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** ; Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his "battles".
** Tropopopis is already in a bad spot due to its status as an unstable WretchedHive, Bob the Super-Troper showing up just [[FromBadToWorse escalates its issues]].
** Tropopopis is already in a bad spot due to its status as an unstable WretchedHive, Bob the Super-Troper showing up just [[FromBadToWorse escalates its issues]].
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** ; Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his "battles".
**Tropopopis Tropopolis is already in a bad spot due to its status as an unstable WretchedHive, Bob the Super-Troper showing up just [[FromBadToWorse escalates its issues]].
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* '''Straight''': Tropopolis just had regular gangs before Bob the Super-Troper appeared, and now a whole rogues gallery menaces the city.
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* '''Straight''': '''Straight''': Tropopolis just had regular gangs before Bob the Super-Troper appeared, and now a whole rogues gallery menaces the city.
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* '''Downplayed''': Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his "battles".
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
**; Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his"battles". "battles".
** Tropopopis is already in a bad spot due to its status as an unstable WretchedHive, Bob the Super-Troper showing up just [[FromBadToWorse escalates its issues]].
**; Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his
** Tropopopis is already in a bad spot due to its status as an unstable WretchedHive, Bob the Super-Troper showing up just [[FromBadToWorse escalates its issues]].
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* '''Conversed''': "How come supervillains always seem to sprout like weeds right after their origin story?"
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* '''Conversed''': '''Conversed''':
** "How come supervillains always seem to sprout like weeds right after their originstory?"story?"
** "You know, 'Green Goblin blows up Times Square, Spidey [[MisplacedRetribution gets blamed for it]], anti-superhero [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry mob]] forms' is not a viable [[YoYoPlotPoint recurring plot point]]. Maybe it's [[ComicBook/ThePunisherKillsTheMarvelUniverse a nice change of pace]], but once you make it a cornerstone of the status quo, [[TooBleakStoppedCaring you're gonna lose customers]]."
** "How come supervillains always seem to sprout like weeds right after their origin
** "You know, 'Green Goblin blows up Times Square, Spidey [[MisplacedRetribution gets blamed for it]], anti-superhero [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry mob]] forms' is not a viable [[YoYoPlotPoint recurring plot point]]. Maybe it's [[ComicBook/ThePunisherKillsTheMarvelUniverse a nice change of pace]], but once you make it a cornerstone of the status quo, [[TooBleakStoppedCaring you're gonna lose customers]]."
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** After the superheroes go into retirement, super-powered crime skyrockets. Without the heroes to stop them, ordinary peacekeeping forces are easily overwhelmed. The heroes come out of retirement to put the villains in check, demonstrating why the heroes necessary on a smaller scale.
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** Superheroes as a whole have become TheMenInBlack and have disposed of supervillains from the shadows. The average man on the street has never heard of superhumans (and related problems) existing at all.
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* '''Subverted''': The negative impacts of the hero are simply overemphasized and it turns out crime and destruction is actually on the downturn.
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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
** The negative impacts of the hero are simply overemphasized and it turns out crime and destruction is actually on the downturn.
** The negative impacts of the hero are simply overemphasized and it turns out crime and destruction is actually on the downturn.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob's comic constantly changes writers with different political views leading to some stories where superheroics are a completely necessary and inconsequential fight with BlackAndWhiteMorality and others where superheroes are nothing more than vigilantes who are just as dangerous to the people they "save" as the people they "clean up".
* '''Averted''': The existence of superheroes is an unquestionable good.
* '''Averted''': The existence of superheroes is an unquestionable good.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Zagged''':
** Bob's comic constantly changes writers with different political views leading to some stories where superheroics are a completely necessary and inconsequential fight with BlackAndWhiteMorality and others where superheroes are nothing more than vigilantes who are just as dangerous to the people they "save" as the people they "clean up".
** Some members of Bob's RoguesGallery were created as a direct result of Bob's actions, while others would have become supervillains with or without him.
*'''Averted''': '''Averted''':
** The existence of superheroes is an unquestionable good.
** Bob's comic constantly changes writers with different political views leading to some stories where superheroics are a completely necessary and inconsequential fight with BlackAndWhiteMorality and others where superheroes are nothing more than vigilantes who are just as dangerous to the people they "save" as the people they "clean up".
** Some members of Bob's RoguesGallery were created as a direct result of Bob's actions, while others would have become supervillains with or without him.
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** The existence of superheroes is an unquestionable good.
