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'''Grand Admiral Thrawn:''' Loss, you say? The rebels may have protected the location of their base for now, but in doing so they have narrowed my search. Before today, they could have been hiding in any of a thousand systems. But now...now I know they are almost certainly on one of the 94 planets surveyed by my infiltrators. The rebels may have won this battle, but the war will be ours.

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'''Grand Admiral Thrawn:''' Loss, you say? The rebels may have protected the location of their base for now, but in doing so they have narrowed my search. Before today, they could have been hiding in any of a thousand systems. But now...now I know they are almost certainly on one of the 94 planets surveyed by my infiltrators. The rebels may have won this battle, but the war will be ours.
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->'''Agent Kallus:''' You seem in surprisingly good spirts, considering this loss.\\
'''Grand Admiral Thrawn:''' Loss, you say? The rebels may have protected the location of their base for now, but in doing so they have narrowed my search. Before today, they could have been hiding in any of a thousand systems. But now...now I know they are almost certainly on one of the 94 planets surveyed by my infiltrators. The rebels may have won this battle, but the war will be ours.
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels''
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->'''Neville Flynn''': Eddie Kim somehow managed to fill the plane with poisonous snakes.\\
'''Hank Harris''': Wait, hold on. What kind of insane plan is that? He can't possibly guarantee that the snakes are gonna get to Sean!\\
'''Flynn''': Yeah, well, he doesn't have to guarantee it if he brings down the whole plane down!
-->--''Film/SnakesOnAPlane''
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->All I had to do was entrust the last Crystal Star to my least competent underling! I don't suppose Crump had any idea of my plan, though! Gaaack ack ack ack ack! So, whether he beat you or lost to you... The Crystal Stars would be together and mine either way! Pure genius!
-->-- '''Sir Grodus''', ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''
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'''T'Pring:''' You have become much known among our people, Spock; almost a legend. And as the years went by, I came to know that I did not want to be [[OvershadowedByAwesome the consort of a legend]]. But by the [[ValuesDissonance laws of our people]], I could only divorce you by the ''[[DuelToTheDeath kal-if-fee]]''. There was also [[TriangRelations Stonn]], who wanted very much to be ''my'' consort, and I wanted him. If your captain were victor, he would not want me, and so I would have Stonn. If you were victor, you would free me because I had dared to challenge, and again I would have Stonn. But if you did not free me, it would be the same; for you would be gone, and I would have your name and your property, and [[YourCheatingHeart Stonn would still be there]].\\

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'''T'Pring:''' You have become much known among our people, Spock; almost a legend. And as the years went by, I came to know that I did not want to be [[OvershadowedByAwesome the consort of a legend]]. But by the [[ValuesDissonance laws of our people]], I could only divorce you by the ''[[DuelToTheDeath kal-if-fee]]''. There was also [[TriangRelations Stonn]], who wanted very much to be ''my'' consort, and I wanted him. If your captain were victor, he would not want me, and so I would have Stonn. If you were victor, you would free me because I had dared to challenge, and again I would have Stonn. But if you did not free me, it would be the same; for you would be gone, and I would have your name and your property, and [[YourCheatingHeart Stonn would still be there]].there.\\
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->''"You win, I steal from you. He wins, I steal it from him. Good... luck."''
-->-- '''Arsène Lupin III''', ''Film/LupinThe3rd''
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->I've lost time and time again... but now, I've finally won. Look! We launched them off safely. There's my victory. As long as they're in the air, I haven't lost. And I know they'll succeed.
-->-- '''Captain Nicholas A. Andersen''', ''VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar'', after [[spoiler:he launches the player's squadron on their penultimate mission before his carrier sinks.]]
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->We didn’t call it the Xanatos Gambit back in the day. We called them Xanatos tags, because it was always a tag at the end of an episode. It tickles me beyond belief that the trope is named after us. I have no idea whether we created it — there must be somebody before us who did it — but we definitely honed it. [Laughs] Part of it was in discussions with myself, Michael Reaves, and [supervising producer] Frank Paur. We didn’t want our villains to decay. We wanted Xanatos to be smart in a way that we hadn’t seen villains be in the past. I didn’t want him to be petty, that was the main thing. I didn’t want him to be vengeful.\\\
We sometimes would play into the notion that Xanatos was trying to take vengeance, and then we’d do a twist on it, you’d find out it wasn’t him after all, and the real Xanatos didn’t give a damn about vengeance. There’s a moment when he’s got the gargoyles pinned down in a deathtrap, and he’s like, “This is my first real attempt at cliché villainy. How am I doing?” The idea was that he had his goals, and if the gargoyles got in the way, they were expendable. But all else being equal, he’d rather keep them alive, because you can’t exploit something you’ve killed. And Xanatos was all about this exploitation, all about preparation. So he would have a plan A and a plan B. And then we did one episode where he has plans C, D, and E.\\\
That idea of keeping him smart, and saying “I’m going to feint left, because what I want here is to the right, and if I get the left and the right, that’s great, but at minimum, I’ll get the right” — that notion became an essential part of his personality. One of the things I’m proudest about in the show is that Xanatos and Demona, who are very different, feel like truly original villains, of a kind I just don’t think had been seen on TV up to that point. There have been more like them since then, but back then, I think they were pretty unique and special.
-->--Thoughts from ''Gargoyles'' creator '''Greg Weisman''' on his show being the {{Trope Namer|s}} as published in a ''Polygon'' article on May 14, 2020, titled ''[[https://www.polygon.com/disney-plus/2020/5/14/21249881/gargoyles-animated-series-disney-plus-greg-weisman-interview-oj-simpson-goliath-chronicles Gargoyles was nearly the center of a vast Disney Cinematic Universe]]''.

