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* PunctuatedPounding: When Culber attacks Tyler to reawaken Voq.
--> '''Culber:''' BRING! HIM! OUT!
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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHim: Burnham does to to Spock in her flashback, to protect him from the logic extremists.

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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHim: Burnham does to this to Spock in her flashback, to protect him from the logic extremists.



** The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a “half-breed,” which is exactly what Kirk (or rather, his duplicate) calls Spock in the original series episode “What are Little Girls Made Of?”

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** The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a “half-breed,” "half-breed," which is exactly what Kirk (or rather, his duplicate) calls Spock in the original series episode “What "What are Little Girls Made Of?”Of?"


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* RoomFullOfCrazy: A flashback shows Spock in a holding cell with the floor scribbled all over with symbols and formulas.
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* LiteralMetaphor: Tyler says that his relationship with Michael ended because he wasn't the man she thought he was. He really, really, wasn't.
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* OrbitalBombardment: This is how Georgiou mentions she wiped out the Talosians in her universe, after they attempted to deceive her using illusions.
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** The “Goodbye Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, but never used by Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie Allen.

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** The “Goodbye Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, [[BeamMeUpScotty but never used by by]] Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie Allen.

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** The “Goodbye Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, but never used by Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie Allen

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** The “Goodbye Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, but never used by Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie AllenAllen.
*** A "George and Gracie" reference? In Trek? [[Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome You don't say ...]]
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* NotSoDifferent: At the end of Culber's fight with Tyler, he screams in frustration that he doesn't know who he is anymore. Tyler, sympathetically, responds "[[SplitPersonality Who do you think]] [[ManchurianAgent you're talking to?]]"
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* ArmorPiercingResponse: Leland to Georgiou on how she didn't let AI dictate policy in her universe - 'how did that work out for you?', given how she's now an ex-emperor stranded in a different universe.


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* ButtMonkey: Between being ignored by the admirals in favour of Georgiou, being humiliated in front of his crew when the Talosian illusion is revealed as such and the imminent prospect of having to account for losing Spock and Burnham to the admirals, Leland isn't having much fun this episode.

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* ShoutOut: The illusory black hole at Talos IV is one to ''Film/{{Interstellar}}'', even using some of the same camera angles.

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illusory black hole at Talos IV is one to ''Film/{{Interstellar}}'', even using some of the same camera angles.
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**The “Goodbye Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, but never used by Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie Allen

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* MythologyGag: During young Burnham's breaking speech to Spock, she describes his humanity as a lone person on a cold moon. This literal situation is where Kirk finds future Spock in the ''Film/StarTrek2009'' reboot film.

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* MythologyGag: MythologyGag:
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During young Burnham's breaking speech to Spock, she describes his humanity as a lone person on a cold moon. This literal situation is where Kirk finds future Spock in the ''Film/StarTrek2009'' reboot film.film.
** The episode's title is a piece of phrasing Spock himself occasionally used through the original series.
** Spock smiles on seeing Pike, much like how in "The Cage" Spock was more emotive thanks to some EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.


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* ThereAreNoPsychiatrists: Culber is clearly not adjusting at all to his resurrection, showing signs of severe trauma - lack of interest in eating, detached, easily angered, but no-one thinks it's a good idea to even suggest taking him to see a shrink.
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* CallBack:
** Scenes from "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]" give the viewer a quick recap of how Spock and Pike have previously been involved with Talos IV.
* ContinuityNod: Starbase 11 is where ''Enterprise'' was sent to pick up Pike [[Recap/StarTrekS1E11TheMenageriePartI in the future to return him to Talos IV]].
** The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a “half-breed,” which is exactly what Kirk (Or rather, his duplicate) calls Spock in the original series episode “What are Little Girls Made Of?”

