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As originally imagined, this model applied only to literature; it's been argued whether it's meaningful to attempt to extend it to other media (is the view of the camera analogous to a narrator, or an implied author? does the way film is normally shot in first-person or close third-person completely erase the narratee?), and whether assumptions like "[[WordOfGod direct contact between the author and reader]] isn't [[{{Kayfabe}} part of the narrative]]" or "[[UsefulNotes/TheAuteurTheory a story has a single implied author]]" are truly warranted. Regardless, however, it remains influential in structuralist and post-structuralist criticism.
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As originally imagined, this model applied only to literature; it's been argued whether it's meaningful to attempt to extend it to other media (is the view of the camera analogous to a narrator, or an implied author? does the way film is normally shot in first-person or close third-person completely erase the narratee?), and whether assumptions like "[[WordOfGod direct contact between the author and reader]] isn't [[{{Kayfabe}} part of the narrative]]" or "[[UsefulNotes/TheAuteurTheory "[[MediaNotes/TheAuteurTheory a story has a single implied author]]" are truly warranted. Regardless, however, it remains influential in structuralist and post-structuralist criticism.
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ClothingReflectsPersonality, and as that index's organisation suggests, one of the most pervasive categories of identity is gender. Men wear men's clothing. Women wear women's clothing. Nonbinary and androgynous characters, therefore, wear [[TakeAThirdOption the secret third option]]: ''[[RummageSaleReject everything]]''. Tautologically, gender-neutral clothing (if it exists in a given culture) can be worn by anyone without attracting attention. So if a character's gender nonconformity is important, a very visible solution to the audience is to combine articles of clothing that are individually strongly gender-coded in conflicting directions.
This often involves gender stereotypes of various depths, and might itself be called a bigender stereotype. However, both costume design and gender norms are considerably more complicated than "women wear skirts, pink, and lipstick" vs "men wear jackets, blue, and pomade". Perhaps [[LightGirlDarkBoy women wear light hues and complex decorations while men wear neutral-toned colour blocks and rectilinear patterns]], or [[MasculineLinesFeminineCurves men's clothing is rigid and angular but women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting]]. Whether someone's fashion sense is supposed to be "masculine" or "feminine" involves details of fabric, cut, pattern, colour scheme, and so on... which varies not only between cultures and settings, but between social contexts in the same setting. The key is comparison to {{Gendered Outfit}}s in the rest of the cast - if frilly waistcoats are for boys, and shoulder sashes are for girls, then Cassidy stands out by wearing both.
(In reality, of course, it's quite an assumption to expect people to wear everything important to them on their literal sleeves. Nonbinary people look like everyone else, and anyone can decide to wear any style they want. The clothes don't care.)
May be demonstrated by a MasculineFeminineAndrogyneTrio. Compare CampGay, with which this trope has a complicated historical relationship by way of TransEqualsGay; breaking gendered fashion norms is a queer tradition.
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* ''Manga/KomiCantCommunicate'': To comply with their school dress code, Osana Najimi wears [[NonUniformUniform the shirt, tie, and blazer from the boys' uniform, and the skirt, shoes, and stockings from the girls']].
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* ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'': Creator/GrantMorrison portrayed Rebis exploring their metamorphosis (into [[OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous an alchemical fusion of male, female, and energy spirit]]) through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageMummy full-body bandages]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/StephenUniverse'': Crystal gems are feminine, but genderless. At their wedding ceremony, Ruby wears a white bridal gown, while Sapphire wears a tuxedo. After their vows, they fuse, and Garnet joyfully forms wearing a combination of both.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15999363960A69014400&page=38#comment-926
ClothingReflectsPersonality, and as that index's organisation suggests, one of the most pervasive categories of identity is gender. Men wear men's clothing. Women wear women's clothing. Nonbinary and androgynous characters, therefore, wear [[TakeAThirdOption the secret third option]]: ''[[RummageSaleReject everything]]''. Tautologically, gender-neutral clothing (if it exists in a given culture) can be worn by anyone without attracting attention. So if a character's gender nonconformity is important, a very visible solution to the audience is to combine articles of clothing that are individually strongly gender-coded in conflicting directions.
This often involves gender stereotypes of various depths, and might itself be called a bigender stereotype. However, both costume design and gender norms are considerably more complicated than "women wear skirts, pink, and lipstick" vs "men wear jackets, blue, and pomade". Perhaps [[LightGirlDarkBoy women wear light hues and complex decorations while men wear neutral-toned colour blocks and rectilinear patterns]], or [[MasculineLinesFeminineCurves men's clothing is rigid and angular but women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting]]. Whether someone's fashion sense is supposed to be "masculine" or "feminine" involves details of fabric, cut, pattern, colour scheme, and so on... which varies not only between cultures and settings, but between social contexts in the same setting. The key is comparison to {{Gendered Outfit}}s in the rest of the cast - if frilly waistcoats are for boys, and shoulder sashes are for girls, then Cassidy stands out by wearing both.
(In reality, of course, it's quite an assumption to expect people to wear everything important to them on their literal sleeves. Nonbinary people look like everyone else, and anyone can decide to wear any style they want. The clothes don't care.)
May be demonstrated by a MasculineFeminineAndrogyneTrio. Compare CampGay, with which this trope has a complicated historical relationship by way of TransEqualsGay; breaking gendered fashion norms is a queer tradition.
! Examples:
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* ''Manga/KomiCantCommunicate'': To comply with their school dress code, Osana Najimi wears [[NonUniformUniform the shirt, tie, and blazer from the boys' uniform, and the skirt, shoes, and stockings from the girls']].
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* ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'': Creator/GrantMorrison portrayed Rebis exploring their metamorphosis (into [[OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous an alchemical fusion of male, female, and energy spirit]]) through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageMummy full-body bandages]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/StephenUniverse'': Crystal gems are feminine, but genderless. At their wedding ceremony, Ruby wears a white bridal gown, while Sapphire wears a tuxedo. After their vows, they fuse, and Garnet joyfully forms wearing a combination of both.
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''The Dictionary of the Khazars'' is a novel of {{Postmodern|ism}} MagicalRealism by Milorad Pavić, written in Serbian in 1984 and translated to English in 1988 by Christina Pribićević-Zorić. It takes the form of an in-universe reference book about the Khazar Empire, filling in an obscure period of real-world historiography with the implausible and fantastical. The 'plot' - if it can be called that - involves the time period of the original Khazar polemic, but also the publication of the first ''Lexicon Cosri'' in the late 1600s which first attempted to compile Khazar history, and the academic efforts of the 1960s-70s that supposedly produced the modern ''Dictionary of the Khazars'' itself. Finally, the novel itself has "male" and "female" versions, which are identical to each other except for seventeen crucial lines.
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''The Dictionary of the Khazars'' is a novel of {{Postmodern|ism}} MagicalRealism by Milorad Pavić, written in Serbian in 1984 and translated to English in 1988 by Christina Pribićević-Zorić. It takes the form of an in-universe reference book about the Khazar Empire, filling in an obscure period of real-world historiography with the implausible and fantastical. The 'plot' - if it can be called that - involves the time period of the original Khazar polemic, but also the publication of the first ''Lexicon Cosri'' in the late 1600s which first attempted to compile Khazar history, and the academic efforts of the 1960s-70s that supposedly produced the modern ''Dictionary of the Khazars'' itself. Finally, the novel itself has "male" and "female" versions, which are identical to each other except for seventeen crucial lines.
lines, and a later "androgynous edition" which combines them.
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* LooselyBasedOnATrueStory: The "Khazar polemic" central to the novel was inspired by the historically unusual mass-conversion of the Khazars to [[spoiler:Judaism, which is usually non-proselytising]]. The Khazar culture that the novel portrays, however, is mostly imaginary.
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-> All these shortcomings need not be considered as a major drawback: the reader capable of deciphering the hidden meaning of a book from the order of its entries has long since vanished from the face of the earth, for today's reading audience believes that the matter of imagination lies exclusively within the realm of the writer and does not concern them in the least, especially with regard to a dictionary. This type of reader does not even need an hourglass in the book to remind him when to change his manner of reading: he never changes his manner of reading in any case.
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* VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory: The "Khazar polemic" central to the novel was inspired by the historically unusual mass-conversion of the Khazars to [[spoiler:Judaism, which is usually non-proselytising]]. The Khazar culture that the novel portrays, however, is mostly imaginary.
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-> Here lies the reader who will never open this book.\\
He is here forever dead.
-->-- ''Frontispiece''
Between the 600s and 900s CE, the Khazar Empire was a powerful state on the mouth of the Volga river. Sometime during the 8th century, its ruler the khagan had a dream, which he invited three philosophers to attend his court to interpret - a Moslem dervish, a Jewish rabbi, and a Christian monk - with the promise that he and his people would convert to the religion of whichever of them was most satisfactory. This event, the "Khazar polemic", would shortly be followed by the empire's collapse, and its outcome has since been lost to history - along with very nearly all material traces of the empire itself.
The Khazars are remembered by such things as mysterious keys, poisoned dictionaries, spy reports, tattooed skins, and the oral tradition of wild parrots. Nevertheless, the shortage of primary and even secondary sources has done nothing to reduce the fierce religious and academic debates over what actually happened. In fact, the debate itself is very likely responsible for the loss of material... and the traces that have survived have acquired interesting stories of their own...
''The Dictionary of the Khazars'' is a novel of {{Postmodern|ism}} MagicalRealism by Milorad Pavić, written in Serbian in 1984 and translated to English in 1988 by Christina Pribićević-Zorić. It takes the form of an in-universe reference book about the Khazar Empire, filling in an obscure period of real-world historiography with the implausible and fantastical. The 'plot' - if it can be called that - involves the time period of the original Khazar polemic, but also the publication of the first ''Lexicon Cosri'' in the late 1600s which first attempted to compile Khazar history, and the academic efforts of the 1960s-70s that supposedly produced the modern ''Dictionary of the Khazars'' itself. Finally, the novel itself has "male" and "female" versions, which are identical to each other except for seventeen crucial lines.
! Tropes found in ''The Dictionary of the Khazars'' include:
* AmbiguousSituation: The Khazar polemic occurred over a thousand years ago, and no primary sources have survived. What happened there? What did the khagan's dream mean, and which religion did he convert to? Was it even a single event, or is it better understood as a story merging several events of lesser significance into a single legend?
* BookBurning:
** The ''Lexicon Cosri'' was compiled of documents found in Christian, Jewish, and Muslim sources, and consequently was censured by religious authorities of all three.
** The golden copy was eventually inherited by an anti-intellectual who slowly but deliberately destroyed it by using its pages to skim fat from his soup. Only some of its illustrations were preserved.
* CivilisationDestroyer: Soon after the the kaghan's conversion, the Khazar state was destroyed by a Russian prince, leaving very few surviving artefacts of their culture, only mentions in foreign records.
* InterfaceScrew: Notes suggest that the golden ''Lexicon Cosri'' contained an hourglass hidden in the binding, which could be heard while reading the book in silence. A secret meaning of the book would be revealed if the reader turned the book upside down and continued reading from the back whenever the sand ran out.
** On a more ordinary scale, the 1691 ''Lexicon'' did not translate names or dates from its Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic sources... but it did still alphabetise them, in Polish.
** The ''Dictionary'' attempts to be somewhat more user-friendly, but is still divided into three dictionaries: Red, Green, and Yellow, based on Christian, Islamic, and Hebrew sources, respectively. Entries for the same topic in different dictionaries may contradict each other due to conflicting sources, and footnotes are marked based on which of the three they refer to.
* LemonyNarrator: The narrative voice drifts readily between academic xerotes and florid metaphor.
* LooselyBasedOnATrueStory: The "Khazar polemic" central to the novel was inspired by the historically unusual mass-conversion of the Khazars to [[spoiler:Judaism, which is usually non-proselytising]]. The Khazar culture that the novel portrays, however, is mostly imaginary.
* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: The original Daubmannus 1691 edition, the ''Lexicon Cosri'', had two special copies printed with gold and silver locks, which were the only two to escape destruction by the Polish Inquisition the next year. The gold copy was printed with a poisonous numbing ink, which would kill the reader on the ninth page, while the silver "auxiliary" copy provided an explanation. However, poisoned ink does not explain why the gold copy was also followed by deaths caused by pestilence and drought.
* NotInFrontOfTheParrot: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]]. Generations of Black Sea parrots imitating each other are believed to be the only record of the now-extinct Khazar language.
* ProudWarriorRace: The Preliminary Notes describe the Khazars as "warlike and nomadic", "driven by a scorching silence" and brought to the Caucasus by "masculine winds, which never bring rain".
* ScrapbookStory: Indirectly - documents attesting to the Khazar polemic have been summarised and cited, rather than quoted. But most of those documents are themselves summaries of records which are now lost, obscuring the accuracy...
* TakeThatAudience: The editor has a rather biting opinion of "light reading".
-> All these shortcomings need not be considered as a major drawback: the reader capable of deciphering the hidden meaning of a book from the order of its entries has long since vanished from the face of the earth, for today's reading audience believes that the matter of imagination lies exclusively within the realm of the writer and does not concern them in the least, especially with regard to a dictionary. This type of reader does not even need an hourglass in the book to remind him when to change his manner of reading: he never changes his manner of reading in any case.
* WikiWalk: The reader is actively encouraged to use the ''Dictionary'' like any other reference book, reading entries in whatever order catches their interest rather than being bound to a linear narrative (or not even reading the entire thing, any more than one would read an entire encyclopaedia).
-> Here lies the reader who will never open this book.\\
He is here forever dead.
-->-- ''Frontispiece''
Between the 600s and 900s CE, the Khazar Empire was a powerful state on the mouth of the Volga river. Sometime during the 8th century, its ruler the khagan had a dream, which he invited three philosophers to attend his court to interpret - a Moslem dervish, a Jewish rabbi, and a Christian monk - with the promise that he and his people would convert to the religion of whichever of them was most satisfactory. This event, the "Khazar polemic", would shortly be followed by the empire's collapse, and its outcome has since been lost to history - along with very nearly all material traces of the empire itself.
The Khazars are remembered by such things as mysterious keys, poisoned dictionaries, spy reports, tattooed skins, and the oral tradition of wild parrots. Nevertheless, the shortage of primary and even secondary sources has done nothing to reduce the fierce religious and academic debates over what actually happened. In fact, the debate itself is very likely responsible for the loss of material... and the traces that have survived have acquired interesting stories of their own...
''The Dictionary of the Khazars'' is a novel of {{Postmodern|ism}} MagicalRealism by Milorad Pavić, written in Serbian in 1984 and translated to English in 1988 by Christina Pribićević-Zorić. It takes the form of an in-universe reference book about the Khazar Empire, filling in an obscure period of real-world historiography with the implausible and fantastical. The 'plot' - if it can be called that - involves the time period of the original Khazar polemic, but also the publication of the first ''Lexicon Cosri'' in the late 1600s which first attempted to compile Khazar history, and the academic efforts of the 1960s-70s that supposedly produced the modern ''Dictionary of the Khazars'' itself. Finally, the novel itself has "male" and "female" versions, which are identical to each other except for seventeen crucial lines.
! Tropes found in ''The Dictionary of the Khazars'' include:
* AmbiguousSituation: The Khazar polemic occurred over a thousand years ago, and no primary sources have survived. What happened there? What did the khagan's dream mean, and which religion did he convert to? Was it even a single event, or is it better understood as a story merging several events of lesser significance into a single legend?
* BookBurning:
** The ''Lexicon Cosri'' was compiled of documents found in Christian, Jewish, and Muslim sources, and consequently was censured by religious authorities of all three.
** The golden copy was eventually inherited by an anti-intellectual who slowly but deliberately destroyed it by using its pages to skim fat from his soup. Only some of its illustrations were preserved.
* CivilisationDestroyer: Soon after the the kaghan's conversion, the Khazar state was destroyed by a Russian prince, leaving very few surviving artefacts of their culture, only mentions in foreign records.
* InterfaceScrew: Notes suggest that the golden ''Lexicon Cosri'' contained an hourglass hidden in the binding, which could be heard while reading the book in silence. A secret meaning of the book would be revealed if the reader turned the book upside down and continued reading from the back whenever the sand ran out.
** On a more ordinary scale, the 1691 ''Lexicon'' did not translate names or dates from its Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic sources... but it did still alphabetise them, in Polish.