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->Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before... and better armed."\\
"Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me..."

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->Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before...before ... and better armed."\\
"Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me...me ..."


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->'''Spock:''' T'Pring, explain.\\
'''T'Pring:''' Specify.\\
'''Spock:''' Why the challenge, and why you chose my captain as your champion.\\
'''T'Pring:''' Stonn wanted me; I wanted him.\\
'''Spock:''' I see no logic in preferring Stonn over me.\\
'''T'Pring:''' You have become much known among our people, Spock; almost a legend. And as the years went by, I came to know that I did not want to be [[OvershadowedByAwesome the consort of a legend]]. But by the [[ValuesDissonance laws of our people]], I could only divorce you by the ''[[DuelToTheDeath kal-if-fee]]''. There was also [[TriangRelations Stonn]], who wanted very much to be ''my'' consort, and I wanted him. If your captain were victor, he would not want me, and so I would have Stonn. If you were victor, you would free me because I had dared to challenge, and again I would have Stonn. But if you did not free me, it would be the same; for you would be gone, and I would have your name and your property, and [[YourCheatingHeart Stonn would still be there]].\\
'''Spock:''' [[GracefulLoser Logical. Flawlessly logical.]]\\
'''T'Pring:''' I am honoured.\\
'''Spock:''' Stonn -- she is yours. After a time, you may find that ''having'' is [[WantingIsBetterThanHaving not so pleasing a thing, after all]], as ''wanting''. It is not logical, but it is often true.
-->-- ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', "[[Recap/StarTrekS2E1AmokTime Amok Time]]"

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-->-- ''{{Film/Braveheart}}''

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-->-- ''{{Film/Braveheart}}''
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->'''Eraqus:''' You never admit when you lose.
->'''Xehanort:''' That's because I never lose.

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->'''Eraqus:''' You never admit when you lose.
->'''Xehanort:'''
lose.\\
'''Xehanort:'''
That's because I never lose.



->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. Doom's machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.

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->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. Doom's [[ComicBook/DoctorDoom Doom]]'s machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.



-->--''{{Webcomic/Erfworld}}''

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->Izaya doesn't care if he dies, he wants society to reject Shizuo. If he beats him, cool. If he dies, then Shizuo's a murderer. No matter what happens, he gets his way.
-->-- '''Aoba Kuronuma''', ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}''

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->'''Eraqus:''' You never admit when you lose.
->'''Xehanort:''' That's because I never lose.
-->-- ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'', during a flashback [[spoiler:after the FinalBoss]]
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-->-- '''Sun Tzu''', ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''

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-->-- '''Sun Tzu''', ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''
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-> But there were degrees of misfortune, levels of random chance that her masters were willing to accept - even encourage. What looked like chaos to an outsider was actually the end result of careful manipulation. Management, for want of a better word. It was, after all, the greatest skill Thorne's masters possessed. To control the uncontrollable, to influence and guide the elements that appeared impossible to govern.
-->-- ''Literature/DeusExBlackLight''
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-->-- '''Cavilo''', ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''

