southern Shelf you can find a series of ECHO recordings which detail the final moments of [[spoiler: Helena Pierce.]] Pierce. The way she is killed is a sudden, petty and vile act on Handsome Jack's part, and a death of a well-intentioned woman.
* Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty is about pirates and treasure, nothing quite sad about that, at least until you embark on the Message in a Bottle quest. [[spoiler: Turns out Captain Blade wasn't just a wanton killer, nope, the guy is a straight FatherToHisMen who only started up with the whole piracy thing to help keep as many people alive as possible by making sure they had food and water. Of course, each of the ECHO recorders you pick up details exactly how his plan fell apart when his crew discovered he hadn't killed anyone and thus decided to kill him and he decides that it's probably for the best. The last few recordings you find take place after he went and killed off his crew because he just couldn't bring himself to let them kill him. The man is so broken by all of this that he just decides to wander off into the desert to die.]] [[SarcasmMode Yeah, pirates are fun.]]
* A subtle, merely implied one once you reach Sandman's hideout: upon killing Sandman and his crew you may come across a telescope which is pointed directly at [[spoiler:a a picture of Scarlett. Sandman may be resenting Scarlett's betrayal more than he lets on...]]



* While it was ''probably'' meant to be funny, [[spoiler:hearing Tannis come dangerously close to breaking down as she recounts how her boyfriend was tortured to death by Jack, it was actually a ceiling chair, but this is [[CloudCuckooLander Tannis]] we're talking about,]] was surprisingly somber.
** It gets worse if one reads between the lines and realizes what actually happened. [[spoiler: When Hyperion tortured Tannis for information, she was likely beaten while suspended upside-down. Due to her even more weakened than usual mental state, she began to hallucinate the chairs in the room as being on the ceiling while she was on the floor, that they were alive, that they were brothers and that [[TwinThreesomeFantasy they were in a polyamorous relationship.]] Hyperion's torturers picked up during one torture session that Tannis viewed the chairs as alive due to her muttering to them under her breath that she'd be fine and proceeded to [[KickTheDog hack one of them to pieces with a rotary saw to hurt her by preying on her mental illness.]] It's one of the few times Tannis' Pandora inflicted madness is actually played ''deadly straight'' as she mourns a figment of her diseased mind and laments that Jack's obsession with the Warrior cost her the one bit of peace and happiness she'd been able to find.]]

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* While it was ''probably'' meant to be funny, [[spoiler:hearing hearing Tannis come dangerously close to breaking down as she recounts how her boyfriend was tortured to death by Jack, it was actually a ceiling chair, but this is [[CloudCuckooLander Tannis]] we're talking about,]] about, was surprisingly somber.
** It gets worse if one reads between the lines and realizes what actually happened. [[spoiler: When Hyperion tortured Tannis for information, she was likely beaten while suspended upside-down. Due to her even more weakened than usual mental state, she began to hallucinate the chairs in the room as being on the ceiling while she was on the floor, that they were alive, that they were brothers and that [[TwinThreesomeFantasy they were in a polyamorous relationship.]] Hyperion's torturers picked up during one torture session that Tannis viewed the chairs as alive due to her muttering to them under her breath that she'd be fine and proceeded to [[KickTheDog hack one of them to pieces with a rotary saw to hurt her by preying on her mental illness.]] It's one of the few times Tannis' Pandora inflicted madness is actually played ''deadly straight'' as she mourns a figment of her diseased mind and laments that Jack's obsession with the Warrior cost her the one bit of peace and happiness she'd been able to find.]]



* One of the worst parts is just before Lucky's Wake, when Mick says he would be honored if the player shows up... And when you do show up, you have to [[spoiler:shoot the place up upon request of the rival family]], all while drunk off your ass. The fact that you actually met Lucky in the first game and saved him from Bandits makes it all the more difficult. As far as missions go on this game, this one (and really the entire chain of quests relating to the clan rivalry which involved doing the same thing many other times) was the hardest to do. This sidequest is the very reason ''why'' a lot of players chose to side with the Zafords during the final mission.

