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** Discussed as the major factor behind "the entropy of victory" in Season 11. In order for a revolution to come about and achieve success, a massive cross-class alliance who all agree their problems are the result of the incompetent sovereign's mismanagement has to come together to overthrow them. But after they succeed, it quickly becomes apparent that, far from an harmoniously united front, this alliance was composed of completely different kinds of people who wanted completely different things, often opposing and contradictory. While the sovereign was there to provide a unifying mutual enemy, they could cooperate, but once they're gone they realize they're not friends and may be natural enemies. For example, urban workers want cheap food and better working conditions who resent the government kowtowing to their bosses, rural workers who want land and don't want their produce confiscated to ensure said cheap food, and landlords and bosses who want their rights respected and ''really'' don't want a bunch of new regulations or having their property redistributed.

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** Discussed as the major factor behind "the entropy of victory" in Season 11. In order for a revolution to come about and achieve success, a massive cross-class alliance who all agree their problems are the result of the incompetent sovereign's mismanagement has to come together to overthrow them. But after they succeed, it quickly becomes apparent that, far from an harmoniously united front, this alliance was composed of completely different kinds of people who wanted completely different things, often opposing and contradictory. While the sovereign was there to provide a unifying mutual enemy, they could cooperate, but once they're gone they realize they're not friends and may be natural enemies. For example, urban workers want cheap food and better working conditions who resent the government kowtowing to their bosses, rural workers who want land and don't want their produce confiscated to ensure said cheap food, and landlords and bosses who want the resumption of normal economic activity and their property rights respected respected, and ''really'' don't want a bunch of new regulations or having their property redistributed.
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* EarnYourHappyEnding: Mike notes that Sonthonax, unable to get re-posted to Saint Domingue to finish what he viewed as his life's work, instead got the rare revolutionary privilege of happy and peaceful retirement. Along the way, he'd officially emancipated all the slaves on the island, tried to do right by the people against the influence of various moneyed interests (marrying a free black woman and trying to invest in schools and infrastructure rather than endless military build-up), and even proved to be the only major political force on the island trying to move away from the dysfunctional plantation cash-crop economy into a more fair, decentralized means of cultivation. It's worth noting that the ever-ambitious and ruthless L'overture merely intrigued to have him sent off to France with the "honor" of being their elected representative rather than outright trying to remove him completely as he would Sonthonax's openly racist replacement or eliminate him like many of his other rivals, presumably as a sign of respect.
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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution (or at least, the constitution-adjacent charter of government) and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done none of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.

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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution (or at least, the constitution-adjacent charter of government) government and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done none of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.
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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done none of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.

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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution (or at least, the constitution-adjacent charter of government) and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done none of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.
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* FullCircleRevolution: Well, obviously, but perhaps the most tragic and emphasized example is Haiti. Through multiple revolutions that killed huge chunks of the population, and even literal genocide, the lot of the black former slaves who had fought so bravely to attain their freedom just didn't change much. From the whips and drivers of the big whites to the clubs and foremen of the Loverturian Republic and Dessaline's empire, the cultivators were still forced to work on plantations for meager rewards under draconian labor laws.

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* FullCircleRevolution: Well, obviously, but perhaps the most tragic and emphasized example is Haiti. Through multiple revolutions that killed huge chunks of the population, and even literal genocide, the lot of the black former slaves who had fought so bravely to attain their freedom just didn't change much. From the whips and drivers of the big whites to the clubs and foremen of the Loverturian Republic and Dessaline's empire, the cultivators were still forced to work on plantations for meager rewards under draconian labor laws. Ironically, despite everything, it's also Haiti Mike refers to in the final season as the one exception when people try to argue that each of the revolutions wasn't ''really'' a revolution, and his refutation of the idea that none of the revolutions covered failed to accomplish positive change better than non-revolutionary incrementalism: would ''you'' tell a Haitian slave, worked to death, that battling for their freedom wasn't necessary because thirty years down the road, long after they're stone-dead from depreciation, emancipation ''might'' come?
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* Season 9 (August 2018-March 2019, 27 episodes): The [[UsefulNotes/TheMexicanRevolution Mexican Revolution]].

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* Season 9 (August 2018-March 2019, 27 episodes): The [[UsefulNotes/TheMexicanRevolution Mexican Revolution]]. One that Duncan notes he was very excited to do, as he had done a good chunk of his Master's work on the subject and planned from the beginning to include.