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-->-- '''Cavilo''', ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''
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-->-- '''Makuta Teridax''', ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}''

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-->-- '''Makuta Teridax''', ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}''
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-->-- '''Makuta Teridax''', ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}''

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-->-- '''Makuta Teridax''', ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}''
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->What I came here to get, I got. Even her. Guess you could call it a bank shot. Yes, I've had a nice day.
-->--'''Bester's''' [[CaptainsLog log]], ''Series/BabylonFive'' ([[{{Recap/BabylonFiveS04E14MomentsOfTransition}} "Moments of Transition"]])

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->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.

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->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] Doom's machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.

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->"You know, I look at it this way: either A, we go through there, and get the flag back, or B, we stay here, and I get to kill you. Either way, I win."
-->--Church Red vs Blue

->So even in defeat, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} the detective]] manages to achieve some small measure of victory...
-->-- '''Ra's Al Ghul''', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', "Off Balance"

->It's like, even when we win... ''he'' wins.
-->-- '''Strong Bad''', ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner''

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->"You know, I look at it this way: either A, [[foldercontrol]]

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->'''Hamilton:''' My Lord, the princess might be taken hostage, or her life be put in jeopardy.\\
'''Longshanks:''' My son would be most distressed by that. But if she were to be killed,
we go through there, would soon find the King of France a useful ally against the Scots. You see, as king, you must find the good in any situation.
-->-- ''{{Film/Braveheart}}''

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->It's [[BigBad Caesar's]] trump card, his last resort, so even if he loses, he still wins.
-->-- '''Shane Schofield''', ''[[Creator/MatthewReilly Area 7]]''

->Look what your true goal is, then start looking for the ways to reach it.
-->-- ''Literature/TheEnemyPapers''

->He seemed to have made triumph possible
and get ruin impossible. At the flag back, or B, we stay here, worst, he would stand as well as he had stood before I crossed his path [...] at best, there would be none left to stand against him.
-->-- ''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda''

->Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before...
and I get to kill you. Either way, I win.better armed."\\
"Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me...
"
-->--Church Red vs Blue

->So even in defeat, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} the detective]] manages to achieve some small measure of victory...
-->-- '''Ra's Al Ghul''', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', "Off Balance"

->It's like, even
''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''

->'''Captain Pellaeon:''' We're attacking Mrisst?\\
'''Grand Admiral Thrawn:''' It's certainly ripe for the taking. And a base there would give us the capacity to launch attacks into the very heart of the Rebellion.\\
'''Pellaeon:''' Except that the Rebellion must know this. They'd launch a massive counterattack, sir, if we so much as made a move toward Mrisst.\\
'''Thrawn:''' Exactly. Which means that
when we win... ''he'' wins.
we're finally ready to draw the Coruscant sector fleet into ambush, Mrisst will be the perfect lure to use. If they come out to meet us, we'll defeat them then and there. And if they somehow sense the trap and refuse to engage, we'll have our forward base. Either way, the Empire will triumph.
-->-- '''Strong Bad''', ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner''
''[[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy His Last Command]]''



->The key to strategy... is not to choose a path to victory, but to choose so that '''all''' paths lead to '''a''' victory.
-->-- '''Cavilo''', ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''

->''Reason?'' Singular? Dear boy, you really did learn nothing from me, didn't you? Never run with any plan in which there is only one desirable outcome.
-->-- '''Parson Miles''', ''Literature/TheZombieKnight''

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'''Tain:''' [to Odo] Cunning, isn't he? He makes a [[FantasticSlurs racial slur]] within earshot of two Romulans, putting me in the position of either defending them -- thus [[YouJustToldMe giving away my allegiance]] to them -- or letting the comment pass, in which case he's managed to [[DivideAndConquer plant a seed of discord]] between us.
-->--''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Improbable Cause"

->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.
-->-- '''Black Mage''', ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater''

->'''Norman Osborn:''' Something occurs to me -- either Spider-Man is destroyed, or you get Oscorp. Whatever happens, ''[[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose you win]]''.\\
'''Kingpin:''' That's why ''I'm'' the Kingpin.
->-- ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', "The Spider Slayer"

