History StrawmanHasAPoint / VeganArtbook

* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and came under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' calls Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'' to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. While humans, as omnivores, can safely eat a proper vegan diet, many animals require nutrients found only in animal flesh or are incapable of digesting plant matter and cannot survive without meat.

* In one three-part comic about the shooting of two bulls (erroneously labeled as calves) that got free, Shawn points out that [[http://archive.is/N3yhF they could have hurt a child]] if they weren't put down. However, the narrative quickly dismisses him by saying that it wouldn't have happened if people didn't eat meat in the first place. Of course, this doesn't refute the fact that, as it is, the bulls would indeed have been a serious threat to anyone they met while free.

** The "where do you draw the line?" attitude is mocked again with a two-panel comic that shows vegetables and "how carnist see vegetables apparently," with the latter having smiling faces. While this is intended to mock the idea of anthropomorphizing vegetables, it raises a good point about anthropomorphizing animals to make them more sympathetic, something the comic regularly does. In a weird way, the comic accidentally satirizes itself.

* Another time [[StrawLoser Shawn]] makes a valid point against veganism is when he brings a case of a vegan getting [[http://archive.is/2P1fQ hospitalized for iron deficiency]] (actually a common concern about vegan diets, usually due to leafy vegetables being unavailable or difficulty absorbing nonheme iron). The narrative and Lillith treat this as an example of him having double standards by counterarguing that standard western diets cause more health problems...which not only doesn't really prove his point wrong but is a false equivalence in the bargain (equating, as it does, omnivorous diets ''as a whole'' with the most unbalanced and unhealthy of the lot).

* [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/2d/d0/602dd07a4243178bbf3a6f83fe35efe3.jpg In one particular strip about Brie/Plausibell giving out vegan food without telling people what it is]], Shawn points out how deceptive it was of his sister, and Legua defends this, saying you can't trick someone into eating something they already eat. Yes, you can. If you take an orange, disguise it as an apple, and then give it to people while telling someone that it's an apple, it doesn't matter if the people you sell it to already eat oranges, ''you're still tricking them.''

* [[MaternallyChallenged Elise]], Mike and Tommy's mother, in Pupa Vegan Comic 250, is shown preventing Rohit's cat from eating a cheeseburger because it will become [[http://archive.is/eUXHW fat and unhealthy]], but then [[StrawHypocrite proceeds to feed it]] to her obese son. While the point was meant to show how people oftentimes care more about their pet's health than children's, foods that are especially fattening for humans are worse for animals, and it is a good reason to keep them away from them. Also, with pets, sometimes "fattening" isn't the only concern-- what can be safe for a human to eat can sometimes even be ''toxic'' for an animal (a well-known example is chocolate, which humans think is tasty but can be poisonous to dogs).

* [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/2d/d0/602dd07a4243178bbf3a6f83fe35efe3.jpg In one particular strip about Brie/Plausibell giving out vegan food without telling people what it is]], Shawn points out how deceptive it was of his sister and Legua defends this, saying you can't trick someone into eating something they already eat. Yes, you can. If you take an orange, disguise it as an apple, and then give it to people while telling someone that it's an apple, it doesn't matter if the people you sell it to already eat oranges, ''you're still tricking them.''

* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and came under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' calls Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'', to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. While humans, as omnivores, can safely eat a proper vegan diet, many animals require nutrients found only in animal flesh or are incapable of digesting plant matter and cannot survive without meat.

* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[MyFutureSelfAndMe His older self]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally while judging all life as precious. He also states that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgemental since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, the younger Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], but the younger Bongo is one hundred percent correct in that countless times (as documented on this page), vegans are shown as viewing themselves as morally superior. Also, they claim to view all life as precious, yet [[BoomerangBigot express low views on humanity]] and don't seem to mind as much when it's cats who die.

Sometimes, in TheWarOnStraw, the StrawmanHasAPoint and it's not the DesignatedHero [[StrawVegetarian Straw Vegan]].

* In one three-part comic about the shooting of two bulls (erroneously labeled as calves) that got free, Shawn points out that [[http://archive.is/N3yhF they could have hurt a child]] if they weren't put down. However, he is quickly dismissed by the narrative by saying that it wouldn't have happened if people didn't eat meat in the first place. Of course, this doesn't refute the fact that, as it is, the bulls would indeed have been a serious threat to anyone they met while free.

* In response to Legua's statement that people should go vegan to respect animals, Shawn brings up the notion that going with their line of reasoning that they should also respect bacteria and [[http://archive.is/3TkZi asks "Where do you draw the line?"]] This being [[StrawLoser Shawn]], the narrative paints him as an annoying troll who is espousing stupid comments. However, he does bring up a good point about how far the logic espoused by vegans could also justify the idea of it being bad to kill bacteria as well, and his asking where to draw the line raises a good question of what makes an organism worthy of respect and protection. Legua fails to make a real answer, and [[AdHominem resorts to insults]].
** The "where do you draw the line?" attitude is mocked again with a two-panel comic that shows vegetables and "how carnist see vegetables apparently," with the latter having smiling faces. While this is intended to mock the idea of anthropomorphizing vegetables, it raises a good point about anthropomorphizing animals to make them more sympathetic, something the comic does regularly. In a weird way, the comic accidentally satirizes itself.
* Diva states that Dolly has become [[http://archive.is/0hxkM more of a jerk after she converted to veganism]], and Dolly smugly claims that she is better now than when she was an "omnivore", when she only cared about her palate. It's almost inarguably true that Dolly has become [[TookALevelInJerkass more self-righteous, obnoxious, anger prone, and rude]] ever since she turned vegan though.
* Another time [[StrawLoser Shawn]] makes a valid point against veganism, is when he brings a case of a vegan getting [[http://archive.is/2P1fQ hospitalized for iron deficiency]] (actually a common concern about vegan diets, usually due either to leafy vegetables being unavailable or to difficulty absorbing nonheme iron). The narrative and Lillith treat this as an example of him having double standards by counterarguing that standard western diets cause more health problems...which not only doesn't really prove his point wrong but is a false equivalence in the bargain (equating, as it does, omnivorous diets ''as a whole'' with the most unbalanced and unhealthy of the lot).
* Shawn's counterarguments during the barn fire arc about how farmers do try to do as much as they can to prevent fire tragedies from happening, with money issues being a reason why they can't always get the best security for their animals, it happened due to poor structure and not meat consumption, and the fact they do deserve sympathy for how their livelihood is threatened because of these accidents may ring true for a lot of readers. However, the comic treats these arguments as lame excuses and sides with the [[DesignatedHero vegan protagonists']] views that these farmers don't deserve any sympathy due to their profession and that they only care about money.

* [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/2d/d0/602dd07a4243178bbf3a6f83fe35efe3.jpg In one particular strip about Brie/Plausibell giving out vegan food without telling people what it is]], Shawn points out how deceptive it was of his sister and Legua defends this saying you can't trick someone into eating something they already eat. Yes, you can. If you take an orange, disguise it as an apple, and then give it to people while telling someone that it's an apple, it doesn't matter if the people you sell it to already eat oranges, ''you're still tricking them.''

