Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 144,147 (click to see context) from:
** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, both have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, both being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.
** Both lose an important woman in their life (Mark's sister, Angie, and Logan's wife, Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping justice for their death, and wind up manipulating the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's military file is of any indication, both men seemed to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice as a new coping mechanism.)
** Both use their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene work as a means of manipulating evidence, turning attention away from themselves, and even framing other people for their crimes outright.
** Both even wind up being responsible for John's eventual death, in their own ways. Logan inadvertantly mixes up John's head x-ray with another patient's while working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates the people involved in Jeff's trap in ''Saw III'' in order to ensure that both John and Amanda would wind up dead and he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.
** Both lose an important woman in their life (Mark's sister, Angie, and Logan's wife, Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping justice for their death, and wind up manipulating the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's military file is of any indication, both men seemed to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice as a new coping mechanism.)
** Both use their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene work as a means of manipulating evidence, turning attention away from themselves, and even framing other people for their crimes outright.
** Both even wind up being responsible for John's eventual death, in their own ways. Logan inadvertantly mixes up John's head x-ray with another patient's while working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates the people involved in Jeff's trap in ''Saw III'' in order to ensure that both John and Amanda would wind up dead and he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.
to:
** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, both have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a medical examiner and former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, both being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.
usage.
** Bothlose an lost a female relative important woman in to their life (Mark's sister, Angie, (Hoffman's sister Angelina, and Logan's wife, wife Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping escaped justice for their death, and wind up manipulating then manipulated the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's his military file is of any indication, both men seemed and much like Hoffman's explicitly-shown case, Logan also seems to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice of John as a new coping mechanism.)
mechanism.
** Bothuse take advantage of their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene crime scene work as a means of manipulating to manipulate evidence, turning turn attention away from themselves, and even framing frame other people for their crimes outright.
**Both even wind up being responsible for Each of them has a role in causing John's eventual death, in their own ways. death. John's inability to get his cancer treated was caused by Logan inadvertantly mixes inadvertently mixing up John's head x-ray with another patient's while he was working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, intern of the Angel of Mercy Hospital, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates manipulated the people involved in Jeff's trap in events at the Gideon Meatpacking Plant across ''Saw III'' in order and ''IV'' to ensure that get both John and Amanda would wind up dead and killed, so he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.
** Both
** Both
**
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
-->''"Out of all the men to cheat, you picked ''John Kramer''? I mean... I'd call that... epic bad luck."''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 86 (click to see context) from:
* DrowningMySorrows: One of the flashbacks in ''Film/SawV'' features him drinking alcoholic drinks at a bar to emphasize his depression at the moment. It's implied in flashbacks taking place at similar points in ''Film/Saw3D'' that this ended up boiling into alcoholism, hence Hoffman's unusual open violence towards criminals while on his police job.
to:
* DrowningMySorrows: One of the flashbacks in ''Film/SawV'' features him drinking alcoholic drinks at a bar to emphasize his depression at the moment. moment, a detail commented by John at the same time on voice-over. It's implied in flashbacks taking place at similar points in ''Film/Saw3D'' that this ended up boiling into alcoholism, hence Hoffman's unusual open violence towards criminals while on his police job.job.
-->'''John:''' You sit in bars until closing, you drink so you can sleep, you stagger to your car so you can start it all over again the next day...
-->'''John:''' You sit in bars until closing, you drink so you can sleep, you stagger to your car so you can start it all over again the next day...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 205 (click to see context) from:
-->''"[[OhCrap What do you think you're doing? What the fuck do you think you're doing?!]] Huh?! No! You can't fucking do this to me! Fuck you! No! '''NO!'''"''
to:
-->''"[[OhCrap What do you think you're doing? What the fuck do you think you're doing?!]] Huh?! No! You can't fucking do this to me! Fuck you! No! '''NO!'''"'''''NO!!'''"''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 205 (click to see context) from:
-->''"What do you think you're doing? What the fuck do you think you're doing?! Huh?! No! You can't fucking do this to me! Fuck you! No! NO!"''
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 59 (click to see context) from:
'''Hoffman:''' You're sure about that?
to:
'''Hoffman:''' You're sure about that?that? ''[turns to John]'' Amanda will fail you.\\
'''John:''' We'll see...
'''John:''' We'll see...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
-->'''John:''' Vengeance can change a person, make you into something you never thought you were capable of being. But unlike you, I've never killed anyone. I give people a chance.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s)
Changed line(s) 51 (click to see context) from:
* TheCameo: Makes an appearance in TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', helping John trap one of his victims.
to:
* TheCameo: Makes As confirmation of his much-teased return to the franchise since ''Saw 3D'' until then, Hoffman makes an appearance in TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', helping John wherein he sets up Henry's trap (though it's also implied that he was the one of his victims.who kidnapped Cecilia earlier in the film).
Changed line(s) 94 (click to see context) from:
* EvilHasABadSenseOfHumor: In TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', he rather cruelly tells Kessler that he'd call Kessler's group's choice of scamming John "epic bad luck".
to:
* EvilHasABadSenseOfHumor: In TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', he rather cruelly tells Kessler Henry that he'd call Kessler's his group's choice of scamming John "epic bad luck".
Added DiffLines:
** During the capture montage of ''Film/SawX'', Amanda isn't explicitly shown as the Pig Mask on Cecilia's roof, possibly alluding to Hoffman's presence before his revealing appearance in TheStinger.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 154 (click to see context) from:
* ObfuscatingStupidity: Zigzagged. Hoffman comes off at first as poorly spoken and unintelligent, almost a CluelessDetective in ''Saw IV'' compared to the much brighter Agent Strahm. Of course, the reveal that he's an accomplice does show he's quite capable of using police resources and covering his tracks, but as the movies go on, Hoffman's shown as ultimately not a schemer. His flawed methodology is taken apart on analysis by both John and Erickson and he gets by more with his willpower and brutality instead of his brains and planning.
to:
* ObfuscatingStupidity: Zigzagged.Zig-zagged. Hoffman comes off at first as poorly spoken and unintelligent, almost a CluelessDetective in ''Saw IV'' compared to the much brighter Agent Strahm. Of course, the reveal that he's an accomplice does show he's quite capable of using police resources and covering his tracks, but as the movies go on, Hoffman's shown as ultimately not a schemer. His flawed methodology is taken apart on analysis by both John and Erickson Erickson, and he gets by more with his willpower and brutality instead of his brains and planning.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 32 (click to see context) from:
* ArcWords: "Right now, you're feeling helpless." While not a CatchPhrase of his, as he says it only once in the Pendulum Trap's tape, but it's particularly emphasized between ''Saw V'' and ''VI''as Hoffman descends further and further into villainy; in the latter, it plays on a progressively ominous-sounding BrokenRecord basis during a voice recognition process at the FBI's tech lab during the climax, setting the tone for Hoffman's brutal CurbStompBattle and subsequent slaughter of the agents once he's discovered.
to:
* ArcWords: "Right now, you're feeling helpless." While not a CatchPhrase of his, as he says it only once in the Pendulum Trap's tape, but it's particularly emphasized between ''Saw V'' and ''VI''as ''VI'' as Hoffman descends further and further into villainy; in the latter, it plays on a progressively ominous-sounding BrokenRecord basis during a voice recognition process at the FBI's tech lab during the climax, setting the tone for Hoffman's brutal CurbStompBattle and subsequent slaughter of the agents once he's discovered.
* BirdsOfAFeather: Both Hoffman and John were ostensibly average joes until the death of a loved one changed them for the worse. Like John, Hoffman's first victim was the man responsible for said loved one's death.
* HeroKiller: He kills or causes the deaths of several heroic characters, such as Strahm, Perez, and Erickson.
Changed line(s) 150 (click to see context) from:
** It's strongly implied in the flashbacks from ''Saw V'' that Hoffman had a long-term breakdown after being informed of his sister's death and seeing her corpse in person, given that the scenes set after this show him [[DrowningMySorrows as little more than a drunken mess]] and it's the thing that provokes his descent into misanthropy and vengance-fueled killing.
to:
** It's strongly implied in the flashbacks from ''Saw V'' that Hoffman had a long-term breakdown after being informed of his sister's death and seeing her corpse in person, given that the scenes set after this show him [[DrowningMySorrows as little more than a drunken mess]] and it's the thing that provokes his descent into misanthropy and vengance-fueled vengeance-fueled killing.