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* One of the worst parts is just before Lucky's Wake, when Mick says he would be honored if the player shows up... And when you do show up, you have to [[spoiler:shoot shoot the place up upon request of the rival family]], family, all while drunk off your ass. The fact that you actually met Lucky in the first game and saved him from Bandits makes it all the more difficult. As far as missions go on this game, this one (and really the entire chain of quests relating to the clan rivalry which involved doing the same thing many other times) was the hardest to do. This sidequest is the very reason ''why'' a lot of players chose to side with the Zafords during the final mission.



* Funny as the DLC is, Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep can be summarized as "Tina's complete inability to deal with the deaths of anyone she cares about, especially [[spoiler:Roland]]."
** How Tina treats [[spoiler: Angel]] in the game as well. [[spoiler: Tina turns Angel into a monster, and has her say things like 'I am the root of your suffering!' and at the end, when Lilith comes to Angel's defense, saying that she wasn't that bad, Tina says 'Nope, cause without her, nobody would have died!]]
*** [[spoiler: Making things worse? Tina does technically have a point, since Angel was, however involuntarily, manipulating all of the Vault Hunters from the very beginning of the very first game, ultimately setting them up for downfall at Handsome Jack's hands.]]
---->'''Tina''': You've done it! The Handsome Sorcerer is dead. And guess who showed up to celebrate? Everyone's favorite invincible knight... [[spoiler: ROLAND]]!\\

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* Funny as the DLC is, Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep can be summarized as "Tina's complete inability to deal with the deaths of anyone she cares about, especially [[spoiler:Roland]].Roland."
** How Tina treats [[spoiler: Angel]] Angel in the game as well. [[spoiler: Tina turns Angel into a monster, and has her say things like 'I "I am the root of your suffering!' suffering!" and at the end, when Lilith comes to Angel's defense, saying that she wasn't that bad, Tina says 'Nope, cause without her, nobody would have died!]]
died!
*** [[spoiler: Making things worse? Tina does technically have a point, since Angel was, however involuntarily, manipulating all of the Vault Hunters from the very beginning of the very first game, ultimately setting them up for downfall at Handsome Jack's hands.]]
hands.
---->'''Tina''': You've done it! The Handsome Sorcerer is dead. And guess who showed up to celebrate? Everyone's favorite invincible knight... [[spoiler: ROLAND]]!\\ROLAND!\\



'''Tina''': And [[spoiler: Roland]] showed up and he was really happy, and everyone lived forever and it was great. The end.\\
'''Lilith''': Enough! You can't just deny what Jack did to [[spoiler: Roland]].\\

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'''Tina''': And [[spoiler: Roland]] Roland showed up and he was really happy, and everyone lived forever and it was great. The end.\\
'''Lilith''': Enough! You can't just deny what Jack did to [[spoiler: Roland]].Roland.\\



'''Mordecai''': You need to accept it. [[spoiler: Roland is dea—]]\\
'''Tina''': [[spoiler:[[WhamLine I KNOW!]]... I know... But it's my story, and— (Tina starts crying)]]
** While we're talking about the ending, how about the part where Tina [[spoiler: climbs up onto the shoulders of Roland's statue, cries into it, and whispers "Goodbye"?]]
** The entire campaign, while initially presented as an off-beat fantasy take on the game with Tina's denial being initially played for laughs, slowly gains an undertone of sadness [[spoiler: as Tina's inability to cope with Roland's death grows and the other vault hunters getting increasingly frustrated with her. Her complete childishness at it, for once, is NOT played for laughs as she interrupts anyone who tries to say "Roland" and "dead" in the same sentence.]]
** It's not really even denial alone; the entire campaign is an attempt to rewrite history so that [[spoiler:Roland and Bloodwing]] are the ones to take down Jack (with the player's help) rather than dying at his hands. "It's my story..." indeed, one that honors them by casting them as the heroes. It crosses over into Heartwarming when seen in that light.