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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Duncan generally tries to maintain a neutral, genteel tone when recounting the events and actions of the series, even when talking about people he clearly has low opinions of. However, when Tsar Nicholas makes a final attempt to resist abdication in the wake of heavy resistance and rioting at St. Petersburg by claiming he doesn't have faith the Duma will be able to appoint competent ministers to run the country - which, keep in mind, the entire ''reason'' St. Petersburg was in revolt was ''because'' Nicholas had spent the past ten years appointing nothing but incompetent ministers who were only good as yes-men able to soothe Nicholas and Alexandra's egos, and thus unable to attend to the needs of the populace - Duncan is so flabbergasted with disbelief he spends several minutes passionately ranting about how this was a situation Nicholas had bungled his way into and that he was, put bluntly, 'So ready to be done with this guy'.

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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Duncan generally tries to maintain a neutral, genteel tone when recounting the events and actions of the series, even when talking about people he clearly has low opinions of. However, when he does have his limits.
** When discussing post-revolutionary Haiti and the death of "Papa Doc" Duvalier, Duncan cuts loose with a disgusted "good riddance" and remarks that out of all the leaders he's discussed in the series, Duvalier was one who offered his people literally nothing but terror and death, all the while enriching himself at their expense.
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Tsar Nicholas makes a final attempt to resist abdication in the wake of heavy resistance and rioting at St. Petersburg by claiming he doesn't have faith the Duma will be able to appoint competent ministers to run the country - which, keep in mind, the entire ''reason'' St. Petersburg was in revolt was ''because'' Nicholas had spent the past ten years appointing nothing but incompetent ministers who were only good as yes-men able to soothe Nicholas and Alexandra's egos, and thus unable to attend to the needs of the populace - Duncan is so flabbergasted with disbelief he spends several minutes passionately ranting about how this was a situation Nicholas had bungled his way into and that he was, put bluntly, 'So ready to be done with this guy'.
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** Averted in the Russian Revolution season, which seems to be heading this way with Duncan's initially sympathetic portrait of Nicholas II as a smart, kind, loving husband and father. But then Duncan spends many episodes laying out at great length the obstinate incompetence of Nicholas's regime, to the point where he drains away all of the initial sympathy the season might have had for Nicholas. Duncan even says "I shed few tears" for the execution of the entire Romanov family in 1918, while still acknowledging that it was a dumb decision with no benefit for the Soviet government.

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** Averted in the Russian Revolution season, which seems to be heading this way with Duncan's initially sympathetic portrait of Nicholas II UsefulNotes/{{Tsar|Tsar Autocrats}} UsefulNotes/NicholasII as a smart, kind, loving husband and father. But then Duncan spends many episodes laying out at great length the obstinate incompetence of Nicholas's regime, to the point where he drains away all of the initial sympathy the season might have had for Nicholas. Duncan even says "I shed few tears" for the execution of the entire Romanov family in 1918, while still acknowledging that it was a dumb decision with no benefit for the Soviet government.

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** After Charles I's execution, Mike points out that he was a pretty clever guy who loved art and had a good grasp of history, but that his rigid absolutism and utter inability to compromise or convince anyone that he wasn't going to go back on his word the second he had the chance to do so ultimately spelt his doom.

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** After Charles I's execution, Mike points out that he was a pretty clever guy who loved art and had a good grasp of history, but that his rigid absolutism and utter inability to compromise or convince anyone that he wasn't going to go back on his word the second he had the chance to do so (because, well, Charles ''was'' always planning to go back on his word and do as he saw fit as soon as he had the upper hand) ultimately spelt his doom.doom, by making it clear to his subjects that he'd never accept defeat and never stop trying to get back into total control.



* DoomedMoralVictor: Obviously, it happens more than once in a series full of revolutions that don't always succeed. But an Italian commander during the Revolutions of 1848 gets special credit for invoking it; fully aware that there was no possible way he could keep his city under republican control long-term, he instead set out to ensure that his government was just, honest, capable, and fair, so as to embed that as the legacy of republican rule in the Italian psyche and wash away the dark shadow of the French revolution in the minds of the people so that, one day, Italy might be free. It worked, in part because the heavy-handed reactionary cardinals that replaced him [[NotHelpingYourCase were the ones who set up a guillotine in the city square and began beheading political radicals they didn't like while ignoring the problems that beset the people]].

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* DoomedMoralVictor: Obviously, it happens more than once in a series full of revolutions that don't always succeed. But an Italian commander during the Revolutions of 1848 gets special credit for invoking it; fully aware that there was no possible way he could keep his city under republican control long-term, he instead set out to ensure that his government was just, honest, capable, and fair, so as to embed that these things as the legacy of republican rule in the Italian psyche and wash away the dark shadow of the French revolution in the minds of the people so that, one day, Italy might be free. It worked, in part because the heavy-handed reactionary cardinals that replaced him [[NotHelpingYourCase were the ones who set up a guillotine in the city square and began beheading political radicals they didn't like while ignoring the problems that beset the people]].