Added DiffLines:
* ObfuscatingStupidity: Zigzagged. Hoffman comes off at first as poorly spoken and unintelligent, almost a CluelessDetective in ''Saw IV'' compared to the much brighter Agent Strahm. Of course, the reveal that he's an accomplice does show he's quite capable of using police resources and covering his tracks, but as the movies go on, Hoffman's shown as ultimately not a schemer. His flawed methodology is taken apart on analysis by both John and Erickson and he gets by more with his willpower and brutality instead of his brains and planning.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 183,185 (click to see context) :
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite being in John's inner circle, Hoffman is never friendly or devoted to him the way that the other apprentices are.
** John's interactions with Hoffman are never warm (like John's are with Amanda) and Hoffman never seems to forget that they only met and worked together because John kidnapped and blackmailed him. He ultimately chooses to do the games more for his own sadism, rather than believing John's philosophy. Though Hoffman did respect John enough to closely follow John's instructions regarding the games after his death.
** Hoffman and Amanda can barely stand to be around each other. It's implied Amanda was threatened by Hoffman as competition for John's approval and affections (something that Hoffman never seemed to seek out), and Hoffman mostly saw Amanda as a pathetic self-harming junkie. This is probably a major reason why Hoffman sabotages Amanda's game.
** John's interactions with Hoffman are never warm (like John's are with Amanda) and Hoffman never seems to forget that they only met and worked together because John kidnapped and blackmailed him. He ultimately chooses to do the games more for his own sadism, rather than believing John's philosophy. Though Hoffman did respect John enough to closely follow John's instructions regarding the games after his death.
** Hoffman and Amanda can barely stand to be around each other. It's implied Amanda was threatened by Hoffman as competition for John's approval and affections (something that Hoffman never seemed to seek out), and Hoffman mostly saw Amanda as a pathetic self-harming junkie. This is probably a major reason why Hoffman sabotages Amanda's game.
Added DiffLines:
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite being the most experienced and competent member of John's inner circle, Hoffman is never friendly or devoted to him the way that the other apprentices are.
** John's interactions with Hoffman are never warm (like John's are with Amanda), and Hoffman never seems to forget that they only met and worked together because John kidnapped and blackmailed him. After deliberately causing John's death via indirect means during the events of ''Saw III'' and ''IV'', he ultimately chooses to set up and execute John's remaining planned games for his own sadism, rather than because he believed in John's philosophy. Hoffman does appear to be respectful enough to closely follow the instructions John had posthumously left him for said games, though.
** Hoffman and Amanda can barely stand to be around each other. It's strongly implied Amanda felt threatened by Hoffman as competition for John's approval and/or affection (something that Hoffman never seemed to seek out), and Hoffman merely saw Amanda as a pathetic self-harming junkie. This is probably a major reason why Hoffman sabotages Amanda's SecretTestOfCharacter in ''III''.
** John's interactions with Hoffman are never warm (like John's are with Amanda), and Hoffman never seems to forget that they only met and worked together because John kidnapped and blackmailed him. After deliberately causing John's death via indirect means during the events of ''Saw III'' and ''IV'', he ultimately chooses to set up and execute John's remaining planned games for his own sadism, rather than because he believed in John's philosophy. Hoffman does appear to be respectful enough to closely follow the instructions John had posthumously left him for said games, though.
** Hoffman and Amanda can barely stand to be around each other. It's strongly implied Amanda felt threatened by Hoffman as competition for John's approval and/or affection (something that Hoffman never seemed to seek out), and Hoffman merely saw Amanda as a pathetic self-harming junkie. This is probably a major reason why Hoffman sabotages Amanda's SecretTestOfCharacter in ''III''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 196 (click to see context) from:
* UncertainDoom: Whether Hoffman perished from Lawrence imprisoning him is currently left in the air. Although [[invoked]]WordOfGod in ''Saw 3D''[='s=] DVDCommentary indicated he died (and that Gordon removed any means Hoffman could have taken advantage of to free himself, like the toilet lid Eric Matthews used to smash his foot in ''Saw III''), Costas Mandylor was asked to reprise his role, but this was put on hold with changes to developmental plans for future installments in the series. Since the release of ''Spiral'', Darren Lynn Bousman claimed that there are discussions to bring back Hoffman for a later movie. He comes back in ''X'', which is an {{Interquel}}.
to:
* UncertainDoom: Whether Hoffman perished from Lawrence imprisoning him is currently left in the air. Although [[invoked]]WordOfGod in ''Saw 3D''[='s=] DVDCommentary indicated he died (and that Gordon removed any means Hoffman could have taken advantage of to free himself, like the toilet lid Eric Matthews used to smash his foot in ''Saw III''), Costas Mandylor was asked to reprise his role, but this was put on hold with changes to developmental plans for future installments in the series. Since After the release of ''Spiral'', Darren Lynn Bousman claimed that there are were discussions to bring back Hoffman for a later movie. He comes back Eventually, Hoffman made his first appearance since ''3D'' in ''X'', which is an {{Interquel}}.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* LastNameBasis: He's referred to as Hoffman by almost everyone, and very rarely do people use his first name. One notable time he was referred to as Mark was when John asked him if he likes how brutality feels in a flashback from ''Film/SawVI''.
Changed line(s) 170 (click to see context) from:
* SerratedBladeOfPain: A serrated knife. It's the tool he uses to cut out jigsaw puzzle pieces from dead victims in the traps that he sets up (in contrast to John's more professional scalpel), and his primary weapon for direct murders. Dr. Adam Heffner takes notice of the former case in ''Saw VI'' because of the resulting skin abrasions around the pieces, in comparison to the neater borders of those cut with John's scalpel.
to:
* SerratedBladeOfPain: A serrated knife. It's the tool he uses to cut out jigsaw puzzle pieces from dead victims in the traps that he sets up (in contrast to John's more professional scalpel), and his primary weapon for direct murders. Dr. Adam Heffner takes notice of the former case in ''Saw VI'' because of the resulting skin abrasions around the pieces, in comparison to the neater borders of those cut with John's scalpel. It's also his hidden weapon.
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite being in John's inner circle, Hoffman is never friendly or devoted to him the way that the other apprentices are.
** John's interactions with Hoffman are never warm (like John's are with Amanda) and Hoffman never seems to forget that they only met and worked together because John kidnapped and blackmailed him. He ultimately chooses to do the games more for his own sadism, rather than believing John's philosophy. Though Hoffman did respect John enough to closely follow John's instructions regarding the games after his death.
** Hoffman and Amanda can barely stand to be around each other. It's implied Amanda was threatened by Hoffman as competition for John's approval and affections (something that Hoffman never seemed to seek out), and Hoffman mostly saw Amanda as a pathetic self-harming junkie. This is probably a major reason why Hoffman sabotages Amanda's game.
** John's interactions with Hoffman are never warm (like John's are with Amanda) and Hoffman never seems to forget that they only met and worked together because John kidnapped and blackmailed him. He ultimately chooses to do the games more for his own sadism, rather than believing John's philosophy. Though Hoffman did respect John enough to closely follow John's instructions regarding the games after his death.
** Hoffman and Amanda can barely stand to be around each other. It's implied Amanda was threatened by Hoffman as competition for John's approval and affections (something that Hoffman never seemed to seek out), and Hoffman mostly saw Amanda as a pathetic self-harming junkie. This is probably a major reason why Hoffman sabotages Amanda's game.
Changed line(s) 188 (click to see context) from:
* TookALevelInBadass: Over the course of ''Saw VI'', twice, and both at times when it seems like he's going down in defeat.
to:
* TookALevelInBadass: Over the course of ''Saw VI'', twice, and both at times when it seems like he's going down in defeat. And then even moreso in ''3D''.
Changed line(s) 191,193 (click to see context) from:
** This gets exaggerated in ''Saw 3D'' where Hoffman is on the run from police, finds time to set up traps, and performs very complex plans on his own. This culminates with him assaulting a police station and killing over a dozen police officers like he's [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} The Terminator]]. He succeeds without getting meaningfully hurt and only gets captured later by Dr. Gordon. ''3D'' turns from a serial killer trying to keep his head down to a full-on supervillain, like the type seen in action thriller movies.