** The ''Dictionary'' attempts to be somewhat more user-friendly, but is still divided into three dictionaries: Red, Green, and Yellow, based on Christian, Islamic, and Hebrew sources, respectively. Entries for the same topic in different dictionaries may contradict each other due to conflicting sources, and footnotes are marked based on which of the three they refer to.
* LemonyNarrator: The narrative voice drifts readily between academic xerotes and florid metaphor.
* LooselyBasedOnATrueStory: The "Khazar polemic" central to the novel was inspired by the historically unusual mass-conversion of the Khazars to [[spoiler:Judaism, which is usually non-proselytising]]. The Khazar culture that the novel portrays, however, is mostly imaginary.
* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: The original Daubmannus 1691 edition, the ''Lexicon Cosri'', had two special copies printed with gold and silver locks, which were the only two to escape destruction by the Polish Inquisition the next year. The gold copy was printed with a poisonous numbing ink, which would kill the reader on the ninth page, while the silver "auxiliary" copy provided an explanation. However, poisoned ink does not explain why the gold copy was also followed by deaths caused by pestilence and drought.
* NotInFrontOfTheParrot: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]]. Generations of Black Sea parrots imitating each other are believed to be the only record of the now-extinct Khazar language.
* ProudWarriorRace: The Preliminary Notes describe the Khazars as "warlike and nomadic", "driven by a scorching silence" and brought to the Caucasus by "masculine winds, which never bring rain".
* ScrapbookStory: Indirectly - documents attesting to the Khazar polemic have been summarised and cited, rather than quoted. But most of those documents are themselves summaries of records which are now lost, obscuring the accuracy...
* TakeThatAudience: The editor has a rather biting opinion of "light reading".
-> All these shortcomings need not be considered as a major drawback: the reader capable of deciphering the hidden meaning of a book from the order of its entries has long since vanished from the face of the earth, for today's reading audience believes that the matter of imagination lies exclusively within the realm of the writer and does not concern them in the least, especially with regard to a dictionary. This type of reader does not even need an hourglass in the book to remind him when to change his manner of reading: he never changes his manner of reading in any case.
* WikiWalk: The reader is actively encouraged to use the ''Dictionary'' like any other reference book, reading entries in whatever order catches their interest rather than being bound to a linear narrative (or not even reading the entire thing, any more than one would read an entire encyclopaedia).
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Nonbinary or androgynous characters whose fashion sense simply combines articles of clothing that are each strongly gender-coded in conflicting directions (e.g. Osana Najimi, whose NonUniformUniform is made of the upper half of a boys' and the lower half of a girls').
"It's like a stereotype of what people think being GNC/nonbinary is."
It'd be helpful to have a list somewhere of what kinds of clothing are strongly gendered (hence my attention to GenderedOutfit) but even something like "women wear necklaces, men wear ties" has so many exceptions that ultimately it has to be contextual... especially in works that aren't set in a modern world or urban fantasy setting. If this is a setting where most boys have long hair and girls don't, and most girls wear blue and boys don't, and Jean is an exception to both, that seems like it would be an example with sufficient context.
(In practice, it often has more to do with more specific design choices like fabric, cut, pattern, and (yes) colour scheme. But in any case, it seems inappropriate to try to establish rigid gender categories on the same trope page about deliberately mixing them.)
* LightGirlDarkBoy - lighter hues and more complex decorative patterns, vs dark neutral-toned blocks of colours
* MasculineLinesFeminineCurves - men's clothing is more rigid and angular, women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting
* There's also some kind of complicated historical relation to CampGay, by way of TransEqualsGay, as campy affectations often include breaking gendered fashion norms as part of the style.
"It's like a stereotype of what people think being GNC/nonbinary is."
It'd be helpful to have a list somewhere of what kinds of clothing are strongly gendered (hence my attention to GenderedOutfit) but even something like "women wear necklaces, men wear ties" has so many exceptions that ultimately it has to be contextual... especially in works that aren't set in a modern world or urban fantasy setting. If this is a setting where most boys have long hair and girls don't, and most girls wear blue and boys don't, and Jean is an exception to both, that seems like it would be an example with sufficient context.
(In practice, it often has more to do with more specific design choices like fabric, cut, pattern, and (yes) colour scheme. But in any case, it seems inappropriate to try to establish rigid gender categories on the same trope page about deliberately mixing them.)
* LightGirlDarkBoy - lighter hues and more complex decorative patterns, vs dark neutral-toned blocks of colours
* MasculineLinesFeminineCurves - men's clothing is more rigid and angular, women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting
* There's also some kind of complicated historical relation to CampGay, by way of TransEqualsGay, as campy affectations often include breaking gendered fashion norms as part of the style.
to:
ClothingReflectsPersonality, and as that index's organisation suggests, one of the most pervasive categories of identity is gender. Men wear men's clothing. Women wear women's clothing. Nonbinary or and androgynous characters whose fashion sense simply combines characters, therefore, wear [[TakeAThirdOption the secret third option]]: ''[[RummageSaleReject everything]]''. Tautologically, gender-neutral clothing (if it exists in a given culture) can be worn by anyone without attracting attention. So if a character's gender nonconformity is important, a very visible solution to the audience is to combine articles of clothing that are each individually strongly gender-coded in conflicting directions (e.g. Osana Najimi, whose NonUniformUniform is made directions.
This often involves gender stereotypes ofthe upper half of a boys' various depths, and the lower half of a girls').
"It's like a stereotype of what people think being GNC/nonbinary is."
It'dmight itself be helpful to have called a list somewhere of what kinds of clothing bigender stereotype. However, both costume design and gender norms are strongly gendered (hence my attention to GenderedOutfit) but even something like considerably more complicated than "women wear necklaces, skirts, pink, and lipstick" vs "men wear jackets, blue, and pomade". Perhaps [[LightGirlDarkBoy women wear light hues and complex decorations while men wear ties" has so many exceptions that ultimately it has neutral-toned colour blocks and rectilinear patterns]], or [[MasculineLinesFeminineCurves men's clothing is rigid and angular but women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting]]. Whether someone's fashion sense is supposed to be contextual... especially in works that aren't set in a modern world "masculine" or urban fantasy setting. If this is a setting where most boys have long hair and girls don't, and most girls wear blue and boys don't, and Jean is an exception to both, that seems like it would be an example with sufficient context.
(In practice, it often has more to do with more specific design choices like"feminine" involves details of fabric, cut, pattern, and (yes) colour scheme. But scheme, and so on... which varies not only between cultures and settings, but between social contexts in any case, it seems inappropriate to try to establish rigid gender categories on the same trope page about deliberately mixing them.setting. The key is comparison to {{Gendered Outfit}}s in the rest of the cast - if frilly waistcoats are for boys, and shoulder sashes are for girls, then Cassidy stands out by wearing both.
(In reality, of course, it's quite an assumption to expect people to wear everything important to them on their literal sleeves. Nonbinary people look like everyone else, and anyone can decide to wear any style they want. The clothes don't care.)
* LightGirlDarkBoy - lighter hues and more complex decorative patterns, vs dark neutral-toned blocks of colours
* MasculineLinesFeminineCurves - men's clothing is more rigid and angular, women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting
* There's also some kind ofMay be demonstrated by a MasculineFeminineAndrogyneTrio. Compare CampGay, with which this trope has a complicated historical relation to CampGay, relationship by way of TransEqualsGay, as campy affectations often include TransEqualsGay; breaking gendered fashion norms as part of the style.
is a queer tradition.
This often involves gender stereotypes of
"It's like a stereotype of what people think being GNC/nonbinary is."
It'd
(In practice, it often has more to do with more specific design choices like
(In reality, of course, it's quite an assumption to expect people to wear everything important to them on their literal sleeves. Nonbinary people look like everyone else, and anyone can decide to wear any style they want. The clothes don't care.)
* MasculineLinesFeminineCurves - men's clothing is more rigid and angular, women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting
* There's also some kind of
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* Manga/KomiCantCommunicate: To comply with the school dress code, Osana Najimi [[NonUniformUniform the shirt, tie, and blazer from the boys' uniform, and the skirt, shoes, and stockings from the girls']].
* ComicBook/DoomPatrol occasionally portrayed Rebis exploring their identity through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageBabe mummy-wrappings]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].
* ComicBook/DoomPatrol occasionally portrayed Rebis exploring their identity through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageBabe mummy-wrappings]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].
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*Manga/KomiCantCommunicate: ''Manga/KomiCantCommunicate'': To comply with the their school dress code, Osana Najimi wears [[NonUniformUniform the shirt, tie, and blazer from the boys' uniform, and the skirt, shoes, and stockings from the girls']].
girls']].
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*ComicBook/DoomPatrol occasionally ''ComicBook/DoomPatrol'': Creator/GrantMorrison portrayed Rebis exploring their identity metamorphosis (into [[OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous an alchemical fusion of male, female, and energy spirit]]) through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageBabe mummy-wrappings]] [[BandageMummy full-body bandages]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].sunglasses]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/StephenUniverse'': Crystal gems are feminine, but genderless. At their wedding ceremony, Ruby wears a white bridal gown, while Sapphire wears a tuxedo. After their vows, they fuse, and Garnet joyfully forms wearing a combination of both.
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* ''WesternAnimation/StephenUniverse'': Crystal gems are feminine, but genderless. At their wedding ceremony, Ruby wears a white bridal gown, while Sapphire wears a tuxedo. After their vows, they fuse, and Garnet joyfully forms wearing a combination of both.
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A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
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A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
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* Manga/KomiCantCommunicate: To comply with the school dress code, Osana Najimi [[NonUniformUniform the shirt, tie, and blazer from the boys' uniform, and the skirt, shoes, and stockings from the girls']].
* ComicBook/DoomPatrol occasionally portrayed Rebis exploring their identity through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageBabe mummy-wrappings]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].
* Manga/KomiCantCommunicate: To comply with the school dress code, Osana Najimi [[NonUniformUniform the shirt, tie, and blazer from the boys' uniform, and the skirt, shoes, and stockings from the girls']].
* ComicBook/DoomPatrol occasionally portrayed Rebis exploring their identity through clothing - for example, adding [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/3/31666/1801988-rebis_13.jpg pearls, briefs, and a lace bra]] to their customary [[BandageBabe mummy-wrappings]] and [[CoolShades sunglasses]].
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[[folder:Music/ The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing]]
[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tmtwnbbfn_victorians.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:350:Rubbing the face of the present day in the rotten corpse of its past since 2008.]]
-> "''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing!'' If we don't stop them, they could rewrite history - all of history! ''One song at a time...''"
''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in London in 2008 by Andrew O'Neill and Andy Heintz. They've described their genre as "crusty punk meets cockney sing-songs meets grindcore in the 1880s" - their music uses the history of Victorian Britain for satire and contemporary social commentary, making fun of famous (and less-famous) historical events, and often focusing on the era's macabre side. More recent albums have drawn increasingly from a variety of punk and alternative music genres.
Current members include Andrew O'Neill (they/them, vocals and guitar), Andy Heintz (he/him, vocals and musical saw), and Marc Burrows (he/him, bass guitar). Ben Dawson played drums until he left in 2010, and was replaced by Jez Miller, who remained with the band until 2021.
!! Discography:
* ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named For Legal Reasons'' [[note]]Originally released as ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk! Volume 1'', until the trademark owners of ''Now That's What I Call Music!'' sued them for infringement[[/note]] (2010)
* ''A Very Steampunk Christmas EP'' (2010)
* ''Anachrony in the UK: Live in London'' (2011)
* ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Killed By Conventional Weapons'' (2012)
* ''The Gin Song/Third-Class Coffin EP'' (2013)
* ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' (2015)
* ''Double Negative'' (2018)
!! These are the tropes that will not be listed for nothing:
* AfterlifeExpress: The London Necropolis Railway is the topic of "Third-Class Coffin". The deceased singer is insulted to realise that each of the upper-class dead gets an entire train carriage for their mourners to accompany them, while the poor are stacked like freight.
* AIIsACrapshoot: "Vive La Difference Engine" indicates that Babbage actually completed the difference engine, but kept it secret out of some vague premonition of the future of computing - not for fear of thinking machines themselves, but that the technology would fall into the wrong hands before it could be perfected.
--> ''Vive la Difference Engine, Engine!''
--> ''Lurking in a Limehouse backstreet shed!''
--> ''Future events are set in motion - ''
--> ''Watch the machine's first faltering steps!''
* AmazonChaser: "Goggles" sings the praises of women who can win fistfights and strip engines.
* AnachronisticSoundtrack: "Sewer" and "Free Spirit" both had special releases on wax cylinders, the first audio-recording format invented, which had been obsolete for decades.
* BrainFever: "Charlie" came home from the tropics babbling insulting nonsense about being descended from monkeys. Too much time in the sun, clearly.
* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains left when she brought Prince Albert his dinner.
* CameBackWrong: "Victoria's Secret" is that she used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert as a FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* TheCameo: [[Series/DoctorWho Sylvester McCoy]] voices the intro to ''...Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong: Everyone in "Margate Fhtagn" treats Cthulhu devouring everyone who goes for a swim as a nuisance on the same level as high temperatures and sore feet; the Nan is the only one whining about it all, and everyone is happier when she gets eaten.
* CrappyCarnival: "The Worst Sideshow Ever" is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* CreepyDoll: The cover of ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' features two large relatively normal dolls, and a third smaller one sitting between them with a [[VaginaDentata toothy vertical slit mouth]] and a long ManiacTongue.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: "Margate Fhtagn" resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by the tentacle!''
--> ''I'll call him my friend, I'll thank him again, and buy the old bugger a pint!''
* DisproportionateRetribution: In "Margate Fhtagn", Nan insisted on coming on vacation and spends the entire time complaining about everything... so Pa tricks her into getting eaten by Cthulhu. The lingering question of how he knew what an Elder God was suggests he may have [[BatmanGambit anticipated this when he planned the trip]].
* TheFreakshow: "The Worst Sideshow Ever" doesn't actually have any freaks and the audience finds its pickled gherkins with fake eyes and ears glued on unconvincing.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted. "This House Is Not Haunted." There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the cold draft in the hallway to the mysterious bumps in the night... so [[DoubleSubversion surely there must also be one]] for the [[BloodyHorror bleeding walls]] and the [[SleepParalysisCreature midnight shadow standing in the bedroom]].
* ILoveTheDead: "Victoria's Secret" is that she loved Prince Albert too much not to try to revive him with witchcraft and voodoo.
* ImmuneToBullets: ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of anti-establishment Victorian time travellers on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in "This House Is Not Haunted" becomes increasingly desperate to reassure himself that "everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* MadwomanInTheAttic: Zombie Prince Albert, whom Queen Victoria keeps in the basement.
* OneSteveLimit: "Steph(v)enson" is about George and Robert Stephenson, the father and son who co-invented the first commercial steam locomotive; not to be confused with Robert Stevenson, a lighthouse engineer who ''also'' worked on trains; not to be confused with Creator/RobertLouisStevenson, author of ''Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde'' and ''Treasure Island''.
--> "Well, how d'you tell 'em apart?"
--> "Well, that's pretty straightforward. A simple matter of spelling."
--> "Witchcraft?!"
--> "No, not that sort of spelling. They spelt their surnames differently. George and Robert Stephenson spelt it with a 'ph' - the other Robert spelt it with a 'v'."
--> "Oh, I see - 'Vephenson'!"
* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and Ripperologists in particular, for sensationalising UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper as some diabolical mastermind and exploiting his mystery to sell wildly speculative books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
* RealMenWearPink: Andy Heintz performs with his ragged sideburns and handlebar moustache dyed pink.
* SerialKiller: "Occam's Razor" is about Jack the Ripper, or rather, his mythicisation. "Baby Farmer" is about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer Amelia Dyer]].
* SongStyleShift: "Margate Fhtagn" goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' and eventually settles somewhere in the middle.
* {{Steampunk}}: Emphasis on the punk.
* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: "This House Is Not Haunted" ultimately remains ambiguous because the sceptical narrator is thoroughly convinced that the supernatural isn't real and therefore he must be mad.
* TheTropeFormerlyKnownAsX: Following a lawsuit by EMI Records, the album ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk!'' was retitled ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named for Legal Reasons''.
* YoungFutureFamousPeople: No one in "Charlie" takes Charles Darwin's theory of evolution seriously.
BritishMusic, PunkRock, PostHardcore, PostPunk, MusicOfThe2000s, MusicOfThe2010s
[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tmtwnbbfn_victorians.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:350:Rubbing the face of the present day in the rotten corpse of its past since 2008.]]