* EnemyMine: France really, really, really did not like Austria, but when the "stately Quadrille" turned round and allying with Austria was the thing to do to give it to the English, ally with Austria they did. Duncan points out that this alliance (and the UsefulNotes/SevenYearsWar that resulted from it) were ''very'' unpopular in France and sad unpopularity rubbed off on UsefulNotes/MarieAntoinette and at least in part explains the Girondin war fever (Austria was to be the main target) and the eagerness with which conspiracy theories about a royalist/Austrian conspiracy behind all evils befalling France were believed.

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France really, really, really did not like Austria, but when the "stately Quadrille" turned round and allying with Austria was the thing to do to give it to the English, ally with Austria they did. Duncan points out that this alliance (and the UsefulNotes/SevenYearsWar that resulted from it) were ''very'' unpopular in France and sad unpopularity rubbed off on UsefulNotes/MarieAntoinette and at least in part explains the Girondin war fever (Austria was to be the main target) and the eagerness with which conspiracy theories about a royalist/Austrian conspiracy behind all evils befalling France were believed.believed.
** Discussed as the major factor behind "the entropy of victory" in Season 11. In order for a revolution to come about and achieve success, a massive cross-class alliance who all agree their problems are the result of the incompetent sovereign's mismanagement has to come together to overthrow them. But after they succeed, it quickly becomes apparent that, far from an harmoniously united front, this alliance was composed of completely different kinds of people who wanted completely different things, often opposing and contradictory. While the sovereign was there to provide a unifying mutual enemy, they could cooperate, but once they're gone they realize they're not friends and may be natural enemies. For example, urban workers want cheap food and better working conditions who resent the government kowtowing to their bosses, rural workers who want land and don't want their produce confiscated to ensure said cheap food, and landlords and bosses who want their rights respected and ''really'' don't want a bunch of new regulations or having their property redistributed.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Duncan does on occasion weigh in on the common portrayal and appraisal of the historical figures he talks about. He's particularly fascinated by the different judgment Lafayette receives in the US (where he is widely regarded as a hero and a military genius) and France (where he is widely regarded as an inept moderate who badly misjudged his own ability and popularity at best and a traitor who sold out the heroic July revolutionaries to conservative elements at worst). Duncan tends towards the American view of Lafayette and is happy to see some French opinions on him shift (he's even written a book about Lafayette and his role in the various revolutions).

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* HeroWithBadPublicity: Discussed by Bakunin, who argued that trying to force the people into compliance with a new socialist order from the top-down was both a violation of socialist principles and unlikely to actually work. While no friend of religion of any kind, Bakunin was particularly critical of attempts to shut down churches, arguing this would only estrange and reactionarize the people where a gentler hand and long-term education would produce better results. Mike summarizes his policy as [[NotHelpingYourCase "Don't be a dick about it."]]
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Duncan does on occasion weigh in on the common portrayal and appraisal of the historical figures he talks about.
** He discusses the legends of Oliver Cromwell's brutal Irish campaigns, autocratic government, and various campaigns against the "sin and vice" of having a good time. While Oliver's Irish campaigns ''were'' pretty awful, they weren't notably worse than the ongoing Irish war that happened before and after he fought there. While Cromwell ''did'' repeatedly dismiss parliaments he never stopped calling for them, and Mike puts much more blame on the parliaments' attempts to establish an aristocratic rule and refusing to play ball with Cromwell's various constitutions. The "rule of the generals" didn't last long and Cromwell wasn't particularly happy with it. And while, yes, radical Puritans did literally try to ban Christmas, and Cromwell was certainly an extremely religious Puritan, he spent a lot of his political career arguing ''against'' these sorts of extreme Puritanism.
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He's particularly fascinated by the different judgment Lafayette receives in the US (where he is widely regarded as a hero and a military genius) and France (where he is widely regarded as an inept moderate who badly misjudged his own ability and popularity at best and a traitor who sold out the heroic July revolutionaries to conservative elements at worst). Duncan tends towards the American view of Lafayette and is happy to see some French opinions on him shift (he's even written a book about Lafayette and his role in the various revolutions).
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Duncan generally tries to maintain a neutral, genteel tone when recounting the events and actions of the series, even when talking about people he clearly has low opinions of. However, when Tsar Nicholas makes a final attempt to resist abdication in the wake of heavy resistance and rioting at St. Petersburg by claiming he doesn't have faith the Duma will be able to appoint competent ministers to run the country - which, keep in mind, the entire ''reason'' St. Petersburg was in revolt was ''because'' Nicholas had spent the past ten years appointing nothing but incompetent ministers who were only good as YesMen and thus unable to attend to the needs of the populace - Duncan is so flabbergasted with disbelief he spends several minutes passionately ranting about how this was a situation Nicholas had bungled his way into and that he was, put bluntly, 'So ready to be done with this guy'.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Duncan generally tries to maintain a neutral, genteel tone when recounting the events and actions of the series, even when talking about people he clearly has low opinions of. However, when Tsar Nicholas makes a final attempt to resist abdication in the wake of heavy resistance and rioting at St. Petersburg by claiming he doesn't have faith the Duma will be able to appoint competent ministers to run the country - which, keep in mind, the entire ''reason'' St. Petersburg was in revolt was ''because'' Nicholas had spent the past ten years appointing nothing but incompetent ministers who were only good as yes-men able to soothe Nicholas and Alexandra's egos, and thus unable to attend to the needs of the populace - Duncan is so flabbergasted with disbelief he spends several minutes passionately ranting about how this was a situation Nicholas had bungled his way into and that he was, put bluntly, 'So ready to be done with this guy'.
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Duncan generally tries to maintain a neutral, genteel tone when recounting the events and actions of the series, even when talking about people he clearly has low opinions of. However, when Tsar Nicholas makes a final attempt to resist abdication in the wake of heavy resistance and rioting at St. Petersburg by claiming he doesn't have faith the Duma will be able to appoint competent ministers to run the country - which, keep in mind, the entire ''reason'' St. Petersburg was in revolt was ''because'' Nicholas had spent the past ten years appointing nothing but incompetent ministers who were only good as YesMen and thus unable to attend to the needs of the populace - Duncan is so flabbergasted with disbelief he spends several minutes passionately ranting about how this was a situation Nicholas had bungled his way into and that he was, put bluntly, 'So ready to be done with this guy'.

