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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Burnham tries to apologize to Spock, but he keeps coldly brushing off her attempts, and digs into her for what he sees as putting herself as the important focus of the situation. This hints that the argument that drove them apart isn't the sole reason he rebuffed her attempts for all these years.



* InnocentlyInsensitive: Stamets is doing his best to try and get Dr. Culber readjusted to being alive. All of those attempts only further anger Culber, who finds himself an entirely different person, and can't go back to the way things were.
* KickTheDog: Burnham desperately pleads with Spock to try and patch things up between them, but all Spock does is not only reject her apologies yet again, but goes so far as to say he was foolish to have admired her when he was a child.



** During young Burnham's breaking speech to Spock, she describes his humanity as a lone person on a cold moon. This literal situation is where Kirk finds future Spock in the ''Film/StarTrek2009'' reboot film.

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** During young Burnham's breaking speech to Spock, she describes his humanity as a lone person on a cold moon. This literal situation is where Kirk finds future Spock in the ''Film/StarTrek2009'' reboot film. One has to wonder if Spock Prime found irony in this when he was stranded there.



** In order to protect him from the logic extremists, Burnham called Spock a half-breed and claimed not to love him.

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** In order to protect him from the logic extremists, Burnham called Spock a half-breed and claimed not to love him. Spock (as revealed in later episodes) took this act as proof that Michael was selfishly trying to make herself more important, and refused to speak to her ever since, especially since she never stopped this behavior into her adult years.


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* SequelEpisode: To "The Cage", alias the very first episode of ''Trek'' ever, as the viewers return to Talos IV to watch Spock recover his memory.
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* ThereAreNoPsychiatrists: Culber is clearly not adjusting at all to his resurrection, showing signs of severe trauma - uninterested in eating, detached, easily angered - but no-one thinks it's a good idea to even suggest taking him to see a shrink (assuming that there even ''is'' a shrink aboard ''Discovery'', given Starfleet's frequent disregard for mental health).
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* ButtMonkey: Between being ignored by the admirals in favour of Georgiou, being humiliated in front of his crew when the Talosian illusion is revealed as such and the imminent prospect of having to account for losing Spock and Burnham to the admirals, Leland isn't having much fun this episode.

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* ButtMonkey: Between being ignored by the admirals in favour of Georgiou, being humiliated in front of his crew when the Talosian illusion is revealed as such such, and the imminent prospect of having to account for losing Spock and Burnham to the admirals, Leland isn't having much fun this episode.



** The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a "half-breed," which is exactly what Kirk (or rather, his duplicate) calls Spock in the original series episode "What are Little Girls Made Of?"

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** The choice of insult is a huge reference. Tellingly, Burnham calls Spock a "half-breed," which is exactly what Kirk (or rather, rather his duplicate) calls Spock in the original series episode "What are Are Little Girls Made Of?"



* DramaticIrony: Pike and Vina share a few minutes together and give each other what they assume is a final goodbye. [[Recap/StarTrekS1E11TheMenageriePartII Star Trek TOS viewers know it isn't.]]

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* DramaticIrony: Pike and Vina share a few minutes together and give each other what they assume is a final goodbye. [[Recap/StarTrekS1E11TheMenageriePartII Star Trek TOS viewers know that it isn't.]]



* FrameUp: Tyler is framed by [[TheMole Airiam]] for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.

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* FrameUp: Tyler is framed by [[TheMole Airiam]] frames Tyler for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.



* LiteralMetaphor: Tyler says that his relationship with Michael ended because he wasn't the man she thought he was. He really, really, wasn't.
* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say goodbye, Spock," when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Goodbye, Spock" as the illusions fade.

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* LiteralMetaphor: Tyler says that his relationship with Michael ended because he wasn't the man she thought he was. He really, really, really wasn't.
* LiteralMinded: Burnham tells Spock "Say goodbye, Spock," Spock" when illusions of them are beamed aboard Leland's ship. Spock gives the Vulcan salute and says "Goodbye, Spock" as the illusions fade.



** The episode's title is a piece of phrasing Spock himself occasionally used through the original series.

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** The episode's title is a piece of phrasing phrase that Spock himself occasionally used through the original series.



* NotEvilJustMisunderstood: The Talosians are not just selfishly looking for other beings to enjoy their memories and experiences, which is what Michael initially assumes when they ask for her memory of hurting Spock. Vina provides herself as an example, since the Talosians want her to live a healthy life without being crippled through their power of illusion. The Talosians just need Burnham's memory to help heal Spock. Later, they help Michael and Spock return to Discovery by causing the illusion that they were captured by the Section 31 ship.