* UncertainDoom: Whether Hoffman perished from Lawrence imprisoning him is currently left in the air. Although [[invoked]]WordOfGod in ''Saw 3D''[='s=] DVDCommentary indicated he died (and that Gordon removed any means Hoffman could have taken advantage of to free himself, like the toilet lid Eric Matthews used to smash his foot in ''Saw III''), Costas Mandylor was asked to reprise his role, but this was put on hold with changes to developmental plans for future installments in the series. Since the release of ''Spiral'', Darren Lynn Bousman claimed that there are discussions to bring back Hoffman for a later movie.
* VilerNewVillain: While he's not necessarily introduced as such, Hoffman is progressively shown to be a much more immoral and dangerous BigBad than John, as well as later killers and copycats, being one of the very few who directly murders people without using death traps. He eventually becomes an absolute sociopath with his VillainousBreakdown throughout ''Saw 3D''.
* UncertainDoom: Whether Hoffman perished from Lawrence imprisoning him is currently left in the air. Although [[invoked]]WordOfGod in ''Saw 3D''[='s=] DVDCommentary indicated he died (and that Gordon removed any means Hoffman could have taken advantage of to free himself, like the toilet lid Eric Matthews used to smash his foot in ''Saw III''), Costas Mandylor was asked to reprise his role, but this was put on hold with changes to developmental plans for future installments in the series. Since the release of ''Spiral'', Darren Lynn Bousman claimed that there are discussions to bring back Hoffman for a later movie.
* VilerNewVillain: While he's not necessarily introduced as such, Hoffman is progressively shown to be a much more immoral and dangerous BigBad than John, as well as later killers and copycats, being one of the very few who directly murders people without using death traps. He eventually becomes an absolute sociopath with his VillainousBreakdown throughout ''Saw 3D''.
to:
** This gets exaggerated in ''Saw 3D'' where Hoffman is on the run from police, finds time to set up traps, and performs very complex plans on his own. This culminates with him assaulting a police station and killing over a dozen police officers like he's [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} The Terminator]]. He succeeds without getting meaningfully hurt and only gets captured later by Dr. Gordon. ''3D'' turns him from a serial killer trying to keep his head down to a full-on supervillain, like the type seen in action thriller movies.
* UncertainDoom: Whether Hoffman perished from Lawrence imprisoning him is currently left in the air. Although [[invoked]]WordOfGod in ''Saw 3D''[='s=] DVDCommentary indicated he died (and that Gordon removed any means Hoffman could have taken advantage of to free himself, like the toilet lid Eric Matthews used to smash his foot in ''Saw III''), Costas Mandylor was asked to reprise his role, but this was put on hold with changes to developmental plans for future installments in the series. Since the release of ''Spiral'', Darren Lynn Bousman claimed that there are discussions to bring back Hoffman for a latermovie.
movie. He comes back in ''X'', which is an {{Interquel}}.
* VilerNewVillain: While he's not necessarily introduced as such, Hoffman is progressively shown to be a much more immoral and dangerous BigBad thanJohn, as well as John (and even later killers and copycats, copycats), being one of the very few who directly murders people without using death traps. He eventually becomes an absolute sociopath with his VillainousBreakdown throughout ''Saw 3D''.
* UncertainDoom: Whether Hoffman perished from Lawrence imprisoning him is currently left in the air. Although [[invoked]]WordOfGod in ''Saw 3D''[='s=] DVDCommentary indicated he died (and that Gordon removed any means Hoffman could have taken advantage of to free himself, like the toilet lid Eric Matthews used to smash his foot in ''Saw III''), Costas Mandylor was asked to reprise his role, but this was put on hold with changes to developmental plans for future installments in the series. Since the release of ''Spiral'', Darren Lynn Bousman claimed that there are discussions to bring back Hoffman for a later
* VilerNewVillain: While he's not necessarily introduced as such, Hoffman is progressively shown to be a much more immoral and dangerous BigBad than
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 7,9 (click to see context) from:
[[quoteright:245:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/saw_mark_hoffman-w350-h350_5486.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:245:''"Right now, you are feeling helpless."'']]
[[caption-width-right:245:''"Right now, you are feeling helpless."'']]
to:
[[caption-width-right:245:''"Right
[[caption-width-right:746:''"Right now,
Changed line(s) 32 (click to see context) from:
* ArcWords: "Right now, you are feeling helpless." While not a {{Catchphrase}} of his, as he says it only once in the Pendulum Trap's tape, but it's particularly emphasized between ''Saw V'' and ''VI''; in the latter, it plays on a progressively ominous-sounding BrokenRecord basis during a voice recognition process at the FBI's tech lab, as a precedent to the short killing spree Hoffman commits there.
to:
* ArcWords: "Right now, you are you're feeling helpless." While not a {{Catchphrase}} CatchPhrase of his, as he says it only once in the Pendulum Trap's tape, but it's particularly emphasized between ''Saw V'' and ''VI''; ''VI''as Hoffman descends further and further into villainy; in the latter, it plays on a progressively ominous-sounding BrokenRecord basis during a voice recognition process at the FBI's tech lab, as a precedent to lab during the short killing spree Hoffman commits there.climax, setting the tone for Hoffman's brutal CurbStompBattle and subsequent slaughter of the agents once he's discovered.
Changed line(s) 35,37 (click to see context) from:
* AtLeastIAdmitIt: Hoffman admits to enjoying seeing people suffer in their traps, and in a flashback in ''Saw VI'' set shortly before the events of ''III'', he angrily snaps at John to stop pretending he doesn't.
-->'''John:''' ''(after seeing Hoffman forcibly throw an unconscious Timothy out of a wheelbarrow)'' That's a human being. Do you like how brutality feels, Mark?\\
'''Hoffman:''' Let's be honest. You want him to suffer just as much as I do.
-->'''John:''' ''(after seeing Hoffman forcibly throw an unconscious Timothy out of a wheelbarrow)'' That's a human being. Do you like how brutality feels, Mark?\\
'''Hoffman:''' Let's be honest. You want him to suffer just as much as I do.
to:
* AtLeastIAdmitIt: Hoffman admits to enjoying seeing people suffer in their traps, traps when he feels they deserve to be in them for what they've done, and in a flashback in ''Saw VI'' set shortly before the events of ''III'', he angrily bitterly snaps at John (who forced Hoffman to join him in his work) to stop pretending that he doesn't.
-->'''John:''' ''(after seeing Hoffmanforcibly uncaringly throw an unconscious Timothy out of a wheelbarrow)'' That's a human being. Do you like how brutality feels, Mark?\\
'''Hoffman:'''Mark?
-->'''Hoffman:''' Let's be honest. You want him to suffer just as much as I do.
-->'''John:''' ''(after seeing Hoffman
'''Hoffman:'''
-->'''Hoffman:''' Let's be honest. You want him to suffer just as much as I do.
Changed line(s) 39 (click to see context) from:
* BastardUnderstudy: He firmly took part in the Jigsaw philosophy when John was alive, but didn't actually care about changing people, which he demonstrates by his diversity of reasons to set up games or murder people following John's death, many of which are out of vengeance, pettiness, done just because, or simply to get something he needs for his schemes.
to:
* BastardUnderstudy: He firmly took part in the Jigsaw philosophy when John was alive, but having been forced into it under threat of death if he didn't actually comply, and predictably enough, didn't particularly care about changing people, which people once John was no longer there to nip at his heels about it to make sure that he demonstrates went along with it. After John dies, Hoffman continues the Jigsaw murders by his diversity of reasons to set up games or murder people following own standards whenever possible, only going by John's death, many of which are philosophy when he is carrying out of vengeance, pettiness, done just because, or simply plans that John already set in motion. He doesn't seem to get something he needs for rig his schemes.traps like Amanda had previously, but they tend to be far more difficult and far more brutal, primarily focused on eliminating people that violate his own code of ethics, and require much more luck on the subject's part to escape.
Changed line(s) 43 (click to see context) from:
* BigBad: After John's death in ''Saw III'', he became the Big Bad from ''Saw IV'' to ''3D'' (totalling to four films, which was one more than the films where John had the role within the first seven movies before ''Saw X'' balanced the number with John regaining the role). However, it took a couple of films to solidify Hoffman as a legit threat.
to:
* BigBad: After John's death in ''Saw III'', he became the Big Bad from ''Saw IV'' to ''3D'' (totalling (totaling to four films, which was one more than the films where John had the role within the first seven movies before ''Saw X'' balanced the number with John regaining the role). However, it took a couple of films to solidify Hoffman as a legit threat.an actual threat, with ''Saw VI'' being commonly accepted as when he fully TookALevelInBadass.