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'''Mordecai''': You need to accept it. [[spoiler: Roland [Roland is dea—]]\\
dea—\\
'''Tina''': [[spoiler:[[WhamLine [[WhamLine I KNOW!]]... I know... But it's my story, and— (Tina starts crying)]]
crying)
** While we're talking about the ending, how about the part where Tina [[spoiler: climbs up onto the shoulders of Roland's statue, cries into it, and whispers "Goodbye"?]]
"Goodbye"?
** The entire campaign, while initially presented as an off-beat fantasy take on the game with Tina's denial being initially played for laughs, slowly gains an undertone of sadness [[spoiler: as Tina's inability to cope with Roland's death grows and the other vault hunters getting increasingly frustrated with her. Her complete childishness at it, for once, is NOT played for laughs as she interrupts anyone who tries to say "Roland" and "dead" in the same sentence.]]
sentence.
** It's not really even denial alone; the entire campaign is an attempt to rewrite history so that [[spoiler:Roland Roland and Bloodwing]] Bloodwing are the ones to take down Jack (with the player's help) rather than dying at his hands. "It's my story..." indeed, one that honors them by casting them as the heroes. It crosses over into Heartwarming when seen in that light.



* A rather subdued moment (which most players will probably be too angry to notice) is when you first arrive at The Fridge's entrance while heading to Sanctuary after [[spoiler: Angel betrays you and Lilith teleports the city to the Highlands]]. [[spoiler: Angel]] makes it abundantly clear that she feels terrible about [[spoiler: betraying you]], and when you turn in the mission in preparation to enter The Fridge, [[spoiler: she]] quietly says "We're not friends anymore, are we?". In hindsight, given [[spoiler: Angel's backstory and the fact that you were probably the first person she's ever considered to be a friend]], this is quite a sad moment.
* A moment that is somehow simultaneously hilarious and extremely depressing is in Mad Moxxi's Wedding Day Massacre DLC. As you prepare to [[ItMakesSenseInContext storm the Zaford Distillery after kidnapping a baby to look for gold and booze so that you can make a Love Potion for Moxxi]], you'll run into a JNK Loader named Ed who was enslaved to work as manual labour for the Zafords. Unfortunately, he's been locked out of the Distillery while his love, Stella, is still inside. With your help, he works up the confidence to smash open the gates and the two of you successfully rescue his robot darling. Seems like a Happily Ever After, right? Well, you later get a sidequest from the Innuendobot 5000, who insists that he needs a blonde wig as part of his Valentine's Day presents. Naturally, you go off to find one, only to find that it's Stella's blonde wig. No problem, you'll just ask if you can borrow it. [[spoiler: Turns out, the blonde wig is wired into Stella's friend-or-foe identification system, meaning without it she will go berserk and attack everything indiscriminately, forcing you to kill her. Ed then comments that surely a silly old sidequest isn't worth killing his girlfriend over. Stella then pipes in to comment that while the mission will remain unfinished in your log, at least Stella and Ed will be happy together. You are then instructed by the Mission Log to steal the wig anyway. Upon doing so, you find out that Stella is actually an [[ActionBomb EXP Loader]] and will then blow up in an attempt to kill you, prompting Ed to attack you in grief-driven vengeance. You will most probably then have to kill Ed as well. In the end, to make matters worse, it turns out that the blonde wig was needed so that the Innuendobot could try pick up a Hodunk girl, who rejects him anyways. Moxxi, irritated by the Innuendobot, then has you destroy it. Meaning that in the end, Stella and Ed died for absolutely no reason.]]

