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** Gettysburg certainly wasn't an atrocity: it was a bloody loss of life, but was still a military engagement between fairly equally-armed sides. The site of the battle is a memorial, yes, but comparing it to the Nakan massacre or the Romulan attack Khitomer (both of which were against civilian populations) is a ''huge'' reach.

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** Gettysburg certainly wasn't an atrocity: it was a bloody loss of life, but was still a military engagement between fairly equally-armed sides. The site of the battle is a memorial, yes, but comparing it to the Nakan massacre or the Romulan attack on Khitomer (both of which were against civilian populations) is a ''huge'' reach.
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** While Gettysburg was the site of a major battle, it certainly wasn't an atrocity. It can't be compared to the Nakan massacre or to Khitomer.

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** While Gettysburg was the site of a major battle, it certainly wasn't an atrocity. It can't be compared atrocity: it was a bloody loss of life, but was still a military engagement between fairly equally-armed sides. The site of the battle is a memorial, yes, but comparing it to the Nakan massacre or to Khitomer.the Romulan attack Khitomer (both of which were against civilian populations) is a ''huge'' reach.



* {{Claustrophobia}}: The first symptom Kim struggles with, triggered by his working in a Jeffries tube.

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* {{Claustrophobia}}: The first symptom Kim Harry struggles with, triggered by his working in a Jeffries tube.



* HistoryRepeats: The reason the memorial was so extreme was an attempt to prevent this--when they find the obelisk, part of the inscription reads "Words alone cannot prevent this from happening again."

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* HistoryRepeats: The reason the memorial was so extreme was an attempt to prevent this--when this -- when they find the obelisk, part of the inscription reads "Words alone cannot prevent this from happening again." "



* ItWontTurnOff: Tom Paris realizes something is wrong when he starts seeing an alien war taking place on his TV set and he can't change the channels.

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* ItWontTurnOff: Tom Paris realizes something is wrong when he starts seeing an alien war taking place on his TV set and he can't change the channels.channels. Then he sees ''himself'' taking part and begins to relive the experience in his sleep.



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: The crew of the Delta Flyer, and then the crew of the whole ship, not knowing if their memories are fake or if they really did participate in a massacre.

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: The crew of the Delta Flyer, ''Delta Flyer'', and then the crew of the whole ship, not knowing if their memories are fake or if they really did participate in a massacre.



* SelfDeprecatingHumor: A meta example--Tom Paris, a character on a TV show, comments on how TV was considered a bad influence.

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* SelfDeprecatingHumor: A meta example--Tom Paris, example -- Tom, a character on a TV show, comments on how TV was considered a bad influence.



* ShootHimHeHasAWallet: In Harry's flashback, he's crawling through a tunnel in total panic when he reaches a chamber with a man and a woman, whom he nearly kills on sight. After he gets directions from them on how to escape and is just about to do so, the man drops to grab something, and Harry and his rifle go ballistic on them.

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* ShootHimHeHasAWallet: In Harry's flashback, he's crawling through a tunnel in total panic when he reaches a chamber with a man and a woman, whom he nearly kills on sight. After he gets directions from them on how to escape and is just about to do so, the man drops to grab something, stumbles, and Harry and his rifle go ballistic on them.
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* BrokenAesop:
** The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and long-term psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but the Voyager crew are clearly horrified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OOC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.
** [[https://reviewboy.com/memorial.html Jim "Reviewboy" Wright]] points out another flaw in the lesson -- the experience may not affect the viewer the way it's meant to.
--->"This indiscriminate imposition of traumatic memory, though perhaps well meaning, is not the best approach--and may in fact be counterproductive. If the recipient is not chosen wisely, might not some of those who relive these memories actually ''approve'' of the slaughter? How would you expect a Hirogen to react, for example? They might simply be disappointed that the prey were so easy to hunt. Another species, as ignorant of homicide as last week's aliens were to music, could decide they ''like'' the sensation and look for someone else to kill for an encore."
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'''Tom:''': ''(yells at the TV)'' Oh! Look at that!\\

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'''Tom:''': '''Tom:''' ''(yells at the TV)'' Oh! Look at that!\\
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** The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and long-term psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horrified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.

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** The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and long-term psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but the Voyager crew are clearly horrified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC OOC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.
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After a routine scouting mission, Chakotay, Tom, Harry, and Neelix begin experiencing memories of an atrocity that they committed. As more of the ''Voyager'' crew also begin experiencing similar memories, they come across a planet with a memorial that projects images of the very same atrocity that occurred years ago, and are faced with the dilemma of either shutting it down or keeping it active so that others will know what took place in that planet's history.

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After a routine scouting mission, Chakotay, Tom, Harry, and Neelix begin experiencing memories of an atrocity that they committed. As more of the ''Voyager'' crew also begin experiencing similar memories, they come across a planet with a memorial that projects images of the very same atrocity that occurred years decades ago, and are faced with the dilemma of either shutting it down or keeping it active so that others will know what took place in that planet's history.



** The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.

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** The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm long-term psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horified horrified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In-universe when Tom points out that TV's didn't have remotes until after the 50's and B'Elanna calls it "poetic license". (In truth, though, the first TV remote control was invented in 1950, to be precise, a wireless remote control, the "Flashmatic," was developed in 1955 by Eugene Polley.)