-> "''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing!'' If we don't stop them, they could rewrite history - all of history! ''One song at a time...''"
''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in London in 2008 by Andrew O'Neill and Andy Heintz. They've described their genre as "crusty punk meets cockney sing-songs meets grindcore in the 1880s" - their music uses the history of Victorian Britain for satire and contemporary social commentary, making fun of famous (and less-famous) historical events, and often focusing on the era's macabre side. More recent albums have drawn increasingly from a variety of punk and alternative music genres.
Current members include Andrew O'Neill (they/them, vocals and guitar), Andy Heintz (he/him, vocals and musical saw), and Marc Burrows (he/him, bass guitar). Ben Dawson played drums until he left in 2010, and was replaced by Jez Miller, who remained with the band until 2021.
!! Discography:
* ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named For Legal Reasons'' [[note]]Originally released as ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk! Volume 1'', until the trademark owners of ''Now That's What I Call Music!'' sued them for infringement[[/note]] (2010)
* ''A Very Steampunk Christmas EP'' (2010)
* ''Anachrony in the UK: Live in London'' (2011)
* ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Killed By Conventional Weapons'' (2012)
* ''The Gin Song/Third-Class Coffin EP'' (2013)
* ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' (2015)
* ''Double Negative'' (2018)
!! These are the tropes that will not be listed for nothing:
* AfterlifeExpress: The London Necropolis Railway is the topic of "Third-Class Coffin". The deceased singer is insulted to realise that each of the upper-class dead gets an entire train carriage for their mourners to accompany them, while the poor are stacked like freight.
* AIIsACrapshoot: "Vive La Difference Engine" indicates that Babbage actually completed the difference engine, but kept it secret out of some vague premonition of the future of computing - not for fear of thinking machines themselves, but that the technology would fall into the wrong hands before it could be perfected.
--> ''Vive la Difference Engine, Engine!''
--> ''Lurking in a Limehouse backstreet shed!''
--> ''Future events are set in motion - ''
--> ''Watch the machine's first faltering steps!''
* AmazonChaser: "Goggles" sings the praises of women who can win fistfights and strip engines.
* AnachronisticSoundtrack: "Sewer" and "Free Spirit" both had special releases on wax cylinders, the first audio-recording format invented, which had been obsolete for decades.
* BrainFever: "Charlie" came home from the tropics babbling insulting nonsense about being descended from monkeys. Too much time in the sun, clearly.
* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains left when she brought Prince Albert his dinner.
* CameBackWrong: "Victoria's Secret" is that she used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert as a FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* TheCameo: [[Series/DoctorWho Sylvester McCoy]] voices the intro to ''...Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong: Everyone in "Margate Fhtagn" treats Cthulhu devouring everyone who goes for a swim as a nuisance on the same level as high temperatures and sore feet; the Nan is the only one whining about it all, and everyone is happier when she gets eaten.
* CrappyCarnival: "The Worst Sideshow Ever" is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* CreepyDoll: The cover of ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' features two large relatively normal dolls, and a third smaller one sitting between them with a [[VaginaDentata toothy vertical slit mouth]] and a long ManiacTongue.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: "Margate Fhtagn" resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by the tentacle!''
--> ''I'll call him my friend, I'll thank him again, and buy the old bugger a pint!''
* DisproportionateRetribution: In "Margate Fhtagn", Nan insisted on coming on vacation and spends the entire time complaining about everything... so Pa tricks her into getting eaten by Cthulhu. The lingering question of how he knew what an Elder God was suggests he may have [[BatmanGambit anticipated this when he planned the trip]].
* TheFreakshow: "The Worst Sideshow Ever" doesn't actually have any freaks and the audience finds its pickled gherkins with fake eyes and ears glued on unconvincing.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted. "This House Is Not Haunted." There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the cold draft in the hallway to the mysterious bumps in the night... so [[DoubleSubversion surely there must also be one]] for the [[BloodyHorror bleeding walls]] and the [[SleepParalysisCreature midnight shadow standing in the bedroom]].
* ILoveTheDead: "Victoria's Secret" is that she loved Prince Albert too much not to try to revive him with witchcraft and voodoo.
* ImmuneToBullets: ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of anti-establishment Victorian time travellers on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in "This House Is Not Haunted" becomes increasingly desperate to reassure himself that "everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* MadwomanInTheAttic: Zombie Prince Albert, whom Queen Victoria keeps in the basement.
* OneSteveLimit: "Steph(v)enson" is about George and Robert Stephenson, the father and son who co-invented the first commercial steam locomotive; not to be confused with Robert Stevenson, a lighthouse engineer who ''also'' worked on trains; not to be confused with Creator/RobertLouisStevenson, author of ''Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde'' and ''Treasure Island''.
--> "Well, how d'you tell 'em apart?"
--> "Well, that's pretty straightforward. A simple matter of spelling."
--> "Witchcraft?!"
--> "No, not that sort of spelling. They spelt their surnames differently. George and Robert Stephenson spelt it with a 'ph' - the other Robert spelt it with a 'v'."
--> "Oh, I see - 'Vephenson'!"
* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and Ripperologists in particular, for sensationalising UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper as some diabolical mastermind and exploiting his mystery to sell wildly speculative books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
* RealMenWearPink: Andy Heintz performs with his ragged sideburns and handlebar moustache dyed pink.
* SerialKiller: "Occam's Razor" is about Jack the Ripper, or rather, his mythicisation. "Baby Farmer" is about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer Amelia Dyer]].
* SongStyleShift: "Margate Fhtagn" goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' and eventually settles somewhere in the middle.
* {{Steampunk}}: Emphasis on the punk.
* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: "This House Is Not Haunted" ultimately remains ambiguous because the sceptical narrator is thoroughly convinced that the supernatural isn't real and therefore he must be mad.
* TheTropeFormerlyKnownAsX: Following a lawsuit by EMI Records, the album ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk!'' was retitled ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named for Legal Reasons''.
* YoungFutureFamousPeople: No one in "Charlie" takes Charles Darwin's theory of evolution seriously.
BritishMusic, PunkRock, PostHardcore, PostPunk, MusicOfThe2000s, MusicOfThe2010s
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[[caption-width-right:350:Rubbing the face
-> "''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing!'' If we don't stop them, they could rewrite history - all of history! ''One song at a time...''"
''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in London in 2008 by Andrew O'Neill and Andy Heintz. They've described their genre as "crusty punk meets cockney sing-songs meets grindcore in the 1880s" - their music uses the history of Victorian Britain for satire and contemporary social commentary, making fun of famous (and less-famous) historical events, and often focusing on the era's macabre side. More recent albums have drawn increasingly from a variety of punk and alternative music genres.
Current members include Andrew O'Neill (they/them, vocals and guitar), Andy Heintz (he/him, vocals and musical saw), and Marc Burrows (he/him, bass guitar). Ben Dawson played drums until he left in 2010, and was replaced by Jez Miller, who remained with the band until 2021.
!! Discography:
* ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named For Legal Reasons'' [[note]]Originally released as ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk! Volume 1'', until the trademark owners of ''Now That's What I Call Music!'' sued them for infringement[[/note]] (2010)
* ''A Very Steampunk Christmas EP'' (2010)
* ''Anachrony in the UK: Live in London'' (2011)
* ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Killed By Conventional Weapons'' (2012)
* ''The Gin Song/Third-Class Coffin EP'' (2013)
* ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' (2015)
* ''Double Negative'' (2018)
!! These are the tropes that will not be listed for nothing:
* AfterlifeExpress: The London Necropolis Railway is the topic of "Third-Class Coffin". The deceased singer is insulted to realise that each of the upper-class dead gets an entire train carriage for their mourners to accompany them, while the poor are stacked like freight.
* AIIsACrapshoot: "Vive La Difference Engine" indicates that Babbage actually completed the difference engine, but kept it secret out of some vague premonition of the future of computing - not for fear of thinking machines themselves, but that the technology would fall into the wrong hands before it could be perfected.
--> ''Vive la Difference Engine, Engine!''
--> ''Lurking in a Limehouse backstreet shed!''
--> ''Future events are set in motion - ''
--> ''Watch the machine's first faltering steps!''
* AmazonChaser: "Goggles" sings the praises of women who can win fistfights and strip engines.
* AnachronisticSoundtrack: "Sewer" and "Free Spirit" both had special releases on wax cylinders, the first audio-recording format invented, which had been obsolete for decades.
* BrainFever: "Charlie" came home from the tropics babbling insulting nonsense about being descended from monkeys. Too much time in the sun, clearly.
* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains left when she brought Prince Albert his dinner.
* CameBackWrong: "Victoria's Secret" is that she used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert as a FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* TheCameo: [[Series/DoctorWho Sylvester McCoy]] voices the intro to ''...Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong: Everyone in "Margate Fhtagn" treats Cthulhu devouring everyone who goes for a swim as a nuisance on the same level as high temperatures and sore feet; the Nan is the only one whining about it all, and everyone is happier when she gets eaten.
* CrappyCarnival: "The Worst Sideshow Ever" is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* CreepyDoll: The cover of ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' features two large relatively normal dolls, and a third smaller one sitting between them with a [[VaginaDentata toothy vertical slit mouth]] and a long ManiacTongue.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: "Margate Fhtagn" resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by the tentacle!''
--> ''I'll call him my friend, I'll thank him again, and buy the old bugger a pint!''
* DisproportionateRetribution: In "Margate Fhtagn", Nan insisted on coming on vacation and spends the entire time complaining about everything... so Pa tricks her into getting eaten by Cthulhu. The lingering question of how he knew what an Elder God was suggests he may have [[BatmanGambit anticipated this when he planned the trip]].
* TheFreakshow: "The Worst Sideshow Ever" doesn't actually have any freaks and the audience finds its pickled gherkins with fake eyes and ears glued on unconvincing.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted. "This House Is Not Haunted." There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the cold draft in the hallway to the mysterious bumps in the night... so [[DoubleSubversion surely there must also be one]] for the [[BloodyHorror bleeding walls]] and the [[SleepParalysisCreature midnight shadow standing in the bedroom]].
* ILoveTheDead: "Victoria's Secret" is that she loved Prince Albert too much not to try to revive him with witchcraft and voodoo.
* ImmuneToBullets: ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of anti-establishment Victorian time travellers on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in "This House Is Not Haunted" becomes increasingly desperate to reassure himself that "everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* MadwomanInTheAttic: Zombie Prince Albert, whom Queen Victoria keeps in the basement.
* OneSteveLimit: "Steph(v)enson" is about George and Robert Stephenson, the father and son who co-invented the first commercial steam locomotive; not to be confused with Robert Stevenson, a lighthouse engineer who ''also'' worked on trains; not to be confused with Creator/RobertLouisStevenson, author of ''Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde'' and ''Treasure Island''.
--> "Well, how d'you tell 'em apart?"
--> "Well, that's pretty straightforward. A simple matter of spelling."
--> "Witchcraft?!"
--> "No, not that sort of spelling. They spelt their surnames differently. George and Robert Stephenson spelt it with a 'ph' - the other Robert spelt it with a 'v'."
--> "Oh, I see - 'Vephenson'!"
* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and Ripperologists in particular, for sensationalising UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper as some diabolical mastermind and exploiting his mystery to sell wildly speculative books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
* RealMenWearPink: Andy Heintz performs with his ragged sideburns and handlebar moustache dyed pink.
* SerialKiller: "Occam's Razor" is about Jack the Ripper, or rather, his mythicisation. "Baby Farmer" is about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer Amelia Dyer]].
* SongStyleShift: "Margate Fhtagn" goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' and eventually settles somewhere in the middle.
* {{Steampunk}}: Emphasis on the punk.
* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: "This House Is Not Haunted" ultimately remains ambiguous because the sceptical narrator is thoroughly convinced that the supernatural isn't real and therefore he must be mad.
* TheTropeFormerlyKnownAsX: Following a lawsuit by EMI Records, the album ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk!'' was retitled ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named for Legal Reasons''.
* YoungFutureFamousPeople: No one in "Charlie" takes Charles Darwin's theory of evolution seriously.
BritishMusic, PunkRock, PostHardcore, PostPunk, MusicOfThe2000s, MusicOfThe2010s
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-> The light fascinates.
-> The light compels.
-> The light is a secret electricity in your blood.
--> '''Menaces: Yearning, Burning''', ''VideoGame/SunlessSea''
Light is generally a positive thing. It makes plants grow and sustains the ecosystem. Humans rely on it to see, and while they don't exactly photosynthesise they do require sunlight to synthesise vitamin D in their skin. But more than that, it's just nice to look at. Bright sunny skies, gentle candles, eye-catching glitter, radiant crystals, mesmerising spectacle, enchanting visions... wait. [[ExactWords Some of those words aren't as good as they sound.]]
A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning, and seasonal affective disorder often presents as a yearly pattern of manic behaviour when days are long followed by episodes of depression during the months of less light.
* Jakou in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar 2'' is addicted to light, to the point where he captures slaves to operate his light-generating machinery, motivated by his fear of martial artists empowered by darkness.
* ''Blue Sunny Day'', by Music/JonathanCoulton, is about a vampire who misses the sunrise so much he decides to commit SuicideBySunlight.
* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you fully dissociate from your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''[[MadDreamer require]]'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
--> ''[[EmphasiseEverything Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.]]''
* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an [[SinisterSentientSun artificial sun]], which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
--> ''UN. THE SUN. THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN TH''
* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes discovered when they hint at a desire to emulate their gods on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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-> The light fascinates.
-> The light compels.
-> The light is a secret electricity in your blood.
--> '''Menaces: Yearning, Burning''', ''VideoGame/SunlessSea''
Light is generally a positive thing. It makes plants grow and sustains the ecosystem. Humans rely on it to see, and while they don't exactly photosynthesise they do require sunlight to synthesise vitamin D in their skin. But more than that, it's just nice to look at. Bright sunny skies, gentle candles, eye-catching glitter, radiant crystals, mesmerising spectacle, enchanting visions... wait. [[ExactWords Some of those words aren't as good as they sound.]]
A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning, and seasonal affective disorder often presents as a yearly pattern of manic behaviour when days are long followed by episodes of depression during the months of less light.
* Jakou in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar 2'' is addicted to light, to the point where he captures slaves to operate his light-generating machinery, motivated by his fear of martial artists empowered by darkness.
* ''Blue Sunny Day'', by Music/JonathanCoulton, is about a vampire who misses the sunrise so much he decides to commit SuicideBySunlight.
* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you fully dissociate from your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''[[MadDreamer require]]'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
--> ''[[EmphasiseEverything Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.]]''
* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an [[SinisterSentientSun artificial sun]], which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
--> ''UN. THE SUN. THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN TH''
* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes discovered when they hint at a desire to emulate their gods on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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[[folder:Multi Gendered Outfit]]
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15999363960A69014400&page=38#comment-926
Nonbinary or androgynous characters whose fashion sense simply combines articles of clothing that are each strongly gender-coded in conflicting directions (e.g. Osana Najimi, whose NonUniformUniform is made of the upper half of a boys' and the lower half of a girls').
"It's like a stereotype of what people think being GNC/nonbinary is."
It'd be helpful to have a list somewhere of what kinds of clothing are strongly gendered (hence my attention to GenderedOutfit) but even something like "women wear necklaces, men wear ties" has so many exceptions that ultimately it has to be contextual... especially in works that aren't set in a modern world or urban fantasy setting. If this is a setting where most boys have long hair and girls don't, and most girls wear blue and boys don't, and Jean is an exception to both, that seems like it would be an example with sufficient context.
(In practice, it often has more to do with more specific design choices like fabric, cut, pattern, and (yes) colour scheme. But in any case, it seems inappropriate to try to establish rigid gender categories on the same trope page about deliberately mixing them.)
* LightGirlDarkBoy - lighter hues and more complex decorative patterns, vs dark neutral-toned blocks of colours
* MasculineLinesFeminineCurves - men's clothing is more rigid and angular, women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting
* There's also some kind of complicated historical relation to CampGay, by way of TransEqualsGay, as campy affectations often include breaking gendered fashion norms as part of the style.
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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15999363960A69014400&page=38#comment-926
Nonbinary or androgynous characters whose fashion sense simply combines articles of clothing that are each strongly gender-coded in conflicting directions (e.g. Osana Najimi, whose NonUniformUniform is made of the upper half of a boys' and the lower half of a girls').