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* A rather subdued moment (which most players will probably be too angry to notice) is when you first arrive at The Fridge's entrance while heading to Sanctuary after [[spoiler: Angel betrays you and Lilith teleports the city to the Highlands]]. [[spoiler: Angel]] Highlands. Angel makes it abundantly clear that she feels terrible about [[spoiler: betraying you]], you, and when you turn in the mission in preparation to enter The Fridge, [[spoiler: she]] she quietly says "We're not friends anymore, are we?". In hindsight, given [[spoiler: Angel's backstory and the fact that you were probably the first person she's ever considered to be a friend]], friend, this is quite a sad moment.
* A moment that is somehow simultaneously hilarious and extremely depressing is in Mad Moxxi's Wedding Day Massacre DLC. As you prepare to [[ItMakesSenseInContext storm the Zaford Distillery after kidnapping a baby to look for gold and booze so that you can make a Love Potion for Moxxi]], you'll run into a JNK Loader named Ed who was enslaved to work as manual labour for the Zafords. Unfortunately, he's been locked out of the Distillery while his love, Stella, is still inside. With your help, he works up the confidence to smash open the gates and the two of you successfully rescue his robot darling. Seems like a Happily Ever After, right? Well, you later get a sidequest from the Innuendobot 5000, who insists that he needs a blonde wig as part of his Valentine's Day presents. Naturally, you go off to find one, only to find that it's Stella's blonde wig. No problem, you'll just ask if you can borrow it. [[spoiler: Turns out, the blonde wig is wired into Stella's friend-or-foe identification system, meaning without it she will go berserk and attack everything indiscriminately, forcing you to kill her. Ed then comments that surely a silly old sidequest isn't worth killing his girlfriend over. Stella then pipes in to comment that while the mission will remain unfinished in your log, at least Stella and Ed will be happy together. You are then instructed by the Mission Log to steal the wig anyway. Upon doing so, you find out that Stella is actually an [[ActionBomb EXP Loader]] and will then blow up in an attempt to kill you, prompting Ed to attack you in grief-driven vengeance. You will most probably then have to kill Ed as well. In the end, to make matters worse, it turns out that the blonde wig was needed so that the Innuendobot could try pick up a Hodunk girl, who rejects him anyways. Moxxi, irritated by the Innuendobot, then has you destroy it. Meaning that in the end, Stella and Ed died for absolutely no reason.]]



* If you've played ''Tales From The Borderlands,'' anytime you hear [[spoiler: Scooter say "CATCH A RIDE!"]] can cause an unexpected burst of tears.
* [[spoiler: Brick]] going insane and becoming a bandit because The Sheriff killed his dog at first seems like a one-off dark joke. That is until you reach Lynchwood and she taunts you about it, revealing [[spoiler:Brick]] was sobbing like a child as she snapped the poor puppy's neck. RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM. It makes killing her all the more satisfying.
** He also got himself thrown out of Sanctuary soon after that because when he came across the guy who sold out New Haven to Hyperion and brought about its fall, [[spoiler:Shep Sanders from the original game]], he was absolutely brutal in killing the guy, a brutality most likely brought about by his pain at seeing New Haven fall and what Nisha did to said dog.
* Watching Jack's VillainousBreakdown when you [[spoiler: kill Angel]]. He goes from a giggling JerkAss to a very human greiving father. Though the fact that he'd horrifically abused her and doomed her to a life of servitude and reliance on Eridium to serve his own ends makes it feel undeserved on his part, continuing his trend of having absolutely no self-awareness that he is the source of all of his own problems.
* For anyone who played Tales From The Borderlands, having to [[spoiler: [[MercyKill put down]] [[BodyHorror a heavily mutated]] Dr. Cassius]] will definitely hurt.
* [[spoiler: The memorial for Scooter in Commander Lilith and the Fight for Sanctuary. It starts off with Scooter being...well Scooter. Asking you to find a good home for his porno mags and him trying to pre-emptively guess at what you're doing when his ECHO chimes in. Then you're asked to transfer ownership of his business to Ellie, and he tells you this with absolutely no hint of his usual humor, just how much he loves his sister and mother. Finally he asks you to jump over his memorial with one of his vehicles, which Ellie helps you do with either fireworks or a laser light show. At the end of all this, Scooter thanks you for your efforts, and signs off with his signature catch phrase.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Scooter''': I gotta Catch-a-Ride to Heaven.]]