* Shawn justifies killing animals for food, due to them not being on the [[http://archive.is/ZEbuv same intellectual capability as humans]]. Dolly's response is purely an AdHominem, pointing out that Shawn has not personally done the things that he says animals cannot do. He says then no to all of them, and the comic ends as if that should have won the argument. However, what Shawn has done personally has nothing to do with the argument, and (while it may or may not be a convincing argument that eating animals is okay), Dolly's argument does not refute the fact that animals are not on the same level of sapience as us.
* Shawn makes a statement about how vegans should stop complaining about other people's diet choices and that [[http://archive.is/CWf0H everyone should get along with one another]]. The narrative and [[SoapboxSadie Brie/Plausibell]] treat his position as being [[MoralMyopia morally myopic]], when he does make a good point about showing tolerance towards others who don't share their views.
* Shawn tries to make a point about how vegans try to force people to stop eating meat, by comparing it to trying to [[http://archive.is/ndAVk force people to stop being gay]]. The strip tries to portray him as being a PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who is comparing being gay to allowing suffering in the world, but he makes a sound case for the idea that forcing people to conform to your stances is intolerant and narrow-minded.

* Shawn has a [[https://archive.is/3bhz3 heart-to-heart talk about veganism]] with his younger sister, [[CheerfulChild Cherry]], where he sagely says that being vegan is okay, but you shouldn't be closeminded about it. We are supposed to side with Cherry for sticking with her principles and shutting down her brother's proposal with the counterclaim that tolerating omnivorism is endorsing "slavery" and "murder". However, her brother wasn't proven wrong about the idea of being open-minded towards others, and it just makes her come off as dogmatically shutting down other viewpoints that don't agree with her.
* [[MaternallyChallenged Elise]], Mike and Tommy's mother, in Pupa Vegan Comic 250 is shown preventing Rohit's cat from eating a cheeseburger because it will become [[http://archive.is/eUXHW fat and unhealthy]], but then [[StrawHypocrite proceeds to feed it]] to her obese son. While the point was meant to show how people oftentimes care more about their pet's health than children's, foods that are especially fattening for humans are worse for animals and it is a good reason to keep them away from them. Also, with pets, sometimes "fattening" isn't the only concern-- what can be safe for a human to eat can sometimes even be ''toxic'' for an animal (a well-known example is chocolate, which humans think is tasty but can be poisonous to dogs).
* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and came under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' calls Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'', in order to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. While humans, as omnivores, can safely eat a proper vegan diet, many animals require nutrients found only in animal flesh or are incapable of digesting plant matter and literally cannot survive without meat as a result.

* When arguing with Azusa about why it's justifiable to eat meat,[[https://pupaveg.deviantart.com/art/312-They-are-less-intelligent-4-737976076 "Weeb" Alicia]] says it's because they are less intelligent. He then twists her argument to say that her reasoning would support killing pets and mentally disabled people. Azusa is portrayed as trying to show consistency in her logic and as a result, the supposed winner of the debate. However, Alice is right to protest about the fact that Azusa was using flawed strawman fallacies to counter her arguments, which were mostly made of slippery slope fallacies.
* Alice [[http://archive.li/7jHdS in Pupa Vegan 337]] is treated as being an immature [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], whose criticisms of the vegans are just [[PsychologicalProjection baseless projections]] and [[AdHominem insults]]. Despite Rohit's rebuttals to her, the past behavior of vegan characters like him actually support her statement, including the habit of forcing their beliefs on others and how easily offended they are. In addition, she is right about how their way of talking about veganism is pushy and can make people turn off from it.
* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[MyFutureSelfAndMe His older self]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally while judging all life as being precious. He also states that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgemental since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, the younger Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], but the younger Bongo is one hundred percent correct in that countless times (as documented on this page) vegans are shown as viewing themselves as morally superior. Also, they claim to view all life as precious, yet [[BoomerangBigot express low views on humanity]] and don't seem to mind as much when it's cats who die.
* Like with the comic featuring Sonia Sae, Alice takes offense when Lilith [[http://archive.fo/vZlaW makes a comparison between killing animals and the disabled in an argument about intelligence being a justification for eating meat]]. Alice is again treated like a hypocrite when she protests about how tactless the comparison is and is spun as being bigoted, or in their own words, "speciest," against animals. However, just like the Holocaust analogy, she was right to be appalled about how she demeaned disabled people in the name of her cause. In addition, given how disabled people, like many marginalized groups, have been compared to animals to justify dehumanizing them, it comes off as even more insensitive.
* In [[http://archive.fo/B4LiY Pupa Vegan Pink 410]], [[CategoryTraitor Bunny]] believes {{Anvilicious}}lly preaching to non-vegans is counterproductive and that respecting their right to eat meat helps the vegan agenda better. Even though she is treated as just doing it to gain validation and attention from non-vegans by [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Raziel]], she is right about the fact that bashing non-vegans just turns them off, especially in-universe where the non-vegan cast won't go vegan because of how insufferable the more intolerant vegans are.
* In [[http://archive.fo/Uwfvu another comic]] featuring [[PinkIsFeminine Bunny]] and [[GranolaGirl Lulu]], the former claims she is not [[HolierThanThou judgmental]] like the latter. Lulu counterargues that Bunny actually is because she judges racists and misogynists while not taking animal rights as seriously and is thus a specietist. However, Bunny has actually shown herself not to be judgmental like the rest of her vegan peers, who have done everything from ridicule to outright murder non-vegans.

* In another comic with Shawn, he points out how an [[http://archive.is/McVtu unsolicited postcard]] depicting a naked mother and her babies posed like a sow in a gestation crate was exploitative and objectifying to women. But due to the message of the strip being that it's wrong to exploit ''mothers'' of ''any'' species, he's again treated as wrong.

* In response to Legua's statement that people should go vegan in order to respect animals, Shawn brings up the notion that going with their line of reasoning that they should also respect bacteria and [[http://archive.is/3TkZi asks "Where do you draw the line?"]] This being [[StrawLoser Shawn]], the narrative paints him as an annoying troll who is espousing stupid comments. However, he does bring up a good point about how far the logic espoused by vegans could also justify the idea of it being bad to kill bacteria as well, and his asking where to draw the line raises the good question of what makes an organism worthy of respect and protection. Legua fails to make a real answer, and [[AdHominem resorts to insults]].
** The "where do you draw the line?" attitude is mocked again with a two-panel comic that shows vegetables and "how carnist see vegetables apparently," with the latter having smiling faces. While this is intended to mock the idea of anthropomorphizing vegetables, it actually raises a good point about anthropomorphizing animals to make them more sympathetic, something the comic does on a regular basis. In a weird way, the comic accidentally satirizes itself.

* Another time [[StrawLoser Shawn]] makes a valid point against veganism, is when he brings a case of a vegan getting [[http://archive.is/2P1fQ hospitalized for iron deficiency]] (actually a common concern about vegan diets, usually due either to leafy vegetables being unavailable or to difficulty absorbing nonheme iron). The narrative and Lillith treat this as an example of him having double standards by counter-arguing that standard western diets cause more health problems...which not only doesn't really prove his point wrong but is a false equivalence in the bargain (equating, as it does, omnivorous diets ''as a whole'' with the most unbalanced and unhealthy of the lot).