->That's nothing, because MY plan included everything in your plan, but also some other stuff that gives me the upper hand after all!
-->-- '''HEATH LEDGER''', ''[[http://www.the-editing-room.com/thedarkknight.html The Dark Knight: The Abridged Script]]''

-> Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before... and better armed."\\
"Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me..."
-->-- ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''

->Taker is a master of Mind Games, his entire career shows that. And he's also a man to [not] ignore unpleasant possibilities. He'll plan for any occasion, he'll have back ups and back ups for back ups. I guess he might have a back up for the back up of the back up, but that's merely confusing speculation.
-->-- '''Matthew Sforcina''', ''[[http://tinyurl.com/6czq75 Evolution Schematic: The Undertaker, Part 3]]''


->...the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy. Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won.
-->-- '''Sun Tzu''', ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''

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'''Tain:''' [to Odo] (''to Odo'') Cunning, isn't he? He makes a [[FantasticSlurs racial slur]] within earshot of two Romulans, putting me in the position of either defending them -- thus [[YouJustToldMe giving away my allegiance]] to them -- or letting the comment pass, in which case he's managed to [[DivideAndConquer plant a seed of discord]] between us.
-->--''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', -->-- ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Improbable Cause"

->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.
-->-- '''Black Mage''', ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater''

->'''Norman Osborn:''' Something occurs to me -- either Spider-Man is destroyed, or you get Oscorp. Whatever happens, ''[[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose you win]]''.\\
'''Kingpin:''' That's why ''I'm'' the Kingpin.
->-- ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', "The Spider Slayer"

->That's nothing, because MY plan included everything in your plan, but also some other stuff that gives me the upper hand after all!
-->-- '''HEATH LEDGER''', ''[[http://www.the-editing-room.com/thedarkknight.html The Dark Knight: The Abridged Script]]''

-> Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before... and better armed."\\
"Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me..."
-->-- ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''

->Taker is a master of Mind Games, his entire career shows that. And he's also a man to [not] ignore unpleasant possibilities. He'll plan for any occasion, he'll have back ups and back ups for back ups. I guess he might have a back up for the back up of the back up, but that's merely confusing speculation.
-->-- '''Matthew Sforcina''', ''[[http://tinyurl.com/6czq75 Evolution Schematic: The Undertaker, Part 3]]''


->...the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy. Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won.
-->-- '''Sun Tzu''', ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''
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->Win/Win for me... Win/[[YouHaveFailedMe LOSE]] for you.
-->-- '''Mozenrath''', ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries''

->The key to strategy... is not to choose a path to victory, but to choose so that '''all''' paths lead to '''a''' victory.
-->-- '''Cavilo''', ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''

->If I win, I get to be a king. If I lose, I get to be a '''legend'''.
-->-- '''General Tarquin''', ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''

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->Win/Win for me... Win/[[YouHaveFailedMe LOSE]] for you.
->Little Toa, you have not yet begun to see even the barest outlines of my plans. I have schemes within schemes that would boggle your feeble mind. You may counter one, but there are a thousand more of which you know nothing. Even my... setbacks... are planned for, and so I shall win in the end.
-->-- '''Mozenrath''', ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries''

->The key to strategy... is not to choose a path to victory, but to choose so that '''all''' paths lead to '''a''' victory.
'''Makuta Teridax''', ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}''

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->Every way makes my gain.
-->-- '''Cavilo''', ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]''

->If I win, I get
'''Iago,''' ''Theatre/{{Othello}}''

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->They have seen all of history, all of its possibilities. They have seen all the endings. But they must know, the goddess Etro is already dead. Her end is final. No man, woman, or god can bring her back now. Ignorant and blind
to be a king. If their true mission, they did exactly what I lose, I get to be a '''legend'''.
wanted.
-->-- '''General Tarquin''', ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''
'''Caius Ballad''', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2''



->Thirty years hence, I am presented with a dilemma - let's call it a two-sided coin. If the coin falls one way, I sacrifice myself and thus restore the Pillars. But as the last surviving vampire in Nosgoth, this would mean the annihilation of our species. If the coin lands on the reverse, I refuse the sacrifice and thus doom the Pillars to an eternity of collapse. Either way, the game is rigged. [...] But suppose you throw a coin enough times. [[SubvertedTrope Suppose one day]]... [[TakeAThirdOption it lands on its]] ''[[HeadsTailsEdge edge]]''.
-->-- '''Kain''', ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain''