"It's like a stereotype of what people think being GNC/nonbinary is."
It'd be helpful to have a list somewhere of what kinds of clothing are strongly gendered (hence my attention to GenderedOutfit) but even something like "women wear necklaces, men wear ties" has so many exceptions that ultimately it has to be contextual... especially in works that aren't set in a modern world or urban fantasy setting. If this is a setting where most boys have long hair and girls don't, and most girls wear blue and boys don't, and Jean is an exception to both, that seems like it would be an example with sufficient context.
(In practice, it often has more to do with more specific design choices like fabric, cut, pattern, and (yes) colour scheme. But in any case, it seems inappropriate to try to establish rigid gender categories on the same trope page about deliberately mixing them.)
* LightGirlDarkBoy - lighter hues and more complex decorative patterns, vs dark neutral-toned blocks of colours
* MasculineLinesFeminineCurves - men's clothing is more rigid and angular, women's clothing is flowy or form-fitting
* There's also some kind of complicated historical relation to CampGay, by way of TransEqualsGay, as campy affectations often include breaking gendered fashion norms as part of the style.
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-> The light fascinates.
-> The light compels.
-> The light is a secret electricity in your blood.
--> '''Menaces: Yearning, Burning''', ''VideoGame/SunlessSea''
Light is generally a positive thing. It makes plants grow and sustains the ecosystem. Humans rely on it to see, and while they don't exactly photosynthesise they do require sunlight to synthesise vitamin D in their skin. But more than that, it's just nice to look at. Bright sunny skies, gentle candles, eye-catching glitter, radiant crystals, mesmerising spectacle, enchanting visions... wait. [[ExactWords Some of those words aren't as good as they sound.]]
A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning, and seasonal affective disorder often presents as a yearly pattern of manic behaviour when days are long followed by episodes of depression during the months of less light.
* Jakou in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar 2'' is addicted to light, to the point where he captures slaves to operate his light-generating machinery, motivated by his fear of martial artists empowered by darkness.
* ''Blue Sunny Day'', by Music/JonathanCoulton, is about a vampire who misses the sunrise so much he decides to commit SuicideBySunlight.
* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you fully dissociate from your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''[[MadDreamer require]]'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
--> ''[[EmphasiseEverything Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.]]''
* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an [[SinisterSentientSun artificial sun]], which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
--> ''UN. THE SUN. THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN TH''
* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes discovered when they hint at a desire to emulate their gods on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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-> The light fascinates.
-> The light compels.
-> The light is a secret electricity in your blood.
--> '''Menaces: Yearning, Burning''', ''VideoGame/SunlessSea''
Light is generally a positive thing. It makes plants grow and sustains the ecosystem. Humans rely on it to see, and while they don't exactly photosynthesise they do require sunlight to synthesise vitamin D in their skin. But more than that, it's just nice to look at. Bright sunny skies, gentle candles, eye-catching glitter, radiant crystals, mesmerising spectacle, enchanting visions... wait. [[ExactWords Some of those words aren't as good as they sound.]]
A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning, and seasonal affective disorder often presents as a yearly pattern of manic behaviour when days are long followed by episodes of depression during the months of less light.
* Jakou in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar 2'' is addicted to light, to the point where he captures slaves to operate his light-generating machinery, motivated by his fear of martial artists empowered by darkness.
* ''Blue Sunny Day'', by Music/JonathanCoulton, is about a vampire who misses the sunrise so much he decides to commit SuicideBySunlight.
* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you fully dissociate from your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''[[MadDreamer require]]'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
--> ''[[EmphasiseEverything Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.]]''
* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an [[SinisterSentientSun artificial sun]], which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
--> ''UN. THE SUN. THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN TH''
* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes discovered when they hint at a desire to emulate their gods on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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** The Prehistoricists have starry-eyed visions of fully-automated luxury Neath communism, starting with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs reanimating mammoths to use as a workforce]] and a far-off dream of an entire ''command ecology'' where every organism has a place and a purpose. (Do we have a trope for techno-utopian futurism?)
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** The Prehistoricists have starry-eyed visions of fully-automated luxury Neath communism, starting with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs reanimating mammoths to use as a workforce]] workforce and a far-off dream of an entire ''command ecology'' where every organism has a place and a purpose. (Do we have a trope for techno-utopian futurism?)
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[[caption-width-right:350:Rubbing the face of the present day in the rotten corpse of its past since 2008.]]
''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in 2008 by Andrew O'Neill (frontperson, vocals and guitar) and Andy Heintz (vocals and saw), joined a year later by Marc Burrows (bass guitar). and Ben Dawson (drums). (Dawson left in 2010 and was replaced by Jez Miller, who left in 2021.) Their music uses the history of Victorian-era Britain for satire and contemporary social commentary; they've self-described it as "crusty punk meets cockney sing-songs meets grindcore in the 1880s", and their more recent albums have drawn increasingly from a variety of punk and alternative music genres.
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-> "''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing!'' If we don't stop them, they could rewrite history - all of history! ''One song at a time...''"
''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in London in 2008 by Andrew
Current members include Andrew O'Neill (they/them, vocals and guitar), Andy Heintz (he/him, vocals and musical saw), and Marc Burrows (he/him, bass guitar). Ben Dawson played drums until he left in 2010, and was replaced by Jez Miller, who remained with the band until 2021.
* AfterlifeExpress: The London Necropolis Railway is the topic of "Third-Class Coffin". The deceased singer is insulted to realise that each of the upper-class dead gets an entire train carriage for their mourners to accompany them, while the poor are stacked like freight.
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* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains left by Prince Albert's dinner.
* CameBackWrong: Queen Victoria used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert as a FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains. It's "Victoria's Secret".
* CameBackWrong: Queen Victoria used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert as a FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains. It's "Victoria's Secret".
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* BrainFever: "Charlie" came home from the tropics babbling insulting nonsense about being descended from monkeys. Too much time in the sun, clearly.
* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains leftby when she brought Prince Albert's Albert his dinner.
* CameBackWrong:Queen Victoria "Victoria's Secret" is that she used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert as a FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains. It's "Victoria's Secret".brains.
* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains left
* CameBackWrong:
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* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists for treating Jack the Ripper as some kind of diabolical master of deception and exploiting his legend to sell books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
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* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists Ripperologists in particular, for treating Jack the Ripper sensationalising UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper as some kind of diabolical master of deception mastermind and exploiting his legend mystery to sell wildly speculative books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
* SerialKiller: "Occam's Razor" is about Jack the Ripper, or rather, his mythicisation. "Baby Farmer" is about [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Dyer Amelia Dyer]].
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* YoungFutureFamousPeople: No one in "Charlie" takes Charles Darwin's theory of evolution seriously.
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[[caption-width-right:350:Rubbing the face of the present day in the rotten corpse of its past since 2008.]]
[[caption-width-right:350:Rubbing the face of the present day in the rotten corpse of its past since 2008.]]
* AIIsACrapshoot: "Vive La Difference Engine" indicates that Babbage actually completed the difference engine, but kept it secret out of some vague premonition of the future of computing - not for fear of thinking machines themselves, but that the technology would fall into the wrong hands before it could be perfected.
--> ''Vive la Difference Engine, Engine!''
--> ''Lurking in a limehouse backstreet shed!''
--> ''Future events are set in motion - ''
--> ''Watch the machine's first faltering steps!''
--> ''Vive la Difference Engine, Engine!''
--> ''Lurking in a limehouse backstreet shed!''
--> ''Future events are set in motion - ''
--> ''Watch the machine's first faltering steps!''
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* CameBackWrong: "Victoria's Secret" is that her beloved Prince Albert returned from beyond the grave as a FleshEatingZombie and she keeps him in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
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* BringMyBrownPants: Queen Victoria's black mourning attire disguises the bloodstains left by Prince Albert's dinner.
* CameBackWrong:"Victoria's Secret" is that her beloved Queen Victoria used occult forces to bring back Prince Albert returned from beyond the grave as a FleshEatingZombie and FleshEatingZombie, whom she keeps him in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.brains. It's "Victoria's Secret".
* CameBackWrong:
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* HauntedHouse: Subverted. "This House Is Not Haunted". There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the bumps in the night to the shadowy figure standing over
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* HauntedHouse: Subverted. "This House Is Not Haunted". Haunted." There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the cold draft in the hallway to the mysterious bumps in the night to night... so [[DoubleSubversion surely there must also be one]] for the shadowy figure [[BloodyHorror bleeding walls]] and the [[SleepParalysisCreature midnight shadow standing overin the bedroom]].
* ILoveTheDead: "Victoria's Secret" is that she loved Prince Albert too much not to try to revive him with witchcraft and voodoo.
* ILoveTheDead: "Victoria's Secret" is that she loved Prince Albert too much not to try to revive him with witchcraft and voodoo.
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* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in "This House Is Not Haunted" attempts to reassure himself that "Everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
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* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in "This House Is Not Haunted" attempts becomes increasingly desperate to reassure himself that "Everything's "everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".afterlife''".
* MadwomanInTheAttic: Zombie Prince Albert, whom Queen Victoria keeps in the basement.
* OneSteveLimit: "Steph(v)enson" is about George and Robert Stephenson, the father and son who co-invented the first commercial steam locomotive; not to be confused with Robert Stevenson, a lighthouse engineer who ''also'' worked on trains; not to be confused with Creator/RobertLouisStevenson, author of ''Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde'' and ''Treasure Island''.
--> "Well, how d'you tell 'em apart?"
--> "Well, that's pretty straightforward. A simple matter of spelling."
--> "Witchcraft?!"
--> "No, not that sort of spelling. They spelt their surnames differently. George and Robert Stephenson spelt it with a 'ph' - the other Robert spelt it with a 'v'."
--> "Oh, I see - 'Vephenson'!"
* MadwomanInTheAttic: Zombie Prince Albert, whom Queen Victoria keeps in the basement.
* OneSteveLimit: "Steph(v)enson" is about George and Robert Stephenson, the father and son who co-invented the first commercial steam locomotive; not to be confused with Robert Stevenson, a lighthouse engineer who ''also'' worked on trains; not to be confused with Creator/RobertLouisStevenson, author of ''Doctor Jekyll and Mister Hyde'' and ''Treasure Island''.
--> "Well, how d'you tell 'em apart?"
--> "Well, that's pretty straightforward. A simple matter of spelling."
--> "Witchcraft?!"
--> "No, not that sort of spelling. They spelt their surnames differently. George and Robert Stephenson spelt it with a 'ph' - the other Robert spelt it with a 'v'."
--> "Oh, I see - 'Vephenson'!"
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* RealMenWearPink: Andy Heintz performs with his ragged sideburns and handlebar moustache dyed pink.
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! Tropes:
* CameBackWrong: ''Victoria's Secret'' is that her beloved Prince Albert returned from beyond the grave as a FleshEatingZombie and she keeps him in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* CrappyCarnival: ''The Worst Sideshow Ever'' is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: ''Margate Fhtagn'' resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by the tentacle!''\\
! Tropes:
* CameBackWrong: ''Victoria's Secret'' is that her beloved Prince Albert returned from beyond the grave as a FleshEatingZombie and she keeps him in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* CrappyCarnival: ''The Worst Sideshow Ever'' is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: ''Margate Fhtagn'' resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by the tentacle!''\\
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[[folder:Music/ The Men Who That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing]]
! Tropes:
Nothing]]
''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in 2008 by Andrew O'Neill (frontperson, vocals and guitar) and Andy Heintz (vocals and saw), joined a year later by Marc Burrows (bass guitar). and Ben Dawson (drums). (Dawson left in 2010 and was replaced by Jez Miller, who left in 2021.) Their music uses the history of Victorian-era Britain for satire and contemporary social commentary; they've self-described it as "crusty punk meets cockney sing-songs meets grindcore in the 1880s", and their more recent albums have drawn increasingly from a variety of punk and alternative music genres.
!! Discography:
* ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named For Legal Reasons'' [[note]]Originally released as ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk! Volume 1'', until the trademark owners of ''Now That's What I Call Music!'' sued them for infringement[[/note]] (2010)
* ''A Very Steampunk Christmas EP'' (2010)
* ''Anachrony in the UK: Live in London'' (2011)
* ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Killed By Conventional Weapons'' (2012)
* ''The Gin Song/Third-Class Coffin EP'' (2013)
* ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' (2015)
* ''Double Negative'' (2018)
!! These are the tropes that will not be listed for nothing:
* AmazonChaser: "Goggles" sings the praises of women who can win fistfights and strip engines.
* AnachronisticSoundtrack: "Sewer" and "Free Spirit" both had special releases on wax cylinders, the first audio-recording format invented, which had been obsolete for decades.
* CameBackWrong:''Victoria's Secret'' "Victoria's Secret" is that her beloved Prince Albert returned from beyond the grave as a FleshEatingZombie and she keeps him in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* TheCameo: [[Series/DoctorWho Sylvester McCoy]] voices the intro to ''...Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong: Everyone in "Margate Fhtagn" treats Cthulhu devouring everyone who goes for a swim as a nuisance on the same level as high temperatures and sore feet; the Nan is the only one whining about it all, and everyone is happier when she gets eaten.
* CrappyCarnival:''The "The Worst Sideshow Ever'' Ever" is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* CreepyDoll: The cover of ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' features two large relatively normal dolls, and a third smaller one sitting between them with a [[VaginaDentata toothy vertical slit mouth]] and a long ManiacTongue.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu:''Margate Fhtagn'' "Margate Fhtagn" resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by thetentacle!''\\tentacle!''
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''The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing'' is a {{Steampunk}} band formed in 2008 by Andrew O'Neill (frontperson, vocals and guitar) and Andy Heintz (vocals and saw), joined a year later by Marc Burrows (bass guitar). and Ben Dawson (drums). (Dawson left in 2010 and was replaced by Jez Miller, who left in 2021.) Their music uses the history of Victorian-era Britain for satire and contemporary social commentary; they've self-described it as "crusty punk meets cockney sing-songs meets grindcore in the 1880s", and their more recent albums have drawn increasingly from a variety of punk and alternative music genres.
!! Discography:
* ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named For Legal Reasons'' [[note]]Originally released as ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk! Volume 1'', until the trademark owners of ''Now That's What I Call Music!'' sued them for infringement[[/note]] (2010)
* ''A Very Steampunk Christmas EP'' (2010)
* ''Anachrony in the UK: Live in London'' (2011)
* ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Killed By Conventional Weapons'' (2012)
* ''The Gin Song/Third-Class Coffin EP'' (2013)
* ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' (2015)
* ''Double Negative'' (2018)
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* AmazonChaser: "Goggles" sings the praises of women who can win fistfights and strip engines.
* AnachronisticSoundtrack: "Sewer" and "Free Spirit" both had special releases on wax cylinders, the first audio-recording format invented, which had been obsolete for decades.
* CameBackWrong:
* TheCameo: [[Series/DoctorWho Sylvester McCoy]] voices the intro to ''...Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong: Everyone in "Margate Fhtagn" treats Cthulhu devouring everyone who goes for a swim as a nuisance on the same level as high temperatures and sore feet; the Nan is the only one whining about it all, and everyone is happier when she gets eaten.
* CrappyCarnival:
* CreepyDoll: The cover of ''Not Your Typical Victorians'' features two large relatively normal dolls, and a third smaller one sitting between them with a [[VaginaDentata toothy vertical slit mouth]] and a long ManiacTongue.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu:
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* TheFreakshow: ''The Worst Sideshow Ever'' doesn't actually have any freaks and the audience finds its pickled gherkins with fake eyes and ears glued on unconvincing.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted. ''This House Is Not Haunted''. There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the bumps in the night to the shadowy figure standing over
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of idiosyncratic Victorian superheroes on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing [[ImmuneToBullets Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons]]''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in ''This House Is Not Haunted'' attempts to reassure himself that "Everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* SongStyleShift: ''Margate Fhtagn'' goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' that eventually ends somewhere in the middle.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted. ''This House Is Not Haunted''. There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the bumps in the night to the shadowy figure standing over
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of idiosyncratic Victorian superheroes on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing [[ImmuneToBullets Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons]]''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in ''This House Is Not Haunted'' attempts to reassure himself that "Everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* SongStyleShift: ''Margate Fhtagn'' goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' that eventually ends somewhere in the middle.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: In "Margate Fhtagn", Nan insisted on coming on vacation and spends the entire time complaining about everything... so Pa tricks her into getting eaten by Cthulhu. The lingering question of how he knew what an Elder God was suggests he may have [[BatmanGambit anticipated this when he planned the trip]].