* [[MaternallyChallenged Elise]], Mike and Tommy's mother, in Pupa Vegan Comic 250 is shown preventing Rohit's cat from eating a cheeseburger on the grounds that it will become [[http://archive.is/eUXHW fat and unhealthy]], but then [[StrawHypocrite proceeds to feed it]] to her obese son. While the point was meant to show how people oftentimes care more about their pet's health than children's, foods that are especially fattening for humans are worse for animals and it is a good reason to keep them away from them. Also, with pets, sometimes "fattening" isn't the only concern-- what can be safe for a human to eat can sometimes even be ''toxic'' for an animal (a well-known example is chocolate, which humans think is tasty but can be poisonous to dogs).

* When arguing with Azusa about why it's justifiable to eat meat,[[https://pupaveg.deviantart.com/art/312-They-are-less-intelligent-4-737976076 "Weeb" Alicia]] says it's because they are less intelligent. He then twists her argument to say that her line of reasoning would support killing pets and mentally disabled people. Azusa is portrayed as trying to show consistency in her logic and as a result the supposed winner of the debate. However, Alice is right to protest about the fact that Azusa was using flawed strawman fallacies to counter her arguments, which were mostly made of slippery slope fallacies.

* Like with the comic featuring Sonia Sae, Alice takes offense when Lilith [[http://archive.fo/vZlaW makes a comparison between killing animals and the disabled in an argument about intelligence being a justification for eating meat]]. Alice is again treated like a hypocrite, when she protests about how tactless the comparison is and is spun as being bigoted, or in their own words speciest, against animals. However, just like with the Holocaust analogy, she was right to be appalled about how she demeaned disabled people in the name of her cause. In addition, given how disabled people, like many marginalized groups, have been compared to animals to justify dehumanizing them, it comes off as even more insensitive.

* In [[http://archive.fo/Uwfvu another comic]] featuring [[PinkIsFeminine Bunny]] and [[GranolaGirl Lulu]], the former claims she is not [[HolierThanThou judgmental]] like the latter. Lulu counterargues that Bunny actually is because she judges racists and misogynists, while not taking animal rights as seriously and is thus a specietist. However Bunny has actually shown herself not to be judgmental like the rest of her vegan peers, who have done everything from ridicule to outright murder non-vegans.

* In one three part comic about the shooting of two bulls (erroneously labeled as calves) that got free, Shawn points out that [[http://archive.is/N3yhF they could have hurt a child]] if they weren't put down. However, he is quickly dismissed by the narrative by saying that it wouldn't have happened if people didn't eat meat in the first place. Of course, this doesn't refute the fact that, as it is, the bulls would indeed have been a serious threat to anyone they met while free.

** The "where do you draw the line?" attitude is mocked again with a two panel comic that shows vegetables and "how carnist see vegetables apparently," with the later having smiling faces. While this is to intended to mock the idea of anthropomorphizing vegetables, it actually raises a good point about anthropomorphizing animals to make them more sympathetic, something the comic does on a regular basis. In a weird way, the comic accidently satirizes itself.

* Another time [[StrawLoser Shawn]] makes a valid point against veganism, is when he brings a case of a vegan getting [[http://archive.is/2P1fQ hospitalized for iron deficiency]] (actually a common concern about vegan diets, usually due either to leafy vegetables being unavailable or to difficulty absorbing nonheme iron). The narrative and Lillith treat this as an example of him having double standards by counter-arguing that standard western diets cause more health problems...which not only doesn't really prove his point wrong, but is a false equivalence in the bargain (equating, as it does, omnivorous diets ''as a whole'' with the most unbalanced and unhealthy of the lot).

* Shawn justifies killing animals for food, due to them not being on the [[http://archive.is/ZEbuv same intellectual capability as humans]]. Dolly response is purely an AdHominem, pointing out that Shawn has not personally done the things that he says animals cannot do. He says then no to all of them, and the comic ends as if that should have won the argument. However, what Shawn has done personally has nothing to do with the argument, and (while it may or may not be a convincing argument that eating animals is okay), Dolly's argument does not refute the fact that animals are not on the same level of sapience as us.

* Shawn tries to make a point about how vegans try to force people to stop eating meat, by comparing it to trying to [[http://archive.is/ndAVk force people to stop being gay]]. The strip tries to portray him as being a PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who is comparing being gay to allowing suffering in the world, but he makes a sound case for the idea that forcing people to conform to your stances is intolerant and narrow minded.
* When Dolly proclaims that she and the other vegans don't eat meat out of respect for animals, Shawn dismissively states she and the other vegans don't respect people as much. She refutes back by claiming that vegans [[InsaneTrollLogic respect humans by not eating them]], but the vegan characters have repeatedly shown their [[http://archive.is/X7dqX low opinion of humanity]], especially omnivores, and have [[http://archive.is/X7dqX openly stated their perference for animals.]]

* Shawn has a [[https://archive.is/3bhz3 heart to heart talk about veganism]] with his younger sister, [[CheerfulChild Cherry]], where he sagely says that being vegan is okay, but you shouldn't be closeminded about it. We are supposed to side with Cherry for sticking with her principles and shutting down her brother's proposal with the counterclaim that tolerating omnivorism is endorsing "slavery" and "murder". However, her brother wasn't proven wrong about the idea of being open minded towards others, and it just makes her come off as dogmatically shutting down other viewpoints that don't agree with her.
* [[MaternallyChallenged Elise]], Mike and Tommy's mother, in Pupa Vegan Comic 250 is shown preventing Rohit's cat from eating a cheeseburger on the grounds that it will become [[http://archive.is/eUXHW fat and unhealthy]], but then [[StrawHypocrite proceeds to feed it]] to her obese son. While the point was meant to show how people often times care more about their pets health than children's, foods that are especially fattening for humans are worse for animals and it is a good reason to keep them away from them. Also, with pets, sometimes "fattening" isn't the only concern-- what can be safe for a human to eat can sometimes even be ''toxic'' for an animal (a well-known example is chocolate, which humans think is tasty but can be poisonous to dogs).
* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and came under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' call Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'', in order to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. While humans, as omnivores, can safely eat a proper vegan diet, many animals requires nutrients found only in animal flesh or are incapable of digesting plant matter and literally cannot survive without meat as a result.
* [[FictionalCounterpart Alice]] comments about how victims of the [[http://archive.li/cBfij Holocaust were treated like animals]]. [[FictionalCounterpart Sonia Sae]] says the reverse about how livestock are treated like the previously mentioned victims, and the nameless omnivore protests about her comparison being disrespectful. The narrative wants to present this as an example of hypocrisy towards the treatment of animals, but she had every right to be offended about the fact that Sonia trivialized past injustices in order to spread her agenda.
* When arguing with Azusa about why it's justifiable to eat meat,[[https://pupaveg.deviantart.com/art/312-They-are-less-intelligent-4-737976076 "Weeb" Alicia]] says it's because they are less intelligent. He then twists her argument to say that her line of reasoning would support killing pets and mentally disabled people. Azusa is portrayed as trying to show consistency in her logic, and as a result the supposed winner of the debate. However, Alice is right to protest about the fact that Azusa was using flawed strawman fallacies to counter her arguments, which were mostly made of slippery slope fallacies.

* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[MyFutureSelfAndMe His older self]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally, while judging all life as being precious. He also states that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgmental, since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, the younger Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], but the younger Bongo is one hundred percent correct in that countless times (as documented on this page) vegans are shown as viewing themselves as morally superior. Also, they claim to view all life as precious, yet [[BoomerangBigot express low views on humanity]] and don't seem to mind as much when it's cats who die.