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->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} ''wins''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] machinations are such that even ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes.
-->-- '''Black Mage''', ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater''

->That's nothing, because MY plan included everything in your plan, but also some other stuff that gives me the upper hand after all!
-->-- '''Heath Ledger''', ''Film/TheDarkKnight: [[http://www.the-editing-room.com/thedarkknight.html The Abridged Script]]''



-->--'''''{{Webcomic/Erfworld}}'''''

->Their every move makes my victory more complete.

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-->--'''''{{Webcomic/Erfworld}}'''''

->Their every move makes my victory more complete.
-->--''{{Webcomic/Erfworld}}''

->If I win, I get to be a king. If I lose, I get to be a '''legend'''.




->Every way makes my gain.
-->-- '''Iago,''' ''Theatre/{{Othello}}''

->Exactly. Which means that when we're finally ready to draw the Coruscant sector fleet into ambush, Mrisst will be the perfect lure. If they attack, we'll defeat them. If they sense the trap and pull back, we'll have our forward base. Either way, we'll win.
-->'''Admiral Thrawn''', ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy''

->Look what your true goal is, then start looking for the ways to reach it
-->'''Literature/TheEnemyPapers'''

->They have seen all of history, all of its possibilities. They have seen all the endings. But they must know, the goddess Etro is already dead. Her end is final. No man, woman, or god can bring her back now. Ignorant and blind to their true mission, they did exactly what I wanted.
-->'''Caius Ballad''', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2''

->Thirty years hence, I am presented with a dilemma - let's call it a two-sided coin. If the coin falls one way, I sacrifice myself and thus restore the Pillars. But as the last surviving vampire in Nosgoth, this would mean the annihilation of our species. If the coin lands on the reverse, I refuse the sacrifice and thus doom the Pillars to an eternity of collapse. Either way, the game is rigged.
-->'''Kain''', ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain''

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\n->Every way ->'''Elan:''' Aren't you going to rant about how they escaped your clutches?\\
'''Tarquin:''' [[GracefulLoser Hey, I know a daring escape when I see one.]] Besides, the crowd LOVES that stuff. Listen to them cheer. Good thing, too. These [[GladiatorGames games]] were starting to suck.\\
'''Elan:''' I don't get it. They defied your authority! Doesn't that make you angry?\\
'''Tarquin:''' Sure, but not as mad as spending fifty grand on a [[BreadAndCircuses propaganda event]] that no one even remembered would have. Plus we confiscated the [[BountyHunter bounty]] we paid them, right?\\
'''Kilkil:''' Yes, sir. As well as the full WBL for an NPC of their level, times two, minus their gladiator equipment and the cost to replace the soldiers that just got eaten... I calculate that the empire turned a total profit of 66,435 gp on their capture.\\
'''Tarquin:''' See? Why should I get upset, they paid for these entire games and-\\
'''Gannji:''' HEY, TARQUIN! Choke on this!\\
(''the hurled spear hits the wall just over Tarquin's head'')\\
'''Kilkil:''' Correction: 66,43'''7''' gp.\\
'''Tarquin:''' (''evil grin'') Their every move
makes my gain.
victory more complete.
-->-- '''Iago,''' ''Theatre/{{Othello}}''

->Exactly. Which means that when we're finally ready
''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick''

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->[[Wrestling/TheUndertaker Taker]] is a master of Mind Games, his entire career shows that. And he's also a man
to draw the Coruscant sector fleet into ambush, Mrisst will be the perfect lure. If they attack, we'll defeat them. If they sense the trap and pull back, we'll have our forward base. Either way, we'll win.
-->'''Admiral Thrawn''', ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy''

->Look what your true goal is, then start looking for the ways to reach it
-->'''Literature/TheEnemyPapers'''

->They have seen all of history, all of its
[not] ignore unpleasant possibilities. They He'll plan for any occasion, he'll have seen all back ups and back ups for back ups. I guess he might have a back up for the endings. But they must back up of the back up, but that's merely confusing speculation.
-->-- '''Matthew Sforcina''', ''[[http://411mania.com/wrestling/evolution-schematic-07-19-08-mark-the-undertaker-calaway-part-3/ Evolution Schematic: The Undertaker, Part 3]]''