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* CallBack:
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CallBack: Scenes from "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]" give the viewer [[PreviouslyOn a quick recap recap]] of how Spock and Pike have previously been involved with Talos IV.
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Starbase 11 is where the ''Enterprise'' was will one day be sent to pick up Pike [[Recap/StarTrekS1E11TheMenageriePartI in the future to return him to Talos IV]].
** The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a “half-breed,” which is exactly what Kirk (Or (or rather, his duplicate) calls Spock in the original series episode “What are Little Girls Made Of?”



* EvolutionaryRetcon: Aside from different actors playing the characters, the PreviouslyOn that begins the episode with scenes from the original version of Talos IV shows the very different head designs for the Talosians, changing them from MyBrainIsBig humans to sleeker RubberForeheadAliens (with enlarged craniums), more elaborate costumes, and even a more alien-looking version of the "singing" blue-leaved plants. Vina's true appearance is also significantly different, with the makeup looking less like the patchwork original version.

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* EvolutionaryRetcon: Aside from different actors playing the characters, the PreviouslyOn that begins the episode with scenes from the original version of Talos IV Original Series' "The Cage" shows the very different head designs for the Talosians, changing them from MyBrainIsBig humans to sleeker RubberForeheadAliens (with enlarged craniums), more elaborate costumes, and even a more alien-looking version of the "singing" blue-leaved plants. Vina's true appearance is also significantly different, with the makeup looking less like the patchwork original version.



* {{Frameup}}: Tyler is framed by Airiam for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.
* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say goodbye, Spock," when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Goodbye Spock" as the illusions fade.

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* {{Frameup}}: Tyler is framed by Airiam [[TheMole Airiam]] for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.
* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say goodbye, Spock," when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Goodbye "Goodbye, Spock" as the illusions fade.



* PercussiveTherapy: Culber gets into a fist-fight with Tyler to help work out his issues. Saru allows it because he figures there's no recommended therapy for a BackFromTheDead doctor and the human/Klingon hybrid who killed him. Pike buys this reasoning but doesn't want it happening again.

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* PercussiveTherapy: Culber gets into a fist-fight with Tyler to help work out his issues. Saru allows it because he figures there's no recommended therapy for a BackFromTheDead doctor and the human/Klingon hybrid who killed him. Pike buys this reasoning reasoning, but doesn't want it happening again.



** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended on the concept of forward-moving linear time as a basis of reality. After his encounter with the Red Angel he started remembering future events and past events, breaking his sense of linear time and thus breaking him.

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** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended on the concept of forward-moving linear time as a basis of reality. After his encounter with the Red Angel he started remembering future events and past events, breaking his sense of linear time and thus [[GoMadFromTheRevelation breaking him.him]].



** Starfleet lied about Spock murdering several people.

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** In a more predictable vein, Starfleet lied about Spock murdering several people.people during his escape.



* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: Pike disobeys standing Starfleet order to return to Talos IV to pick up Burnham and Spock, then goes rogue when ordered to go to Starbase 11 once Burnham and Spock inform him what the stakes really are and what the Red Angel is trying to prevent. The rest of the crew don't even wait for him to make the standard "I'm about to disobey orders" speech to give them legal cover before they announce they're with him.

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* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: Pike disobeys standing Starfleet order General Order 7 to return to Talos IV to pick up Burnham and Spock, then goes rogue when ordered to go to Starbase 11 once Burnham and Spock inform him what the stakes really are and what the Red Angel [[ApocalypseHow is trying to prevent.prevent]]. The rest of the crew don't even wait for him to make the standard "I'm about to disobey orders" speech to give them legal cover before they announce they're with him.



* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV Pike realizes it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.

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* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV IV, Pike realizes it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.


** Young Burnham is nearly killed on Vulcan's Forge by what looks like a le-matya, the same creature that killed young Spock's pet sehlat in the animated series' "[[Recap/StarTrekTheAnimatedSeriesS1E2Yesteryear Yesteryear]]".