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* If you've played ''Tales From The Borderlands,'' anytime you hear [[spoiler: Scooter say "CATCH A RIDE!"]] RIDE!" can cause an unexpected burst of tears.
* [[spoiler: Brick]] Brick going insane and becoming a bandit because The Sheriff killed his dog at first seems like a one-off dark joke. That is until you reach Lynchwood and she taunts you about it, revealing [[spoiler:Brick]] Brick was sobbing like a child as she snapped the poor puppy's neck. RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM. It makes killing her all the more satisfying.
** He also got himself thrown out of Sanctuary soon after that because when he came across the guy who sold out New Haven to Hyperion and brought about its fall, [[spoiler:Shep Shep Sanders from the original game]], game, he was absolutely brutal in killing the guy, a brutality most likely brought about by his pain at seeing New Haven fall and what Nisha did to said dog.
* Watching Jack's VillainousBreakdown when you [[spoiler: kill Angel]].Angel. He goes from a giggling JerkAss to a very human greiving father. Though the fact that he'd horrifically abused her and doomed her to a life of servitude and reliance on Eridium to serve his own ends makes it feel undeserved on his part, continuing his trend of having absolutely no self-awareness that he is the source of all of his own problems.
* For anyone who played Tales From The Borderlands, having to [[spoiler: [[MercyKill put down]] [[BodyHorror a heavily mutated]] Dr. Cassius]] Cassius will definitely hurt.
* [[spoiler: The memorial for Scooter in Commander Lilith and the Fight for Sanctuary. It starts off with Scooter being...well Scooter. Asking you to find a good home for his porno mags and him trying to pre-emptively guess at what you're doing when his ECHO chimes in. Then you're asked to transfer ownership of his business to Ellie, and he tells you this with absolutely no hint of his usual humor, just how much he loves his sister and mother. Finally he asks you to jump over his memorial with one of his vehicles, which Ellie helps you do with either fireworks or a laser light show. At the end of all this, Scooter thanks you for your efforts, and signs off with his signature catch phrase.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Scooter''':
phrase.
-->'''Scooter''':
I gotta Catch-a-Ride to Heaven.]]Heaven.
** Scooter's death can also come out of nowhere for players who never played ''Tales.'' The [[HeroicSacrifice details]] aren't made clear since the ones talking about out are Moxxi and Ellie, who are the ones who'd be most affected by it.


'''Lilith''': Wow... now I kinda feel like a dick.\\

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'''Lilith''': [[HeelRealization Wow... now I kinda feel like a dick.dick]].\\


-->'''Tina''': You've done it! The Handsome Sorcerer is dead. And guess who showed up to celebrate? Everyone's favorite invincible knight... [[spoiler: ROLAND]]!
-->'''Mordecai''': That's— that's enough, Tina.
-->'''Tina''': And [[spoiler: Roland]] showed up and he was really happy, and everyone lived forever and it was great. The end.
-->'''Lilith''': Enough! You can't just deny what Jack did to [[spoiler: Roland]].
-->'''Tina''': Can't hear youuuuu.
-->'''Brick''': She's right, Tina.
-->'''Tina''': So, do you guys wanna do some sidequests, or—
-->'''Mordecai''': You need to accept it. [[spoiler: Roland is dea—]]
-->'''Tina''': [[spoiler:[[WhamLine I KNOW!]]... I know... But it's my story, and— (Tina starts crying)]]

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-->'''Tina''': ---->'''Tina''': You've done it! The Handsome Sorcerer is dead. And guess who showed up to celebrate? Everyone's favorite invincible knight... [[spoiler: ROLAND]]!
-->'''Mordecai''':
ROLAND]]!\\
'''Mordecai''':
That's— that's enough, Tina.
-->'''Tina''':
Tina.\\
'''Tina''':
And [[spoiler: Roland]] showed up and he was really happy, and everyone lived forever and it was great. The end.
-->'''Lilith''':
end.\\
'''Lilith''':
Enough! You can't just deny what Jack did to [[spoiler: Roland]].
-->'''Tina''':
Roland]].\\
'''Tina''':
Can't hear youuuuu.
-->'''Brick''':
youuuuu.\\
'''Brick''':
She's right, Tina.
-->'''Tina''':
Tina.\\
'''Tina''':
So, do you guys wanna do some sidequests, or—
-->'''Mordecai''':
or—\\
'''Mordecai''':
You need to accept it. [[spoiler: Roland is dea—]]
-->'''Tina''':
dea—]]\\
'''Tina''':
[[spoiler:[[WhamLine I KNOW!]]... I know... But it's my story, and— (Tina starts crying)]]



-->'''Mr. Torgue''': [InelegantBlubbering]
-->'''Lilith''': Wow... now I kinda feel like a dick.
-->'''Tina''': Yeeeeeahmetoo.