* In [[http://archive.fo/B4LiY Pupa Vegan Pink 410]], [[CategoryTraitor Bunny]] believes {{Anvilicious}}lly preaching to non-vegans is counterproductive and that respecting their right to eat meat helps the vegan agenda better. Even though she is treated as just doing it to gain validation and attention from non-vegans by [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Raziel]],she is right about the fact that bashing non-vegans just turns them off, especially in-universe where the non-vegan cast won't go vegan because of how insufferable the more intolerant vegans are.

* Like with the comic featuring Sonia Sae, Alice takes offense when [[GrumpyBear Lilith]] [[http://archive.fo/vZlaW makes a comparison between killing animals and the disabled in an argument about intelligence being a justification for eating meat]]. Alice is again treated like a hypocrite, when she protests about how tactless the comparison is and is spun as being bigoted, or in their own words speciest, against animals. However, just like with the Holocaust analogy, she was right to be appalled about how she demeaned disabled people in the name of her cause. In addition, given how disabled people, like many marginalized groups, have been compared to animals to justify dehumanizing them, it comes off as even more insensitive.

* The narrative insists that a vegan being shitty to you is [[http://archive.is/Twzlp no reason to hate veganism]]. However, the vegans in the comic are completely intolerant of anyone who's not in line with their absolutist position. While their willingness to demean, mock, and even violently assault the omnivore characters doesn't make their arguments incorrect, it absolutely is a valid point that behaving this way is going to push people away from veganism, especially if it's someone's first impression of vegans or it happens frequently enough to otherwise influence their opinion of vegans.

* The narrative insists that a vegan being shitty to you is [[http://archive.is/Twzlp no reason to hate veganism]]. However, the vegans in the comic are completely intolerant of anyone who's not in line with their absolutist position. While their willingness to demean, mock, and even violently assault the omnivore characters doesn't make their arguemnts incorrect, it absolutely is a valid point that behaving this way is going to push people away from veganism.

* In one panel, [[DesignatedVillain Diva]] goes on a rant about how people are "murdering" animals. Then [[DesignatedHero Dolly]] steps in and says meat is murder, and [[http://archive.is/6KnN1 Diva scolds her for misusing the word]]. While Diva is a StrawHypocrite about it, she is technically right that saying "meat is murder" doesn't fit the definition. It is defined by many dictionaries (which Diva herself was stating before her speech ended in gibberish) as, "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another".

* Bindiya [[http://archive.fo/ilrr8 in Pupa Vegan 559]] makes a point about the fact that calling animal slaughter "murder" makes no sense. The strip's narrative tries to make her seem unhinged, but she is technically right since the definition of "murder" doesn't match up with the description of animal slaughter, especially humane practices.

* The narrative insists that a vegan being shitty to you is [[http://archive.is/Twzlp no reason to hate veganism]]. However, the vegans in the comic are completely intolerant of anyone who's not in line with their absolutist position. In light of their willingness to demean, mock, and even violently assault the omnivore characters, it becomes a ''lot'' more understandable that the latter would be soured on veganism.

* Diva states that Dolly has become [[http://archive.is/0hxkM more of a jerk after she converted to veganism]], and Dolly smugly claims that she is better now than when she was an "omnivore", when she only cared about her palate. Many readers would side with Diva that Dolly has become [[TookALevelInJerkass more self-righteous, obnoxious, anger prone, and rude]] ever since she turned vegan.

* Shawn loudly proclaims that vegans believe they are better than everybody, then [[http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/File:138ONLINE-vegansthinktheyarebetter.jpg tries to portray him as a hypocrite for saying humans are better than them]]. He does make a strong point in his favor about the vegans always believing themselves to be better than others, due to always proclaiming how morally superior veganism is and demeaning anyone has the opposite views of them.

* Shawn justifies killing animals for food, due to them not being on the [[http://archive.is/ZEbuv same intellectual capability as humans]]. Dolly responds back by using an AdHominem, and asks if he has ever done anything of the things he mentioned animals can't do. He says then no to all of them, and the comic ends as if that should have won the argument. However, Shawn was right to point out how animals do not have the potential to do stuff that humans can, and it's potentially a good reason not to put them on the same level of sapience as us.

* When Dolly proclaims that she and the other vegans don't eat meat out of respect for animals, Shawn dismissively states she and the other vegans don't respect people as much. She refutes back by claiming that vegans [[InsaneTrollLogic respect humans by not eating them]]. However, in other strips the characters have shown a [[http://archive.is/X7dqX low opinion of humanity]], especially omnivores, and have [[http://archive.is/X7dqX openly stated that they love animals more.]]

* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and came under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' call Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'', in order to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. While humans can go vegan, many other animals are physically incapable of doing the same.

* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[MyFutureSelfAndMe His older self]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally, while judging all life as being precious. He also states that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgmental, since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, the younger Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], who spouts out some cliche strawman counterarguments. However, the younger Bongo is one hundred percent right about how the vegans act high and mighty towards non-vegans. Also, they claim to view all life as precious, yet [[BoomerangBigot express low views on humanity]] and don't seem to mind as much when it's cats who die.

* [[MaternallyChallenged Elise]], Mike and Tommy's mother, in Pupa Vegan Comic 250 is shown preventing Rohit's cat from eating a cheeseburger on the grounds that it will become [[http://archive.is/eUXHW fat and unhealthy]], but then [[StrawHypocrite proceeds to feed it]] to her obese son. While the point was meant to show how people often times care more about their pets health than children's, foods that are especially fattening for humans are worse for animals and it is a good reason to keep them away from them.

* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[MyFutureSelfAndMe His older self]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally, while judging all life as being precious. He also states that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgmental, since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, the younger Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], who spouts out some cliche strawman counterarguments. However, the younger Bongo is one hundred percent right about how the vegans act high and mighty towards non-vegans.

* In one three part comic about the shooting of two bulls (erroneously labeled as calves) that got free, Shawn points out that [[http://archive.is/N3yhF they could have hurt a child]] if they weren't put down. However, he is quickly dismissed by the narrative by saying that it wouldn't have happened if people didn't eat meat in the first place. Of course, this doesn't refute the fact that, as it is, the bulls would indeed have been a serious threat to anyone they met while three

* In one three part comic about the shooting of two bulls (erroneously labeled as calves) that got free, Shawn points out that [[http://archive.is/N3yhF they could have hurt a child]] if they weren't put down. However, he is quickly dismissed by the narrative by saying that it [[IrrationalHatred wouldn't have happened if people didn't eat meat in the first place]]. Then it hypocritically goes out to say that people who support the meat industry care more about their [[http://archive.is/n8AVa personal tastes than human safety]], with Shawn being the usual straw meat eater stand in.
* In another comic with Shawn, he points out how an [[http://archive.is/McVtu unsolicited postcard]] depicting a naked mother and her babies posed like a sow in a gestation crate was exploitative and objectifying to women. But due to the message of the strip being that it's wrong to exploit ''mothers'' of ''any'' species, he's again treated as wrong (and becomes the butt of another "mmmm, bacon" joke).