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** Young The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a “half-breed,” which is nearly killed on Vulcan's Forge by exactly what looks like a le-matya, the same creature that killed young Spock's pet sehlat Kirk (Or rather, his duplicate) calls Spock in the animated series' "[[Recap/StarTrekTheAnimatedSeriesS1E2Yesteryear Yesteryear]]".original series episode “What are Little Girls Made Of?”
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* ShoutOut: The illusory black hole at Talos IV is one to ''Film/{{Interstellar}}'', even using some of the same camera angles.
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* {{Troll}}: Either the Talosians, Burnham and Spock, or both groups together troll Leland when the illusory Burnham and Spock on the Section 31 ship disappear with the "Say goodbye, Spock" joke.

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* {{Troll}}: Either the The Talosians, Burnham Burnham, and Spock, or both groups together Spock troll Leland when the illusory Burnham and Spock on the Section 31 ship disappear with the "Say goodbye, Spock" joke.
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* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: Pike disobeys standing Starfleet order to return to Talos IV to pick up Burnham and Spock, then goes rogue when ordered to go to Starbase 11 once Burnham and Spock inform him what the stakes really are and what the Red Angel is trying to prevent. The rest of the crew don't even wait for him to make the standard "I'm about to disobey orders" speech to give them legal cover before they announce they're with him.
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** Young Burnham is nearly killed on Vulcan's Forge by what looks like a le-matya, the same creature that killed young Spock's pet sehlat in the animated series' "[[Recap/StarTrekTheAnimatedSeriesS1E2Yesteryear Yesteryear]]".
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* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV Pike knows it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.

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* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV Pike knows realizes it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.
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* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV Pike knows it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.
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* DramaticIrony: Pike and Vina share a few minutes together and give each other what they assume is a final goodbye. [[Recap/StarTrekS1E11TheMenageriePartII Star Trek TOS viewers know it isn't.]]

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* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say hello, Spock," when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Hello Spock" as the illusions fade.

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* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say hello, goodbye, Spock," when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Hello "Goodbye Spock" as the illusions fade.



* NoBodyLeftBehind: Tilly reports that they've collected about a metric ton worth of debris from the shuttle explosion, but not a single bit of it is from the modified probe.



* {{Troll}}: Either the Talosians, Burnham and Spock, or both groups together troll Leland when the illusionary Burnham and Spock on the Section 31 ship disappear with the "Say hello, Spock" joke.

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* ThatManIsDead: Culber tells Stamets that the Hugh that he knew is gone, and that the sooner he moves forward the better.
* {{Troll}}: Either the Talosians, Burnham and Spock, or both groups together troll Leland when the illusionary illusory Burnham and Spock on the Section 31 ship disappear with the "Say hello, goodbye, Spock" joke.joke.
* YouDidntAsk: After the illusions of Burnham and Spock fade, Georgiou mentions the Talosians tried that trick in her universe and she wiped them all out. Leland demands to know why she didn't mention it, and she responds that she can't wait to see him explain this to "the Admirals".
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** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended on the concept of linear time as a basis for rationality. After his encounter with the Red Angel, he started remembering future events which broke that concept, and thus him.

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** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended on the concept of forward-moving linear time as a basis for rationality. of reality. After his encounter with the Red Angel, Angel he started remembering future events which broke that concept, and past events, breaking his sense of linear time and thus breaking him.
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** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended on the concept of linear time as a basis for rationality. After his encounter with the Red Angel, he started remembering future events which broke that concept, and thus him.
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* NotEvilJustMisunderstood: The Talosians are not just selfishly looking for other beings to enjoy their memories and experiences, which is what Michael initially assumes when they ask for her memory of hurting Spock. Vina provides herself as an example, since the Talosians want her to live a healthy life without being crippled through their power of illusion. The Talosians just need Burnham's memory to help heal Spock.