* TheFreakshow:''The "The Worst Sideshow Ever'' Ever" doesn't actually have any freaks and the audience finds its pickled gherkins with fake eyes and ears glued on unconvincing.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted.''This "This House Is Not Haunted''.Haunted". There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the bumps in the night to the shadowy figure standing over
* ImmuneToBullets: ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group ofidiosyncratic anti-establishment Victorian superheroes time travellers on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing [[ImmuneToBullets Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons]]''.
Weapons''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in''This "This House Is Not Haunted'' Haunted" attempts to reassure himself that "Everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists for treating Jack the Ripper as some kind of diabolical master of deception and exploiting his legend to sell books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
* SongStyleShift:''Margate Fhtagn'' "Margate Fhtagn" goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' that and eventually ends settles somewhere in the middle.
* TheFreakshow:
* HauntedHouse: Subverted.
* ImmuneToBullets: ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons''.
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in
* PoliceAreUseless: "Occam's Razor" is a tirade against true crime enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists for treating Jack the Ripper as some kind of diabolical master of deception and exploiting his legend to sell books, rather than admitting he was probably nobody special and the police didn't do their jobs.
* SongStyleShift:
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* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: ''This House Is Not Haunted'' ultimately remains ambiguous because the sceptical narrator is thoroughly convinced that the supernatural isn't real and therefore he must be mad.
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* CameBackWrong: ''Victoria's Secret'' is that her beloved Prince Albert returned from beyond the grave as a FleshEatingZombie and she keeps him in the palace basement, sating his hunger with commoners' brains.
* CrappyCarnival: ''The Worst Sideshow Ever'' is trying to pass off a slightly overweight man as the Astounding Blob, a goat with a hunting trophy strapped to its arse as a Pushme-Pullyou, a girl in a sleeping bag as Lady Caterpillar, etc.
* DidWeJustHaveTeaWithCthulhu: ''Margate Fhtagn'' resolves this way after the obstinate vacationers respond to R'lyeh surfacing off the coast of Margate with a StiffUpperLip.
--> ''The next time I see that deity I'll shake him by the tentacle!''\\
--> ''I'll call him my friend, I'll thank him again, and buy the old bugger a pint!''
* TheFreakshow: ''The Worst Sideshow Ever'' doesn't actually have any freaks and the audience finds its pickled gherkins with fake eyes and ears glued on unconvincing.
* HauntedHouse: Subverted. ''This House Is Not Haunted''. There's a perfectly scientific explanation for everything from the bumps in the night to the shadowy figure standing over
* LiteraryAllusionTitle: The band takes its name from the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulston_Street_graffito Goulston Street graffito]], sometimes claimed to be a clue to the identity of Jack the Ripper: "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing". The band treats it like the name of a group of idiosyncratic Victorian superheroes on the album ''This May Be The Reason Why The Men That Will Not Be Blamed For Nothing [[ImmuneToBullets Cannot Be Harmed By Conventional Weapons]]''.
* MadnessMantra: The sceptic in ''This House Is Not Haunted'' attempts to reassure himself that "Everything's alright - ''no God, no ghosts, no afterlife''".
* SongStyleShift: ''Margate Fhtagn'' goes back and forth between 'jaunty seaside tune' and 'guttural cosmic horror black metal' that eventually ends somewhere in the middle.
* {{Steampunk}}: Emphasis on the punk.
* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: ''This House Is Not Haunted'' ultimately remains ambiguous because the sceptical narrator is thoroughly convinced that the supernatural isn't real and therefore he must be mad.
* TheTropeFormerlyKnownAsX: Following a lawsuit by EMI Records, the album ''Now That's What I Call Steampunk!'' was retitled ''The Steampunk Album That Cannot Be Named for Legal Reasons''.
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TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning.
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TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning.
suntanning, and seasonal affective disorder often presents as a yearly pattern of manic behaviour when days are long followed by episodes of depression during the months of less light.
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* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you take leave of your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''require'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
--> ''Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.''
--> ''Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.''
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* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you take leave of fully dissociate from your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''require'' ''[[MadDreamer require]]'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
-->''Light ''[[EmphasiseEverything Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.'']]''
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* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you take leave of your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric lore of Moth and Lantern, which can ''require'' Fascination to study them... and can be used to stave off its counterpart Dread, the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
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* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you take leave of your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric lore principles of Moth and Lantern, which can ''require'' Fascination in order to study them... and it can also be used to stave off its counterpart Dread, counterpart, [[LightDarknessJuxtaposition Dread]], the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
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* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes revealed by mentioning a desire to emulate them on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes revealed by mentioning discovered when they hint at a desire to emulate them their gods on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an artificial sun, which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
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* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an [[SinisterSentientSun artificial sun, sun]], which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
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A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, ThePyromaniac - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
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A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, ThePyromaniac {{Pyromaniac}} - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
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-> The light fascinates.
-> The light compels.
-> The light is a secret electricity in your blood.
--> '''Menaces: Yearning, Burning''', ''VideoGame/SunlessSea''
Light is generally a positive thing. It makes plants grow and sustains the ecosystem. Humans rely on it to see, and while they don't exactly photosynthesise they do require sunlight to synthesise vitamin D in their skin. But more than that, it's just nice to look at. Bright sunny skies, gentle candles, eye-catching glitter, radiant crystals, mesmerising spectacle, enchanting visions... wait. [[ExactWords Some of those words aren't as good as they sound.]]
A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, ThePyromaniac - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning.
* Jakou in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar 2'' is addicted to light, to the point where he captures slaves to operate his light-generating machinery, motivated by his fear of martial artists empowered by darkness.
* ''Blue Sunny Day'', by Music/JonathanCoulton, is about a vampire who misses the sunrise so much he decides to commit SuicideBySunlight.
* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you take leave of your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric lore of Moth and Lantern, which can ''require'' Fascination to study them... and can be used to stave off its counterpart Dread, the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
-> ''Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.''
* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an artificial sun, which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
-> ''UN. THE SUN. THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN TH''
* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes revealed by mentioning a desire to emulate them on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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-> The light fascinates.
-> The light compels.
-> The light is a secret electricity in your blood.
--> '''Menaces: Yearning, Burning''', ''VideoGame/SunlessSea''
Light is generally a positive thing. It makes plants grow and sustains the ecosystem. Humans rely on it to see, and while they don't exactly photosynthesise they do require sunlight to synthesise vitamin D in their skin. But more than that, it's just nice to look at. Bright sunny skies, gentle candles, eye-catching glitter, radiant crystals, mesmerising spectacle, enchanting visions... wait. [[ExactWords Some of those words aren't as good as they sound.]]
A subtrope of LightIsNotGood, which turns the light into a symbol or representation of addiction - to fame and attention, to material wealth, to hallucinogens, to toxic positivity, or just to one's own self-image. GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul can be just as unnerving when someone does it to themselves. Supertrope of AlluringAnglerfish. Compare FantasticDrug, EverythingsBetterWithSparkles, ThePyromaniac - and MacabreMothMotif, as the source of the idiom "like a moth to a flame".
TruthInTelevision, to the extent that people have been known to become addicted to suntanning.
* Jakou in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar 2'' is addicted to light, to the point where he captures slaves to operate his light-generating machinery, motivated by his fear of martial artists empowered by darkness.
* ''Blue Sunny Day'', by Music/JonathanCoulton, is about a vampire who misses the sunrise so much he decides to commit SuicideBySunlight.
* ''VideoGame/CultistSimulator'' threatens the player character with Fascination, which represents letting your obsession with the occult get in the way of trivialities like "remembering to eat and sleep" until you take leave of your senses. It's particularly associated with the esoteric lore of Moth and Lantern, which can ''require'' Fascination to study them... and can be used to stave off its counterpart Dread, the feeling of existential depression and resignation to the bleakness of mundane life.
-> ''Light LEAKS through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.''
* The city of ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'' is deep underground, and many inhabitants of the Neath find that they are desperate for the simple touch of the sun again - even if it has a good chance of eventually killing them. [[spoiler:Because sunlight enforces natural law, which is [[RealityIsOutToLunch easy to break in the Neath by accident]].]] Smugglers bring Mirror-Catch Boxes to the surface to fill them with sunbeams and sell at extortionate prices - sometimes cutting it with moonlight, which is safer but less satisfying and has stranger side-effects - and the cult-like New Sequence is trying to build an artificial sun, which must be working because its light has similar effects despite its sickly appearance.
-> ''UN. THE SUN. THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN! THE SUN TH''
* The Dreamers of ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'' are universe-ending eldritch horrors with a motif of TheStarsAreGoingOut, and their cultists are sometimes revealed by mentioning a desire to emulate them on a scale they can manage - whether by peacefully meditating on the image of devouring the sun a single bite at a time, or taking to [[HorrorHunger eating flies]] and imagining each one as a tiny spark, for practice.
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* Characters/Drakengard3: TheDollEpisode: Her boss fights, novel, and DLC focus around her love of dolls. Whether it's making them or creating monsters that she has the same amount of love for. Her main daemon is the doll angels Armisael. '''I'm going to avoid the question of what the difference between an episode and a chapter is, but I can see an argument that sidequests in general and Drakengard's use of AnotherSideAnotherStory in particular could count as episodic..'''
* Film/Amusement: TheDollEpisode: Tabitha's Babysitter plot in Act 2 has her being surrounded and creeped out by clown dolls.
* Characters/BattleRoyale: TheDollEpisode: She still keeps her doll even after winning battle royale, but it's blood-splattered by now as a symbol for her SubvertedInnocence. In ''Requiem'' she uses her doll [[spoiler:to hide explosives to kill soldiers]].
* VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV: TheDollEpisode: When Cecil first goes underground, he passes by Princess Luca, who can't find her dolls. It turns out that Golbez is controlling them via magic, and he sends them after King Giott's crystal. They're [[CreepyDoll creepy enough]] alone (in part because they're apparently a [[TheDividual hexavidual]], but they just become horrifying once [[CombiningMecha they combine into the Calcobrina]]. '''Potholing CreepyDoll in the TheDollEpisode example makes me realise I should probably do a count of how many of these pages are already wicks for both.'''
* Film/Poltergeist1982: TheDollEpisode: A large clown doll figures prominently in one scare scene.
* VideoGame/ShadowHearts: TheDollEpisode: Each ''Shadow Hearts'' game has a Doll House sidequest. '''Another one for the "is a sidequest an episode" question.'''
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* Characters/Drakengard3: TheDollEpisode: Her boss fights, novel, and DLC focus around her love of dolls. Whether it's making them or creating monsters that she has the same amount of love for. Her main daemon is the doll angels Armisael. '''I'm going to avoid the question of what the difference between an episode and a chapter is, but I can see an argument that sidequests in general and Drakengard's use of AnotherSideAnotherStory in particular could count as episodic..'''
* Film/Amusement: TheDollEpisode: Tabitha's Babysitter plot in Act 2 has her being surrounded and creeped out by clown dolls.
* Characters/BattleRoyale: TheDollEpisode: She still keeps her doll even after winning battle royale, but it's blood-splattered by now as a symbol for her SubvertedInnocence. In ''Requiem'' she uses her doll [[spoiler:to hide explosives to kill soldiers]].
* VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV: TheDollEpisode: When Cecil first goes underground, he passes by Princess Luca, who can't find her dolls. It turns out that Golbez is controlling them via magic, and he sends them after King Giott's crystal. They're [[CreepyDoll creepy enough]] alone (in part because they're apparently a [[TheDividual hexavidual]], but they just become horrifying once [[CombiningMecha they combine into the Calcobrina]]. '''Potholing CreepyDoll in the TheDollEpisode example makes me realise I should probably do a count of how many of these pages are already wicks for both.'''
* Film/Poltergeist1982: TheDollEpisode: A large clown doll figures prominently in one scare scene.
* VideoGame/ShadowHearts: TheDollEpisode: Each ''Shadow Hearts'' game has a Doll House sidequest. '''Another one for the "is a sidequest an episode" question.'''
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* Characters/Drakengard3: TheDollEpisode: Her boss fights, novel, and DLC focus around her love of dolls. Whether it's making them or creating monstersI just rediscovered that she has the same amount I wrote TheHollywoodFormula many years ago, and... well. It certainly isn't thriving, and in hindsight I'm concerned about plagiarism issues. (I don't remember any copy-pasting being involved, but it was based very closely off of love for. Her main daemon is the doll angels Armisael. '''I'm going to avoid the question of what the difference between an episode of Podcast/WritingExcuses, using the same examples and a chapter is, but I can see an argument that sidequests in general and Drakengard's use of AnotherSideAnotherStory in particular could count as episodic..'''
* Film/Amusement: TheDollEpisode: Tabitha's Babysitter plot in Act 2 has her being surrounded and creeped out by clown dolls.
* Characters/BattleRoyale: TheDollEpisode: She still keeps her doll even after winning battle royale, but it's blood-splattered by now as a symbol for her SubvertedInnocence. In ''Requiem'' she uses her doll [[spoiler:to hide explosives to kill soldiers]].
* VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV: TheDollEpisode: When Cecil first goes underground, he passes by Princess Luca, who can't find her dolls. It turns out that Golbez is controlling them via magic, and he sends them after King Giott's crystal. They're [[CreepyDoll creepy enough]] alone (in part because they're apparently a [[TheDividual hexavidual]], but they just become horrifying once [[CombiningMecha they combine into the Calcobrina]]. '''Potholing CreepyDoll in the TheDollEpisode example makes me realise I shouldprobably do similar phrasing. [[SarcasmMode I cited my sources though, that fixes everything, right?]])
I think there's acount of how many of these pages are already wicks for both.'''
solid ScriptSpeak page there still, but I'm not sure I could rebuild it on my own as completely as I think it would need.
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*Film/Poltergeist1982: TheDollEpisode: A large clown doll figures prominently in one scare scene.
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* Characters/Drakengard3: TheDollEpisode: Her boss fights, novel, and DLC focus around her love of dolls. Whether it's making them or creating monsters
* Film/Amusement: TheDollEpisode: Tabitha's Babysitter plot in Act 2 has her being surrounded and creeped out by clown dolls.
* Characters/BattleRoyale: TheDollEpisode: She still keeps her doll even after winning battle royale, but it's blood-splattered by now as a symbol for her SubvertedInnocence. In ''Requiem'' she uses her doll [[spoiler:to hide explosives to kill soldiers]].
* VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV: TheDollEpisode: When Cecil first goes underground, he passes by Princess Luca, who can't find her dolls. It turns out that Golbez is controlling them via magic, and he sends them after King Giott's crystal. They're [[CreepyDoll creepy enough]] alone (in part because they're apparently a [[TheDividual hexavidual]], but they just become horrifying once [[CombiningMecha they combine into the Calcobrina]]. '''Potholing CreepyDoll in the TheDollEpisode example makes me realise I should
I think there's a
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* Fanfic/PowerRangersTakeFlight: TheDollEpisode: "Yesterday's Trash." The MonsterOfTheWeek takes the form of the Blue Ranger's old teddy bear. '''Thanks for making this sort easy.'''
* SubcultureOfTheWeek: ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': Yet another episode involved the owners of [[TheDollEpisode adult dolls]] (although it turned out that the doll ownership was irrelevant to the murder). Basically, ''CSI: NY'', like all of the shows in the Series/CSIVerse, is pretty much in love with this trope. '''I'm not actually sure if this is creepier than usual for a police procedural.'''
* TheTwilightZone1959/TropesAToH: TheDollEpisode:
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS3E98TheDummy The Dummy]]", Jerry Etherson is haunted by his dummy Willie, whom he is convinced is alive and is trying to take over the act.
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E126LivingDoll Living Doll]]", Erich Streator is tormented by his stepdaughter Christie's doll Talky Tina, who continually tells him that she is going to kill him.
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E148CaesarAndMe Caesar and Me]]", Jonathan West's ventriloquist's dummy Caesar manipulates him into performing several robberies instead of finding honest work while they are waiting for their big break. He later abandons him, leading everyone to believe that Jonathan is insane, and teams up with an [[EnfanteTerrible evil little girl]] named Susan.
* Recap/ArrowS2E3BrokenDolls: TheDollEpisode: Involving a SerialKiller who turns women into human dolls. '''Does seem potentially darker-than-usual for a superhero show.'''