* Chanel in one strip points out that [[http://archive.is/IHGz0 economic status hinders people from choosing to go vegan]]. However, Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]] responds back with the notion that poor people wouldn't need to starve if farming was switched from meat to grain, and it ends on Chanel just wanting to still keep eating bacon. If Chanel wasn't a [[StrawLoser straw "carnist"]] made to lose all arguments, she would also point out that the solution that Brie/Plausibell proposes doesn't take into account the possible food allergies and deficiencies that poor people might have or that 95% of the land in the world used for grazing is not actually good enough to grow crops on.
** Or, for that matter: that wealthy nations already produce enough grain to feed the world even ''after'' one subtracts what's fed to livestock. The issue is not one of scarcity, but of ''inaccessibility''.
** In addition, since Brie/Plausibell's counterargument doesn't actually say anything about how poor people can be vegan in our culture ''as it is right now,'' she didn't actually counter Chanel's argument that many poor people can't feasibly be vegan.
* At one time, Shawn claims that vegans are like [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalists]] due to trying [[http://archive.is/8hRIH to convert everyone to their views]]. Legua then refutes him by saying that they are just trying to bring up the moral implications of eating animals...and the comic ends with Shawn stuffing his ears with carrots as visual shorthand for clinging to his ignorance and refusing to listen. However, the fact is throughout the series, the vegan characters are often times shown to be trying to covert people to their side and tend to use many extreme or demeaning tactics in order to do so.
** Not to mention, the only reason fundamentalists strive so hard to convert people is to make them conform to their moral views. The vegans do the exact same thing, they just don't involve God.
* Shawn proclaims to Dolly that since vegans like her claim that [[http://archive.is/fwVry animals should be treated our equals then it makes it okay for us to eat meat]], because some animals are carnivores. Dolly counters with [[http://archive.is/h9lgu four]] [[http://archive.is/qVQd1 reasons]] that are based on typical vegan talking points, and it ends on the notion that just because a species is different doesn't mean they should be treated badly, even if it's what they practice in nature. The problem is her reasoning doesn't work due to the fact that animals are [[BlueAndOrangeMorality not sapient beings who can grasp a human understanding of morality]], which would make it difficult for them to be elevated to the same status as humans. If they did have to elevate carnivores to their moral standards then they would have to question if eating meat is really barbaric, and in fact they're setting a specific [[DoubleStandard Double Standards]] on humans that they don't put on animals.
* In one panel, Chanel makes the suggestion that [[http://archive.is/TQKl0 instead of going completely vegan that people should eat less meat]]. Wendy treats her stance as if it was illogical, and sees it as just continuing cruelty to animals. However, the idea of eating less meat but not completely forgoing it has been a sound suggestion by many scientific experts who believe that it could help people economically and health wise. Also, if people went completely vegan, it could actually drive up the demand for plant based farming and actually cause more problems related to that specific industry (i.e. pesticide use, forest clearing) .
* In response to Legua's statement that people should go vegan in order to respect animals, Shawn brings up the notion that going with their line of reasoning that they should also respect bacteria and [[http://archive.is/3TkZi asks "Where do you draw the line?"]] This being [[StrawLoser Shawn]], the narrative paints him as an annoying troll who is espousing [[InsaneTrollLogic stupid comments]]. However, he does bring up a good point about how far the logic espoused by vegans could also justify the idea of it being bad to kill bacteria as well, and his asking where to draw the line raises the good question of what makes an organism worthy of respect and protection. Legua fails to make a real answer, and [[AdHominem resorts to insults]].

* Diva states that Dolly has become [[http://archive.is/0hxkM more of a jerk after she converted to veganism]], and Dolly smugly claims that she is better now than when she was an [[DesignatedEvil "omnivore"]], when she only cared about her palate. Non-extreme vegans would side with Diva that Dolly has become [[TookALevelInJerkass more self-righteous, obnoxious, anger prone, and rude]] ever since she [[HazyFeelTurn turned vegan]].
* One common argument that is brought up by the omnivore characters is that [[http://archive.is/m2LT1 veganism can be restrictive]], with the vegan characters always either showing and mentioning a variety of vegan based foods or resort to NoYou responses about omnivorism as counterarguments. However, the main vegan cast never take into account the availability and affordability of those staple vegan food or the possible allergies and health issues that would prevent them from being able to adjust to a vegan lifestyle. In other words, veganism can be very restrictive for a lot of people who don't have the means or ability to switch from a non-animal product based diet.
** It's also worth mentioning that the above mentioned NoYou hinges on the misconception that omnivore/carnist translates to a person who ''must'' eat animal products with every meal, an idea that shows up throughout the comic. In reality, while there are some hardcore carnist who do swear by meat with every meal, the overwhelming majority don't have an issue eating things that are vegetarian/ vegan. So yes veganism is in fact restrictive and does not open new dietary option unavailable to carnist.

* Shawn's counterarguments during the barn fire arc about how farmers do try to do as much as they can to prevent fire tragedies from happening, with money issues being a reason why they can't always get the best security for their animals, it happened due to poor structure and not meat consumption, and the fact they do deserve sympathy for how their livelihood is threatened because of these accidents. However, the comic treats these arguments as lame excuses and sides with the [[DesignatedHero vegan protagonists']] views that these farmers don't deserve any sympathy due to their profession and that they only care about money.
* Shawn loudly proclaims that vegans believe they are better than everybody, then [[http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/File:138ONLINE-vegansthinktheyarebetter.jpg tries to portray him as a hypocrite for saying humans are better than them and it's normal to use animals]]. He does make a strong point in his favor about the [[DesignatedHero vegans]] always believing themselves to be better than others, due to always proclaiming how morally superior veganism is and demeaning anyone has the opposite views of them. His other statement has just as much weight, due to the fact that its been normal for humans to use animals because they don't have the same level of sapience or understanding as us.

** It's also a really great way to potentially ''kill'' someone, if they have nut or soy allergies and you didn't tell them it contained those products.
* Many times the non-vegan characters comment on the fact that they find veganism extreme, [[http://pupavegan.deviantart.com/art/202-Extreme-693485167 with the vegan protagonists counterarguing that omnivorism is actually the extreme position]]. However, the vegan characters have an intense IrrationalHatred for anyone who doesn't follow their dogmatic views, even Shawn and Diva, who are the siblings of the vegan Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]] and Dolly, respectively, indicating that the vegans with omnivore relatives value their diet over their families. In addition, they refuse to even acknowledge the fact that the lifestyle can be very restrictive and even hazardous towards many people. Given those reasons, it can be justified why many people, especially the omnivores in the comic, would find veganism extreme.
* Shawn justifies killing animals for food, due to them not being on the [[http://archive.is/ZEbuv same intellectual capability as humans]]. Dolly responds back by using an AdHominem, and asks if he has ever done anything of the things he mentioned animals can't do. He says then no to all of them, and the comic ends as if that should have won the argument. However, Shawn was right to point out how animals do not have the potential to do stuff that humans can, and it's a good reason not to put them on the same level of sapience as us.
* Shawn makes a statement about how vegans should stop complaining about other people's diet choices and that [[http://archive.is/CWf0H everyone should get along with one another]]. The narrative and [[SoapboxSadie Brie/Plausibell]] treat his position as being [[MoralMyopia morally myopic]], when he does make a good point how people should show tolerance towards others who don't share their views.
* Shawn tries to make a point about how vegans try to force people to stop eating meat, by comparing it to trying to [[http://archive.is/ndAVk force people to stop being gay]]. The strip tries to portray him as being a PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who is comparing being gay to allowing suffering in the world, but he makes a sound case for the fact that forcing people to conform to your stances is intolerant and narrow minded.
* Shawn makes a justified comment about how it's really self-righteous for [[http://archive.is/KuKK3 the vegan characters to criticize others for not being vegan]]. However, his perspective is treated as irrelevant and Dolly deflects by saying that [[PsychologicalProjection its self-righteous to pay people to kill animals for food.]] This is compounded by the fact that the aforementioned killing is for cheese, not meat.