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* NotEvilJustMisunderstood: The Talosians are not just selfishly looking for other beings to enjoy their memories and experiences, which is what Michael initially assumes when they ask for her memory of hurting Spock. Vina provides herself as an example, since the Talosians want her to live a healthy life without being crippled through their power of illusion. The Talosians just need Burnham's memory to help heal Spock. Later, they help Michael and Spock return to Discovery by causing the illusion that they were captured by the Section 31 ship.
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* ContinuityNod: Starbase 11 is where ''Enterprise'' was sent to pick up Pike [[Recap/StarTrekS1E11TheMenageriePartI in the future to return him to Talos IV]].


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* EvolutionaryRetcon: Aside from different actors playing the characters, the PreviouslyOn that begins the episode with scenes from the original version of Talos IV shows the very different head designs for the Talosians, changing them from MyBrainIsBig humans to sleeker RubberForeheadAliens (with enlarged craniums), more elaborate costumes, and even a more alien-looking version of the "singing" blue-leaved plants. Vina's true appearance is also significantly different, with the makeup looking less like the patchwork original version.


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* PreviouslyOn: The show begins with a recap from the original episode "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]".


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* {{Troll}}: Either the Talosians, Burnham and Spock, or both groups together troll Leland when the illusionary Burnham and Spock on the Section 31 ship disappear with the "Say hello, Spock" joke.
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* NotEvilJustMisunderstood: The Talosians are not just selfishly looking for other beings to enjoy their memories and experiences, which is what Michael initially assumes when they ask for her memory of hurting Spock. Vina provides herself as an example, since the Talosians want her to live a healthy life without being crippled through their power of illusion. The Talosians just need Burnham's memory to help heal Spock.
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** Scene from "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]" give the viewer a quick recap of how Spock and Pike have previously been involved with Talos IV.

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** Scene Scenes from "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]" give the viewer a quick recap of how Spock and Pike have previously been involved with Talos IV.
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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHim: Burnham does to to Spock in her flashback, to protect him from the logic extremists.
* CallBack:
** Scene from "[[Recap/StarTrekS1E0TheCage The Cage]]" give the viewer a quick recap of how Spock and Pike have previously been involved with Talos IV.
* EarthShatteringKaboom: The robotic army in the future is shown blowing up various Federation planets, and apparently did so to every inhabited world in the galaxy.
* EvolvingCredits: The Red Angel in the credits is shown in much clearer detail, reflective of what the characters and audience learned in the previous episode.



* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say hello, Spock," when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Hello Spock" as the illusions fade.
* MythologyGag: During young Burnham's breaking speech to Spock, she describes his humanity as a lone person on a cold moon. This literal situation is where Kirk finds future Spock in the ''Film/StarTrek2009'' reboot film.
* PercussiveTherapy: Culber gets into a fist-fight with Tyler to help work out his issues. Saru allows it because he figures there's no recommended therapy for a BackFromTheDead doctor and the human/Klingon hybrid who killed him. Pike buys this reasoning but doesn't want it happening again.



** In order to protect him from the logic extremists, Burnham called Spock a half-breed and claimed not to love him.

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** In order to protect him from the logic extremists, Burnham called Spock a half-breed and claimed not to love him.him.
* SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong:
** The Red Angel showed young Spock where to find Burnham because otherwise she would have been mauled to death by one of the native creatures in the forest.
** The Red Angel's larger goal is to manipulate events to keep all life in the future from being wiped out.
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Burnham and Spock receive help from the Talosians in restoring his sanity, while ''Discovery'' continues their investigation of the probe from the future.
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!!Tropes in this episode:
* {{Frameup}}: Tyler is framed by Airiam for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.
* TheReveal:
** Spock attempted to mind-meld with the Red Angel, seeing a vision of the future where probes like the one that attacked the shuttle last episode wiped out all intelligent life in the galaxy.
** The Red Angel is a human from the future, attempting to change history to avert the tragedy Spock was shown.
** Starfleet lied about Spock murdering several people.
** In order to protect him from the logic extremists, Burnham called Spock a half-breed and claimed not to love him.

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