Changed line(s) 52 (click to see context) from:
* CoDragons: With Amanda before her death, though she didn't like his presence. The feeling is mutual with Hoffman.
to:
* CoDragons: With Amanda before her death, though she didn't like his presence. The feeling is mutual with Hoffman.seems to be very much mutual.
Changed line(s) 59 (click to see context) from:
* CombatPragmatist: During the voice interrogation scene in ''Saw VI'' whilst his tape is being decoded by Sachi under the supervision of Agents Erickson and Perez, Hoffman, on edge walks around the room, observing his surroundings alongside the tape. After the tape is fully decoded to reveal him as Jigsaw all along, Hoffman quickly uses the environment, as well as swiftly slitting Erickson's throat to cause chaos, immediately throwing a hot coffee onto Perez's face, causing a blackout, and using Sachi as a HumanShield by the time Perez recovers to use a pistol. Upon disposing of Sachi's corpse and taking advantage of Perez running out of ammo, Hoffman quickly lunges onto her, gutting Perez several times.
to:
* CombatPragmatist: During the voice interrogation scene in ''Saw VI'' whilst his tape is being decoded by Sachi under the supervision of Agents Erickson and Perez, Hoffman, visibly on edge edge, walks around the room, observing his surroundings alongside as the tape. other agents pay attention to Sachi's progress. After the tape is fully decoded to reveal him as a Jigsaw apprentice all along, Hoffman quickly uses the environment, as well as environment to his advantage, swiftly slitting Erickson's throat to cause chaos, immediately throwing a hot coffee onto Perez's face, causing a blackout, face before she can fire upon him, cutting the power to the outpost to turn out the lights and lessen his visibility, and using Sachi as a HumanShield by the time Perez recovers to use a pistol. Upon disposing of Sachi's corpse and taking advantage of Perez running out of ammo, Hoffman quickly lunges onto her, gutting stabbing Perez viciously several times.times before she can shoot him.
Changed line(s) 62,63 (click to see context) from:
* CrazyPrepared: [[DownplayedTrope Not as much as John]], as he relies more on [[XanatosSpeedChess acting]] than preparation, but he carries at least a hidden weapon whenever he goes to unconvenient spaces/situations where he could be attacked and/or prosecuted, coupled with a stopwatch ticking until some danger pops up on him. It pays off in ''Saw VI'' when he's almost apprehended at the FBI's local technical lab.
* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass: Downplayed. Whenever he's talking to others onscreen, he tends to come off as not the brightest bulb among the Jigsaw killers and investigators alike (whether he's ObfuscatingStupidity or not is up for debate). However, he has an honored reputation within the Metropolitan Police Department for being a very successful officer, and he manages to accomplish numerous tasks nobody else was able to do throughout the movies. These include:
* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass: Downplayed. Whenever he's talking to others onscreen, he tends to come off as not the brightest bulb among the Jigsaw killers and investigators alike (whether he's ObfuscatingStupidity or not is up for debate). However, he has an honored reputation within the Metropolitan Police Department for being a very successful officer, and he manages to accomplish numerous tasks nobody else was able to do throughout the movies. These include:
to:
* CrazyPrepared: [[DownplayedTrope Not as much as John]], as he relies more on [[XanatosSpeedChess acting]] than preparation, but he carries at least a hidden weapon whenever he goes to unconvenient spaces/situations in just about any scenerio where he could be attacked and/or prosecuted, coupled with a stopwatch ticking until some danger pops up on him. things have the potential to go awry. It pays off in ''Saw VI'' when he's almost apprehended at the FBI's local technical lab.
lab, and is able to slit Erickson's throat and slaughter the rest before they can do anything to stop him.
* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass: Downplayed. Whenever he's talking to others onscreen, he tends to come off as not the brightest bulb among the Jigsaw killers and investigators alike (whether he's using ObfuscatingStupidity or not is upfor debate).to the viewer). However, he has an honored reputation within the Metropolitan Police Department for being a very successful officer, and he manages to accomplish numerous tasks nobody else was able to do throughout the movies. These include:
* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass: Downplayed. Whenever he's talking to others onscreen, he tends to come off as not the brightest bulb among the Jigsaw killers and investigators alike (whether he's using ObfuscatingStupidity or not is up
Changed line(s) 65,66 (click to see context) from:
** Killing two FBI agents integral to the case with nothing more than a knife, a cup of hot coffee and another employee as a HumanShield.
** Escaping an improved version of the Reverse Bear Trap that was rigged by Jill.
** Escaping an improved version of the Reverse Bear Trap that was rigged by Jill.
to:
** Killing two FBI agents integral to the case with nothing more than a hidden knife, a cup of hot coffee and another employee as a HumanShield.
** Escaping an improved version of the Reverse Bear Trap that was rigged byJill.Jill to execute him, with only a broken hand and a wound on his cheek from a device designed to literally ''rip his head completely open.''
** Escaping an improved version of the Reverse Bear Trap that was rigged by
Changed line(s) 82 (click to see context) from:
* DragonAscendant: After John and Amanda's deaths.
to:
* DragonAscendant: After John and Amanda's deaths.deaths, he continues the Jigsaw killings.
Changed line(s) 91 (click to see context) from:
** He hates racist skinhead gangs. The Horsepower Trap barely looks survivable at all, and Kara is tied up with barbed wire when chains would have been perfectly fine, as the rest of the skinheads had them as restraints that were just as effective.
to:
** He never talks about it, but he hates racist criminals. This is best shown with the targets he chooses on his own (that he isn't directed to target by John), the skinhead gangs. gang and his sister's murderous ex boyfriend, Seth (who has white supremacist tattoos). The Pendulum Trap was completely inescapable and The Horsepower Trap barely looks survivable at all, and Kara is tied up with barbed wire when chains would have been perfectly fine, as the rest of the skinheads had them as restraints that were just as effective.
* EvilSoundsRaspy: His default tone whenever he's not speaking with strong emotion is a raspy growl.
Changed line(s) 108 (click to see context) from:
** In the same film, in the last shot of Hoffman before he's first seen in the Ice Block Trap, an almost-obscure pig mask can be seen hanging on a wall in the dark background. This is the same mask he wore while subduing Rigg in the previous scene beforehand, subtly giving away the identity of Rigg's abductor.
to:
** In the same film, in the last shot of Hoffman before he's first seen in the Ice Block Trap, an almost-obscure pig mask can be seen hanging on a wall in the dark background. This is the same mask he wore while subduing Rigg in the previous scene beforehand, subtly giving away the identity of Rigg's abductor. Hoffman being "kidnapped" is him making a call and the camera focusing to the Pig Mask in the back, which at a glance makes it look like someone wearing the mask is standing in the dark, and followed by a frightening zoom editing effect on the mask. The audience never sees someone grab or jump Hoffman.
Changed line(s) 110 (click to see context) from:
* FreudianExcuse: His sister, who was his only remaining family, was brutally murdered by Seth Baxter. After this, Hoffman degraded into an anti-social drunken mess until he recovered and then decided to murder Seth in a mock Jigsaw game. John took notice of this and blackmailed Hoffman into becoming his accomplice, leading Hoffman's life down a further downward spiral.
to:
* FreudianExcuse: His sister, who was his only remaining family, was brutally murdered by her boyfriend, Seth Baxter. Baxter, who got off on a technicality and served barely any time in prison for it. After this, Hoffman degraded into an anti-social antisocial, drunken mess mess, until he recovered and then decided was given purpose by his decision to murder Seth in revenge via a mock Jigsaw game. John took notice of this and blackmailed Hoffman into becoming his accomplice, leading Hoffman's life down a further downward spiral.
Deleted line(s) 114 (click to see context) :
* GutturalGrowler: His default voice tone whenever he's not speaking with strong emotion.