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* '''Reconstructed''': The people of Tropopolis come to realize that superheroes can cause unintended damage, sometimes quite lot of it, just like many other elements of society that are seen as necessary ([[CorruptCop police]], [[ArmiesAreEvil armies]], [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]]). And just like those other things, there's ultimately no way around needing them- when Zardox the Devourer shows up in orbit, superheroes are simply the only solution.
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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** After some discussion, it comes to light that there are plenty of things that would still end up happening without superheroes being involved in the first place, [[HistoryRepeats just as they always have]]. Ultimately, [[RousseauWasRight most superheroes only started out just like anybody else,]] [[CreateYourOwnHero and this kind of trouble was what led to them appearing in the first place]].
** The people of Tropopolis come to realize that superheroes can cause unintended damage, sometimes quite lot of it, just like many other elements of society that are seen as necessary ([[CorruptCop police]], [[ArmiesAreEvil armies]], [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]]). And just like those other things, there's ultimately no way around needing them- when Zardox the Devourer shows up in orbit, superheroes are simply the only solution.
** After some discussion, it comes to light that there are plenty of things that would still end up happening without superheroes being involved in the first place, [[HistoryRepeats just as they always have]]. Ultimately, [[RousseauWasRight most superheroes only started out just like anybody else,]] [[CreateYourOwnHero and this kind of trouble was what led to them appearing in the first place]].
** The people of Tropopolis come to realize that superheroes can cause unintended damage, sometimes quite lot of it, just like many other elements of society that are seen as necessary ([[CorruptCop police]], [[ArmiesAreEvil armies]], [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]]). And just like those other things, there's ultimately no way around needing them- when Zardox the Devourer shows up in orbit, superheroes are simply the only solution.
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** Superheroes have already prevented several [[ApocalypseHow global extinction events]] unrelated to their existence that mundanes were powerless against. Only a [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery very specific point of view]] would ever consider a lack of them an as a result improvement.
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** Superheroes have already prevented several [[ApocalypseHow global extinction events]] unrelated to their existence that mundanes were powerless against. Only a [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery very specific point of view]] would ever consider a lack of them an as a result improvement.
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** Superheroes have already prevented several [[ApocalypseHow global extinction events]] unrelated to their existence that mundanes were powerless against. Only a [[PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery very specific point of view]] would ever consider a lack of them an as a result improvement.
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** Mundane gangs and organized crime had far worse collateral damage, especially with their corruption and racketeering. Supers of both sorts made them utterly non-viable, resulting in any mundane gangs being [[PokeThePoodle dumb delinquents who engage in petty crimes]].
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** Supervillains undeniably came first and not even martial law level could stop them. [[CreateYourOwnHero Until they just inadvertently brought about heroes.]]
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* '''Played For Laughs''': All superhumans are [[PersonOfMassDestruction super-destructive]] [[LethallyStupid dumbasses]], "hero" and "villain" alike. The complaint is well-founded in how ''annoying'' they are.
* '''Played For Horror''': The citizens of Tropopolis lynch all superhumans out of fear of this happening.
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': The series is a homage to Golden Age/Silver Age tropes and the people who talk about this trope are strawmen who get put in their place to the cry of "SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers"
* '''Played For Horror''': The citizens of Tropopolis lynch all superhumans out of fear of this happening.
* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': The series is a homage to Golden Age/Silver Age tropes and the people who talk about this trope are strawmen who get put in their place to the cry of "SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers"
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* '''Inverted''': Supervillains and major disasters were decreased drastically by the presence of superheroes or came first.
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* '''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
** Supervillains and major disasters were decreased drastically by the presence of superheroes or camefirst. first.
** The actions of the setting's villains are inadvertently making it impossible for criminals to benefit from crime.
** Supervillains and major disasters were decreased drastically by the presence of superheroes or came
** The actions of the setting's villains are inadvertently making it impossible for criminals to benefit from crime.
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* '''Invoked''': Bob saves the day, but when he goes home he turns on the news only to hear about the people he didn't save, and how the defeated villain will just be back for more.
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* '''Invoked''': Bob saves the day, but when he goes home he turns on the news only to hear about the people he didn't save, and how the defeated The villain encourages Bob to become a hero, specifically because [[DestructiveSavior Bob]]'s efforts at heroism will just in the long run be back for more.more destructive to Tropopolis than any one act of direct villainy.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Superheroes all go into retirement seeing as they're the cause of all their problems.