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* NotEvilJustMisunderstood: The Talosians are not just selfishly looking for other beings to enjoy their memories and experiences, which is what as Michael initially assumes when they ask for her memory of hurting Spock. Vina provides herself as an example, since the Talosians want her to live a healthy life without being crippled through their power of illusion. The Talosians just need Burnham's memory to help heal Spock. Later, they help Michael and Spock return to Discovery ''Discovery'' by causing the creating an illusion that they were captured by the Section 31 ship.



* OrbitalBombardment: This is how Georgiou mentions she wiped out the Talosians in her universe, after they attempted to deceive her using illusions.
* PercussiveTherapy: Culber gets into a fist-fight with Tyler to help work out his issues. Saru allows it because he figures there's no recommended therapy for a BackFromTheDead doctor and the human/Klingon hybrid who killed him. Pike buys this reasoning, but doesn't want it happening again.

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* OrbitalBombardment: This is how Georgiou mentions that this is how she wiped out the Talosians in her universe, after they attempted to deceive her using illusions.
* PercussiveTherapy: Culber gets into a fist-fight with Tyler to help work out his issues. Saru allows it because he figures that there's no recommended therapy for a BackFromTheDead doctor and the human/Klingon hybrid who killed him. Pike buys this reasoning, but doesn't want it happening again.



** Spock attempted to mind-meld with the Red Angel, seeing a vision of the future where probes like the one that attacked the shuttle last episode wiped out all intelligent life in the galaxy.
** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended on the concept of forward-moving linear time as a basis of reality. After his encounter with the Red Angel he started remembering future events and past events, breaking his sense of linear time and thus [[GoMadFromTheRevelation breaking him]].
** The Red Angel is a human from the future, attempting to change history to avert the tragedy Spock was shown.

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** Spock attempted to mind-meld with the Red Angel, seeing a vision of the future where all intelligent life in the galaxy was wiped out by probes like the one that attacked the shuttle last episode wiped out all intelligent life in the galaxy.
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** Spock's mental breakdown was caused because he depended by his dependence on the concept of forward-moving linear time as a basis of reality. After his encounter with the Red Angel Angel, he started remembering future events and as well as past events, breaking his sense of linear time and thus [[GoMadFromTheRevelation breaking him]].
** The Red Angel is a human from the future, attempting to change history to avert the tragedy that Spock was shown.



* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: Pike disobeys General Order 7 to return to Talos IV to pick up Burnham and Spock, then goes rogue when ordered to go to Starbase 11 once Burnham and Spock inform him what the stakes really are and what the Red Angel [[ApocalypseHow is trying to prevent]]. The rest of the crew don't even wait for him to make the standard "I'm about to disobey orders" speech to give them legal cover before they announce they're with him.

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* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: Pike disobeys General Order 7 to return to Talos IV to pick up Burnham and Spock, then goes rogue when ordered to go to Starbase 11 once Burnham and Spock inform him what the stakes really are and what the Red Angel [[ApocalypseHow is trying to prevent]]. The rest of the crew don't even wait for him to make the standard "I'm about to disobey orders" speech to give them legal cover before they announce that they're with him.



** The “Goodbye Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, [[BeamMeUpScotty but never used by]] Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie Allen.

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** The “Goodbye “Goodbye, Spock” joke is likely a reference to the famous ending line attributed to, to [[BeamMeUpScotty but (but never used by]] by)]] Creator/GeorgeBurns and Gracie Allen.



* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV, Pike realizes it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.
* ThatManIsDead: Culber tells Stamets that the Hugh that he knew is gone, and that the sooner he moves forward the better.
* ThereAreNoPsychiatrists: Culber is clearly not adjusting at all to his resurrection, showing signs of severe trauma - lack of interest in eating, detached, easily angered, but no-one thinks it's a good idea to even suggest taking him to see a shrink (assuming there even ''is'' a shrink aboard ''Discovery'', given Starfleet's frequent disregard for mental health).

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* SpottingTheThread: Although there isn't time to deal with it this episode, when Leland and his ship show up on the way to Talos IV, Pike realizes that it couldn't have been Tyler who tipped them off because he was in custody.
* ThatManIsDead: Culber tells Stamets that the Hugh that he knew is gone, and that the sooner he moves forward forward, the better.
* ThereAreNoPsychiatrists: Culber is clearly not adjusting at all to his resurrection, showing signs of severe trauma - lack of interest uninterested in eating, detached, easily angered, angered - but no-one thinks it's a good idea to even suggest taking him to see a shrink (assuming that there even ''is'' a shrink aboard ''Discovery'', given Starfleet's frequent disregard for mental health).