* Anytime the non-vegans criticize vegans for being too [[http://archive.is/PaA0t illogical due to being overtly emotional]], they are represented as being conceited [[StrawHypocrite straw hypocrites]], who just want to continue eating meat because it tastes good. However, the vegans in the series continually make emotionally charged (factually wrong) speeches and statements about how [[DesignatedEvil "evil"]] omnivorism and animal agriculture is, to the point that they even shed TenderTears.
* Here, [[http://www.veganartbook.com/img/comics/p42ONLINE.jpg Shawn is absolutely right when he says veganism limits choices]] only to be told that is what having a conscience feels like by Brie/[[SuddenNameChange Plausibell]]. His point was not refuted at all.
* Shawn proclaims that vegans are [[http://archive.is/8hrXq brainwashed and spreading misinformation]]. Dolly counterclaims that the dairy and meat industry are the real ones [[TheConspiracy propagandizing people and spreading myths]], by hiring PR agencies to write things in their favor. That doesn't refute Shawn's claim, because the vegans continually state information about their lifestyle and omnivorism that has been proven false.
* In one instance, Shawn tells Sterk that [[https://postimg.org/image/6gb5s8vg5/ veganism is not the be-all and end-all of animal welfare]]. Sterk's response to this is to use this as an excuse to be apathetic to the plight of his vegan friends, so that [[MisplacedRetribution they can beat up Shawn]] and [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming blame him for Sterk's inaction]]. While the narrative naturally treats Sterk's actions as being the logical conclusion of Shawn's statement, the truth is going vegan is often times not the right the solution when handling concerning animal abuse issues. There are even cases where veganism can even contribute to making animal abuse just as bad.
* When [[AlphaBitch Diva]] states that she's a meat eater and loves animals, [[GranolaGirl Dolly]] tries to counter her claim by saying that killing animals for meat is not compatible with love and she can show her vegan alternative ways. Diva responds by saying that their [[http://archive.is/f55Sb definition of love goes too far]]. While this is supposed to demonstrate how [[DesignatedVillain Diva]] [[LackOfEmpathy shows no true empathy towards animals]], she is absolutely right about the fact that some vegans take the definition of love too far when they resort to extreme tactics to force others to give up animal products.
* In one panel, [[DesignatedVillain Diva]] goes on a rant about how people are "murdering" animals. Then [[DesignatedHero Dolly]] steps in and says meat is murder, and [[http://archive.is/6KnN1 Diva scolds her for misusing the word]]. While Diva is a StrawHypocrite about it, she is right that saying "meat is murder" doesn't fit the definition. It is defined by many dictionaries (which Diva herself was stating before her speech ended in gibberish) as, "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another".
* Diva states that veganism is a lifestyle that is for [[http://archive.is/40Yfk privileged white people]]. Dolly treats her statement as [[EverythingIsRacist racist]] and says that non-privileged groups can embrace veganism, which is portrayed as becoming compassionate, selfless, conscious, and ethical. Contrary to Dolly's counterargument, people from underprivileged backgrounds have a harder time practicing a vegan diet due to availability and expenses. Even in places in India (which Yerdian cites as an example) where people are mostly non-meat eaters, poverty prevents those from getting vegan staples and as a result has caused rampant cases of malnutrition. In other words, there is a lot of reason to see veganism as something that can only be sustained by those who are well-off.
** And the argument also ignores the fact that, well, different foods are available in different amounts in different areas. Tofu, for example, is a common staple in east Asia, but is less common and often fairly expensive in other areas. A vegetarian or even vegan diet can actually sometimes be cheaper in some areas, while in others it can be almost completely unattainable.
* Diva makes a good point about [[http://archive.is/oMmfC eating meat and animal abuse not being the same thing]], and brings up the fact that she gets her products from her uncle, who practices ethical meat. Guest character, Reiner, treats this point as being an example of disconnection and the narrative makes it seem he won the argument, without considering how eating to fill a basic need is way different from abusing animals.

* Even though the [[http://archive.is/tJuSr quotes in defense of eating meat]] are treated by [[CheerfulChild Cherry]] and the narrative as being [[ItsAllAboutMe ego-centric]] and downplaying the victimization of animals (by treating them as commodities), they actually have a lot of merit to stand on. People should be able to eat meat without being judged and they should rightfully respect their choice, especially if it doesn't affect anyone but themselves.
* [[CountryMatters Cunton/Maura's]] views on [[http://archive.is/kJAHx hunting saving animals]] is treated as being [[InsaneTrollLogic nonsensical propaganda]] that is contradictory and hypocritical. However, her point about hunting is not wrong, because it causes animals to be seen as an [[https://www.hoover.org/research/how-hunting-saves-animals asset and provides revenue for conservation]]. Plus without revenue of hunting, poaching cannot be policed and can go unchecked. Also in certain parts of the world hunting provides revenue and meat for the native people as well.
* Shawn has a [[https://archive.is/3bhz3 heart to heart talk about veganism]] with his younger sister, [[CheerfulChild Cherry]], where he sagely says that being vegan is okay, but you shouldn't be closeminded about it. We are [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic supposed to side]] with Cherry for sticking with her principles and shutting down her brother's proposal with the counterclaim that tolerating omnivorism is endorsing [[YouKeepUsingThatWord "slavery" and "murder"]]. However, her brother wasn't proven wrong about the idea of being open minded towards others, and it just makes her come off as dogmatically shutting down other viewpoints that don't agree with her.
* [[http://archive.is/nTsfJ In PupaVegan Comic 316]], Shawn defends his position on eating animal products by saying omnivores consume them to survive. The comic tries to debunk his position by showing [[NutritionalNightmare unhealthy animal products]], and acts like he was claiming people couldn't survive without them, then presenting vegan alternatives to those foods. While humans can live without animal products and do enjoy eating them, it doesn't refute the fact omnivores eat them to sustain themselves. Additionally, even some of the unhealthy animal products shown in the comic do contain ''some'' useful nutrients (other than calories).
* [[LovableAlphaBitch Diva]] defends the notion that meat eaters can be animal lovers by stating the best way to show that love is [[http://archive.is/2jexv by killing them quickly]]. Then [[AxCrazy Sterk]] shows up to threaten her with a knife, in order to portray how [[InformedWrongness contradictory]] "humane slaughter" is. However, her position actually has sound merit, due to the fact that killing an animal quickly causes less struggle and stress for them.

* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and came under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' call Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'', in order to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. Even if humans can go vegan, many other animals are ''physically incapable of doing the same.''