->It's like, even when we win... ''he'' wins.
-->-- '''Strong Bad''', ''WebAnimation/HomestarRunner''

->You
know, the goddess Etro is already dead. Her end is final. No man, woman, or god can bring her back now. Ignorant and blind to their true mission, they did exactly what I wanted.
-->'''Caius Ballad''', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2''

->Thirty years hence, I am presented with a dilemma - let's call
look at it a two-sided coin. If the coin falls one way, I sacrifice myself and thus restore the Pillars. But as the last surviving vampire in Nosgoth, this would mean way: either A, we go through there, and get the annihilation of our species. If the coin lands on the reverse, I refuse the sacrifice flag back, or B, we stay here, and thus doom the Pillars I get to an eternity of collapse. kill you. Either way, I win.
-->-- '''Church''', ''Machinima/RedVsBlue''

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->Win/Win for me... Win/[[YouHaveFailedMe LOSE]] for you.
-->-- '''Mozenrath''', ''[[WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries Aladdin]]''

->So even in defeat, [[Franchise/{{Batman}}
the game is rigged.
-->'''Kain''', ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain''
detective]] manages to achieve some small measure of victory...
-->-- '''Ra's Al Ghul''', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', "Off Balance"



'''Xanatos''': Not really.
-->--''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''

->It's [[BigBad Caesar's]] trump card, his last resort, so even if he loses, he still wins.
-->--'''Shane Schofield''', ''[[Creator/MatthewReilly Area 7]]''

->''Reason?'' Singular? Dear boy, you really did learn nothing from me, didn’t you? Never run with any plan in which there is only one desirable outcome.
-->--'''Parson Miles''', ''Literature/TheZombieKnight''

->He seemed to have made triumph possible and ruin impossible. At the worst, he would stand as well as he had stood before I crossed his path (...); at best, there would be none left to stand against him.
-->--''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda''

->'''Hamilton:''' My Lord, the princess might be taken hostage, or her life be put in jeopardy.\\
'''Longshanks:''' My son would be most distressed by that. But if she were to be killed, we would soon find the King of France a useful ally against the Scots. You see, as king, you must find the good in any situation.
-->--''{{Film/Braveheart}}''

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'''Xanatos''': '''[[TropeNamers David Xanatos]]''': Not really.
-->--''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''

->It's [[BigBad Caesar's]] trump card, his last resort, so even if he loses, he still wins.
-->--'''Shane Schofield''', ''[[Creator/MatthewReilly Area 7]]''

->''Reason?'' Singular? Dear boy,
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''

->'''Norman Osborn:''' Something occurs to me -- either Spider-Man is destroyed, or
you really did learn nothing from me, didn’t you? Never run with any plan in which there is only one desirable outcome.
-->--'''Parson Miles''', ''Literature/TheZombieKnight''

->He seemed to have made triumph possible and ruin impossible. At the worst, he would stand as well as he had stood before I crossed his path (...); at best, there would be none left to stand against him.
-->--''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda''

->'''Hamilton:''' My Lord, the princess might be taken hostage, or her life be put in jeopardy.
get Oscorp. Whatever happens, ''[[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose you win]]''.\\
'''Longshanks:''' My son would be most distressed by that. But if she were to be killed, we would soon find '''Kingpin:''' That's why ''I'm'' the King of France a useful ally against Kingpin.
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', "The Spider Slayer"

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[[folder:Real Life]]

->Hence
the Scots. You see, as king, you must find skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the good moment for defeating the enemy. Thus it is that in any situation.
-->--''{{Film/Braveheart}}''
war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won.
-->-- '''Sun Tzu''', ''Literature/TheArtOfWar''

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-->-- ''ASongOfIceAndFire''

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-->-- ''ASongOfIceAndFire''
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-->-- '''Sun Tzu''', ''TheArtOfWar''

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-->-- '''Makuta Teridax''', ''{{Bionicle}}''

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-->'''Admiral Thrawn''', ''TheThrawnTrilogy''

