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* While some of Iris' actions have understandable reasons to be disliked by some fans, some fans exaggerate the things she did that they didn't like while purposefully ignoring good things she did, making her look more bratty and condescending than she is.
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* While some of Iris' actions have understandable reasons to be disliked criticized by some fans, some fans exaggerate the things she did that they didn't like while purposefully ignoring good things she did, making her look more bratty and condescending than she is.did.
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About general fandom trends, not specific fanworks.
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* ''Alder'' of all characters in ''Fanfic/PokemonRetoldBlack'' is written as a condescending, holier-than-thou asshole with a manipulative streak. He's uncharacteristically disdainful and hateful towards N, and Hil, Cheren, and even Grimsley of the Elite Four are framed as being completely in the right for hating him. One can't help but wonder if the author had an axe to grind against him in particular since no other canon characters get this kind of makeover, save for Hil's ''deeply'' troubled mother.
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** For all of [[spoiler:Professor Sada/Turo]]'s negative qualities, it is confirmed that [[spoiler:they truly did love their son, his dog and the Legendary dragon (having started their "paradise" for the former and sacrificed their life for the latter)]] and had [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble intentions]] (or at least [[ObliviouslyEvil what they thought were noble intentions]]) beneath their plans. The fandom would have you believe that they were [[CardCarryingVillain unrepentant sociopaths]] who remorselessly murdered their entire research team to acheive their goals (something that is never stated anywhere in the game) and didn't care about [[spoiler:their son]] at all.
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** For all of [[spoiler:Professor Sada/Turo]]'s negative qualities, it is confirmed that [[spoiler:they truly did love their son, his dog and the Legendary dragon (having started their "paradise" for the former and sacrificed their life for the latter)]] and had [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble intentions]] (or at least [[ObliviouslyEvil what they thought were noble intentions]]) beneath their plans. The fandom would have you believe that they were [[CardCarryingVillain unrepentant sociopaths]] who remorselessly murdered their entire research team to acheive achieve their goals (something that is never stated anywhere in the game) and didn't care about [[spoiler:their son]] at all.
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** The old couple who took in Pecharunt in its backstory have been called "abusive" towards it for making constant demands that eventually led to it traveling to Kitakami with the Loyal Three to take Ogerpon's masks (which in turn led to the deaths of Ogerpon's old trainer and the Loyal Three, Ogerpon being shunned and Pecharunt itself being forced into hiding). This ignores the fact that they only made those demands because Pecharunt itself [[{{Yandere}} craved the love they were already giving it so much]] that it fed them poisonous mochi that brainwashed them and exacerbated their greed.
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** The old couple who took in Pecharunt in its backstory have been called "abusive" towards it for making constant demands that eventually led to it traveling to Kitakami with the Loyal Three to take Ogerpon's masks (which in turn led to the deaths of Ogerpon's old trainer and the Loyal Three, Ogerpon being shunned and Pecharunt itself being forced into hiding). This ignores the fact that they only made those demands because Pecharunt itself [[{{Yandere}} craved the love they were already giving it so much]] that it fed them poisonous mochi that brainwashed them and exacerbated their greed. And this is all without mentioning the very real possibility that this account [[UnreliableNarrator isn't as reliable as it's presented as being]].
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** In-game, Drayton's ManipulativeBastard tendencies only came out from his desire to help Kieran and the League Club. If you asked the fandom (especially Kieran fans), they'd say that he did it either for {{Revenge}} or ForTheEvulz.
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** In-game, Drayton's ManipulativeBastard tendencies only came out from his desire to help Kieran and the League Club. If you asked the fandom (especially Kieran fans), they'd say that he did it either for {{Revenge}} or ForTheEvulz. While the revenge angle ''is'' implied to be ''a'' motivation of his post-''Mochi Mayhem'', he mentions it in a more [[PokeThePoodle playful manner]] than malicious one (not that Kieran isn't still upset, since he [[TheGadfly won't stop bringing it up]]), and some of Drayton's more ardent critics tend to flatten it to his ''only'' motivation.
** The old couple who took in Pecharunt in its backstory have been called "abusive" towards it for making constant demands that eventually led to it traveling to Kitakami with the Loyal Three to take Ogerpon's masks (which in turn led to the deaths of Ogerpon's old trainer and the Loyal Three, Ogerpon being shunned and Pecharunt itself being forced into hiding). This ignores the fact that they only made those demands because Pecharunt itself [[{{Yandere}} craved the love they were already giving it so much]] that it fed them poisonous mochi that brainwashed them and exacerbated their greed.
** The old couple who took in Pecharunt in its backstory have been called "abusive" towards it for making constant demands that eventually led to it traveling to Kitakami with the Loyal Three to take Ogerpon's masks (which in turn led to the deaths of Ogerpon's old trainer and the Loyal Three, Ogerpon being shunned and Pecharunt itself being forced into hiding). This ignores the fact that they only made those demands because Pecharunt itself [[{{Yandere}} craved the love they were already giving it so much]] that it fed them poisonous mochi that brainwashed them and exacerbated their greed.