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* BookSmart: This is how Duncan portrays the future czar Nicholas II when describing his childhood education. Nicholas was a good student with a great memory and spoke four languages fluently. Unfortunately, while Nicholas was good at learning and retaining things, he didn't have the abstract reasoning ability or critical thinking skills to go from knowing specific things to coming up with his own ideas based off those things. And it's not like the tutors or family members surrounding young Nicholas were interested in helping him hone those skills.

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* BookSmart: A frequent trait of the "great idiots" he ultimately concludes are probably in power if a revolution is going to obtain any degree of success. Many of them ''are'' fairly intelligent and cultivated people, but they lack imagination and critical thinking skills and they don't like listening to others who have them.
** After Charles I's execution, Mike points out that he was a pretty clever guy who loved art and had a good grasp of history, but that his rigid absolutism and utter inability to compromise or convince anyone that he wasn't going to go back on his word the second he had the chance to do so ultimately spelt his doom.
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This is how Duncan portrays the future czar Nicholas II when describing his childhood education. Nicholas was a good student with a great memory and spoke four languages fluently. Unfortunately, while Nicholas was good at learning and retaining things, he didn't have the abstract reasoning ability or critical thinking skills to go from knowing specific things to coming up with his own ideas based off those things. And it's not like the tutors or family members surrounding young Nicholas were interested in helping him hone those skills.


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* PointyHairedBoss: During the finale season, when summing up how a regime becomes an ancien regime despite having every possible advantage in any contest with a rebel faction, Mike brings up what he calls the "great idiot" theory, in contrast to "great man" theories that argue exceptional individuals drive history. Essentially, because the regime's leader is stubborn and lacks imagination, when faced with challenges that more-able political leaders would be able to solve, the "great idiot" doubles down, either trying to ram through unpopular reforms or refusing to implement popular ones, right up until the situation totally degrades and would-be allies are throwing in with the revolutionaries.
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* VillainousBreakdown: General Leclerc of the ill-fated namesake expedition to retake Saint-Domingue goes, over the course of his military occupation of Haiti from an idealistic young army officer horrified by Toussaint Louverture's harsh labor laws and repulsed by the idea of going back on the revolution's ideals of liberty and equality and putting the blacks in chains, to a bungler incapable of securing the loyalties of the native population or retaining the affiliation of the American and British forces supplying him, to an embittered man fighting a mass insurrection tacitly admitting that his replacement is going to reinstate slavery and that it was his job to prepare the colony for that, to a paranoiac shut up in his home base in primitive quarantine alternately begging Napoleon for reinforcements and to relieve him of command before the yellow fever ravaging his troops kills him too, to a dying man, wasting away from yellow fever himself, drafting plans to suppress the insurrection so genocidal that even his successor the vicomte de Rochambeau, himself a racist and twisted sadist, balked at implementing them after his death.