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-->'''Admiral Thrawn''', ''TheThrawnTrilogy''
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-->'''TheEnemyPapers'''

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-->'''TheEnemyPapers'''
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-->'''Caius Ballad''', ''FinalFantasyXIII2''

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-->'''Caius Ballad''', ''FinalFantasyXIII2''
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-->--''{{Gargoyles}}''

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->'''Hamilton:''' My Lord, the princess might be taken hostage, or her life be put in jeopardy.\\
'''Longshanks:''' My son would be most distressed by that. But if she were to be killed, we would soon find the King of France a useful ally against the Scots. You see, as king, you must find the good in any situation.
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->'''Garak:''' You, on the other hand, seem to have left your retirement far behind. Unless you're simply on a pleasure cruise with your [[PointyEars pointed-eared]] friends...?\\
'''Enabran Tain:''' ''(to Garak's associate)'' Cunning, isn't he? He makes a [[FantasticSlur racial slur]] within earshot of two Romulans, putting me in the position of either defending them -- thus [[YouJustToldMe giving away my allegiance]] to them -- or letting the comment pass, in which case he's managed to [[DivideAndConquer plant a seed of discord]] between us.

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->'''Garak:''' You, on the other hand, seem to have left your retirement far behind. Unless you're simply on a pleasure cruise with your [[PointyEars pointed-eared]] pointed-eared friends...?\\
'''Enabran Tain:''' ''(to Garak's associate)'' '''Tain:''' [to Odo] Cunning, isn't he? He makes a [[FantasticSlur [[FantasticSlurs racial slur]] within earshot of two Romulans, putting me in the position of either defending them -- thus [[YouJustToldMe giving away my allegiance]] to them -- or letting the comment pass, in which case he's managed to [[DivideAndConquer plant a seed of discord]] between us.
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-->--'''''{{Erfworld}}'''''

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->''"So even in defeat, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} the detective]] manages to achieve some small measure of victory..."''

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->''"So ->So even in defeat, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} the detective]] manages to achieve some small measure of victory..."''



->"''It's like, even when we win... ''he'' wins.''"

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->"''It's ->It's like, even when we win... ''he'' wins.''"



->''"Someone who only wins when he's dealt a great hand of cards is a fool, not a [[TheGambler gambler.]]"''

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->''"Someone ->Someone who only wins when he's dealt a great hand of cards is a fool, not a [[TheGambler gambler.]]"'']]



-->--'''''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''''', "Improbable Cause"

->''"Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} '''wins'''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] machinations are such that even '''if''' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes."''

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-->--'''''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''''', -->--''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', "Improbable Cause"

->''"Let ->Let us assume that Franchise/{{Batman}} '''wins'''. ''wins''. [[SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doom's]] machinations are such that even '''if''' ''if'' Batman manages to be triumphant, his victory will only come about in a way that somehow furthers Doom's overall villainous schemes."''



->''"That's nothing, because MY plan included everything in your plan, but also some other stuff that gives me the upper hand after all!"''

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->''"That's ->That's nothing, because MY plan included everything in your plan, but also some other stuff that gives me the upper hand after all!"''all!



-> Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before... and better armed."

-> "Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me..."

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-> Littlefinger stroked the neat spike of his beard. "Lysa has woes of her own. Clansmen raiding out of the Mountains of the Moon, in greater numbers than ever before... and better armed."

->
"\\
"Distressing," said Tyrion Lannister, who had armed them. "I could help her with that. A word from me..."



->''"Taker is a master of Mind Games, his entire career shows that. And he's also a man to [not] ignore unpleasant possibilities. He'll plan for any occasion, he'll have back ups and back ups for back ups. I guess he might have a back up for the back up of the back up, but that's merely confusing speculation."''

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->''"Taker ->Taker is a master of Mind Games, his entire career shows that. And he's also a man to [not] ignore unpleasant possibilities. He'll plan for any occasion, he'll have back ups and back ups for back ups. I guess he might have a back up for the back up of the back up, but that's merely confusing speculation."''



->"''...the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy. Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won.''"

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->"''...->...the skillful fighter puts himself into a position which makes defeat impossible, and does not miss the moment for defeating the enemy. Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won.''"



