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** Negan opens the call to Rick doing his usual heckling, but immediately grows somber when he learns about Carl's death, and his first question is to ask Rick if the Saviors were responsible.
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* KillEmAll: When Jadis punches him for killing Brion and Tamiel, Simon has his troops massacre her people.
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* DeathOfAChild: In regards to the Scavengers. At least one child was seen among the Scavengers, and she didn't survive the massacre.
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* InfantImmortality: Averted in regards to the Scavengers. At least one child was seen among the Scavengers, and she didn't survive the massacre.
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* BreakTheHaughty: Jadis’s smug, unflappable demeanor to date is completely broken when Simon executes her lieutenants, leading to the massacre of her people. This in particular is what Simon wanted, as he was already pissed off having to restrain himself to only killing one Scavenger, and Jadis’s poor, non-genuine apology was what put him over the edge.
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* HowWeGotHere: Early in the episode, Rick and Michonne come upon the Scavengers' junkyard, but find it full of walkers. Only later on do we find out just ''how'' they came to be there; they ''[[AndThenJohnWasAZombie are]]'' the Scavengers, after being [[ShootTheShaggyDog massacred by the Saviors]] and left to reanimate.
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* HowWeGotHere: Early in the episode, Rick and Michonne come upon the Scavengers' junkyard, but unexpectedly find it full of walkers. Only later on as the episode progresses do we find out just ''how'' they how the undead horde came to be there; there, via flashback: they ''[[AndThenJohnWasAZombie are]]'' the Scavengers, after being [[ShootTheShaggyDog massacred by the Saviors]] and left to reanimate.
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* HowWeGotHere: Early in the episode, Rick and Michonne come upon the Scavengers' junkyard, but find it full of walkers. Only later on do we find out just ''how'' they came to be there; they ''[[AndThenJohnWasAZombie are]]'' the Scavengers, after being [[ShootTheShaggyDog massacred by the Saviors]] and left to reanimate.
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->''"Maybe we should cut our losses here. These people can't learn the lesson, no matter how many times we teach it. Alexandria, Hilltop, Kingdom, these garbage rats... they're not seeming to understand the situation. Not one little bit. So maybe we learn our lesson, scrape the plates into the trash. Move further out. Find other communities to... "save"."''
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The Scavengers pay the price for their duplicity as Simon chafes under Negan's command and Rick contends with Carl's last requests.
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->''"Maybe we should cut our losses here. These people can't learn the lesson, no matter how many times we teach it. Alexandria, Hilltop, Kingdom, these garbage rats... they're not seeming to understand the situation. Not one little bit. So maybe we learn our lesson, scrape the plates into the trash. Move further out. Find other communities to... "save"."''
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Simon comes into great conflict with Negan, since he just wants to slaughter all of the rebelling communities and find new ones to enslave, while Negan refuses since he still sees people as a resource. Simon ends up defying Negan's orders to kill just one Scavenger when he ends up slaughtering ''all'' of them besides Jadis.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Simon comes into great conflict with Negan, since he just wants to slaughter all of the rebelling communities and find new ones to enslave, while Negan refuses since he still sees people as a resource. Simon ends up defying Negan's orders to kill just one Scavenger when he ends up slaughtering ''all'' of them besides Jadis.Jadis.
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->''"I'm gonna kill you."''
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->''"I'm gonna kill you."''
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* ExactWords: “Just.. ''one'', Simon.” Simon promptly leaves ''one'' survivor of the Scavengers, Jadis, instead of killing ''one'' Scavenger if necessary.
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* NeverMyFault: Negan says it is Rick's fault Carl and all of his friends died because Rick was the one who couldn't deal with the way things things needed to be and got everyone to rebel against The Saviors. Negan takes none of the blame for the way he and the other Saviors constantly bully and kill other survivors and force them into unlivable conditions and claims that it will be Rivk's fault if anyone else dies unless he just surrenders.
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* NeverMyFault: Negan says it is Rick's fault Carl and all of his friends died because Rick was the one who couldn't deal with the way things things needed to be and got everyone to rebel against The Saviors. Negan takes none of the blame for the way he and the other Saviors constantly bully and kill other survivors and force them into unlivable conditions and claims that it will be Rivk's Rick's fault if anyone else dies unless he just surrenders.
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making the entry less insulting
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: After the loss of all of her people, Jadis drops the particular (and ridiculous) way of speaking she's used up to this point and speaks in complete sentences, driving home how devastated she is.