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* VillainousBreakdown: General Leclerc of the ill-fated namesake expedition to retake Saint-Domingue goes, over the course of his military occupation of Haiti from an idealistic young army officer horrified by Toussaint Louverture's harsh labor laws and repulsed by the idea of going back on the revolution's ideals of liberty and equality and putting the blacks in chains, chains; to a bungler incapable of securing the loyalties of the native population or retaining the affiliation of the American and British forces supplying him, him; to an embittered man fighting a mass insurrection tacitly admitting that his replacement is going to reinstate slavery and that it was his job to prepare the colony for that, that; to a paranoiac shut up in his home base in primitive quarantine alternately begging Napoleon for reinforcements and to relieve him of command before the yellow fever ravaging his troops kills him too, too; to a dying man, wasting away from yellow fever himself, drafting plans to suppress the insurrection so genocidal that even his successor the vicomte de Rochambeau, himself a racist and twisted sadist, balked at implementing them after his death.

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* DoomedMoralVictor: Obviously, it happens more than once in a series full of revolutions that don't always succeed. But an Italian commander during the Revolutions of 1848 gets special credit for invoking it; fully aware that there was no possible way he could keep his city under republican control long-term, he instead set out to ensure that his government was just, honest, capable, and fair, so as to embed that as the legacy of republican rule in the Italian psyche and wash away the dark shadow of the French revolution in the minds of the people so that, one day, Italy might be free. It worked, in part because the heavy-handed reactionary cardinals that replaced him [[NotHelpingYourCase were the ones who set up a guillotine in the city square and began beheading political radicals they didn't like while ignoring the problems that beset the people]].



** Duncan from time to time dwells on the consequences of a particular decision or stroke of luck and what would have happened, had things gone the other way. For instance, he wonders what UsefulNotes/{{Napoleon|Bonaparte}} could have done allying with the army of Toussaint [=L'Ouverture=] instead of fighting him.

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** Duncan from time to time dwells on the consequences of a particular decision or stroke of luck and what would have happened, had things gone the other way. For instance, he wonders what UsefulNotes/{{Napoleon|Bonaparte}} could have done allying with the army of Toussaint [=L'Ouverture=] instead of fighting him.him, and notes that Napoleon himself wondered the same thing in his exile on St. Helena.



* MiscarriageOfJustice: This is how Duncan portrays Parliament's persecution of Thomas Wentworth in the run up to the English Civil War. They tried impeaching Wentworth for treason, charges that Wentworth was able to utterly demolish due to their fundamental weakness. So Parliament went ahead and passed a Bill of Attainder, which simply required a majority vote instead of a trial. Wentworth was executed as a result.

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* MiscarriageOfJustice: This is how Duncan portrays Parliament's persecution of Thomas Wentworth in the run up to the English Civil War. They tried impeaching Wentworth for treason, charges that Wentworth was able to utterly demolish due to their fundamental weakness. So Parliament went ahead and passed a Bill of Attainder, which simply required a majority vote instead of a trial. Wentworth was executed as a result. Later, this pattern of parliament putting together a dramatic but utterly incompetent prosecution that turned into a farce of a trial, leading to a brute-force majority vote to execute a prisoner in custody would repeat throughout the revolution, culminating in the execution of King Charles himself.



* PetTheDog: While Charles X was, in most respects, an EvilReactionary trying to restore absolutist rule in France and sweep away the few rights and reforms of the Revolution that had survived the Bourbon Restoration, he was close to his family. In contrast to his brother, Louis XIX's unshakable conviction that the whole French Revolution had been masterminded by Philippe the Duke of Orleans to seize the throne, Charles embraced his son Louis Philippe and felt the Bourbon family should stick together.
** As to Louis Phillipe himself: during the 1848 season, Duncan does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately admirable decision. He points out that the republican government that replaced him had no such qualms about using force to assert their own authority.

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While Charles X was, in most respects, an EvilReactionary trying to restore absolutist rule in France and sweep away the few rights and reforms of the Revolution that had survived the Bourbon Restoration, he was close to his family. In contrast to his brother, Louis XIX's unshakable conviction that the whole French Revolution had been masterminded by Philippe the Duke of Orleans to seize the throne, Charles embraced his Philippe's son Louis Philippe and felt the Bourbon family should stick together.
** As to Louis Phillipe himself: during the 1848 season, Duncan does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately admirable decision. He points out that the republican government that replaced him had no such qualms about using force to assert their own authority.authority when push came to shove.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Talleyrand may be a sleazy, greedy crook whose loyalty to any given master went exactly as far as his own benefit and no further, but he was still a diplomat and believed his job was to ensure peace rather than a favorable position for the next war. When it became obvious that Emperor Napoleon was planning to conquer the world, or at least Europe, and would probably ultimately destroy France in the process of fulfilling his ambitions, Talleyrand started undermining the Emperor behind his back, advising Tsar Alexander II to reject the alliance he was meeting with the tsar to cement and ultimately getting France a seat at the table and surprisingly favorable terms at the Council of Vienna, ''because'' of how many times he'd stabbed Napoleon in the back.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Talleyrand may be have been a sleazy, greedy crook whose loyalty to any given master went exactly as far as his own benefit and no further, but he was still a diplomat and believed his job was to ensure peace rather than a favorable position for the next war. When it became obvious that Emperor Napoleon was planning to conquer the world, or at least Europe, and would probably ultimately destroy France in the process of fulfilling his ambitions, Talleyrand started undermining the Emperor behind his back, advising Tsar Alexander II to reject the alliance he was meeting with the tsar to cement and ultimately getting France a seat at the table and surprisingly favorable terms at the Council of Vienna, ''because'' of how many times he'd stabbed Napoleon in the back.