->''"There is a small [[CallARabbitASmeerp rahi,]] called a Water Wraith. So small, so insignificant is it, that larger fish do not even consider it a worthy meal. But every now and then, a bold water wraith will attack a fish much larger and more powerful than it. It is a one sided battle, of course, that ends with the poor Water Wraith in the mouth of its foe. Of course, what the larger fish quickly discovers is that the outer shell of a water wraith is coated with deadly poison. The larger fish dies instantly and the water wraith escapes to feast for months on its foolish and very dead opponent. Sometimes, my brothers, the best way, the only way to win… is by losing."''

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->''"There ->There is a small [[CallARabbitASmeerp rahi,]] called a Water Wraith. So small, so insignificant is it, that larger fish do not even consider it a worthy meal. But every now and then, a bold water wraith will attack a fish much larger and more powerful than it. It is a one sided battle, of course, that ends with the poor Water Wraith in the mouth of its foe. Of course, what the larger fish quickly discovers is that the outer shell of a water wraith is coated with deadly poison. The larger fish dies instantly and the water wraith escapes to feast for months on its foolish and very dead opponent. Sometimes, my brothers, the best way, the only way to win… win... is by losing."''



->''"Win/Win for me... Win/[[YouHaveFailedMe LOSE]] for you.''

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->''"The key to strategy... is not to choose a path to victory, but to choose so that '''all''' paths lead to '''a''' victory."''

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->''"The ->The key to strategy... is not to choose a path to victory, but to choose so that '''all''' paths lead to '''a''' victory."''



->''"If I win, I get to be a king. If I lose, I get to be a '''legend'''."''

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->''"If ->If I win, I get to be a king. If I lose, I get to be a '''legend'''."''



->''"You are just one of many roads I might choose to take. Trust me. I made certain of that."''

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->''"You ->You are just one of many roads I might choose to take. Trust me. I made certain of that."''



->''"Their every move makes my victory more complete."''

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->''"Their ->Their every move makes my victory more complete."''



->"''Every way makes my gain.''"

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->"''Every ->Every way makes my gain.''"



->Exactly. Which means that when we're finaly ready to draw the Coruscant sector fleet into ambush, Mrisst will be the perfect lure. If they attack, we'll defeat them. If they sense the trap and pull back, we'll have our forward base. Either way, we'll win.

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->Exactly. Which means that when we're finaly finally ready to draw the Coruscant sector fleet into ambush, Mrisst will be the perfect lure. If they attack, we'll defeat them. If they sense the trap and pull back, we'll have our forward base. Either way, we'll win.



->''look what your true goal is, then start looking for the ways to reach it''

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->'''Owen''': ''"It would seem that your plan has gone awry, sir."''
->'''Xanatos''': ''"Not really."''

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->'''Xanatos''': ''"Not
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'''Xanatos''': Not
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-->--'''Parson Miles''', ''Literature/TheZombieKnight''
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->It's [[BigBad Caesar's]] trump card, his last resort, so even if he loses, he still wins.
-->--'''Shane Schofield''', ''[[Creator/MatthewReilly Area 7]]''

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->'''Owen''': ''"It would seem that your plan has gone awry, sir."''
->'''Xanatos''': ''"Not really."''
-->--''{{Gargoyles}}''
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->''"There is a small Rahi, called a Water Wraith. So small, so insignificant is it, that larger fish do not even consider it a worthy meal. But every now and then, a bold water wraith will attack a much larger and more powerful than it. It is a one sided battle, of course, that ends with the poor Water Wraith in the mouth of its foe. Of course, what the larger fish quickly discovers is that the outer shell of a water wraith is coated with deadly poison. The larger fish dies instantly and the water wraith escapes to feast for months on its foolish and very dead opponent. Sometimes, my brothers, the best way, the only way to win… is by losing."''

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->''"There is a small Rahi, [[CallARabbitASmeerp rahi,]] called a Water Wraith. So small, so insignificant is it, that larger fish do not even consider it a worthy meal. But every now and then, a bold water wraith will attack a fish much larger and more powerful than it. It is a one sided battle, of course, that ends with the poor Water Wraith in the mouth of its foe. Of course, what the larger fish quickly discovers is that the outer shell of a water wraith is coated with deadly poison. The larger fish dies instantly and the water wraith escapes to feast for months on its foolish and very dead opponent. Sometimes, my brothers, the best way, the only way to win… is by losing."''

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