* YouDidntAsk: After the illusions of Burnham and Spock fade, Georgiou mentions the Talosians tried that trick in her universe and she wiped them all out. Leland demands to know why she didn't mention it, and she responds that she can't wait to see him explain this to "the Admirals".

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* YouDidntAsk: After the illusions of Burnham and Spock fade, Georgiou mentions that the Talosians tried that trick in her universe and she wiped them all out. Leland demands to know why she didn't mention it, and she responds that she can't wait to see him explain this to "the Admirals".
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* NotSoDifferent: At the end of Culber's fight with Tyler, he screams in frustration that he doesn't know who he is anymore. Tyler, sympathetically, responds "[[SplitPersonality Who do you think]] [[ManchurianAgent you're talking to?]]"

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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: At the end of Culber's fight with Tyler, he screams in frustration that he doesn't know who he is anymore. Tyler, sympathetically, responds "[[SplitPersonality Who do you think]] [[ManchurianAgent you're talking to?]]"
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* NotSoStoic: When Spock comes aboard ''Discovery'' and is reunited with Pike.
-->'''Pike:''' Is that a smile I see on your face?\\
'''Spock:''' I believe it is. Yes.
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* ICantBelieveImSayingThis:
-->'''Spock:''' Captain, I never believed I would ask this of anyone, but I need you to take me on faith. You must come for us now, if you can.
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* DeskSweepOfRage: Culber gets frustrated with Stamets trying to restart their relationship and pushes dinner off the table.
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* ThereAreNoPsychiatrists: Culber is clearly not adjusting at all to his resurrection, showing signs of severe trauma - lack of interest in eating, detached, easily angered, but no-one thinks it's a good idea to even suggest taking him to see a shrink.

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* ThereAreNoPsychiatrists: Culber is clearly not adjusting at all to his resurrection, showing signs of severe trauma - lack of interest in eating, detached, easily angered, but no-one thinks it's a good idea to even suggest taking him to see a shrink.shrink (assuming there even ''is'' a shrink aboard ''Discovery'', given Starfleet's frequent disregard for mental health).
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*** It also references the end of [[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E4TheOutrageousOkona the episode of TNG]] where Data attempted to learn comedy (with varying results, but culminating with this kind of goodbye).
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* LineInTheSand: When ''Discovery'' goes rogue.
-->'''Pike:''' I can't ask any of you to participate in what is clearly an act of disobedience--\\
'''Detmer:''' Course heading, captain?
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* OrangeBlueContrast: During a telepathic version of a SplitScreenPhoneCall, Pike's ready room is bathed in orange sunlight while Burnham and Spock are in the blue caverns of Talos IV.

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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHim: Burnham does this to Spock in her flashback, to protect him from the logic extremists.

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* BreakHisHeartToSaveHim: Burnham does this to calls Spock a "freak" and a "weird little half-breed" in her flashback, to sever their emotional bond and protect him from the logic extremists.



* SilentRunningMode: Pike's plan is to warp towards a nearby starbase before changing course to Talos IV and running silent.

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** ''Discovery'' in a warp tunnel and under pursuit by a Section 31 ship is reminiscent of the ''Enterprise'' being pursued by the ''Vengeance'' in ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'', albeit without weapons fire.
* SilentRunningMode: Pike's plan is to warp towards a nearby starbase before changing course to Talos IV and running silent. It fails to throw Section 31 off ''Discovery''[='=]s trail.
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* ManchurianAgent: Pike believes that Section 31 may have affected Tyler's mind to make him sabotage ''Discovery'' without his knowledge. He's right about there being an unwitting agent on ''Discovery'', but wrong about who it is or who's responsible.

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* {{Frameup}}: Tyler is framed by [[TheMole Airiam]] for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.

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* {{Frameup}}: FrameUp: Tyler is framed by [[TheMole Airiam]] for the sabotage of the spore drive and for several unauthorized transmissions.


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* SilentRunningMode: Pike's plan is to warp towards a nearby starbase before changing course to Talos IV and running silent.


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* VehicularSabotage: Just as ''Discovery'' is about to jump to Talos IV, the spore drive conks out, thanks to Airiam's sabotage.
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* YourFavorite: Stamets prepares Culber's favorite dinner for him, but Culber doesn't enjoy it since he's still messed up over coming back from the dead.

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