** As to Louis Phillipe himself: during the 1848 season, Duncan does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately admirable decision.

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** As to Louis Phillipe himself: during the 1848 season, Duncan does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately admirable decision. He points out that the republican government that replaced him had no such qualms about using force to assert their own authority.

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* IGaveMyWord: Whether out of aristocratic honor or something deeper, Duncan describes Simon Bolivar as considering his oaths SeriousBusiness. When his beloved first wife died young, he swore never to marry again, and though he had many love affairs afterwards and even entered at least one serious relationship with a mistress, who also died young, he never did. When he almost ruined himself at the gambling table in France, and had to borrow money to get it back and repay his creditors, he swore never to gamble again, and while he did some risky things later, he kept to it. When the leader of the Republic of Haiti gave him no-strings-attached supplies and ships to reignite his revolution on the mainland, asking in return only that Bolivar swear he would abolish slavery when he won, Bolivar (whose record on race before was hardly spotless; the Second Republic failed ''because'' he prioritized the white slave-owning class's interests over the common people's) burned political capital for the rest of his career ensuring that liberty and equality would be genuine concerns for every country he liberated, building nationalism without (at least ideologically, if not practically) racial supremacy. And, most famously, during a visit to Rome he and his friends stood on the hill the Plebians had once retreated to to force concessions from the Patricians and swore they would fight to liberate America from Spanish rule or die, and no matter how many times he failed and had to run for his life, Bolivar never stopped coming back to fight again, never considered fleeing and abandoning his dream. Duncan also presents the possibility that Bolivar swore a similar oath never to repeat his mistake after a bunch of royalist prisoners were freed in a plot that helped doom the Republican army, suggesting a later prisoner massacre was the result of attempting to keep it.

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When his beloved first wife died young, he swore never to marry again, and though he had many love affairs afterwards and even entered at least one serious relationship with a mistress, who also died young, he never did. did.
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When he almost ruined himself at the gambling table in France, and had to borrow money to get it back and repay his creditors, he swore never to gamble again, and while he did some risky things later, he kept to it. When the leader of the Republic of Haiti gave him no-strings-attached supplies and ships to reignite his revolution on the mainland, asking in return only that Bolivar swear he would abolish slavery when he won, Bolivar (whose record on race before was hardly spotless; the Second Republic failed ''because'' he prioritized the white slave-owning class's interests over the common people's) burned political capital for the rest of his career ensuring that liberty and equality would be genuine concerns for every country he liberated, building nationalism without (at least ideologically, if not practically) racial supremacy. And, most it.
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famously, during a visit to Rome he and his friends stood on the hill the Plebians had once retreated to to force concessions from the Patricians and swore they would fight to liberate America from Spanish rule or die, and no matter how many times he failed and had to run for his life, Bolivar never stopped coming back to fight again, never considered fleeing and abandoning his dream. This is one of two contenders for Bolívar's most consequential promise/oath.
** When Alexandre Pétion, at that point leader of the Republic of Haiti, gave him no-strings-attached supplies and ships to reignite his revolution on the mainland, asking in return only that Bolivar swear he would abolish slavery when he won, Bolivar burned political capital for the rest of his career ensuring that liberty and equality would be genuine concerns for every country he liberated, building nationalism without (at least ideologically, if not practically) racial supremacy. Note that Bolívar's record on race before meeting Pétion was hardly spotless; the Second Republic failed ''because'' he prioritized the white slave-owning class's interests over the common people's. This is the other contender for being Bolívr's most consequential promise/oath, as it really did shape the future of South American society in a fundamental way.
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Duncan also presents the possibility that Bolivar swore a similar oath never to repeat his mistake after a bunch of royalist prisoners were freed in a plot that helped doom the Republican army, suggesting a later prisoner massacre was the result of attempting to keep it.
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** While Louis Phillipe himself was certainly nothing close to evil, Duncan during the 1848 season does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately impressive and unusual decision.

