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* How about an Alternate ''Sports'' History? For example, what if George Foreman beat Muhammad Ali at the Rumble in the Jungle? How would he have done it? Would Foreman have taunted Ali instead of the other way around? What if Cus D'Amato never died and kept Mike Tyson winning, never letting a man like Don King to corrupt him? What if Tom Brady helped Randy Moss score the game winning touchdown during the 2007 Superbowl, with the 2007 New England Patriots becoming the second football team to have a ''totally'' unbeaten record after the 1972 Miami Dolphins?

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* How about an Alternate ''Sports'' History? For example, what if George Foreman beat Muhammad Ali at the Rumble in the Jungle? How would he have done it? Would Foreman have taunted Ali instead of the other way around? What if Cus D'Amato never died and kept Mike Tyson winning, never letting a man like Don King to corrupt him? What if someone beat ''Creator/MannyPacquiao'' to the punch and became the first ever Octuple Division Champion, or beat Oscar De La Hoya to the punch and became the first ever Sextuple Division Champion? What if Tom Brady helped Randy Moss score the game winning touchdown during the 2007 Superbowl, with the 2007 New England Patriots becoming the second football team to have a ''totally'' unbeaten record after the 1972 Miami Dolphins?
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* How about an Alternate ''Sports'' History? For example, what if George Foreman beat Muhammad Ali at the Rumble in the Jungle? How would he have done it? Would Foreman have taunted Ali instead of the other way around? What if Cus D'Amato never died and kept Mike Tyson winning, never letting a man like Don King to corrupt him? What if Tom Brady helped Randy Moss score the game winning touchdown during the 2007 Superbowl, with the 2007 New England Patriots becoming the second football team to have a ''totally'' unbeaten record after the 1972 Miami Dolphins?
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ForWantOfANail is also quite important; we seem to enjoy imagining that drastic, world-spanning changes in history can result from tiny, seemingly insignificant events; as the poem that forms the title goes, an entire kingdom falls because a horseshoe isn't nailed in properly. It allows the reader to imagine that no matter how small their actions seem, they ultimately make a difference in determining how history is formed.

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ForWantOfANail ButterflyOfDoom is also quite important; we seem to enjoy imagining that drastic, world-spanning changes in history can result from tiny, seemingly insignificant events; as the poem that forms the title goes, an entire kingdom falls because a horseshoe isn't nailed in properly. It allows the reader to imagine that no matter how small their actions seem, they ultimately make a difference in determining how history is formed.



ForWantOfANail; as discussed above, the idea that small changes result in big effects on the time line is a very popular one.

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ForWantOfANail; ButterflyOfDoom; as discussed above, the idea that small changes result in big effects on the time line is a very popular one.
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The CretaceousIsAlwaysDoomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The CretaceousIsAlwaysDoomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The Cretaceous Is Always Doomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The Cretaceous Is Always Doomed CretaceousIsAlwaysDoomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The Cretaceous Is Always Doomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth?]] What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The Cretaceous Is Always Doomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth?]] earth]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[The Cretaceous Is Always Doomed the comet that killed the dinosaurs just passed by the earth?]] What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if, what if, what if...
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Also, a lot of the suggestions on this page have revolved around the 'history' side of things -- doing your research, coming up with plausible counterfactuals, ensuring your worldbuilding is solid, consistent and stands up to scrutiny, etc. All of these are incredibly important -- but always remember that it's possible to go too far into this aspect at the expense of other equally (if not more) important elements of the narrative. Unless you are focussing strictly on an academic-level counterfactual, remember than an Alternate History story is still a ''story'' (and even if you are writing academically, you still need to make your work interesting to read if you want it to gain wider notice beyond a very obscure journal somewhere). This means that you still need to put as much effort into telling an interesting narrative and creating interesting, engaging and relatable characters as goes into the intricacies of your timeline. At the end of the day, if the story and characters don't work it doesn't matter how complex and well-researched your timeline is, how many obscure historical personages you have rediscovered and recontextualised, and how inarguably plausible your timeline is; the reader won't care about any of that, because they'll simply get bored, stop reading, and go and do something else. As with any genre of fiction, even in Alternate History the worldbuilding exists to support the story, not the other way around; while it's important to do both well, the latter should always be the priority over the former. If it comes down to a choice between impeccable historical accuracy and telling a story that will actually engage the audience and for whatever reason you can't have both, then you should always always ''always'' choose what will work best for the story over the worldbuilding.
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if what if what if...