Changed line(s) 116 (click to see context) from:
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: His efforts to frame Strahm as the wanted second apprentice end up backfiring on him when the FBI's DNA testing on the fingerprints that he had planted over evidence proves that Strahm was already dead at the time. While he manages to avoid getting exposed for this, it serves as the first major step in his downfall.
to:
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: His efforts to frame Strahm as the wanted second apprentice end up backfiring on him when the FBI's DNA testing on the fingerprints that he had planted over evidence proves that Strahm was already dead at the time. While he manages to avoid getting exposed for this, this by slaughtering the techs that made this discovery, it serves as the first major step in his eventual downfall.
Changed line(s) 135 (click to see context) from:
* MistakenForRelated: A single-receptor variant involving multiple relatives in ''Film/SawIV''. In his last meeting at the police station with Strahm and Perez before the film's main game begins, Hoffman shows up carrying Corbett Denlon's teddy bear. Looking at the teddy bear, Perez assumes that Hoffman has a wife and a child, which he denies as being a "short story".
to:
* MirrorCharacter: To Logan Nelson, surprisingly enough.
** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, both have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, both being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.
** Both lose an important woman in their life (Mark's sister, Angie, and Logan's wife, Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping justice for their death, and wind up manipulating the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's military file is of any indication, both men seemed to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice as a new coping mechanism.)
** Both use their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene work as a means of manipulating evidence, turning attention away from themselves, and even framing other people for their crimes outright.
** Both even wind up being responsible for John's eventual death, in their own ways. Logan inadvertantly mixes up John's head x-ray with another patient's while working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates the people involved in Jeff's trap in ''Saw III'' in order to ensure that both John and Amanda would wind up dead and he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.
* MistakenForRelated: A single-receptor variant involving multiple relatives in ''Film/SawIV''. In his last meeting at the police station with Strahm and Perez before the film's main game begins, Hoffman shows up carrying Corbett Denlon's teddy bear. Looking at the teddy bear, Perez assumes that Hoffman has a wife and a child, which hedenies dismisses as being a "short story".
** Both men are presented as some of John's first attempts at recruiting apprentices to his cause, both have a background in government-associated defense (Logan as a former member of the US military, and Hoffman as a police officer), and act as TheHeavy during their respective tenures under John, both being physically-imposing men with fairly decent strength and a knowledge of self-defense and weapons usage.
** Both lose an important woman in their life (Mark's sister, Angie, and Logan's wife, Christine) to a killer who winds up escaping justice for their death, and wind up manipulating the Jigsaw philosophy as a means of getting that justice achieved on their own terms. (If the mention of a relapse in a FreezeFrameBonus on Logan's military file is of any indication, both men seemed to have coped with the trauma of that death by turning to drugs or alcohol, only managing to get out of that situation by turning to work as an apprentice as a new coping mechanism.)
** Both use their positions as people involved with law enforcement or crime-scene work as a means of manipulating evidence, turning attention away from themselves, and even framing other people for their crimes outright.
** Both even wind up being responsible for John's eventual death, in their own ways. Logan inadvertantly mixes up John's head x-ray with another patient's while working in Lawrence's hospital as an intern, condemning John to a slow death by terminal brain cancer, while Hoffman deliberately manipulates the people involved in Jeff's trap in ''Saw III'' in order to ensure that both John and Amanda would wind up dead and he would no longer be stuck under John's thumb.
* MistakenForRelated: A single-receptor variant involving multiple relatives in ''Film/SawIV''. In his last meeting at the police station with Strahm and Perez before the film's main game begins, Hoffman shows up carrying Corbett Denlon's teddy bear. Looking at the teddy bear, Perez assumes that Hoffman has a wife and a child, which he
Changed line(s) 143,144 (click to see context) from:
* NotSoStoic: Hoffman has had two emotional breakdowns that broke [[TheStoic his usual stoic, composed demeanor]] without any pushbacks.
** It's strongly implied in the flashbacks from ''Saw V'' that Hoffman had a long-term meltdown after being made notice of his sister's death and seeing her corpse in person, given that the subsequent scenes show him [[DrowningMySorrows drinking alcohol]] and John goes to refer to his loss of family as a "powerless feeling".
** It's strongly implied in the flashbacks from ''Saw V'' that Hoffman had a long-term meltdown after being made notice of his sister's death and seeing her corpse in person, given that the subsequent scenes show him [[DrowningMySorrows drinking alcohol]] and John goes to refer to his loss of family as a "powerless feeling".
to:
* NotSoStoic: Hoffman has had two emotional breakdowns that broke manage to break through [[TheStoic his usual stoic, composed demeanor]] without any pushbacks.
demeanor]], and both eventually end in catastrophic consequences for the people around him.
** It's strongly implied in the flashbacks from ''Saw V'' that Hoffman had a long-termmeltdown breakdown after being made notice informed of his sister's death and seeing her corpse in person, given that the subsequent scenes set after this show him [[DrowningMySorrows drinking alcohol]] as little more than a drunken mess]] and John goes to refer to it's the thing that provokes his loss of family as a "powerless feeling".descent into misanthropy and vengance-fueled killing.
** It's strongly implied in the flashbacks from ''Saw V'' that Hoffman had a long-term
Changed line(s) 148,149 (click to see context) from:
** Before becoming John's apprentice, he personally hunted down the man who had killed his sister Angelina. Given the vicious way Seth murdered her and the fact that he got away with it without remorse, Hoffman sealing him in an inescapable, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath particularly gruesome]] trap meant that he really had it coming.
** While most of Hoffman's later victims were handpicked from John's will and for him to set up the respective games, one of the few he tests of his own accord is [[DeathByRacism a gang of neo-nazi skinheads]] for his Horsepower Trap. Given how the trap appears barely survivable and the fact he later uses one of the skinheads' corpses as a decoy for a BodybagTrick, it's strongly implied that he didn't mean to let any of them come out alive, and simply set up a trap as part of his grand scheme in ''Saw 3D''.
** While most of Hoffman's later victims were handpicked from John's will and for him to set up the respective games, one of the few he tests of his own accord is [[DeathByRacism a gang of neo-nazi skinheads]] for his Horsepower Trap. Given how the trap appears barely survivable and the fact he later uses one of the skinheads' corpses as a decoy for a BodybagTrick, it's strongly implied that he didn't mean to let any of them come out alive, and simply set up a trap as part of his grand scheme in ''Saw 3D''.
to:
** Before becoming John's apprentice, he personally hunted down the man who had killed his sister Angelina. Given the vicious way Seth murdered her and the fact that he got away with it without remorse, Hoffman sealing him in an inescapable, [[CruelAndUnusualDeath particularly gruesome]] trap meant that he really had it coming.
doesn't feel particularly undeserved.
** While most of Hoffman's later victims were handpicked from John's will and for him to set up the respective games, one of the few he tests of his own accord is [[DeathByRacism a gang ofneo-nazi Neo-Nazi skinheads]] for his Horsepower Trap. Given how the trap appears barely survivable and the fact he later uses one of the skinheads' corpses as a decoy for a BodybagTrick, it's strongly implied that he didn't mean to let any of them come out alive, and simply set up a trap as part of his grand scheme in ''Saw 3D''.
** While most of Hoffman's later victims were handpicked from John's will and for him to set up the respective games, one of the few he tests of his own accord is [[DeathByRacism a gang of
Changed line(s) 151 (click to see context) from:
* PetTheDog: A downplayed if not subverted example. [[WouldHurtAChild John clearly had something horrific planned for Jeff's daughter if he failed his final test as part of another game,]] but Hoffman exploits this by aborting that game and appearing to save her [[VillainWithGoodPublicity for good will.]]
to:
* PetTheDog: A downplayed if not subverted example. [[WouldHurtAChild John clearly had something horrific planned for Jeff's daughter if he failed his final test as part of another game,]] but game.]] Given Jeff gets killed shortly after learning about this game, Hoffman exploits this finds an opportunity by aborting that game and appearing to save her [[VillainWithGoodPublicity for good will.]]
Changed line(s) 157 (click to see context) from:
* QuizzicalTilt: In ''Saw V'', he tilts his head towards Strahm while inside the Glass Coffin.
to:
* QuizzicalTilt: In ''Saw V'', he tilts his head mockingly towards Strahm while inside after getting pushed into the Glass Coffin.glass coffin, fully aware that Strahm has just doomed himself to a grisly death with no means of escape.