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* DisproportionateRetibution: Jadis punches Simon after he murders two of her people. So he '''kills everyone''' [[CruelMercy and spares only Jadis.]] Better yet, he does this after he had essentially gotten everything he wanted.
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* DisproportionateRetibution: DisproportionateRetribution: Jadis punches Simon after he murders two of her people. So he '''kills everyone''' [[CruelMercy and spares only Jadis.]] Better yet, he does this after he had essentially gotten everything he wanted.
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* DisporportionateRetibution: DisproportionateRetibution: Jadis punches Simon after he murders two of her people. So he '''kills everyone''' [[CruelMercy and spares only Jadis.]] Better yet, he does this after he had essentially gotten everything he wanted.
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* DisporportionateRetibution: Jadis punches Simon after he murders two of her people. So he '''kills everyone''' [[CruelMercy and spares only Jadis.]] Better yet, he does this after he had essentially gotten everything he wanted.
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* NeverMyFault: Negan says it is Rick's fault Carl and all of his friends died because Rick was the one who couldn't deal with the way things things needed to be and got everyone to rebel against The Saviors. Negan takes none of the blame for the way he and the other Saviors constantly bully and kill other survivors and force them into unlivable conditions and claims that it will be Rivk's fault if anyone else dies unless he just surrenders.
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Being gone from ONE episode in the meantime is not having been put on a bus.
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* TheBusCameBack: Gary appears again since the mid-season finale.
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*BodyHorror: A walker tears out his own face as he tries to squeeze through one of Alexandria's gates and another walker.
**Later on, the undead Scavengers are lured by Jadis into a meat grinder, and we see their remains roll out of the machine.
*TheBusCameBack: Gary appears again since the mid-season finale.
**Later on, the undead Scavengers are lured by Jadis into a meat grinder, and we see their remains roll out of the machine.
*TheBusCameBack: Gary appears again since the mid-season finale.
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*CruelMercy: Rick doesn't kill Jadis, but also ignores her request to be helped escape the Junkyard.
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That's really not what the trope is about
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* VillainHasAPoint: Simon argues that Alexandria, Hilltop, and the Kingdom should all be massacred because they are not willing to submit.
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* BadassBoast: When Cyndie is prepared to execute her and Aaron, Enid declares that it won't heal her grief over her grandmother, and that eventually, their people will return to Oceanside with a vengeance and one day wipe them out. It works, and Cyndie allows them to go free.
* DueToTheDead: Discussed and ultimately averted. Rick questions if Carl meant that he should just give up the war against Negan, and later tells Negan how Carl wished for them both to make peace. Rick defies his son's last wishes, however, and declares that he ''will'' still kill Negan no matter the cost.
* IllKillYou: Rick confirms to Negan that even despite the last wishes of his son, he will ''not'' stop trying to kill him.
* ItsPersonal: Downplayed with Simon. When he learns Hilltop is holding 38 of his troops from the satellite outpost hostage, he vehemently declares he will slaughter Hilltop for it as they're his men. However, it's made clear he's looking for ''any'' excuse to slaughter Hilltop, since Negan even said earlier that he knew he would've preferred to massacre them during the standoff in "How It's Gotta Be".
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* NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead: Averted. Negan says that he thinks Carl going to help Siddiq was stupid, and something Rick should've stopped him from doing.
* NotMeThisTime: A variation occurs when Rick reports Carl's death to Negan, who asks if he or his men were responsible. Rick denies it, explaining he was bit.
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: After the loss of all of her people, Jadis drops the particular (and ridiculous) way of speaking she's used up to this point and speaks in complete sentences, driving home how devastated sheis.is.
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Negan solemnly blames Rick for Carl's death, and for the deaths of all of his friends, stating that he's just getting them all killed because he refuses to submit to him.
* VillainHasAPoint: Simon argues that Alexandria, Hilltop, and the Kingdom should all be massacred because they are not willing to submit.
* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Simon comes into great conflict with Negan, since he just wants to slaughter all of the rebelling communities and find new ones to enslave, while Negan refuses since he still sees people as a resource. Simon ends up defying Negan's orders to kill just one Scavenger when he ends up slaughtering ''all'' of them besides Jadis.
* NotMeThisTime: A variation occurs when Rick reports Carl's death to Negan, who asks if he or his men were responsible. Rick denies it, explaining he was bit.