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]? What if if, what if if, what if...
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the planes missed the World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?
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I think we're perhaps over-egging the pudding in the intro a little here; we don't need a mention of every potential point of divergence, just a few will make the point clear. Getting rid of the Franz Ferdinand example especially, since (a) it's a little obscure and (b) if you need a note to point out that the supposed point of divergence isn't actually a thing anyway, then it's less than pointless to include it.


What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if there was no sandwich to distract Franz Ferdinand's assassin? [[note]] There actually was no sandwich. [[/note]] What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the plane missed the trade centre by a kilometre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis went a bit wrong in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real, and the Cold War got worse]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if there was no sandwich to distract Franz Ferdinand's assassin? [[note]] There actually was no sandwich. [[/note]] What if [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the plane planes missed the trade centre by a kilometre]]? World Trade Centre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis went a bit wrong the Cold War turned hot in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real, and the Cold War got worse]]? real]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if there was no sandwich to distract Franz Ferdinand's assassin? [[note]] There actually was no sandwich. [[/note]] What if [[Useful Notes / The War on Terror the plane missed the trade centre by a kilometre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis went a bit wrong in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real, and the Cold War got worse]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if there was no sandwich to distract Franz Ferdinand's assassin? [[note]] There actually was no sandwich. [[/note]] What if [[Useful Notes / The War on Terror [[UsefulNotes/TheWaronTerror the plane missed the trade centre by a kilometre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis went a bit wrong in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real, and the Cold War got worse]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?
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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if there was no sandwich to distract Franz Ferdinand's assassin? [[note]] There actually was no sandwich.[[/note]] What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis went a bit wrong in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real, and the Cold War got worse]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?

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What if [[GodwinsLawOfTimeTravel Hitler won]] [[DayOfTheJackboot the war]]? What if [[TheBadGuyWins the South triumphed]] in the UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar? What if there was no sandwich to distract Franz Ferdinand's assassin? [[note]] There actually was no sandwich. [[/note]] What if [[Useful Notes / The War on Terror the plane missed the trade centre by a kilometre]]? What if things [[UsefulNotes/CubanMissileCrisis went a bit wrong in October 1962]]? What if [[Comicbook/{{Watchmen}} superheroes were real, and the Cold War got worse]]? What if I [[Series/DoctorWho turned left instead of right at the traffic lights]]?
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* ''America: Imagine A World Without Her'' deserves a special mention of an Alternate History [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot that never actually follows up on its premise]]: [[NeverTrustATrailer the trailers and opening present it as what the world would look like had the United States been defeated at pivotal times]] (i.e. UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar), [[BaitAndSwitch except the film is actually a documentary about the controversial actions made in the country's history]]. [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Putting the actual content of the documentary aside]], it was criticized for breaking the promises made in the trailer and opening, and is a good example of how damaging misleading advertising can be in the long-term.

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* ''America: Imagine A World Without Her'' deserves a special mention of an Alternate History [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot that never actually follows up on its premise]]: [[NeverTrustATrailer the trailers and opening present it as what the world would look like had the United States been defeated at pivotal times]] (i.e. UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar), [[BaitAndSwitch except the film is actually a documentary about the controversial actions made in the country's history]]. [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Putting the actual content of the documentary aside]], aside, it was criticized for breaking the promises made in the trailer and opening, and is a good example of how damaging misleading advertising can be in the long-term.
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%%WordCruft%%* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as "What if the South Won the Civil War?", "What If JFK wasn't assassinated?" or "What if Dinosaurs had survived?". Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that Germany [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow it to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing and often unsuccessful rival programs. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts", none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the UK or the USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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%%WordCruft%%* %%Administrivia/WordCruft%%* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as "What if the South Won the Civil War?", "What If JFK wasn't assassinated?" or "What if Dinosaurs had survived?". Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that Germany [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow it to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing and often unsuccessful rival programs. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts", none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the UK or the USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.
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Try to avoid (or at least use with caution) AlternateHistoryWank, wherein the entire world seems to get taken over by two or three super-empires. While certain nations have managed to create empires which have spanned large amounts of territory and huge populations in RealLife, there is a tendency in Alternate History fiction to over-simplify just how easy, homogeneous and successful these empires manage to be and underestimate the various difficulties they face, such as the logistical headaches of managing an empire that spreads over a huge area of territory and the further headaches of managing the vast, varied population of said area.