* In Pupa Vegan 329, [[StrawLoser Shawn]] makes a great point about the fact that vegans selectively share [[http://archive.li/DY3DK one sided material on animal agriculture]]. He then continues to state that they should show the good parts in order, so that people can make up their own minds about how they feel about animal farming. His sister,[[CheerfulChild Cherry]], shoots down his idea by sarcastically saying if there is any pleasant photos of animal slaughter. However, since many vegan sources tend to show [[ManipulativeEditing misleading]] photos and depictions of farming life, it would actually be good to show the full picture so that people can be better informed.

* [[StrawCharacter Alice]] points out how inconsistent the [[http://archive.li/v85SE vegan philosophy of "cause no harm" is]], by bringing up the fact that many products used in everyday life involves using animal parts or slave labor. George Martin dismisses this notion by stating that even if they can't prevent all harm, people should try to minimize "suffering" in one area. And in the end, "Weeb" is drawn in a dippy manner to portray her as being "willingly ignorant". However, that still didn't refute the fact that the vegan philosophy has many inconsistent stances on what it means to cause less suffering.
* Younger Bongo asks Yerdian's FictionalCounterpart [[DoubleStandard why is it okay for animals to eat meat, but not humans]]. Her [[http://archive.li/DeyOh answer]] deflects by pointing out [[NatureIsNotNice unsavory things]] animals do that would be taboo if a person does it, and then screams that that is the same thing with people killing animals for meat. Even though the narrative treats as if her fictional self won the argument, it still stands that vegans' stance on eating meat is contradictory when it comes to animals, especially when they refuse to acknowledge that humans are naturally omnivores.
* [[http://archie.li/dkwfF In Pupa Vegan 348]], when Bongo's older counterpart states that animals can feel pain, fear, and don't want to be exploited or killed, Alice is portrayed as immaturely whining about him humanizing them. However, her point is not wrong, since Bongo's doppelganger treats livestock as if they have a human understanding of what death is.
* Alice [[http://archive.li/7jHdS in Pupa Vegan 337]] is treated as being an immature [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], whose criticisms of the vegans are just [[PsychologicalProjection baseless projections]] and [[AdHominem insults]]. Despite Rohit's rebuttals to her, the past behavior of [[DesignatedHero vegan]] characters like him actually support her statement, including the habit of forcing their beliefs on others and how easily offended they are. In addition, she is right about how their way of talking about veganism is pushy and can make people turn off from it.
* Bindiya [[http://archive.fo/ilrr8 in Pupa Vegan 559]] makes a point about the fact that calling animal slaughter "murder" makes no sense. The strip's narrative tries to make her seem unhinged, but she is right since the definition of "murder" doesn't match up with the description of animal slaughter, especially humane practices.
* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[MyFutureSelfAndMe His older self]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally, while judging all life as being precious. He also states [[PsychologicalProjection that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgmental]], since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, the younger Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], who spouts out some cliche strawman counterarguments. However, the younger Bongo is one hundred percent right about how the [[AnimalWrongsGroup vegans]] act high and mighty towards non-vegans. In fact instead of helping his case, his older self's defense [[IResembleThatRemark actually demonstrates how self-righteous vegans like him can be]] when it comes to omnivores and treatment of plant life.
* Like with the comic featuring Sonia Sae, Alice takes offense when [[GrumpyBear Lilith]] [[http://archive.fo/vZlaW makes a comparison between killing animals and the disabled in an argument about intelligence being a justification for eating meat]]. Alice is again treated like a hypocrite, when she protests about how tactless the comparison is and is spun as being bigoted, or in their own words speciest, against animals. However, just like with the Holocaust analogy, she was right to be appalled about how she demeaned disabled people in the name of her cause. In addition, given how disabled people, like many marginalized groups, have been compared to [[AnalogyBackfire animals]] to justify dehumanizing them, it comes off as even more insensitive.
* In [[https://www.deviantart.com/pupaveg/art/610-The-problem-is-mass-production-772735130 Pupa Vegan Purple 610]], Bindiya makes a sound and informed point about mass production being the problem behind the abuses in animal agriculture, and not farming in itself.When she reaches this conclusion, [[MyFutureSelfAndMe older Bongo]] expects her to give up eating animal products, but she [[IgnoredAesop rejects]] the notion and it's treated as an [[IgnoredEpiphany brushing off a moral realization]]. However, Bindiya is right to not entirely give up meat, since there are ways to ethically handle meat production.
* In [[http://archive.fo/B4LiY Pupa Vegan Pink 410]], [[CategoryTraitor Bunny]] believes {{Anvilicious}}lly preaching to non-vegans is counterproductive and that respecting their right to eat meat helps the vegan agenda better. Even though she is treated as just doing it to gain [[AttentionWhore validation and attention from non-vegans]] by [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Raziel]],she is right about the fact that bashing non-vegans just turns them off, especially in-universe where the non-vegan cast won't go vegan because of how insufferable the more intolerant vegans are.
* In [[http://archive.fo/Uwfvu another comic]] featuring [[PinkIsFeminine Bunny]] and [[GranolaGirl Lulu]], the former claims she is not [[HolierThanThou judgmental]] like the latter. Lulu [[InsaneTrollLogic counterargues]] that Bunny actually is because she judges racists and misogynists, while not taking animal rights as seriously and is thus [[InsistentTerminology a specietist]]. However, despite her attempt to falsely equate the concept of speciesm with racism and misogynists, Bunny has actually shown herself not to be judgmental like the rest of her [[AnimalWrongsGroup vegan peers]], who more than [[KnightTemplar happy to ridicule to even murder non-vegans]].
* When [[LovableAlphaBitch Diva]] finds out that [[WalkingShirtlessScene Sanc]] is an [[AnimalWrongsGroup animal liberator]] (and not an anti-human trafficker as she thought), [[http://archive.fo/9HuuK she turns on him and declares him a terrorist]]. Her turnabout is supposed to be portrayed as exposing [[DoubleStandard double standards]] when it comes to the treatment of animals, however, she is right about labeling him a terrorist-due to the notorious reputation that animal liberation has, which includes vandalism to outright violence.

* Shawn's counterarguments during the barn fire arc about how farmers do try to do as much as they can to prevent fire tragedies from happening, with money issues being a reason why they can't always get the best security for their animals, it happened due to poor structure and not meat consumption, and the fact they do deserve sympathy for how their livelihood is threatened because of these accidents. However, the comic treats these arguments as [[LameExcuse lame excuses]] and sides with the [[DesignatedHero vegan protagonists']] views that these farmers don't deserve any sympathy due to their profession and that they only care about money.

* When arguing with Azusa about why it's justifiable to eat meat, the [[https://pupaveg.deviantart.com/art/312-They-are-less-intelligent-4-737976076 "Weeb" omnivore]] says it's because they are less intelligent. He then twists her argument to say that her line of reasoning would support killing pets and mentally disabled people. Azusa is portrayed as trying to show consistency in her logic, and as a result the supposed winner of the debate. However, the "Weeb" Omnivore is right to protest about the fact that Azusa was using flawed strawman fallacies to counter her arguments, which were mostly made of slippery slope fallacies.

* Like with the comic featuring Sonia Sae, Weeb takes offense when [[GrumpyBear Lilith]] [[http://archive.fo/vZlaW makes a comparison between killing animals and the disabled in an argument about intelligence being a justification for eating meat]]. Weeb is again treated like a hypocrite, when she protests about how tactless the comparison is and is spun as being bigoted, or in their own words speciest, against animals. However, just like with the Holocaust analogy, she was right to be appalled about how she demeaned disabled people in the name of her cause. In addition, given how disabled people, like many marginalized groups, have been compared to [[AnalogyBackfire animals]] to justify dehumanizing them, it comes off as even more insensitive.