Changed line(s) 162 (click to see context) from:
* {{Revenge}}: Vengeance is the essence of Hoffman whenever he's not being committed to his Jigsaw job. His setting stone for John's forced recruitment of him was an inescapable trap he built for the man who killed his sister. In ''Saw 3D'', Hoffman's motivation is revenge against Jill for attempting to kill him in the previous film.
to:
* {{Revenge}}: Vengeance is the essence of Hoffman whenever he's not being committed to his Jigsaw job. His setting stone forced into following John's philosophy. The basis for John's forced recruitment of him was an inescapable trap he built for the man who killed his sister. In ''Saw 3D'', Hoffman's sole motivation for almost all the havoc he wreaks throughout and all the people he slaughters is revenge against Jill for attempting to kill him in the previous film.her attempt on his life.
Changed line(s) 164,165 (click to see context) from:
* ScrewThisImOutOfHere: He tries to pull this off at the end of ''Saw 3D'' -- key word being ''tries''. He accomplished his goal of killing Jill, and with his identity known to the public, there was no reason for him to stick around. After packing a lot of cash, a gun and setting his lair on fire, he makes to leave. Whether he was planning to get a new identity and put his Jigsaw life behind him or just wait until the heat had died down will likely never be answered, since Lawrence took care of him.
* SelfSurgery: At the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D'', he stitches the tear that the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 left on his right cheek to stop the immense bleeding. By the time it's fully healed, it gives his face the appearance of a half-GlasgowGrin, in addition to the [[BeardOfEvil five-o-clock shadow]] he grew in the meantime.
* SelfSurgery: At the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D'', he stitches the tear that the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 left on his right cheek to stop the immense bleeding. By the time it's fully healed, it gives his face the appearance of a half-GlasgowGrin, in addition to the [[BeardOfEvil five-o-clock shadow]] he grew in the meantime.
to:
* ScrewThisImOutOfHere: He tries to pull this off at the end of ''Saw 3D'' -- key word being ''tries''. He accomplished his goal of killing Jill, and with his identity known to the public, there was no reason for him to stick around. After packing a lot of cash, a gun and setting his lair on fire, he makes to leave. Whether he was planning to get a new identity and put his Jigsaw life behind him or just wait until the heat had died down will likely never be answered, since Lawrence took care of him.
* SelfSurgery: At the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D'', he stitches the tear that the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 left on his right cheek to stop the immense bleeding. By the time it's fully healed, it gives his face the appearance of a half-GlasgowGrin, in addition to the [[BeardOfEvil five-o-clock shadow]] he grew in the meantime.intervened before either could occur.
* SelfSurgery: At the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D'', he stitches the tear that the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 left on his right cheek to stop the immense bleeding. By the time it's fully healed, it gives his face the appearance of a half-GlasgowGrin, in addition to the [[BeardOfEvil five-o-clock shadow]] he grew in the meantime.
Changed line(s) 173 (click to see context) from:
* SmugSmiler: Makes the smuggest of grins when seeing Strahm flail around in vain from his inevitable death, though he quickly looks away the moment the latter begins to get SquashedFlat.
to:
* SmugSmiler: Makes the smuggest of grins when seeing he sees Strahm flail around in vain from his inevitable death, though he quickly looks away the moment the latter begins to get SquashedFlat.
Changed line(s) 176 (click to see context) from:
* TheStarscream: A flashback in ''Film/SawVI'' reveals that he blackmailed Amanda into failing her test in ''Film/SawIII'', setting off the chain of events that led to the deaths of both her and John in quick succession. Jill later catches onto this deception, and [[PayEvilUntoEvil angrily tries to sabotage Hoffman's test]].
to:
* TheStarscream: A flashback in ''Film/SawVI'' reveals that he blackmailed Amanda into failing her test in ''Film/SawIII'', setting off the chain of events that led to the deaths of both her and John in quick succession. Hoffman takes this chance to take credit for saving Jeff's daughter and [[RankUp get a promotion]]. Jill later catches onto this deception, and [[PayEvilUntoEvil angrily tries to sabotage Hoffman's test]].
Added DiffLines:
** This gets exaggerated in ''Saw 3D'' where Hoffman is on the run from police, finds time to set up traps, and performs very complex plans on his own. This culminates with him assaulting a police station and killing over a dozen police officers like he's [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} The Terminator]]. He succeeds without getting meaningfully hurt and only gets captured later by Dr. Gordon. ''3D'' turns from a serial killer trying to keep his head down to a full-on supervillain, like the type seen in action thriller movies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 90 (click to see context) from:
*** Also, happy as he was of his BatmanGambit succeeding, Hoffman ''was'' playing fair, with his own life on the line. Unlike other examples (including Hoffman himself in the previous movie) his survival wasnìt guaranteed and wasn't even up to him.
to:
*** Also, happy as he was of his BatmanGambit succeeding, Hoffman ''was'' playing fair, with his own life on the line. Unlike other examples (including Hoffman himself in the previous movie) ''IV'') his survival wasnìt wasn't guaranteed and wasn't even up to him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* EvilHasABadSenseOfHumor: In TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', he rather cruelly tells Kessler that he'd call Kessler's group's choice of scamming John "epic bad luck".
Changed line(s) 99 (click to see context) from:
** He also politely informs Strahm and Perez where the coffee machines in the precinct are, and is very welcoming towards the latter as he meets her more often, before dooming Strahm in a trap and later torturing Perez by twisting a knife in her until she dies.
to:
** He also politely informs Strahm and Perez where the coffee machines in the local police precinct are, and is very welcoming towards the latter as he meets her more often, before dooming Strahm in a trap and later torturing Perez by twisting a knife in her until she dies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
** He backed Rigg up after Rigg beat up a married domestic abuser about to get away with it, and assuming that he was the one who set up the trap said abuser is caught in during ''Film/SawIV''[='s=] events, he makes sure his wife gets to effortlessly cause his death.
** He seems disturbed, even emotional, when he sees Kerry's torn-apart corpse.
** He seems disturbed, even emotional, when he sees Kerry's torn-apart corpse.
Changed line(s) 94 (click to see context) from:
* FauxAffablyEvil: His entire affable demeanor is pretty fooling at first, that is, until you witnessed his [[BitchInSheepsClothing true colors]] under the Jigsaw persona is when you realize that his affable side is pretty much just an act to lower suspicions.
to:
* FauxAffablyEvil: FauxAffablyEvil:
** His entire affable demeanor is pretty fooling at first, that is, until you witnessed his [[BitchInSheepsClothing true colors]] under the Jigsaw persona is when you realize that his affable side is pretty much just an act to lowersuspicions.suspicions.
** How he acts towards Rigg is a shining example. He treats Rigg like a good friend, having protected him from assault charges and sympathizing with his horror at the sight of Kerry's dead corpse. Then, he tells Rigg to go home so he can kidnap him and put him through a trial, and coldly leaves him to die once he gets wounded in his sight.
** He also politely informs Strahm and Perez where the coffee machines in the precinct are, and is very welcoming towards the latter as he meets her more often, before dooming Strahm in a trap and later torturing Perez by twisting a knife in her until she dies.
** His entire affable demeanor is pretty fooling at first, that is, until you witnessed his [[BitchInSheepsClothing true colors]] under the Jigsaw persona is when you realize that his affable side is pretty much just an act to lower
** How he acts towards Rigg is a shining example. He treats Rigg like a good friend, having protected him from assault charges and sympathizing with his horror at the sight of Kerry's dead corpse. Then, he tells Rigg to go home so he can kidnap him and put him through a trial, and coldly leaves him to die once he gets wounded in his sight.