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In-universe when Tom points out that TV's didn't have remotes until after the 50's and B'Elanna calls it "poetic license". (In truth, though, the first TV remote control was invented in 1950, to be precise, a wireless remote control, the "Flashmatic," was developed in 1955 by Eugene Polley.))
** While Gettysburg was the site of a major battle, it certainly wasn't an atrocity. It can't be compared to the Nakan massacre or to Khitomer.
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* DistressCall: A reverse one. While they did repair the memorial, the voyager crew make sure to send out several beacon to warn people of it's effects.

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* DistressCall: A reverse one. While they did do repair the memorial, the voyager ''Voyager'' crew make sure to send out several leave a beacon to warn people of it's its effects.

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* BrokenAesop: The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.

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* BrokenAesop: BrokenAesop:
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The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horified and incapable of understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more due to machine degradation that they only receives bit and pieces of it, but it clear that the mental backlash did more harm than good.good.
** [[https://reviewboy.com/memorial.html Jim "Reviewboy" Wright]] points out another flaw in the lesson -- the experience may not affect the viewer the way it's meant to.
--->"This indiscriminate imposition of traumatic memory, though perhaps well meaning, is not the best approach--and may in fact be counterproductive. If the recipient is not chosen wisely, might not some of those who relive these memories actually ''approve'' of the slaughter? How would you expect a Hirogen to react, for example? They might simply be disappointed that the prey were so easy to hunt. Another species, as ignorant of homicide as last week's aliens were to music, could decide they ''like'' the sensation and look for someone else to kill for an encore."
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* DistressCall: A reverse one. While they did repair the memorial, the voyager crew make sure to send out several beacon to warn people of it's effects.
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* BrokenAesop: The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horified and incapable of understading how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Given implanting those FakeMemories resulted in Neelix taking little Naomi hostage and crew in general becoming more agressive and unstable (and that it's only the memories of the perpetuators that are implanted, not of the victims) the exposure to its effect seems more likely to lead to violence, instead of preventing it.

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* BrokenAesop: The lesson of the episode is that it's necessary to preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but Voyager crew are clearly horified and incapable of understading understanding how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is highly OCC of them. Given implanting those FakeMemories resulted in Neelix taking little Naomi hostage and crew in general becoming Even with the fact that later we learn that it was more agressive and unstable (and due to machine degradation that it's they only the memories receives bit and pieces of the perpetuators it, but it clear that are implanted, not of the victims) the exposure to its effect seems mental backlash did more likely to lead to violence, instead of preventing it.harm than good.
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* BrokenAesop: Averted. Despite Much like "Remember," the lesson here is to remember the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, and this is done by implanting memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people. but there is also some truth in that idea. Preserving the memory of the massacre, and fostering a sense of collective social responsibility, is the best way to minimize the risk of something that horrific and that barbarous ever happening again.

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* BrokenAesop: Averted. Despite Much like "Remember," the The lesson here of the episode is that it's necessary to remember preserve the memory the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, and this is done no matter how horrific it may be. However, the titular memorial doing so by implanting traumatizing memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people. people, comes of as ridiculously harmful and ineffective. Not only is it shown to be highly traumatizing, doing serious and longterm psychological damage to the people exposed to it, but there Voyager crew are clearly horified and incapable of understading how could they do anything like this, and the episode relies on viewers knowing this is also some truth highly OCC of them. Given implanting those FakeMemories resulted in Neelix taking little Naomi hostage and crew in general becoming more agressive and unstable (and that idea. Preserving it's only the memory memories of the massacre, and fostering a sense of collective social responsibility, is the best way to minimize the risk of something perpetuators that horrific and that barbarous ever happening again.are implanted, not of the victims) the exposure to its effect seems more likely to lead to violence, instead of preventing it.
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* BrokenAesop: Much like "Remember," the lesson here is to remember the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, and this is done by implanting memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people.

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* BrokenAesop: BrokenAesop: Averted. Despite Much like "Remember," the lesson here is to remember the tragedies of the past to ensure they never happen again, and this is done by implanting memories of said tragedies into the minds of unknowing people.people. but there is also some truth in that idea. Preserving the memory of the massacre, and fostering a sense of collective social responsibility, is the best way to minimize the risk of something that horrific and that barbarous ever happening again.
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In-universe when Tom points out that TV's didn't have remotes until after the 50's and B'Elanna calls it "poetic license". (In truth, though, the first TV remote control was invented in 1950.)

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: In-universe when Tom points out that TV's didn't have remotes until after the 50's and B'Elanna calls it "poetic license". (In truth, though, the first TV remote control was invented in 1950.1950, to be precise, a wireless remote control, the "Flashmatic," was developed in 1955 by Eugene Polley.)
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Tom is protrayed as the bad guy for shouting at B'Elanna, but he asked her not to try and comfort him and to leave him alone and she kept pushing at him. He also immediately apologised, but she left in a huff without accepting it.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: Tom is protrayed portrayed as the bad guy for shouting at B'Elanna, but he asked her not to try and comfort him and to leave him alone and she kept pushing at him. He also immediately apologised, but she left in a huff without accepting it.
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* FamousFamousFictional: The examples of other honored war memorials Janeway gives to justify repairing the alien device.
-->'''Janeway:''' The obelisk at Khitomer. The fields at Gettysburg. Those were other people's memories too, but we don't honor them any less.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Tom is protrayed as the bad guy for shouting at B'Elanna, but he asked her not to try and comfort him and to leave him alone and she kept pushing at him. He also immediately apologised, but she left in a huff without accepting it.

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