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** While As to Louis Phillipe himself was certainly nothing close to evil, Duncan himself: during the 1848 season season, Duncan does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately impressive and unusual admirable decision.
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** While Louis Phillipe himself was certainly nothing close to evil, Duncan during the 1848 season does paint the portrait of a lazy, torpid, apathetic and disconnected king presiding over a mediocre and corrupt regime. But when Louis, during the uprising against his regime, was faced with the reality that his only way to stay on the throne was to massacre his people, he flatly refused, and instead peacefully abdicated. Duncan acknowledges this as a legitimately impressive and unusual decision.
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* BourgeoisBohemian: One reason Duncan is skeptical of revolutions is that he notes that most revolutionaries whether English, American or French, exaggerate their "oppression" and invoke fears of "slavery" to justify their revolution. In most cases, he notes that they start out as functionaries in the old order, some of them even being nobles, who basically bite the hand that fed them. They also were mostly well-off and slept in comfortable beds unlike the vast majority of the population. The one exception noted by Duncan, is the Haitian Revolution, where actual slaves and oppressed people revolt, against real and actual tyranny and are honest and free of exaggerations. (Significantly, Duncan starts expressing this opinion after Season 4; as revealed in the last episode of Season 11, this is not a coincidence.)

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* BourgeoisBohemian: One reason Duncan is skeptical of revolutions is that he notes that most revolutionaries -- whether English, American or French, French -- exaggerate their "oppression" and invoke fears of "slavery" to justify their revolution. In most cases, he notes that they these revolutionaries start out as functionaries in the old order, some order. Some of them were even being nobles, who basically bite the hand that fed them. nobles. They also tended to rebel for a combination of both idealistic and selfish reasons, and often because the old regime simply wasn't respondent enough to their interests and ambitions. And, unlike the vast majority of the population, they were mostly well-off and slept in comfortable beds unlike the vast majority of the population. beds. The one major exception noted by Duncan, is the Haitian Revolution, where actual slaves and oppressed people revolt, revolt against real and actual tyranny tyranny. In the Haitian Revolutions, claims of "oppression" and "slavery" are honest and free of exaggerations.hyperbole. (Significantly, Duncan starts expressing this opinion after Season 4; as revealed in the last episode of Season 11, this is not a coincidence.)
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* BourgeoisBohemian: One reason Duncan is skeptical of revolutions is that he notes that most revolutionaries whether English, American or French, exaggerate their "oppression" and invoke fears of "slavery" to justify their revolution. In most cases, he notes that they start out as functionaries in the old order, some of them even being nobles, who basically bite the hand that fed them. They also were mostly well-off and slept in comfortable beds unlike the vast majority of the population. The one exception noted by Duncan, is the Haitian Revolution, where actual slaves and oppressed people revolt, against real and actual tyranny and are honest and free of exaggerations.

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* BourgeoisBohemian: One reason Duncan is skeptical of revolutions is that he notes that most revolutionaries whether English, American or French, exaggerate their "oppression" and invoke fears of "slavery" to justify their revolution. In most cases, he notes that they start out as functionaries in the old order, some of them even being nobles, who basically bite the hand that fed them. They also were mostly well-off and slept in comfortable beds unlike the vast majority of the population. The one exception noted by Duncan, is the Haitian Revolution, where actual slaves and oppressed people revolt, against real and actual tyranny and are honest and free of exaggerations. (Significantly, Duncan starts expressing this opinion after Season 4; as revealed in the last episode of Season 11, this is not a coincidence.)
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* Season 3 (July 2014-August 2015; 55 episodes plus 5 supplementals): The UsefulNotes/FrenchRevolution
* Season 4 (September 2015-April 2016; 19 episodes plus 1 supplemental): The UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}}an Revolution

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UsefulNotes/FrenchRevolution. By Duncan's own admission, the real beginning of the series, when he really starts to take off and find his stride.
* Season 4 (September 2015-April 2016; 19 episodes plus 1 supplemental): The UsefulNotes/{{Haiti}}an RevolutionRevolution. Per Duncan, the season that had the most impact on him and his worldview (and, when you hear it, no wonder).
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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.