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Try to avoid (or at least use with caution) AlternateHistoryWank, wherein the entire world seems to get taken over by [[SpaceFillingEmpire two or three super-empires.super-empires]]. While certain nations have managed to create empires which have spanned large amounts of territory and huge populations in RealLife, there is a tendency in Alternate History fiction to over-simplify just how easy, homogeneous and successful these empires manage to be and underestimate the various difficulties they face, such as the logistical headaches of managing an empire that spreads over a huge area of territory and the further headaches of managing the vast, varied population of said area.



InSpiteOfANail aside, it can be quite effective having historical figures appear in your story in drastically different contexts to demonstrate how the world is different; the aforementioned President Joe [=McCarthy=] for example, or used-car-salesman UsefulNotes/RichardNixon. Again, make sure that they're accurate and appropriate for the historical setting, and keep in mind what's credible; Roman Emperor [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Richardus Nixonus]] is possibly stretching things a bit too far.

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InSpiteOfANail aside, it can be quite effective having historical figures appear in your story in drastically different contexts to demonstrate how the world is different; the aforementioned President Joe [=McCarthy=] for example, or used-car-salesman UsefulNotes/RichardNixon.RichardNixonTheUsedCarSalesman. Again, make sure that they're accurate and appropriate for the historical setting, and keep in mind what's credible; Roman Emperor [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Richardus Nixonus]] is possibly stretching things a bit too far.



Of particular note here, however, is Harry Turtledove, the 'Master of Alternate History', who writes in this genre almost exclusively. Due to his prolific nature, however, Turtledove straddles both the greats ''and'' the epic fails; at his best he's a fine example of what to do well, at his worst, he's a sobering reminder of what can go wrong. Take note of his multi-volume series, however - ''Worldwar'', a sci-fi epic in which aliens invade during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and really muck things up, or ''Timeline-191'', a historical series focusing on the Confederacy winning the American Civil War, going through an alternate First World War ''and'' alternate Second World War as well; whilst at their best they're compelling reading, he's quite susceptible to AsYouKnow Syndrome as a result of the sheer complexity and length of such works.

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Of particular note here, however, is Harry Turtledove, Creator/HarryTurtledove, the 'Master of Alternate History', who writes in this genre almost exclusively. Due to his prolific nature, however, Turtledove straddles both the greats ''and'' the epic fails; at his best he's a fine example of what to do well, at his worst, he's a sobering reminder of what can go wrong. Take note of his multi-volume series, however - ''Worldwar'', ''Literature/{{Worldwar}}'', a sci-fi epic in which aliens invade during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and really muck things up, or ''Timeline-191'', ''Literature/Timeline191'', a historical series focusing on the Confederacy winning the American Civil War, going through an alternate First World War ''and'' alternate Second World War as well; whilst at their best they're compelling reading, he's quite susceptible to AsYouKnow Syndrome as a result of the sheer complexity and length of such works.



* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing and often unsuccessful rival programs. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the UK or the USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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* %%WordCruft%%* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What "What if the South Won the Civil War, What War?", "What If JFK wasn't assassinated assassinated?" or What "What if Dinosaurs had survived. survived?". Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it Germany [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow it to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing and often unsuccessful rival programs. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" "experts", none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the UK or the USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.
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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the UK or the USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing and often unsuccessful rival programs none of whom were successful.programs. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the UK or the USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.
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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane, so regardless if it were deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they Project. The Nazis also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true the U.S. would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. UK or the U.S.S.R. USSR would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.
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Conversely, InSpiteOfANail is also quite important; it's often easier for writers and readers to imagine how differently the world might have gone if they're able to see something that's familiar to them slightly altered, despite how unlikely it would be that this element would even exist in the Alternate History. It also enables commentary, satire and parody on the actual world, by framing notable figures, events and locations in different light. For example, ''[[Creator/HarryTurtledove The Two Georges]]'' features UsefulNotes/RichardNixon as [[RichardNixonTheUsedCarSalesman a used car salesman]] in a world where America never gained independence from Great Britain; despite it being very unlikely that Nixon would even have been born in this alternate world, his presence allows the reader to see how different things are and to gain both an insight into and commentary on Nixon himself.