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** Kieran's detractors often paint him as a {{Yandere}} who could actively become ''murderous'' if his desire to have Ogerpon/defeat you wasn't sated, an outright incel who treats Ogerpon as a shiny prize to be won (ignoring the facts that 1. Kieran is a ''child'' and 2. his idealized view of Ogerpon is closer to LovingAShadow than seeing it as an object), or just a plain vanilla SpoiledBrat who needs to get over himself (ignoring that the game shows multiple times that Kieran was pushed to this point by outside sources ''on top'' of his already existent issues, and that the [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded the protagonist]] and [[BigSisterBully Carmine]] are both just as at fault for how he turned out as he is).
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** Kieran's detractors often paint him as a {{Yandere}} who could actively become ''murderous'' if his desire to have Ogerpon/defeat you wasn't sated, an outright incel who treats Ogerpon as a shiny prize to be won (ignoring the facts that 1. Kieran is a ''child'' and 2. his idealized view of Ogerpon is closer to LovingAShadow than seeing it as an object), or just a plain vanilla SpoiledBrat who needs to get over himself (ignoring that the game shows multiple times that Kieran was pushed to this point by outside sources ''on top'' of his already existent issues, and that the [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded the protagonist]] and [[BigSisterBully Carmine]] are both just as at fault for how he turned out as he is).
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* ''VideoGame/PokemonScarletAndViolet'':
** For all of [[spoiler:Professor Sada/Turo]]'s negative qualities, it is confirmed that [[spoiler:they truly did love their son, his dog and the Legendary dragon (having started their "paradise" for the former and sacrificed their life for the latter)]] and had [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble intentions]] (or at least [[ObliviouslyEvil what they thought were noble intentions]]) beneath their plans. The fandom would have you believe that they were [[CardCarryingVillain unrepentant sociopaths]] who remorselessly murdered their entire research team to acheive their goals (something that is never stated anywhere in the game) and didn't care about [[spoiler:their son]] at all.
** Kieran's detractors often paint him as a {{Yandere}} who could actively become ''murderous'' if his desire to have Ogerpon/defeat you wasn't sated, an outright incel who treats Ogerpon as a shiny prize to be won (ignoring the facts that 1. Kieran is a ''child'' and 2. his idealized view of Ogerpon is closer to LovingAShadow than seeing it as an object), or just a plain vanilla SpoiledBrat who needs to get over himself (ignoring that the game shows multiple times that Kieran was pushed to this point by outside sources ''on top'' of his already existent issues, and that the [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded the protagonist]] and [[BigSisterBully Carmine]] are both just as at fault for how he turned out as he is).
** Carmine gets a bit of this too. Some have taken the [[NeverLiveItDown "I WAS being kind! It's not like I hit him or anything!" comment]] to imply that Carmine has inflicted physical violence on Kieran (which, while not impossible, is never outright stated and the wording could just as easily mean that Carmine is just ComicallyMissingThePoint), or twisted her dislike of people not from Kitakami visiting the region into outright racism (ignoring the explanation she gives at the end about how her reasoning was that she feared they would reduce the homeland and culture she loves into a kitschy tourist attraction, [[TruthInTelevision a sadly very real concern for a lot of cultures in the real world]]). There's also a tendency to pin the blame for Kieran's descent into villainy solely on her, despite the fact that, while she is part of it, the player character and Kieran's own emotional and psychological issues also contributed to the situation.
** The player character occasionally gets this from players who give Kieran the DracoInLeatherPants treatment. They're treated as being completely responsible for Kieran's SanitySlippage, ignoring the fact that the game [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded never gives you the chance]] to do anything else, Carmine's [[PoorCommunicationKills communication issues]] also didn't help, and Kieran already had some of his own issues to begin with.
** In-game, Drayton's ManipulativeBastard tendencies only came out from his desire to help Kieran and the League Club. If you asked the fandom (especially Kieran fans), they'd say that he did it either for {{Revenge}} or ForTheEvulz.
** For all of [[spoiler:Professor Sada/Turo]]'s negative qualities, it is confirmed that [[spoiler:they truly did love their son, his dog and the Legendary dragon (having started their "paradise" for the former and sacrificed their life for the latter)]] and had [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble intentions]] (or at least [[ObliviouslyEvil what they thought were noble intentions]]) beneath their plans. The fandom would have you believe that they were [[CardCarryingVillain unrepentant sociopaths]] who remorselessly murdered their entire research team to acheive their goals (something that is never stated anywhere in the game) and didn't care about [[spoiler:their son]] at all.
** Kieran's detractors often paint him as a {{Yandere}} who could actively become ''murderous'' if his desire to have Ogerpon/defeat you wasn't sated, an outright incel who treats Ogerpon as a shiny prize to be won (ignoring the facts that 1. Kieran is a ''child'' and 2. his idealized view of Ogerpon is closer to LovingAShadow than seeing it as an object), or just a plain vanilla SpoiledBrat who needs to get over himself (ignoring that the game shows multiple times that Kieran was pushed to this point by outside sources ''on top'' of his already existent issues, and that the [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded the protagonist]] and [[BigSisterBully Carmine]] are both just as at fault for how he turned out as he is).