* Even though a lot of her reasoning was faulty due to the biased narrative, Cuntons was right about the fact that it's racially insensitive to compare the tragedy of the [[http://archive.is/prRZg Holocaust to animals killed for meat]]. She is then shot down as building a strawman argument.

* [[CountryMatters Cunton's]] views on [[http://archive.is/kJAHx hunting saving animals]] is treated as being [[InsaneTrollLogic nonsensical propaganda]] that is contradictory and hypocritical. However, her point about hunting is not wrong, because it causes animals to be seen as an [[https://www.hoover.org/research/how-hunting-saves-animals asset and provides revenue for conservation]]. Plus without revenue of hunting, poaching cannot be policed and can go unchecked. Also in certain parts of the world hunting provides revenue and meat for the native people as well.

* One strip references the vegan blogger Sonia Sae, who is famous for feeding a fennec fox a vegan diet and has recently come under fire for how thin her pet is. Several straw 'carnists' call Sae out on feeding said fox a diet that is completely unhealthy for a fox, to which Sterk responds by ''[[IAmAHumanitarian stuffing them into a meat grinder and feeding them to said fennec fox]]'', in order to make a point about their hypocrisy. The thing is, [[http://fennecfoxes.net/fennec-diet-and-health/ fennec foxes are significantly more carnivorous than humans]]. They get about ninety percent of the nutrients they need from meat and are physiologically incapable of surviving on a vegan diet. Even if humans can go vegan, many other animals are ''physically incapable of doing the same.''
* Weeb comments about how victims of the [[http://archive.li/cBfij Holocaust were treated like animals]]. [[FictionalCounterpart Sonia Sae]] says the reverse about how livestock are treated like the previously mentioned victims, and the nameless omnivore protests about her comparison being disrespectful. The narrative wants to present this as an example of hypocrisy towards the treatment of animals, but she had every right to be offended about the fact that Sonia trivialized past injustices in order to spread her agenda.

* The [[StrawCharacter "Weeb" omnivore]] points out how inconsistent the [[http://archive.li/v85SE vegan philosophy of "cause no harm" is]], by bringing up the fact that many products used in everyday life involves using animal parts or slave labor. George Martin dismisses this notion by stating that even if they can't prevent all harm, people should try to minimize "suffering" in one area. And in the end, "Weeb" is drawn in a dippy manner to portray her as being "willingly ignorant". However, that still didn't refute the fact that the vegan philosophy has many inconsistent stances on what it means to cause less suffering.
* Bongo asks Yerdian's FictionalCounterpart [[DoubleStandard why is it okay for animals to eat meat, but not humans]]. Her [[http://archive.li/DeyOh answer]] deflects by pointing out [[NatureIsNotNice unsavory things]] animals do that would be taboo if a person does it, and then screams that that is the same thing with people killing animals for meat. Even though the narrative treats as if her fictional self won the argument, it still stands that vegans' stance on eating meat is contradictory when it comes to animals, especially when they refuse to acknowledge that humans are naturally omnivores.
* [[http://archie.li/dkwfF In Pupa Vegan 348]], when Bongo's vegan counterpart states that animals can feel pain, fear, and don't want to be exploited or killed, Weeb is portrayed as immaturely whining about him humanizing them. However, her point is not wrong, since Bongo's doppelganger treats livestock as if they have a human understanding of what death is.
* "Weeb" [[http://archive.li/7jHdS in Pupa Vegan 337]] is treated as being an immature [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], whose criticisms of the vegans are just [[PsychologicalProjection baseless projections]] and [[AdHominem insults]]. Despite Rohit's rebuttals to her, the past behavior of [[DesignatedHero vegan]] characters like him actually support her statement, including the habit of forcing their beliefs on others and how easily offended they are. In addition, she is right about how their way of talking about veganism is pushy and can make people turn off from it.

* In [[http://archive.fo/0mtbh Pupa Vegan 567]], Bongo remarks that vegans act [[HolierThanThou judgmental and superior]] towards omnivores. [[PolarOppositeTwins his twin brother]] denies this and claims veganism is about treating others equally, while judging all life as being precious. He also states [[PsychologicalProjection that non-vegans are the ones who act superior and judgmental]], since they don't believe that animals are worthy of equal rights and kill them for food. At the end of it, Bongo is made to look like a [[StrawHypocrite hypocrite]], who spouts out some cliche strawman counterarguments. However, Bongo is one hundred percent right about how the [[AnimalWrongsGroup vegans]] act high and mighty towards non-vegans. In fact instead of helping his case, his brother's defense [[IResembleThatRemark actually demonstrates how self-righteous vegans like him can be]] when it comes to omnivores and treatment of plant life.

* In [[https://www.deviantart.com/pupaveg/art/610-The-problem-is-mass-production-772735130 Pupa Vegan Purple 610]], Bindiya makes a sound and informed point about mass production being the problem behind the abuses in animal agriculture, and not farming in itself.When she reaches this conclusion, [[PolarOppositeTwins Bongo]] expects her to give up eating animal products, but she [[IgnoredAesop rejects]] the notion and it's treated as an [[IgnoredEpiphany brushing off a moral realization]]. However, Bindiya is right to not entirely give up meat, since there are ways to ethically handle meat production.

* Shawn proclaims to Dolly that since vegans like her claim that [[http://archive.is/fwVry animals should be treated our equals then it makes it okay for us to eat meat]], due to the fact that some animals are carnivores. Dolly counters with [[http://archive.is/h9lgu four]] [[http://archive.is/qVQd1 reasons]] that are based on typical vegan talking points, and it ends on the notion that just because a species is different doesn't mean they should be treated badly, even if it's what they practice in nature. The problem is her reasoning doesn't work due to the fact that animals are [[BlueAndOrangeMorality not sapient beings who can grasp a human understanding of morality]], which would make it difficult for them to be elevated to the same status as humans. If they did have to elevate carnivores to their moral standards then they would have to question if eating meat is really barbaric, and in fact they're setting a specific [[DoubleStandard Double Standards]] on humans that they don't put on animals.

* Shawn loudly proclaims that vegans believe they are better than everybody, then [[http://badwebcomicswiki.shoutwiki.com/wiki/File:138ONLINE-vegansthinktheyarebetter.jpg tries to portray him as a hypocrite for saying humans are better than them and it's normal to use animals]]. He does make a strong point in his favor about the [[DesignatedHero vegans]] always believing themselves to be better than others, due to always proclaiming how morally superior veganism is and demeaning anyone has the opposite views of them. His other statement has just as much weight, due to the fact that its been normal for humans to use animals because they don't have the same level of sentience or understanding as us.

* Shawn justifies killing animals for food, due to them not being on the [[http://archive.is/ZEbuv same intellectual capability as humans]]. Dolly responds back by using an AdHominem, and asks if he has ever done anything of the things he mentioned animals can't do. He says then no to all of them, and the comic ends as if that should have won the argument. However, Shawn was right to point out how animals do not have the potential to do stuff that humans can, and it's a good reason not to put them on the same level of sentience as us.