* Manga/HanakoAndTheTerrorOfAllegory: TheDollEpisode: Mary, an allegory that manipulates discarded dolls, gets a three-part chapter.
* Recap/RoundTheTwist: "Toy Love": Linda throws out an old doll named Veronique -- and soon regrets it when [[TheDollEpisode Veronique comes to life]] to get revenge on her master. Meanwhile, Gribbs becomes the newest owner of ''The Viking Book of Love'' and falls for Linda.
* Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E148CaesarAndMe: TheDollEpisode: Caesar manipulates Jonathan into performing several robberies instead of finding honest work while they are waiting for their big break. '''A repeat example.'''
* Characters/GhostAdventures: TheDollEpisode: The Island of the Doll's reputation of haunted/cursed dolls '''Almost a ZCE. Also confused why this is on a character page, even in a section for miscellaneous spirits and demons.'''
* Recap/MurdochMysteriesS5E11MurdochInToyland: TheDollEpisode: The villain uses dolls to send Murdoch clues and creepy messages. '''This recap page has four tropes and no recap.'''
* NightmareFuel/TalesToGiveYouGoosebumps: "Broken Dolls": This is another story that runs on the NothingIsScarier trope. We know the old woman did ''something'' to Tamara's brother, but we aren't told directly if she was trying to [[TheDollEpisode turn him into a doll]] or if she was ''stealing his soul'' to give one of her doll's perfect features. '''ToyTransmutation would be a more appropriate pothole.'''
* Series/GoseiSentaiDairanger: TheDollEpisode: Featuring everyone's favorite [[LargeHam King of the Large Hams]], General Cactus! And an angry Daigo. [[spoiler:With the dolls being played by paralyzed human girls.]]
* Fanfic/PowerRangersTakeFlight: TheDollEpisode: "Yesterday's Trash." The MonsterOfTheWeek takes the form of the Blue Ranger's old teddy bear. '''Thanks for making this sort easy.'''
* SubcultureOfTheWeek: ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': Yet another episode involved the owners of [[TheDollEpisode adult dolls]] (although it turned out that the doll ownership was irrelevant to the murder). Basically, ''CSI: NY'', like all of the shows in the Series/CSIVerse, is pretty much in love with this trope. '''I'm not actually sure if this is creepier than usual for a police procedural.'''
* TheTwilightZone1959/TropesAToH: TheDollEpisode:
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS3E98TheDummy The Dummy]]", Jerry Etherson is haunted by his dummy Willie, whom he is convinced is alive and is trying to take over the act.
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E126LivingDoll Living Doll]]", Erich Streator is tormented by his stepdaughter Christie's doll Talky Tina, who continually tells him that she is going to kill him.
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E148CaesarAndMe Caesar and Me]]", Jonathan West's ventriloquist's dummy Caesar manipulates him into performing several robberies instead of finding honest work while they are waiting for their big break. He later abandons him, leading everyone to believe that Jonathan is insane, and teams up with an [[EnfanteTerrible evil little girl]] named Susan.
* Recap/ArrowS2E3BrokenDolls: TheDollEpisode: Involving a SerialKiller who turns women into human dolls. '''Does seem potentially darker-than-usual for a superhero show.'''
* Manga/HanakoAndTheTerrorOfAllegory: TheDollEpisode: Mary, an allegory that manipulates discarded dolls, gets a three-part chapter.
* Recap/RoundTheTwist: "Toy Love": Linda throws out an old doll named Veronique -- and soon regrets it when [[TheDollEpisode Veronique comes to life]] to get revenge on her master. Meanwhile, Gribbs becomes the newest owner of ''The Viking Book of Love'' and falls for Linda.
* Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E148CaesarAndMe: TheDollEpisode: Caesar manipulates Jonathan into performing several robberies instead of finding honest work while they are waiting for their big break. '''A repeat example.'''
* Characters/GhostAdventures: TheDollEpisode: The Island of the Doll's reputation of haunted/cursed dolls '''Almost a ZCE. Also confused why this is on a character page, even in a section for miscellaneous spirits and demons.'''
* Recap/MurdochMysteriesS5E11MurdochInToyland: TheDollEpisode: The villain uses dolls to send Murdoch clues and creepy messages. '''This recap page has four tropes and no recap.'''
* NightmareFuel/TalesToGiveYouGoosebumps: "Broken Dolls": This is another story that runs on the NothingIsScarier trope. We know the old woman did ''something'' to Tamara's brother, but we aren't told directly if she was trying to [[TheDollEpisode turn him into a doll]] or if she was ''stealing his soul'' to give one of her doll's perfect features. '''ToyTransmutation would be a more appropriate pothole.'''
* Series/GoseiSentaiDairanger: TheDollEpisode: Featuring everyone's favorite [[LargeHam King of the Large Hams]], General Cactus! And an angry Daigo. [[spoiler:With the dolls being played by paralyzed human girls.]]
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* Fanfic/PowerRangersTakeFlight: TheDollEpisode: "Yesterday's Trash." The MonsterOfTheWeek takes
[[folder:Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists / Underground Social Services (Warning: MESS)]]
->"When I give food to the
-->-- '''Hélder Câmara''', Archbishop of Olinda and Recife
Revolutionary groups, [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters whether heroic or villainous]], depicted as good for the community.
Revolutions are ''hard''. Most people are understandably reluctant to risk their lives for a passionate speech and a noble cause unless they're sure it'll actually accomplish something. Someone has to
A rebellion that ''isn't'' prepared its own infrastructure ahead of time is likely to end up [[FullCircleRevolution emulating the same system that it was supposed to overthrow]] out of simple momentum.
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* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=146#comment-3648]]: I noticed a while ago that Bomb-Throwing Anarchists has a great description that starts by contextualising the trope in its historical origins... but then you get to the bottom and the only trope it can offer for contrast is Revolutionaries Who Don't Do Anything.
** I feel like there's a little conceptual space left over between "indiscriminately violent" and "completely ineffective", but ironically I'm not sure if I can think of enough examples to figure out if they constitute a trope of their own. (I can find a few adjacent tropes - Commune, Velvet Revolution, Actual Pacifist.) Weird, and rather discouraging. Reading the examples of Bomb-Throwing Anarchists and Anarchy Is Chaos for subversions and aversions to see if there are any commonalities.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=146#comment-3649]]: In-between depictions are likely to be captured by one of the
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3655]]: It isn't "in-between" that I feel is missing so much as "different focus". I know how common it is to have the viewpoint characters only show up to the revolution when the violence is about to start (or only learn about the conspiracy when it's on the verge of success, depending on the story), for
* SubcultureOfTheWeek: ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': Yet another episode involved
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3658]]: I think I get what you're trying to get across. One idea that may work then would be a trope that depicts revolutionary groups as genuinely good for their community. This goes a step farther than Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters (and may exist at the same time as that) since it's not just saying that "depending on what side you're on, you may view revolutionary groups as good or bad", it's a depiction that focuses on how even if perceptions of the group differ, the groups are objectively helping and serving the people by providing the public goods/services traditionally offered by the gov't that the
** Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters is the trope that's closest to that idea and may actually cover a lot of what you want to discuss. That said, that trope is written from the perspective that these community-serving actions are mostly done for practical reasons and not really altruistic ones; and the focus is on the portrayal of this gang to other gangs, not the contrast of helpful but technically criminal orgs (a revolutionary group often has to break existing law to cause a revolution) and malevolent or indifferent to the
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3666]]: Yes exactly! I forgot Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters existed but I've been thinking about this as Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists in my head because Spider-Man; maybe something like Underground Social Services might be more specific though, depending. Back-Alley Doctor is probably relevant (offhand, Monster, Hotel Artemis, Johnny Mnemonic have organisations that would fit both if I remember right). If I can find enough examples for it, of course.
!!Examples:
* ''Series/LeverageRedemption'' - After the original Series/{{Leverage}} ended, Hardison started putting his hacking skills to work running interference for human rights organisations. Much as he wants to crack open some security systems when the team gets back together for some more heists, after the first job he admits he can't afford to divide his attention between two projects at once - and keeping Sri Lanka's economy stable long enough that refugees can safely evacuate is a higher priority than playing Robin Hood.
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* ''Literature/TheCulture'', I think, I've never gotten around to actually reading it.
* Periodic jokes in ''Webcomic/ExistentialComics'', unsurprisingly.
* ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'''s Great Hellbound Railway storyline started exploring some of the internal politics of the Revolutionaries. There are three factions in the Tracklayer's Union, all of whom share a goal but :
** The Liberationists, including the
** The Emancipationists are just looking to establish a free and independent city of their own, but have no specific plans beyond that, even to [[CallousnessTowardsEmergency prevent the tyrants they're fleeing from hurting anyone else]].
** The Prehistoricists have starry-eyed visions of fully-automated luxury Neath communism, starting with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs reanimating mammoths to use as a workforce]] and a far-off dream of an entire ''command ecology'' where every organism has a place and a purpose. (Do we have a trope for techno-utopian futurism?)
* ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail'''s mediaeval anarcho-syndicalist commune, presented as whiny and cynical as well as [[InsufferableGenius obnoxiously literate]].
* ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope'' has the Divine Mandate of Siberia, a group of unimportant and remote territories who unexpectedly unify into a Christian Socialist government as a surprise mid-game shift in regional politics; it's a genuinely good place to live, especially in [[CrapsackWorld this
* ''VideoGame/TheOuterWorlds'' - Adelaide McDevitt has occupied the Botanical Gardens and turned it into a commune for deserters from [[CompanyTown Edgewater]] albeit one with a [[TownWithADarkSecret distasteful (if not actually
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[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=186#comment-4637]]: Is there a
* TheTwilightZone1959/TropesAToH: TheDollEpisode:
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS3E98TheDummy The Dummy]]", Jerry Etherson
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E126LivingDoll Living Doll]]", Erich Streator is tormented by his stepdaughter Christie's doll Talky Tina, who continually tells him
** In "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E148CaesarAndMe Caesar
* Recap/ArrowS2E3BrokenDolls: TheDollEpisode: Involving a SerialKiller who turns women into human dolls. '''Does seem potentially darker-than-usual for a superhero show.'''
* Manga/HanakoAndTheTerrorOfAllegory: TheDollEpisode: Mary, an allegory that manipulates discarded dolls, gets a three-part chapter.
* Recap/RoundTheTwist: "Toy Love": Linda throws out an old doll named Veronique -- and soon regrets it when [[TheDollEpisode Veronique comes to life]] to get revenge on her master. Meanwhile, Gribbs becomes
* Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E148CaesarAndMe: TheDollEpisode: Caesar manipulates Jonathan into performing several robberies instead of finding honest work while they are waiting for their big break. '''A repeat example.'''
* Characters/GhostAdventures: TheDollEpisode: The Island of the Doll's reputation of haunted/cursed dolls '''Almost a ZCE. Also confused why this is on a character page, even in a section for miscellaneous spirits and demons.'''
* Recap/MurdochMysteriesS5E11MurdochInToyland: TheDollEpisode: The villain uses dolls to send Murdoch clues and creepy messages. '''This recap page has four tropes and no recap.'''
* NightmareFuel/TalesToGiveYouGoosebumps: "Broken Dolls": This is another story that runs on the NothingIsScarier trope. We know the old woman did ''something'' to Tamara's brother, but we aren't told directly if she was trying to [[TheDollEpisode turn him into a doll]] or if she was ''stealing his soul'' to give one of her doll's perfect features. '''ToyTransmutation would be a more appropriate pothole.'''
* Series/GoseiSentaiDairanger: TheDollEpisode: Featuring everyone's favorite [[LargeHam King of the Large Hams]], General Cactus! And an angry Daigo. [[spoiler:With the dolls being played by paralyzed human girls.]]
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* NightmareFuel.TreehouseOfHorror: ''Clown Without Pity'': TheDollEpisode where the CreepyDoll role is played by Krusty [[MonsterClown the Clown]]. The episode's apex is arguably the line following Homer's remark about a doll saying "IllKillYou" supposedly being [[GenreBlindness "cute"]]: "I said I'm going to kill you! You, Homer Simpson!". '''''Treehouse of Horror'' probably qualifies as a FormulaBreakingEpisode, despite being an annual theme.'''
* WesternAnimation/TreehouseOfHorror: TheDollEpisode: In "Treehouse of Horror III", Homer gets Bart a cursed Krusty doll from a Chinese man's curio shop filled with cursed and weird objects from around the world. '''Same example, same logic.'''
* UnintentionalUncannyValley/WesternAnimation: ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In the episode were [[TheDollEpisode Gabbo was introduced]], Krusty tries to compete with his own ventriloquism number, using a shoddily-made puppet that looks rather creepy. ''And then the puppet loses its lower jaw.'' From this point on, things go downhill rather quickly. '''Not enough information about the tone; I could've put this in the next folder as well.'''
* Series/SamAndCat: TheDollEpisode: In the HalloweenEpisode "#Doll Sitting", Sam and Cat are tasked by a creepy guy with babysitting a doll on a few occasions, including taking it to a rock concert. At the end, [[spoiler: the doll comes to life as a young girl, the daughter of the man, and thanks them for babysitting her.]] '''Sounds like the kind of thing I was speculating about.'''
* SubvertedInnocence: TheDollEpisode: An episode about a seemingly innocent doll undergoing a creepy phase. '''Interestingly, this seems to suggest that the doll is the one having a creepy episode, not the series.'''
* NightmareFuel.TreehouseOfHorror: ''Clown Without Pity'': TheDollEpisode where the CreepyDoll role is played by Krusty [[MonsterClown the Clown]]. The episode's apex is arguably the line following Homer's remark about a doll saying "IllKillYou" supposedly being [[GenreBlindness "cute"]]: "I said I'm going to kill you! You, Homer Simpson!". '''''Treehouse of Horror'' probably qualifies as a FormulaBreakingEpisode, despite being an annual theme.'''
* WesternAnimation/TreehouseOfHorror: TheDollEpisode: In "Treehouse of Horror III", Homer gets Bart a cursed Krusty doll from a Chinese man's curio shop filled with cursed and weird objects from around the world. '''Same example, same logic.'''
* UnintentionalUncannyValley/WesternAnimation: ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In the episode were [[TheDollEpisode Gabbo was introduced]], Krusty tries to compete with his own ventriloquism number, using a shoddily-made puppet that looks rather creepy. ''And then the puppet loses its lower jaw.'' From this point on, things go downhill rather quickly. '''Not enough information about the tone; I could've put this in the next folder as well.'''
* Series/SamAndCat: TheDollEpisode: In the HalloweenEpisode "#Doll Sitting", Sam and Cat are tasked by a creepy guy with babysitting a doll on a few occasions, including taking it to a rock concert. At the end, [[spoiler: the doll comes to life as a young girl, the daughter of the man, and thanks them for babysitting her.]] '''Sounds like the kind of thing I was speculating about.'''
* SubvertedInnocence: TheDollEpisode: An episode about a seemingly innocent doll undergoing a creepy phase. '''Interestingly, this seems to suggest that the doll is the one having a creepy episode, not the series.'''
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* NightmareFuel.TreehouseOfHorror: ''Clown Without Pity'': TheDollEpisode where the CreepyDoll role is played by Krusty [[MonsterClown the Clown]]. The episode's apex is arguably the line following Homer's remark about a doll saying "IllKillYou" supposedly being [[GenreBlindness "cute"]]: "I said I'm going to kill you! You, Homer Simpson!". '''''Treehouse of Horror'' probably qualifies as a FormulaBreakingEpisode, despite being an annual theme.'''
* WesternAnimation/TreehouseOfHorror: TheDollEpisode: In "Treehouse of Horror III", Homer gets Bart a cursed Krusty doll from a Chinese man's curio shop filled with cursed
* UnintentionalUncannyValley/WesternAnimation: ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In the episode were [[TheDollEpisode Gabbo was introduced]], Krusty
SpeculativeFiction adaptations become less speculative.
When an adaptation or reboot tries to
Done well, this can give the story verisimilitude and make it feel more grounded and immersive; however, the desire for the CoolOfRule is not universal, and may sabotage the appeal of {{Escapism}} or burden the narrative with distracting {{Info Dump}}s.
Not necessarily synonymous with DarkerAndEdgier, closer to the antithesis of DenserAndWackier. Often involved in AdaptationDistillation. Supertrope to MovieSuperheroesWearBlack and NotWearingTights.
* Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy focuses on Batman's war against organised crime and tones down Batman's supervillains and his own
* Series/SamAndCat: TheDollEpisode: In the HalloweenEpisode "#Doll Sitting", Sam and Cat are tasked by
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* ComicBook/UltimateMarvel does things like turning Galactus from a stellar-mass humanoid in spandex to an alien HiveMind (named Gah Lak Tus, to obscure the CanisLatinicus).
* WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower establishes new rules for the ElementalMagic and ties together an overarching plot where Hordak is the
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* YMMV/BarneyMiller: HarsherInHindsight: The second storyline in "[[TheDollEpisode The Doll]]" (1981) concerns an optician who wants to be one of the first [[UsefulNotes/{{NASA}} space shuttle passengers]]. A NASA official tells him that his occupation qualifies him to be considered as a mission specialist. In a buoyant mood, he prepares to leave, only to have Dietrich tell him not to worry about the heat shielding tiles falling off and causing a possible re-entry disaster. (The optician's name is Eugene Corbett, a possible ShoutOut to ''Tom Corbett, SpaceCadet.'') '''No-context pothole.'''
* Recap/TheBradyBunchS1E7KittyKarryAllIsMissing: TheDollEpisode: Played straight, with Cindy's missing doll, Kitty Karry-All, driving the main plot. Cindy – with Bobby's comment about wishing that the doll would go away forever still fresh in her mind – worries about the doll's whereabouts or safety until it is found, the fear of what might be going on with it increasing as the doll continues to be missing. '''Remarkable for how clearly the trope was interpreted as "an episode about a doll".'''
* Series/TheNoddyShop: TheDollEpisode: The Goblins live in a dollhouse, which can be seen in some of the episodes as well as the intro. '''Technically this is an episodic non-horror series ''without'' a normal doll episode. Hopefully it is unique.'''
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* VideoGame/Robotrek: TheDollEpisode '''Commented-out ZCE.'''
* Fanfic/EscapeTheNightNovelization: TheDollEpisode: Episode 7 (Chapters 35-39) for Season 1, Episode 6 (Chapter 31-35) for Season 3. '''We won't even mention the doll, I guess.'''
* Literature/Alice2014: TheDollEpisode: Any time Mary and Joseph show up, which thankfully isn't a lot '''Commented out'''
* MatzoFever: ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'': In "[[TheDollEpisode Stan's Food Restaurant]]", Steve wants to get with a crazy girl who believes her doll is alive. She mentions the doll "likes Hebrews" when Steve arranges a "date" between it and Snot. '''Pothole.'''
* Recap/HellGirlS1E23TheLightOfTheHospitalWard: {{Deconstruction}}: This episode is an even more brutal one than TheDollEpisode. This time, the person who got sent to Hell was completely innocent and was banished in an act of random cruelty by someone she had never met. '''I guess this is referring to Recap.HellGirlS1E19ThePuppetBride without actually linking to it for some reason. That page didn't actually make it into the wick check, but Anime.HellGirl is "a Genre-Busting, Victim of the Week, Magical Girl-defying, social commentary series with a Japanese horror edge" so I imagine it would go under the Episodic Monster of the Week folder.'''
* Recap/AmericanHorrorStoriesS2E2Dollhouse: TheDollEpisode: It's right there in the name. '''I never know what to write for TitleTropes examples either, but this isn't one.'''
* Recap/CSINYS05E04: TheDollEpisode: The team are introduced to several silicone "women." '''Aside, this is practically a zero-context recap page.'''
* Anime/IxionSagaDT: TheDollEpisode: [[spoiler: Episode 20 can be seen as this thanks to the countless dolls and hand puppets Jugglabark has.]] '''Administrivia/ExamplesAreNotArguable.'''
* Recap/TheXFilesS05E10Chinga: TheDollEpisode '''Honestly surprised there isn't even someone trying to call it a TropeCodifier or something.'''
* Series/TheHauntingHour: TheDollEpisode: "Really You," "The Return of Lilly D.," and "Worry Dolls."
* Series/MyBabysittersAVampire: TheDollEpisode: "Guys and Dolls" '''Commented-out'''
* Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E126LivingDoll: TheDollEpisode: The episode is wholly focused on Talky Tina.
* ToyTransmutation: The inverse of BecomeARealBoy. Subtrope of {{Objectshifting}}. Supertrope to PuppetPermutation. This may also be part of TheDollEpisode and related to LivingDollCollector. '''No useful information about how the trope is understood.'''
* Podcast/AreYouScaredOfTheseStories: TheDollEpisode: ''"Plucky the Sailor Boy Doll"''.
* LivingDollCollector: A creepier form of the MarionetteMaster. Usually gets the spotlight in TheDollEpisode. See also MarionetteMotion. May overlap with ToyTransmutation. '''An incredibly clear use of "an episode about a doll".'''
* Characters/FellowshipOfTheRaven: TheDollEpisode: He commissions dolls that look just like Ireena from Blinksy (and threatened to burn down his shop if the toymaker didn't comply) which he keeps in his room. '''Technically this seems to be an episodic work but it's on a character page for some reason so I can't tell if it's an episode-long subplot or not'''
* EvidenceDungeon: A SmugSnake or TheStarscream might collect an Evidence Dungeon, too arrogant to believe that they would be caught. A BigBad or BigBadWannabe has [[StringTheory far-ranging plans]] with the correspondingly abundant evidence. Often it is the SerialKiller either collecting [[FingerInTheMail trophies of their work]] or too insane to realize all the clues just laying around. If the evidence is part of a creepy collection, you might be in TheDollEpisode. '''Notice the contrast with all the other tropes listed in the paragraph.'''
* AvatarTheLastAirbender/TropesAToH: TheDollEpisode: "The Puppetmaster" '''Commented out'''
* Music/Poe: TheDollEpisode: “Spanish Doll”.
* ReplacementGoldfish: If the new "goldfish" is unlucky, they constantly live in the shadow of the dead person and feel they [[WellDoneSonGuy can't measure up]], which can also be the [[WhyCouldntYouBeDifferent secret disappointment]] of the MadScientist. If unwary visitors are unlucky, the LivingDollCollector will try to use them as parts or playmates for their replacement in TheDollEpisode.
* WesternAnimation/Looped: TheDollEpisode: "Ronnie Trasco" is this, being a parody of ''Film/DonnieBrasco'' and is partially a NoirEpisode, but in color. The ending is a weird partial GainaxEnding that's a parody of ''Thundercats''. '''This example is ''fractally'' zero-context.'''
* Fanfic/YuyaVision: TheDollEpisode: The Xyz Channel is dedicated to this as [[spoiler:there's a machine that turns people into dolls and take their hearts out.]] '''Sorry? Is this an InUniverseExample?'''
* Recap/KamenRiderDoubleE25E26ThePsGame: TheDollEpisode
* Recap/BonanzaS07E07: TheDollEpisode: Lisa has several, and one of them will play a key role in the EvilUncle's motives. '''Another recap-less recap page.'''
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* QuoteSource/VideoGames
* ImageSource/LiveActionFilmsMToZ
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!! TheHollywoodFormula wick check
I just rediscovered that I wrote TheHollywoodFormula many years ago, and... well. It certainly isn't thriving, and in hindsight I'm concerned about plagiarism issues. (I don't remember any copy-pasting being involved, but it was based very closely off of an episode of Podcast/WritingExcuses, using the same examples and probably similar phrasing. [[SarcasmMode I cited my sources though, that fixes everything, right?]])
I think there's a solid ScriptSpeak page there still, but I'm not sure I could rebuild it on my own as completely as I think it would need.
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* BooksOnTrope
* {{Deuteragonist}}
* {{Ensembles}}
* {{Plots}}
* ScriptSpeak
* SpellMyNameWithAThe
* Administrivia/PagesNeedingWicks
* Analysis/{{Omori}}
* Fr/Deuteragoniste
* Funny/MyGymPartnersAMonkey
* Literature/ThePledge
* SoYouWantTo/WriteAnEnding
* Troper/{{Modrapetka}}
* WebAnimation/AlgicosathlonCamp
* Webcomic/{{Broodhollow}}
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!! Trope drafts
[[folder:Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists / Underground Social Services (Warning: MESS)]]
->"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."
-->-- '''Hélder Câmara''', Archbishop of Olinda and Recife
Revolutionary groups, [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters whether heroic or villainous]], depicted as good for the community.
Revolutions are ''hard''. Most people are understandably reluctant to risk their lives for a passionate speech and a noble cause unless they're sure it'll actually accomplish something. Someone has to
A rebellion that ''isn't'' prepared its own infrastructure ahead of time is likely to end up [[FullCircleRevolution emulating the same system that it was supposed to overthrow]] out of simple momentum.
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> POSTS (with @amathieu13)
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=146#comment-3648]]: I noticed a while ago that Bomb-Throwing Anarchists has a great description that starts by contextualising the trope in its historical origins... but then you get to the bottom and the only trope it can offer for contrast is Revolutionaries Who Don't Do Anything.
** I feel like there's a little conceptual space left over between "indiscriminately violent" and "completely ineffective", but ironically I'm not sure if I can think of enough examples to figure out if they constitute a trope of their own. (I can find a few adjacent tropes - Commune, Velvet Revolution, Actual Pacifist.) Weird, and rather discouraging. Reading the examples of Bomb-Throwing Anarchists and Anarchy Is Chaos for subversions and aversions to see if there are any commonalities.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=146#comment-3649]]: In-between depictions are likely to be captured by one of the Shades of Conflict tropes or Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3655]]: It isn't "in-between" that I feel is missing so much as "different focus". I know how common it is to have the viewpoint characters only show up to the revolution when the violence is about to start (or only learn about the conspiracy when it's on the verge of success, depending on the story), for the sake of tension and spectacle, but I would be incredulous if no one has ever looked for anything compelling in any of the work people were already doing before that - mutual aid, group coordination, public trust and awareness, sousveillance, legal protection, sabotage, refugee smuggling, and all the other kinds of underground infrastructure that ensure people have functional community services whether the status quo gets blown up or put down. (I have also been thinking about Writers Cannot Do Logistics.)
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3658]]: I think I get what you're trying to get across. One idea that may work then would be a trope that depicts revolutionary groups as genuinely good for their community. This goes a step farther than Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters (and may exist at the same time as that) since it's not just saying that "depending on what side you're on, you may view revolutionary groups as good or bad", it's a depiction that focuses on how even if perceptions of the group differ, the groups are objectively helping and serving the people by providing the public goods/services traditionally offered by the gov't that the gov't refuses to provide to its populace or doesn't have the means to do so (through the specific actions you pointed out).
** Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters is the trope that's closest to that idea and may actually cover a lot of what you want to discuss. That said, that trope is written from the perspective that these community-serving actions are mostly done for practical reasons and not really altruistic ones; and the focus is on the portrayal of this gang to other gangs, not the contrast of helpful but technically criminal orgs (a revolutionary group often has to break existing law to cause a revolution) and malevolent or indifferent to the suffering of civilians government institutions. So I can see the use for a new trope to cover what you're talking about.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3666]]: Yes exactly! I forgot Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters existed but I've been thinking about this as Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists in my head because Spider-Man; maybe something like Underground Social Services might be more specific though, depending. Back-Alley Doctor is probably relevant (offhand, Monster, Hotel Artemis, Johnny Mnemonic have organisations that would fit both if I remember right). If I can find enough examples for it, of course.
!!Examples:
* ''Series/LeverageRedemption'' - After the original Series/{{Leverage}} ended, Hardison started putting his hacking skills to work running interference for human rights organisations. Much as he wants to crack open some security systems when the team gets back together for some more heists, after the first job he admits he can't afford to divide his attention between two projects at once - and keeping Sri Lanka's economy stable long enough that refugees can safely evacuate is a higher priority than playing Robin Hood.
!!Unclear if relevant:
* ''Literature/TheCulture'', I think, I've never gotten around to actually reading it.
* Periodic jokes in ''Webcomic/ExistentialComics'', unsurprisingly.
* ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'''s Great Hellbound Railway storyline started exploring some of the internal politics of the Revolutionaries. There are three factions in the Tracklayer's Union, all of whom share a goal but :
** The Liberationists, including the high-profile Calendar Council, are the BombThrowingAnarchists committed to "no gods, no masters" [[AndThenWhat whatever the cost]].
** The Emancipationists are just looking to establish a free and independent city of their own, but have no specific plans beyond that, even to [[CallousnessTowardsEmergency prevent the tyrants they're fleeing from hurting anyone else]].
** The Prehistoricists have starry-eyed visions of fully-automated luxury Neath communism, starting with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs reanimating mammoths to use as a workforce]] and a far-off dream of an entire ''command ecology'' where every organism has a place and a purpose. (Do we have a trope for techno-utopian futurism?)
* ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail'''s mediaeval anarcho-syndicalist commune, presented as whiny and cynical as well as [[InsufferableGenius obnoxiously literate]].
* ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope'' has the Divine Mandate of Siberia, a group of unimportant and remote territories who unexpectedly unify into a Christian Socialist government as a surprise mid-game shift in regional politics; it's a genuinely good place to live, especially in [[CrapsackWorld this timeline]], but fragile, and if anything happens to [[GoodShepherd Alexander Men]] the union dissolves.
* ''VideoGame/TheOuterWorlds'' - Adelaide McDevitt has occupied the Botanical Gardens and turned it into a commune for deserters from [[CompanyTown Edgewater]] albeit one with a [[TownWithADarkSecret distasteful (if not actually immoral) secret]]. However, once she thinks she has everything to make it truly self-sufficient, she'll take advantage of her necessity to close the door to anyone else trying to escape the dying town, out of spite for their 'company loyalty'.
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[[folder:Immortal Animal]]
[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=186#comment-4637]]: Is there a trope behind the idea of an ImmortalAnimal? I think there's something about a creature that immortality doesn't matter to in the same way as it would to human characters - it isn't a part of history, and humans won't ever learn what its experience is like. It probably isn't capable of angsting about WhoWantsToLiveForever, and may not even understand what it's been blessed/cursed with. Thinking about how Literature/{{Baccano}} remembers that the lab rat is still alive and well as part of the theme that stories are far too big for any one character, and Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean ensures UndeathAlwaysEnds for everyone except Jack the monkey.
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[[folder:Sturdier and Grimier (?)]]
SpeculativeFiction adaptations become less speculative.
When an adaptation or reboot tries to be more grounded and "realistic" (for culturally-relevant definitions of the word) than its inspiration. Stories are generally LikeRealityUnlessNoted, and adaptations typically aim to at least be welcoming to an audience who aren't already fans; thus, the number of notes are reduced by bundling them together or throwing them out, and the effect is the setting becomes more like reality. Involves DoingInTheWizard and replacing it with plausible-sounding {{Technobabble}}, or [[MagicAIsMagicA providing the rules to explain it in a consistent way]]. Elements which can't be tempered like this may be explained away through BroadStrokes, AllJustADream, or ThroughTheEyesOfMadness. This is most prominent when it involves introducing consistent {{worldbuilding}} to a setting which [[NegativeContinuity didn't previously have any]].
Done well, this can give the story verisimilitude and make it feel more grounded and immersive; however, the desire for the CoolOfRule is not universal, and may sabotage the appeal of {{Escapism}} or burden the narrative with distracting {{Info Dump}}s.
Not necessarily synonymous with DarkerAndEdgier, closer to the antithesis of DenserAndWackier. Often involved in AdaptationDistillation. Supertrope to MovieSuperheroesWearBlack and NotWearingTights.
* Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy focuses on Batman's war against organised crime and tones down Batman's supervillains and his own superhuman qualities. Ra'as al-Ghul's immortality is figurative, represented by his legacy and memory, rather than literally resurrecting himself through Lazarus pits; Bane's mask is simply medical equipment, not a chemical boost that lets him fight on Batman's level. The fantastical elements that remain, like the water-vaporising microwave emitter, are technological and justified as products of Wayne Enterprise's research department.
* ComicBook/BatmanGrantMorrison put a lot of effort into canonising ''everything'' in Batman's history as true on some level; this included the most ridiculous parts of the Silver Age, which Batman considers the effects of long-term overexposure to [[FantasticDrug Joker gas and fear toxin]] and doesn't like to talk about.
* ComicBook/UltimateMarvel does things like turning Galactus from a stellar-mass humanoid in spandex to an alien HiveMind (named Gah Lak Tus, to obscure the CanisLatinicus).
* WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower establishes new rules for the ElementalMagic and ties together an overarching plot where Hordak is the exiled vanguard of an invasion of FantasyAliens, while keeping a general tone of light-hearted humour.
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* YMMV/BarneyMiller: HarsherInHindsight: The second storyline in "[[TheDollEpisode The Doll]]" (1981) concerns an optician who wants to be one of the first [[UsefulNotes/{{NASA}} space shuttle passengers]]. A NASA official tells him that his occupation qualifies him to be considered as a mission specialist. In a buoyant mood, he prepares to leave, only to have Dietrich tell him not to worry about the heat shielding tiles falling off and causing a possible re-entry disaster. (The optician's name is Eugene Corbett, a possible ShoutOut to ''Tom Corbett, SpaceCadet.'') '''No-context pothole.'''
* Recap/TheBradyBunchS1E7KittyKarryAllIsMissing: TheDollEpisode: Played straight, with Cindy's missing doll, Kitty Karry-All, driving the main plot. Cindy – with Bobby's comment about wishing that the doll would go away forever still fresh in her mind – worries about the doll's whereabouts or safety until it is found, the fear of what might be going on with it increasing as the doll continues to be missing. '''Remarkable for how clearly the trope was interpreted as "an episode about a doll".'''
* Series/TheNoddyShop: TheDollEpisode: The Goblins live in a dollhouse, which can be seen in some of the episodes as well as the intro. '''Technically this is an episodic non-horror series ''without'' a normal doll episode. Hopefully it is unique.'''
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[[folder:ZCEs and other plots that happened when dolls were nearby (24/51, 47%)]]
* VideoGame/Robotrek: TheDollEpisode '''Commented-out ZCE.'''
* Fanfic/EscapeTheNightNovelization: TheDollEpisode: Episode 7 (Chapters 35-39) for Season 1, Episode 6 (Chapter 31-35) for Season 3. '''We won't even mention the doll, I guess.'''
* Literature/Alice2014: TheDollEpisode: Any time Mary and Joseph show up, which thankfully isn't a lot '''Commented out'''
* MatzoFever: ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'': In "[[TheDollEpisode Stan's Food Restaurant]]", Steve wants to get with a crazy girl who believes her doll is alive. She mentions the doll "likes Hebrews" when Steve arranges a "date" between it and Snot. '''Pothole.'''
* Recap/HellGirlS1E23TheLightOfTheHospitalWard: {{Deconstruction}}: This episode is an even more brutal one than TheDollEpisode. This time, the person who got sent to Hell was completely innocent and was banished in an act of random cruelty by someone she had never met. '''I guess this is referring to Recap.HellGirlS1E19ThePuppetBride without actually linking to it for some reason. That page didn't actually make it into the wick check, but Anime.HellGirl is "a Genre-Busting, Victim of the Week, Magical Girl-defying, social commentary series with a Japanese horror edge" so I imagine it would go under the Episodic Monster of the Week folder.'''
* Recap/AmericanHorrorStoriesS2E2Dollhouse: TheDollEpisode: It's right there in the name. '''I never know what to write for TitleTropes examples either, but this isn't one.'''
* Recap/CSINYS05E04: TheDollEpisode: The team are introduced to several silicone "women." '''Aside, this is practically a zero-context recap page.'''
* Anime/IxionSagaDT: TheDollEpisode: [[spoiler: Episode 20 can be seen as this thanks to the countless dolls and hand puppets Jugglabark has.]] '''Administrivia/ExamplesAreNotArguable.'''
* Recap/TheXFilesS05E10Chinga: TheDollEpisode '''Honestly surprised there isn't even someone trying to call it a TropeCodifier or something.'''
* Series/TheHauntingHour: TheDollEpisode: "Really You," "The Return of Lilly D.," and "Worry Dolls."
* Series/MyBabysittersAVampire: TheDollEpisode: "Guys and Dolls" '''Commented-out'''
* Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E126LivingDoll: TheDollEpisode: The episode is wholly focused on Talky Tina.
* ToyTransmutation: The inverse of BecomeARealBoy. Subtrope of {{Objectshifting}}. Supertrope to PuppetPermutation. This may also be part of TheDollEpisode and related to LivingDollCollector. '''No useful information about how the trope is understood.'''
* Podcast/AreYouScaredOfTheseStories: TheDollEpisode: ''"Plucky the Sailor Boy Doll"''.
* LivingDollCollector: A creepier form of the MarionetteMaster. Usually gets the spotlight in TheDollEpisode. See also MarionetteMotion. May overlap with ToyTransmutation. '''An incredibly clear use of "an episode about a doll".'''
* Characters/FellowshipOfTheRaven: TheDollEpisode: He commissions dolls that look just like Ireena from Blinksy (and threatened to burn down his shop if the toymaker didn't comply) which he keeps in his room. '''Technically this seems to be an episodic work but it's on a character page for some reason so I can't tell if it's an episode-long subplot or not'''
* EvidenceDungeon: A SmugSnake or TheStarscream might collect an Evidence Dungeon, too arrogant to believe that they would be caught. A BigBad or BigBadWannabe has [[StringTheory far-ranging plans]] with the correspondingly abundant evidence. Often it is the SerialKiller either collecting [[FingerInTheMail trophies of their work]] or too insane to realize all the clues just laying around. If the evidence is part of a creepy collection, you might be in TheDollEpisode. '''Notice the contrast with all the other tropes listed in the paragraph.'''
* AvatarTheLastAirbender/TropesAToH: TheDollEpisode: "The Puppetmaster" '''Commented out'''
* Music/Poe: TheDollEpisode: “Spanish Doll”.
* ReplacementGoldfish: If the new "goldfish" is unlucky, they constantly live in the shadow of the dead person and feel they [[WellDoneSonGuy can't measure up]], which can also be the [[WhyCouldntYouBeDifferent secret disappointment]] of the MadScientist. If unwary visitors are unlucky, the LivingDollCollector will try to use them as parts or playmates for their replacement in TheDollEpisode.
* WesternAnimation/Looped: TheDollEpisode: "Ronnie Trasco" is this, being a parody of ''Film/DonnieBrasco'' and is partially a NoirEpisode, but in color. The ending is a weird partial GainaxEnding that's a parody of ''Thundercats''. '''This example is ''fractally'' zero-context.'''
* Fanfic/YuyaVision: TheDollEpisode: The Xyz Channel is dedicated to this as [[spoiler:there's a machine that turns people into dolls and take their hearts out.]] '''Sorry? Is this an InUniverseExample?'''
* Recap/KamenRiderDoubleE25E26ThePsGame: TheDollEpisode
* Recap/BonanzaS07E07: TheDollEpisode: Lisa has several, and one of them will play a key role in the EvilUncle's motives. '''Another recap-less recap page.'''
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* QuoteSource/VideoGames
* ImageSource/LiveActionFilmsMToZ
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!! TheHollywoodFormula wick check
I just rediscovered that I wrote TheHollywoodFormula many years ago, and... well. It certainly isn't thriving, and in hindsight I'm concerned about plagiarism issues. (I don't remember any copy-pasting being involved, but it was based very closely off of an episode of Podcast/WritingExcuses, using the same examples and probably similar phrasing. [[SarcasmMode I cited my sources though, that fixes everything, right?]])
I think there's a solid ScriptSpeak page there still, but I'm not sure I could rebuild it on my own as completely as I think it would need.
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* BooksOnTrope
* {{Deuteragonist}}
* {{Ensembles}}
* {{Plots}}
* ScriptSpeak
* SpellMyNameWithAThe
* Administrivia/PagesNeedingWicks
* Analysis/{{Omori}}
* Fr/Deuteragoniste
* Funny/MyGymPartnersAMonkey
* Literature/ThePledge
* SoYouWantTo/WriteAnEnding
* Troper/{{Modrapetka}}
* WebAnimation/AlgicosathlonCamp
* Webcomic/{{Broodhollow}}
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!! Trope drafts
[[folder:Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists / Underground Social Services (Warning: MESS)]]
->"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist."
-->-- '''Hélder Câmara''', Archbishop of Olinda and Recife
Revolutionary groups, [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters whether heroic or villainous]], depicted as good for the community.
Revolutions are ''hard''. Most people are understandably reluctant to risk their lives for a passionate speech and a noble cause unless they're sure it'll actually accomplish something. Someone has to
A rebellion that ''isn't'' prepared its own infrastructure ahead of time is likely to end up [[FullCircleRevolution emulating the same system that it was supposed to overthrow]] out of simple momentum.
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> POSTS (with @amathieu13)
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=146#comment-3648]]: I noticed a while ago that Bomb-Throwing Anarchists has a great description that starts by contextualising the trope in its historical origins... but then you get to the bottom and the only trope it can offer for contrast is Revolutionaries Who Don't Do Anything.
** I feel like there's a little conceptual space left over between "indiscriminately violent" and "completely ineffective", but ironically I'm not sure if I can think of enough examples to figure out if they constitute a trope of their own. (I can find a few adjacent tropes - Commune, Velvet Revolution, Actual Pacifist.) Weird, and rather discouraging. Reading the examples of Bomb-Throwing Anarchists and Anarchy Is Chaos for subversions and aversions to see if there are any commonalities.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=146#comment-3649]]: In-between depictions are likely to be captured by one of the Shades of Conflict tropes or Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3655]]: It isn't "in-between" that I feel is missing so much as "different focus". I know how common it is to have the viewpoint characters only show up to the revolution when the violence is about to start (or only learn about the conspiracy when it's on the verge of success, depending on the story), for the sake of tension and spectacle, but I would be incredulous if no one has ever looked for anything compelling in any of the work people were already doing before that - mutual aid, group coordination, public trust and awareness, sousveillance, legal protection, sabotage, refugee smuggling, and all the other kinds of underground infrastructure that ensure people have functional community services whether the status quo gets blown up or put down. (I have also been thinking about Writers Cannot Do Logistics.)
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3658]]: I think I get what you're trying to get across. One idea that may work then would be a trope that depicts revolutionary groups as genuinely good for their community. This goes a step farther than Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters (and may exist at the same time as that) since it's not just saying that "depending on what side you're on, you may view revolutionary groups as good or bad", it's a depiction that focuses on how even if perceptions of the group differ, the groups are objectively helping and serving the people by providing the public goods/services traditionally offered by the gov't that the gov't refuses to provide to its populace or doesn't have the means to do so (through the specific actions you pointed out).
** Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters is the trope that's closest to that idea and may actually cover a lot of what you want to discuss. That said, that trope is written from the perspective that these community-serving actions are mostly done for practical reasons and not really altruistic ones; and the focus is on the portrayal of this gang to other gangs, not the contrast of helpful but technically criminal orgs (a revolutionary group often has to break existing law to cause a revolution) and malevolent or indifferent to the suffering of civilians government institutions. So I can see the use for a new trope to cover what you're talking about.
* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=147#comment-3666]]: Yes exactly! I forgot Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters existed but I've been thinking about this as Friendly Neighbourhood Anarchists in my head because Spider-Man; maybe something like Underground Social Services might be more specific though, depending. Back-Alley Doctor is probably relevant (offhand, Monster, Hotel Artemis, Johnny Mnemonic have organisations that would fit both if I remember right). If I can find enough examples for it, of course.
!!Examples:
* ''Series/LeverageRedemption'' - After the original Series/{{Leverage}} ended, Hardison started putting his hacking skills to work running interference for human rights organisations. Much as he wants to crack open some security systems when the team gets back together for some more heists, after the first job he admits he can't afford to divide his attention between two projects at once - and keeping Sri Lanka's economy stable long enough that refugees can safely evacuate is a higher priority than playing Robin Hood.
!!Unclear if relevant:
* ''Literature/TheCulture'', I think, I've never gotten around to actually reading it.
* Periodic jokes in ''Webcomic/ExistentialComics'', unsurprisingly.
* ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'''s Great Hellbound Railway storyline started exploring some of the internal politics of the Revolutionaries. There are three factions in the Tracklayer's Union, all of whom share a goal but :
** The Liberationists, including the high-profile Calendar Council, are the BombThrowingAnarchists committed to "no gods, no masters" [[AndThenWhat whatever the cost]].
** The Emancipationists are just looking to establish a free and independent city of their own, but have no specific plans beyond that, even to [[CallousnessTowardsEmergency prevent the tyrants they're fleeing from hurting anyone else]].
** The Prehistoricists have starry-eyed visions of fully-automated luxury Neath communism, starting with [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs reanimating mammoths to use as a workforce]] and a far-off dream of an entire ''command ecology'' where every organism has a place and a purpose. (Do we have a trope for techno-utopian futurism?)
* ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail'''s mediaeval anarcho-syndicalist commune, presented as whiny and cynical as well as [[InsufferableGenius obnoxiously literate]].
* ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope'' has the Divine Mandate of Siberia, a group of unimportant and remote territories who unexpectedly unify into a Christian Socialist government as a surprise mid-game shift in regional politics; it's a genuinely good place to live, especially in [[CrapsackWorld this timeline]], but fragile, and if anything happens to [[GoodShepherd Alexander Men]] the union dissolves.
* ''VideoGame/TheOuterWorlds'' - Adelaide McDevitt has occupied the Botanical Gardens and turned it into a commune for deserters from [[CompanyTown Edgewater]] albeit one with a [[TownWithADarkSecret distasteful (if not actually immoral) secret]]. However, once she thinks she has everything to make it truly self-sufficient, she'll take advantage of her necessity to close the door to anyone else trying to escape the dying town, out of spite for their 'company loyalty'.
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[[folder:Immortal Animal]]
[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15902941540A34344400&page=186#comment-4637]]: Is there a trope behind the idea of an ImmortalAnimal? I think there's something about a creature that immortality doesn't matter to in the same way as it would to human characters - it isn't a part of history, and humans won't ever learn what its experience is like. It probably isn't capable of angsting about WhoWantsToLiveForever, and may not even understand what it's been blessed/cursed with. Thinking about how Literature/{{Baccano}} remembers that the lab rat is still alive and well as part of the theme that stories are far too big for any one character, and Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean ensures UndeathAlwaysEnds for everyone except Jack the monkey.
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[[folder:Sturdier and Grimier (?)]]
SpeculativeFiction adaptations become less speculative.
When an adaptation or reboot tries to be more grounded and "realistic" (for culturally-relevant definitions of the word) than its inspiration. Stories are generally LikeRealityUnlessNoted, and adaptations typically aim to at least be welcoming to an audience who aren't already fans; thus, the number of notes are reduced by bundling them together or throwing them out, and the effect is the setting becomes more like reality. Involves DoingInTheWizard and replacing it with plausible-sounding {{Technobabble}}, or [[MagicAIsMagicA providing the rules to explain it in a consistent way]]. Elements which can't be tempered like this may be explained away through BroadStrokes, AllJustADream, or ThroughTheEyesOfMadness. This is most prominent when it involves introducing consistent {{worldbuilding}} to a setting which [[NegativeContinuity didn't previously have any]].
Done well, this can give the story verisimilitude and make it feel more grounded and immersive; however, the desire for the CoolOfRule is not universal, and may sabotage the appeal of {{Escapism}} or burden the narrative with distracting {{Info Dump}}s.
Not necessarily synonymous with DarkerAndEdgier, closer to the antithesis of DenserAndWackier. Often involved in AdaptationDistillation. Supertrope to MovieSuperheroesWearBlack and NotWearingTights.
* Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy focuses on Batman's war against organised crime and tones down Batman's supervillains and his own superhuman qualities. Ra'as al-Ghul's immortality is figurative, represented by his legacy and memory, rather than literally resurrecting himself through Lazarus pits; Bane's mask is simply medical equipment, not a chemical boost that lets him fight on Batman's level. The fantastical elements that remain, like the water-vaporising microwave emitter, are technological and justified as products of Wayne Enterprise's research department.
* ComicBook/BatmanGrantMorrison put a lot of effort into canonising ''everything'' in Batman's history as true on some level; this included the most ridiculous parts of the Silver Age, which Batman considers the effects of long-term overexposure to [[FantasticDrug Joker gas and fear toxin]] and doesn't like to talk about.
* ComicBook/UltimateMarvel does things like turning Galactus from a stellar-mass humanoid in spandex to an alien HiveMind (named Gah Lak Tus, to obscure the CanisLatinicus).
* WesternAnimation/SheRaAndThePrincessesOfPower establishes new rules for the ElementalMagic and ties together an overarching plot where Hordak is the exiled vanguard of an invasion of FantasyAliens, while keeping a general tone of light-hearted humour.
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