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: After the loss of all of her people, Jadis drops the particular (and ridiculous) way of speaking she's used up to this point and speaks in complete sentences, driving home how devastated she
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Negan solemnly blames Rick for Carl's death, and for the deaths of all of his friends, stating that he's just getting them all killed because he refuses to submit to him.
* VillainHasAPoint: Simon argues that Alexandria, Hilltop, and the Kingdom should all be massacred because they are not willing to submit.
* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Simon comes into great conflict with Negan, since he just wants to slaughter all of the rebelling communities and find new ones to enslave, while Negan refuses since he still sees people as a resource. Simon ends up defying Negan's orders to kill just one Scavenger when he ends up slaughtering ''all'' of them besides Jadis.
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* CallBack:
** The Scavengers previously joined forces with Rick when they were convinced the Saviors were on the verge of defeat in "Time For After", and were promptly attacked in "How It's Gotta Be".
** The survivors of the satellite outpost were taken as prisoners of war in "Monsters", and allowed to be imprisoned at Hilltop in "The King, the Widow, and Rick."
** Negan laments that he had plans for Carl; in "How It's Gotta Be", he professed a desire to turn Carl into one of his lieutenants, and judging by his comments here about him being the future in this episode, he potentially would've groomed him into being his successor.
** Simon already earned Negan's ire for his AxCrazy, genocidal tendencies in "The Big Scary U", when he again suggested massacring Hilltop.
** Aaron and Enid went to recruit Oceanside for the alliance, but were forced to kill Natania in self-defense in "How It's Gotta Be".
* ContinuityNod:
** Oceanside was raided by Alexandria for its' firearms in Season 7's "Something They Need".
** Negan brings up his murder of Glenn and Abraham in Season 7's "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be".
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: When told of Carl's death, Negan is genuinely saddened, and blames Rick for not protecting him, and orders him to surrender to him before he loses anyone else. What drives this trope home is Negan's sincerely somber tone of voice during the exchange; Negan sincerely believes that his subjugation is the only way, and that Rick is just a stubborn anomaly of sorts to his perceived natural order.
* InfantImmortality: Averted in regards to the Scavengers. At least one child was seen among the Scavengers, and she didn't survive the massacre.
* KillEmAll: When Jadis punches him for killing Brion and Tamiel, Simon has his troops massacre her people.
* MercyKill: Jadis leads her undead people into a meat grinder, putting them all down ''en masse''.
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: After the loss of all of her people, Jadis drops the particular (and ridiculous) way of speaking she's used up to this point and speaks in complete sentences, driving home how devastated she is.
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* CallBack:
** The Scavengers previously joined forces with Rick when they were convinced the Saviors were on the verge of defeat in "Time For After", and were promptly attacked in "How It's Gotta Be".
** The survivors of the satellite outpost were taken as prisoners of war in "Monsters", and allowed to be imprisoned at Hilltop in "The King, the Widow, and Rick."
** Negan laments that he had plans for Carl; in "How It's Gotta Be", he professed a desire to turn Carl into one of his lieutenants, and judging by his comments here about him being the future in this episode, he potentially would've groomed him into being his successor.
** Simon already earned Negan's ire for his AxCrazy, genocidal tendencies in "The Big Scary U", when he again suggested massacring Hilltop.
** Aaron and Enid went to recruit Oceanside for the alliance, but were forced to kill Natania in self-defense in "How It's Gotta Be".
* ContinuityNod:
** Oceanside was raided by Alexandria for its' firearms in Season 7's "Something They Need".
** Negan brings up his murder of Glenn and Abraham in Season 7's "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be".
* EvilCannotComprehendGood: When told of Carl's death, Negan is genuinely saddened, and blames Rick for not protecting him, and orders him to surrender to him before he loses anyone else. What drives this trope home is Negan's sincerely somber tone of voice during the exchange; Negan sincerely believes that his subjugation is the only way, and that Rick is just a stubborn anomaly of sorts to his perceived natural order.
* InfantImmortality: Averted in regards to the Scavengers. At least one child was seen among the Scavengers, and she didn't survive the massacre.
* KillEmAll: When Jadis punches him for killing Brion and Tamiel, Simon has his troops massacre her people.
* MercyKill: Jadis leads her undead people into a meat grinder, putting them all down ''en masse''.
* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: After the loss of all of her people, Jadis drops the particular (and ridiculous) way of speaking she's used up to this point and speaks in complete sentences, driving home how devastated she is.