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Conversely, InSpiteOfANail is also quite important; it's often easier for writers and readers to imagine how differently the world might have gone if they're able to see something that's familiar to them slightly altered, despite how unlikely it would be that this element would even exist in the Alternate History. It also enables commentary, satire and parody on the actual world, by framing notable figures, events and locations in different light. For example, ''[[Creator/HarryTurtledove The Two Georges]]'' features UsefulNotes/RichardNixon as [[RichardNixonTheUsedCarSalesman a used car salesman]] in a world where America never gained independence from Great Britain; despite it being very unlikely that Nixon would even have been born in this alternate world, world due to the numerous butterflies created by an averted American Revolution, his presence allows the reader to see how different things are and to gain both an insight into and commentary on Nixon himself.



* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' - an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane so regardless if it were deployed it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true there was just no way the U.S. was gonna surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' - is an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning and was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America. The Soviets and the Eastern Front go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane superplane, so regardless if it were deployed deployed, it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists. Simply put, there was no way Germany could ever make a functioning nuclear bomb not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true there was just no way the U.S. was gonna would simply not surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.
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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' - an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America first is the exclusion of the Soviets and the Russian Front even if the Nazis did win at D-Day the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had while it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane so regardless if it were deployed it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the facts that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists, simply put there was just no way Germany could ever make their nuclear bomb come true not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom have any historical experience or are historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true there was just no way the U.S. was gonna surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' - an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America first is the exclusion of the America. The Soviets and the Russian Eastern Front even go completely unmentioned. Even if the Nazis did win at D-Day D-Day, the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had while had. While it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane so regardless if it were deployed it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the facts fact that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists, simply put scientists. Simply put, there was just no way Germany could ever make their a functioning nuclear bomb come true not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom have any historical experience or are actual historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true there was just no way the U.S. was gonna surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.
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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' - an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win UsefulNotes/DDay but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America first is the exclusion of the Soviets and the Russian Front even if the Nazis did win at D-Day the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had while it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane so regardless if it were deployed it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the facts that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists, simply put there was just no way Germany could ever make their nuclear bomb come true not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom have any historical experience or are historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true there was just no way the U.S. was gonna surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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* ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' - an infamous example here among many fans of the alternate history genre. The first episode was about the oft-covered subject of the Nazis winning was intended to kickstart a series about alternate history scenarios along with such extensively written scenarios as What if the South Won the Civil War, What If JFK wasn't assassinated or What if Dinosaurs had survived. Where to even begin with? First is the POD which is that wait for it [[StupidJetpackHitler gets technologically advanced aircraft, weapons and eventually the atomic bomb]] that allow to not only win UsefulNotes/DDay D-Day but also use a U-Boat to carry a nuke that destroys both UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity and UsefulNotes/{{Boston}} thus somehow winning UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Putting aside this, there is so much wrong with how they portray a Nazi victory/conquest of America first is the exclusion of the Soviets and the Russian Front even if the Nazis did win at D-Day the war was already lost in 1944 with millions of Red Army troops near the borders of Germany. Second is the Me-262 fighter allowing the Germans to win D-Day which completely ignores the aerial superiority the Allies already had while it's true that the Me-262 did have some advantages over other propellor-based fighters it was no superplane so regardless if it were deployed it would have made little difference. Third, is that Germany's nuclear program was hampered by the facts that numerous German scientists (many of whom were Jewish) fled the country and ultimately helped the Americans in The Manhattan Project and they also clung to a pseudoscientific movement called ''Deutsche Physik'' which rejected any and all scientific breakthroughs or theories made by Jewish scientists, simply put there was just no way Germany could ever make their nuclear bomb come true not helped by the self-sabotage or the various competing rival programs none of whom were successful. Then the show throws at us laughable stock footage of Hitler being in Hollywood or at Yankee Stadium as well as "experts" none of whom have any historical experience or are historians. Even if all of what ''Spike TV's Alternate History'' did come true there was just no way the U.S. was gonna surrender even with nukes to two cities as any and all attempts at controlling the country as well as the U.K. or the U.S.S.R. would be very hard and probably very costly to do. Website/AlternateHistoryDotCom, Matt Mitrovich's Alternate History Weekly Update and one German [=YouTuber=] named [=WireDragoon=] have all criticized the episode and pointed the common mistakes and errors it commits.

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