** He also politely informs Strahm and Perez where the coffee machines in the precinct are, and is very welcoming towards the latter as he meets her more often, before dooming Strahm in a trap and later torturing Perez by twisting a knife in her until she dies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 2 (click to see context) from:
[[Characters/SawJigsawAndAccomplices Jigsaw and Accomplices]] ([[Characters/SawJohnKramer John Kramer]], '''Mark Hoffman''') | [[Characters/SawOtherAntagonists Other Antagonists]] | [[Characters/SawLawEnforcement Law Enforcement]] ([[Characters/SawMetropolitanPoliceDepartment Metropolitan Police Department]]) | [[Characters/SawOtherCharacters Other Characters]] ([[Characters/SawIToIII I-III]], [[Characters/SawIVToVI IV-VI]], [[Characters/Saw3DToJigsaw 3D-Jigsaw]])-]]]]]
to:
[[Characters/SawJigsawAndAccomplices Jigsaw and Accomplices]] ([[Characters/SawJohnKramer John Kramer]], '''Mark Hoffman''') | [[Characters/SawOtherAntagonists Other Antagonists]] | [[Characters/SawLawEnforcement Law Enforcement]] ([[Characters/SawMetropolitanPoliceDepartment Metropolitan Police Department]]) | [[Characters/SawOtherCharacters Other Characters]] ([[Characters/SawIToIII I-III]], [[Characters/SawIVToVI IV-VI]], [[Characters/Saw3DToJigsaw 3D-Jigsaw]])-]]]]][[Characters/Saw3DToX 3D-X]])-]]]]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 11,12 (click to see context) from:
!!!'''Appearances:''' ''Film/SawIII'' | ''Film/SawIV'' | ''Film/SawV'' | ''Film/SawVI'' | ''Film/Saw3D''
to:
!!!'''Appearances:''' ''Film/SawIII'' | ''Film/SawIV'' | ''Film/SawV'' | ''Film/SawVI'' | ''Film/Saw3D''
''Film/Saw3D'' | ''Film/SawX''
Added DiffLines:
* TheCameo: Makes an appearance in TheStinger of ''Film/SawX'', helping John trap one of his victims.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 10,12 (click to see context) from:
->'''Played by:''' Creator/CostasMandylor\\
'''Appearances:''' ''Film/SawIII'' | ''Film/SawIV'' | ''Film/SawV'' | ''Film/SawVI'' | ''Film/Saw3D''
'''Appearances:''' ''Film/SawIII'' | ''Film/SawIV'' | ''Film/SawV'' | ''Film/SawVI'' | ''Film/Saw3D''
to:
'''Appearances:'''
!!!'''Appearances:''' ''Film/SawIII'' | ''Film/SawIV'' | ''Film/SawV'' | ''Film/SawVI'' | ''Film/Saw3D''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* TomTheDarkLord: The notorious successor of Jigsaw (already named John) who racked a much larger body count than him goes by the plain name of Mark.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 30 (click to see context) from:
** Jill, the most active person in trying to stop him, at John's posthumous request to her. While he had met her a few times initially, Hoffman wasn't aware what she was seeking against him until she attempted to get him killed with the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 in the climax of ''Film/SawVI'', at which he became hellbent on murdering her in vengeance, especially after she exposes him as Jigsaw's successor to the Metropolitan Police Department at the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D''.
to:
** Jill, the most active person in trying to stop him, at John's posthumous request to her. While he had met her a few times initially, Hoffman wasn't aware what she was seeking against him until she attempted attempts to get him killed with the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 in the climax of ''Film/SawVI'', at which he became becomes hellbent on murdering her in vengeance, especially after she exposes him as Jigsaw's successor to the Metropolitan Police Department at the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D''. ''Film/Saw3D''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 28 (click to see context) from:
* ArchEnemy: He's had two of them so far.
to:
* ArchEnemy: He's had two three of them so far.
Added DiffLines:
** Jill, the most active person in trying to stop him, at John's posthumous request to her. While he had met her a few times initially, Hoffman wasn't aware what she was seeking against him until she attempted to get him killed with the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 in the climax of ''Film/SawVI'', at which he became hellbent on murdering her in vengeance, especially after she exposes him as Jigsaw's successor to the Metropolitan Police Department at the beginning of ''Film/Saw3D''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 22 (click to see context) from:
Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D'', doing his best to avoid being exposed to the Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI (who were also involved in the case) and facing numerous people threatening his identity, the most active of which was John's ex-wife Jill Tuck, who was acting at a posthumous request from John. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games set by him began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large by Jill in ''Saw 3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed, while fending off the prosecution on him.
to:
Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D'', doing his best to avoid being exposed to the Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI (who were also involved in the case) and facing numerous people threatening his identity, the most active of which was John's ex-wife Jill Tuck, who was acting at a posthumous request from John. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games set by him began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large by Jill in ''Saw 3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed, while fending off the prosecution on him.him led by Gibson.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 20,22 (click to see context) from:
By the time of the Jigsaw investigation, Hoffman used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from his imprisonment on a technicality. This [[JackTheRipoff frame job]] made it to the news and caught John Kramer's attention, who blackmails Hoffman into helping him. Not long afterwards, Hoffman became John's first full-tenured apprentice (after the latter's initial attempt with Logan Nelson), doing a good bulk of jobs before Amanda (whom he constantly competed against for John's praise) came in.
Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D''. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games he set up began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large in ''Saw 3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed.
Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D''. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games he set up began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large in ''Saw 3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed.
to:
By the time of the Jigsaw investigation, Hoffman used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from his imprisonment on a technicality. This [[JackTheRipoff frame job]] made it to the news and caught John Kramer's attention, who blackmails Hoffman into helping him. Not long afterwards, Hoffman became John's first full-tenured apprentice (after the latter's initial attempt with Logan Nelson), doing a good bulk of jobs before Amanda (whom he constantly competed against for John's praise) came in.
Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw3D''. 3D'', doing his best to avoid being exposed to the Metropolitan Police Department and the FBI (who were also involved in the case) and facing numerous people threatening his identity, the most active of which was John's ex-wife Jill Tuck, who was acting at a posthumous request from John. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games he set up by him began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large by Jill in ''Saw 3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed.unscathed, while fending off the prosecution on him.
Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 16,18 (click to see context) from:
Jigsaw's second canonical apprentice and the third full-term Jigsaw Killer (after Amanda Young), Mark Hoffman started out as a detective of the Metropolitan Police Department's Homicide Division simply assigned to the Jigsaw case. He used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from his life imprisonment for his killing of Hoffman's sister Angelica Acomb (whom Seth dated and [[DomesticAbuse abused]] beforehand) on a technicality. This [[JackTheRipoff frame job]] made it to the news and caught John Kramer's attention, who blackmails Hoffman into helping him. Not long afterwards, Hoffman became John's first full-tenured apprentice (after the latter's initial attempt with Logan Nelson), doing a good bulk of jobs before Amanda (whom he constantly competed against for John's praise) came in.
At some point, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After John and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D''. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games he set up began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large in ''3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed.
At some point, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After John and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D''. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games he set up began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large in ''3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed.
to:
Jigsaw's second canonical apprentice and the third full-term Jigsaw Killer (after Amanda Young), Young). Mark Hoffman started out as a detective of the Metropolitan Police Department's Homicide Division simply assigned to the Jigsaw case. At some point before that, his sister Angelina Acomb, whom he himself states to have been his only family, was murdered by her [[DomesticAbuse abusive boyfriend]] Seth Baxter; even though Seth ended up receiving a life prison sentence, Hoffman had a depressive breakdown that lasted for an unknown time upon first seeing Angelina's dead corpse.
He was also a colleague of Matt Gibson. Not much of their past relationship is known aside from Hoffman once saving Gibson from being shot by a homeless man. Because Hoffman killed the criminal despite willingly raising his hands to him, Gibson tried to report this incident to the department's leadership, which only led to Hoffman [[RankUp getting a promotion]] and Gibson being moved to the department's InternalAffairs division, leaving the latter with a bitter taste on Hoffman.
By the time of the Jigsaw investigation, Hoffman used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from hislife imprisonment for his killing of Hoffman's sister Angelica Acomb (whom Seth dated and [[DomesticAbuse abused]] beforehand) on a technicality. This [[JackTheRipoff frame job]] made it to the news and caught John Kramer's attention, who blackmails Hoffman into helping him. Not long afterwards, Hoffman became John's first full-tenured apprentice (after the latter's initial attempt with Logan Nelson), doing a good bulk of jobs before Amanda (whom he constantly competed against for John's praise) came in.
At some point, Eventually, Hoffman began to fall in love with his carnage and, like Amanda, didn't completely buy into Jigsaw's philosophy. After John [[TheStarscream overthrowing John]] by deliberately causing his and Amanda's deaths in ''Saw III'' (the surrounding incident of which led to Hoffman being promoted to Detective Lieutenant), Lieutenant in ''Saw V''), Hoffman continued the Jigsaw work until ''Saw 3D''. In the middle of a subsequent investigation for a "second accomplice" after the games he set up began to pop up, his true identity as Jigsaw's successor was first discovered by the FBI in ''Saw VI'', but (due to him immediately destroying their found evidence and killing the investigators in response) was only revealed to the Metropolitan Police Department at large in ''3D'', ''Saw 3D'', at which he decided to try and leave the city via airplane in order to get away unscathed.