** Carmine gets a bit of this too. Some have taken the [[NeverLiveItDown "I WAS being kind! It's not like I hit him or anything!" comment]] to imply that Carmine has inflicted physical violence on Kieran (which, while not impossible, is never outright stated and the wording could just as easily mean that Carmine is just ComicallyMissingThePoint), or twisted her dislike of people not from Kitakami visiting the region into outright racism (ignoring the explanation she gives at the end about how her reasoning was that she feared they would reduce the homeland and culture she loves into a kitschy tourist attraction, [[TruthInTelevision a sadly very real concern for a lot of cultures in the real world]]). There's also a tendency to pin the blame for Kieran's descent into villainy solely on her, despite the fact that, while she is part of it, the player character and Kieran's own emotional and psychological issues also contributed to the situation.
** The player character occasionally gets this from players who give Kieran the DracoInLeatherPants treatment. They're treated as being completely responsible for Kieran's SanitySlippage, ignoring the fact that the game [[BlamedForBeingRailroaded never gives you the chance]] to do anything else, Carmine's [[PoorCommunicationKills communication issues]] also didn't help, and Kieran already had some of his own issues to begin with.
** In-game, Drayton's ManipulativeBastard tendencies only came out from his desire to help Kieran and the League Club. If you asked the fandom (especially Kieran fans), they'd say that he did it either for {{Revenge}} or ForTheEvulz.
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* Ash's father. The vast majority of the time that he comes in the base series, he is not spoken of in the negative. Delia spoke of him positively in the second episode, and two of the three times he came up in the continuity started by ''Anime/PokemonIChooseYou'' the discussion is entirely positive (the third time was Delia complaining that he and Ash don't call her enough in the titular film). However many fans, especially in the west, tend to write him as a deadbeat or a villain, often Giovanni, his absence being treated as abandonment of both Ash and Delia. This is a case of differing values between Japan, where the work culture has many fathers be away for long periods of time to support their families without it being seen as wrong, and the West, where families are expected to be in frequent contact with each other. While the idea of Ash's father being a deadbeat is not unheard of in Japan, see ''Literature/PocketMonstersTheAnimation'', but it is much more common in western discourse than Japanese discourse.
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* Ash's father. The vast majority of the time that he comes in the base series, he is not spoken of in the negative. Delia spoke of him positively in the second episode, and two of the three times he came up in the continuity started by ''Anime/PokemonIChooseYou'' the discussion is entirely positive (the third time was Delia complaining that he and Ash don't call her enough in the titular film). However many fans, especially in the west, tend to write him as a deadbeat or a villain, often Giovanni, his absence being treated as abandonment of both Ash and Delia. This is a case of differing values between Japan, where the work culture has many fathers be away for long periods of time to support their families without it being seen as wrong, and the West, where families are expected to be in frequent contact with each other. While the idea of Ash's father being a deadbeat is not unheard of in Japan, see ''Literature/PocketMonstersTheAnimation'', but Japan (see ''Literature/PocketMonstersTheAnimation''), it is much more common in western discourse than Japanese discourse.
* Erika tends to get this thanks to a case of CommonKnowledge (fans misremember that she never banned Ash from her gym in the English dub, only her store; her assistants were the ones who kept him from entering the gym, and Erika later points out she's supposed to accept all challengers). Fans tend to exaggerate her negative traits, ranging from having her refuse to challenge anyone who dislikes her perfume to making her an out-an-out misandrist/PsychoLesbian.
* Erika tends to get this thanks to a case of CommonKnowledge (fans misremember that she never banned Ash from her gym in the English dub, only her store; her assistants were the ones who kept him from entering the gym, and Erika later points out she's supposed to accept all challengers). Fans tend to exaggerate her negative traits, ranging from having her refuse to challenge anyone who dislikes her perfume to making her an out-an-out misandrist/PsychoLesbian.
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* From ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'', Kamado in general was treated as far horrible than he seemed in the canonical game, especially to those who dislike and hated how he [[spoiler:sent the PlayerCharacter out to exile due to the circumstancial proof of the PlayerCharacter possibly being the reason why the time space rift happened in the first place]] to a point that RevengeFic plots are abound. In canon, Kamado is a WellIntentionedExtremist at worst -- but ultimately doing it to protect his settlement.
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* From ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'', Kamado in general was treated as far horrible than he seemed in the canonical game, especially to those who dislike and hated how he [[spoiler:sent the PlayerCharacter out to exile due to the circumstancial proof of the PlayerCharacter possibly being the reason why the time space rift happened in the first place]] to a point that RevengeFic plots are abound. In canon, Kamado from ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus'' is a WellIntentionedExtremist at worst his worst; everything that he does -- but ultimately doing it even [[spoiler:exiling the PlayerCharacter out of a mistaken belief that they're behind the time-space rifts]] -- is done to protect his settlement.settlement. Some fans, largely those who don't forgive him for [[spoiler:exiling the player]], tend to exaggerate him into a ruthless dictator who repeatedly tortures the player character for being an outsider.