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-->'''Mr. Torgue''': [InelegantBlubbering]
-->'''Lilith''':
[InelegantBlubbering]\\
'''Lilith''':
Wow... now I kinda feel like a dick.
-->'''Tina''':
dick.\\
'''Tina''':
Yeeeeeahmetoo.


* For anyone who played Tales From The Borderlands, having to [[spoiler: [[MercyKill put down]] [[BodyHorror a heavily mutated]] Dr. Cassius]] will definitely hurt.

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* For anyone who played Tales From The Borderlands, having to [[spoiler: [[MercyKill put down]] [[BodyHorror a heavily mutated]] Dr. Cassius]] will definitely hurt.hurt.
* [[spoiler: The memorial for Scooter in Commander Lilith and the Fight for Sanctuary. It starts off with Scooter being...well Scooter. Asking you to find a good home for his porno mags and him trying to pre-emptively guess at what you're doing when his ECHO chimes in. Then you're asked to transfer ownership of his business to Ellie, and he tells you this with absolutely no hint of his usual humor, just how much he loves his sister and mother. Finally he asks you to jump over his memorial with one of his vehicles, which Ellie helps you do with either fireworks or a laser light show. At the end of all this, Scooter thanks you for your efforts, and signs off with his signature catch phrase.]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Scooter''': I gotta Catch-a-Ride to Heaven.]]


-->'''Sir Hammerlock''': What a shame about that [[spoiler:Roland]] lad. Never met him, but he sounded...quite kind.

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-->'''Sir --->'''Sir Hammerlock''': What a shame about that [[spoiler:Roland]] lad. Never met him, but he sounded...quite kind.



-->'''Tina:''' ''(In a voice completely devoid of her usual life and enthusiasm)'' [[spoiler: Roland's dead?]] Thank you for... Thank you for telling me. Please go now. Here. I was saving this for a rainy day, but maybe you can use it to take down Jack. Please go now.

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-->'''Tina:''' ---->'''Tina:''' ''(In a voice completely devoid of her usual life and enthusiasm)'' [[spoiler: Roland's dead?]] Thank you for... Thank you for telling me. Please go now. Here. I was saving this for a rainy day, but maybe you can use it to take down Jack. Please go now.



-->[[spoiler: '''Handsome Jack''': ''No, no, no... I can't die like this... Not when I'm so close... And not at the hands of a filthy bandit! I could have saved this planet! I could have actually restored order! And I wasn't supposed to die by the hands... of a CHILD KILLING PSYCHOPATH!! You're a savage! You're a maniac, you are a bandit, AND I AM THE GODDAMN HERO!!'']]

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-->[[spoiler: --->[[spoiler: '''Handsome Jack''': ''No, no, no... I can't die like this... Not when I'm so close... And not at the hands of a filthy bandit! I could have saved this planet! I could have actually restored order! And I wasn't supposed to die by the hands... of a CHILD KILLING PSYCHOPATH!! You're a savage! You're a maniac, you are a bandit, AND I AM THE GODDAMN HERO!!'']]



*** It goes back to TearJerker when you realize Michael Mamaril almost always spawns carrying the Scorpio Assault Rifle

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*** It goes back to TearJerker when you realize Michael Mamaril almost always spawns carrying the Scorpio Assault RifleRifle.


* For anyone who played Tales From The Borderlands, having to [[spoiler: MercyKill put down a heavily mutated Dr. Cassius]] will definitely hurt.

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* For anyone who played Tales From The Borderlands, having to [[spoiler: MercyKill [[MercyKill put down down]] [[BodyHorror a heavily mutated mutated]] Dr. Cassius]] will definitely hurt.

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