He was also a colleague of Matt Gibson. Not much of their past relationship is known aside from Hoffman once saving Gibson from being shot by a homeless man. Because Hoffman killed the criminal despite willingly raising his hands to him, Gibson tried to report this incident to the department's leadership, which only led to Hoffman [[RankUp getting a promotion]] and Gibson being moved to the department's InternalAffairs division, leaving the latter with a bitter taste on Hoffman.
By the time of the Jigsaw investigation, Hoffman used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from his
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 16,17 (click to see context) from:
Jigsaw's second canonical apprentice and the third full-term Jigsaw Killer (after Amanda Young), Mark Hoffman started out as a detective of the Metropolitan Police Department's Homicide Division simply assigned to the Jigsaw case. He used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from his life imprisonment for his killing of Hoffman's sister Angelica Acomb (whom Seth dated and [[DomesticAbuse abused]] beforehand) on a technicality. This frame job made it to the news and caught John Kramer's attention, who blackmails Hoffman into helping him. Not long afterwards, Hoffman became John's first full-tenured apprentice (after the latter's initial attempt with Logan Nelson), doing a good bulk of jobs before Amanda (whom he constantly competed against for John's praise) came in.
to:
Jigsaw's second canonical apprentice and the third full-term Jigsaw Killer (after Amanda Young), Mark Hoffman started out as a detective of the Metropolitan Police Department's Homicide Division simply assigned to the Jigsaw case. He used the knowledge he acquired of Jigsaw by virtue of following the case to murder Seth Baxter using Jigsaw's MO, after the latter was freed from his life imprisonment for his killing of Hoffman's sister Angelica Acomb (whom Seth dated and [[DomesticAbuse abused]] beforehand) on a technicality. This [[JackTheRipoff frame job job]] made it to the news and caught John Kramer's attention, who blackmails Hoffman into helping him. Not long afterwards, Hoffman became John's first full-tenured apprentice (after the latter's initial attempt with Logan Nelson), doing a good bulk of jobs before Amanda (whom he constantly competed against for John's praise) came in.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 176 (click to see context) from:
* VillainousBreakdown: After escaping the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 in ''Saw VI'', he drops all his pretense of the Jigsaw philosophy and leans fully into an AxCrazy psychopath over the course of ''3D''. This outcome triggers John's plan to [[SummonBiggerFish enlist Dr. Gordon to put him down for good]], which only pushes Hoffman's breakdown further.
to:
* VillainousBreakdown: After escaping the Reverse Bear Trap 2.0 in ''Saw VI'', ''Film/SawVI'', he drops all his pretense of the Jigsaw philosophy and leans fully into an AxCrazy psychopath over the course of ''3D''.''Film/Saw3D''. This outcome triggers John's plan to [[SummonBiggerFish enlist Dr. Gordon to put him down for good]], which only pushes Hoffman's breakdown further.
Changed line(s) 179 (click to see context) from:
* VillainWithGoodPublicity: He's a decorated and highly respected police lieutenant with over twenty years of experience (as he mentions in ''Film/SawV'') and numerous promotions under his belt (a fact that's pointed out by Perez in ''Saw IV''). He's also a violent SerialKiller who happens to be Jigsaw's longest-tenured accomplice and eventual successor. That all goes out the window come ''Film/Saw3D'', when Jill outs him to his police department's InternalAffairs division, making him become the most wanted criminal in the city.
to:
* VillainWithGoodPublicity: He's a decorated and highly respected police lieutenant with over twenty years of experience (as he mentions in ''Film/SawV'') and numerous promotions under his belt (a fact that's pointed out by Perez in ''Saw IV'').''Film/SawIV''). He's also a violent SerialKiller who happens to be Jigsaw's longest-tenured accomplice and eventual successor. That all goes out the window come ''Film/Saw3D'', when Jill outs him to his police department's InternalAffairs division, making him become the most wanted criminal in the city.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 179 (click to see context) from:
* VillainWithGoodPublicity: He's a decorated and highly respected police lieutenant with over twenty years of experience (as he mentions in ''Saw V'') and numerous promotions under his belt (a fact that's pointed out by Perez in ''Saw IV''). He's also a violent DirtyCop who happens to be Jigsaw's accomplice and eventual successor. That all goes out the window come ''3D'', when Jill outs him to Internal Affairs, making him the most wanted criminal in the city.
to:
* VillainWithGoodPublicity: He's a decorated and highly respected police lieutenant with over twenty years of experience (as he mentions in ''Saw V'') ''Film/SawV'') and numerous promotions under his belt (a fact that's pointed out by Perez in ''Saw IV''). He's also a violent DirtyCop SerialKiller who happens to be Jigsaw's longest-tenured accomplice and eventual successor. That all goes out the window come ''3D'', ''Film/Saw3D'', when Jill outs him to Internal Affairs, his police department's InternalAffairs division, making him become the most wanted criminal in the city.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 184,185 (click to see context) from:
* XanatosGambit: The plan he enacts against Strahm in ''Saw V''. The outcome is what he had hoped for, with Strahm getting himself killed and the FBI believing him to be the wanted Jigsaw apprentice, throwing them off the scent of Hoffman himself. However, even if Strahm had followed his instructions and survived the final trap, the FBI would have still thought he was the apprentice in question, meaning he would have been either arrested, forced into hiding, or possibly even Hoffman being able to blackmail him into ''actually'' becoming an accomplice. And if things had somehow gone ''really'' wrong and resulted in Hoffman being killed by the trap, then it would have looked as if Strahm had killed him to cover up his identity, making him doubly screwed.
* XanatosSpeedChess: Hoffman is a master at playing lightning rounds of this. When things fall apart, he'll think on his feet. For example, in ''Saw VI'', Hoffman is called by Erickson and Perez to go to a local audio lab with them, where an FBI technician is analyzing the Pendulum Trap's tape. The analysis reveals that Hoffman's the true second wanted apprentice, so his plan to frame Strahm fails. Hoffman pulls an insane move in response: he murders the technician, Erickson and Perez with only a knife and a cup of coffee. Afterwards, he plants Strahm's fingerprints all over the lab, and then ''burns the place down''.
* XanatosSpeedChess: Hoffman is a master at playing lightning rounds of this. When things fall apart, he'll think on his feet. For example, in ''Saw VI'', Hoffman is called by Erickson and Perez to go to a local audio lab with them, where an FBI technician is analyzing the Pendulum Trap's tape. The analysis reveals that Hoffman's the true second wanted apprentice, so his plan to frame Strahm fails. Hoffman pulls an insane move in response: he murders the technician, Erickson and Perez with only a knife and a cup of coffee. Afterwards, he plants Strahm's fingerprints all over the lab, and then ''burns the place down''.
to:
* XanatosGambit: The plan he enacts against Strahm in ''Saw V''.''Film/SawV''. The outcome is what he had hoped for, with Strahm getting himself killed and the FBI believing him to be the wanted Jigsaw apprentice, throwing them off the scent of Hoffman himself. However, even if Strahm had followed his instructions and survived the final trap, the FBI would have still thought he was the apprentice in question, meaning he would have been either arrested, forced into hiding, or possibly even Hoffman being able to blackmail him into ''actually'' becoming an accomplice. And if things had somehow gone ''really'' wrong and resulted in Hoffman being killed by the trap, then it would have looked as if Strahm had killed him to cover up his identity, making him doubly screwed.
* XanatosSpeedChess: Hoffman is a master at playing lightning rounds of this. When things fall apart, he'll think on his feet. For example, in''Saw VI'', ''Film/SawVI'', Hoffman is called by Erickson and Perez to go to a the local FBI headquarters' audio lab with them, where an FBI audio technician is analyzing the Pendulum Trap's tape. The analysis reveals that Hoffman's the true second wanted apprentice, so his plan to frame Strahm fails. Hoffman pulls an insane move in response: he murders the technician, Erickson and Perez with only a knife and a cup of coffee. Afterwards, he plants Strahm's fingerprints all over the lab, and then ''burns the place down''.
* XanatosSpeedChess: Hoffman is a master at playing lightning rounds of this. When things fall apart, he'll think on his feet. For example, in