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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done none of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.
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* PaperTiger: French liberals were convinced that Polignac and Charles X were plotting a devious royalist coup to overthrow the country's constitution and establish an absolutist monarchy. The two men's well-known absolutism and hatred for the French Revolution and its reforms left those liberals absolutely sure that a hammer blow was coming. But, as it turned out, there was no devious royalist coup. Polignac and his team were mostly content to wait for God to help them out. And when the government did push out a series of decrees that essentially served as the long-awaited coup attempt, the whole enterprise proved to be rather lazy and half-assed, with the government having done of the preparatory work necessary to actually succeed. As such, the revolutionaries in Paris were able to push out Charles after three days and a (relatively) small amount of bloodshed.
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* GrandFinale: The series ended on Christmas Day 2022 with an episode entitled "Adieu Mes Amis," a grand farewell that amounted to a complete history of the origins of ''Revolutions,'' a heartfelt goodbye and a preview of Duncan's next project.
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''Revolutions'' (2013-present) is the second history podcast by Creator/MikeDuncan. Unlike [[Podcast/TheHistoryOfRome his previous podcast]], ''Revolutions'' is not the history of one society or polity but rather a thematic series focusing on particular revolutions in the history of the modern world.

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''Revolutions'' (2013-present) (2013-2022) is the second history podcast by Creator/MikeDuncan. Unlike [[Podcast/TheHistoryOfRome his previous podcast]], ''Revolutions'' is not the history of one society or polity but rather a thematic series focusing on particular revolutions in the history of the modern world.
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* Season 11 (September 2022-present): An epilogue season comparing and contrasting all the Revolutions from the 10 seasons while trying to give Duncan's own answer to the historical question of "what makes a Revolution?".


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* HeadInTheSandManagement: The reactionary ministry of Polignac under Charles X before the July Revolution of 1830 was blunted by the lethargic Polignac's unshakable conviction that God was on his side, and therefore he didn't actually have to do ''anything'' and everything would work out in the end and go his way. His inept mismanagement ensured that the Bourbon response to the crisis was about twelve hours behind where it needed to be and helped ensure the fall of the house of Bourbon forever. Mike even notes the comic irony that a secret society founded by his rivals was literally named something like "Help Yourself and Heaven Will Help You," in contrast to his own.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Duncan does on occasion weigh in on the common portrayal and appraisal of the historical figures he talks about. He's particularly fascinated by the different judgment Lafayette receives in the US (where he is widely regarded as a hero and a military genius) and France (where he is widely regarded as an inept moderate who badly misjudged his own ability and popularity). Duncan tends towards the American view of Lafayette and is happy to see some French opinions on him shift (he's even written a book about Lafayette and his role in the various revolutions).

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Duncan does on occasion weigh in on the common portrayal and appraisal of the historical figures he talks about. He's particularly fascinated by the different judgment Lafayette receives in the US (where he is widely regarded as a hero and a military genius) and France (where he is widely regarded as an inept moderate who badly misjudged his own ability and popularity).popularity at best and a traitor who sold out the heroic July revolutionaries to conservative elements at worst). Duncan tends towards the American view of Lafayette and is happy to see some French opinions on him shift (he's even written a book about Lafayette and his role in the various revolutions).



* PetTheDog: While Charles X was, in most respects, an EvilReactionary trying to restore absolutist rule in France and sweep away the few rights and reforms of the Revolution that had survived the Bourbon Restoration, he was close to his family. In contrast to his brother, Louis XIX's unshakable conviction that the whole French Revolution had been masterminded by Philippe the Duke of Orleans to seize the throne, Charles embraced his son Louis Philippe and felt the Bourbon family should stick together.



* RapePillageAndBurn: While many revolutionary and establishment armies engage in it throughout the series, Boves the Legion of Hell from the wars of the Venezuelan Second Republic take the cake. Drawn from the llaneros, mostly mixed-race cowboys native to the Llanos region, Boves Legion of Hell were nominally royalist, but in practice were mostly interested in plundering all the wealth they could get their mitts on and doing unspeakable things to every civilian that fell into their hands.

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* RapePillageAndBurn: While many revolutionary and establishment armies engage in it throughout the series, Boves and the Legion of Hell from the wars of the Venezuelan Second Republic take the cake. Drawn from the llaneros, mostly mixed-race cowboys native to the Llanos region, Boves Boves's Legion of Hell were nominally royalist, but in practice were mostly interested in plundering all the wealth they could get their mitts on and doing unspeakable things to every civilian that fell into their hands.
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* MiscarriageOfJustice: This is how Duncan portrays Parliament's persecution of Thomas Wentworth in the run up to the English Civil War. They tried impeaching Wentworth for treason, charges that Wentworth was able to utterly demolish due to their fundamental weakness. So Parliament went ahead and passed a Bill of Attainder, which simply required a majority vote instead of a trial. Wentworth was executed as a result.
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** Duncan coined the term "entropy of victory" to explain how victorious revolutionary coalitions invariably fly apart due to internal conflicts once the original regime has been toppled. The term comes up ''a lot'' over the course of the show's run.

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