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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Implied''': Bob saves the day, but when he goes home he turns on the news only to hear about the people he didn't save, and how the defeated villain will just be back for more.
* '''Deconstructed''':
** Superheroes all go into retirement seeing as they're the cause of all theirproblems.problems.
** Superhuman people who run around harming the people around them are effectively villains, even if they consider themselves otherwise, and it's not long before Tropopolis treats them as such. It's not long before the setting devolves into an ugly conflict between heroes and citizens; whoever wins, there's no one around that can really be called a superhero after the dust settles.
* '''Reconstructed''': The people of Tropopolis come to realize that superheroes can cause unintended damage, sometimes quite lot of it, just like many other elements of society that are seen as necessary ([[CorruptCop police]], [[ArmiesAreEvil armies]], [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]]). And just like those other things, there's ultimately no way around needing them- when Zardox the Devourer shows up in orbit, superheroes are simply the only solution.
* '''Deconstructed''':
** Superheroes all go into retirement seeing as they're the cause of all their
** Superhuman people who run around harming the people around them are effectively villains, even if they consider themselves otherwise, and it's not long before Tropopolis treats them as such. It's not long before the setting devolves into an ugly conflict between heroes and citizens; whoever wins, there's no one around that can really be called a superhero after the dust settles.
* '''Reconstructed''': The people of Tropopolis come to realize that superheroes can cause unintended damage, sometimes quite lot of it, just like many other elements of society that are seen as necessary ([[CorruptCop police]], [[ArmiesAreEvil armies]], [[EvilLawyerJoke lawyers]]). And just like those other things, there's ultimately no way around needing them- when Zardox the Devourer shows up in orbit, superheroes are simply the only solution.
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* '''Defied''': A superhero actively tries to limit collateral damage, prevent people from becoming too complacent to protect themselves, and ensures that as few supervillains can rise to prominence as possible.
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** A superhero actively tries to limit collateral damage, prevent people from becoming too complacent to protect themselves, and ensures that as few supervillains can rise to prominence aspossible. possible.
** "Before any of you assholes starts to whine about how we were all safer until superheroes showed up, I'm going to ask you a question: [Points at Galactus knock-off high in the sky] Would '''[[LetsSeeYouDoBetter you]]''' have been able to do '''anything''' about this?"
** A superhero actively tries to limit collateral damage, prevent people from becoming too complacent to protect themselves, and ensures that as few supervillains can rise to prominence as
** "Before any of you assholes starts to whine about how we were all safer until superheroes showed up, I'm going to ask you a question: [Points at Galactus knock-off high in the sky] Would '''[[LetsSeeYouDoBetter you]]''' have been able to do '''anything''' about this?"
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** MakeYourOwnVillain: Superheroes play into the backstory or motivation of their nemesis.
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** MakeYourOwnVillain: CreateYourOwnVillain: Superheroes play into the backstory or motivation of their nemesis.
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'''Basic Trope''': Superheroes seem to be more trouble than they're worth.
* '''Straight''': Tropopolis just had regular gangs before Bob the Super-Troper appeared, and now a whole rogues gallery menaces the city.
* '''Exaggerated''': Tropopolis used to be a crime-free utopia, and now it faces a literal MonsterOfTheWeek, as in 52 supervillain attacks, alien invasions, etc. every year.
* '''Downplayed''': Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his "battles".
* '''Justified''':
** MetaOrigin: Supervillains are caused by the same thing as superheroes.
** MakeYourOwnVillain: Superheroes play into the backstory or motivation of their nemesis.
** Escalation: Once someone was crazy enough to put on tights to ''stop'' crime, it was only a matter of time until someone was crazy enough to do the opposite.
** Heroic Lightning Rod: Villains want to fight the hero for whatever reason, so attacking their home city is a great way to draw them out.
* '''Inverted''': Supervillains and major disasters were decreased drastically by the presence of superheroes or came first.
* '''Subverted''': The negative impacts of the hero are simply overemphasized and it turns out crime and destruction is actually on the downturn.
* '''Double Subverted''': But only after a huge initial spike once the hero first appeared.
* '''Parodied''': Not one minute after their origin story does Bob find himself the sole cause of a supervillain-overrun world.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob's comic constantly changes writers with different political views leading to some stories where superheroics are a completely necessary and inconsequential fight with BlackAndWhiteMorality and others where superheroes are nothing more than vigilantes who are just as dangerous to the people they "save" as the people they "clean up".
* '''Averted''': The existence of superheroes is an unquestionable good.
* '''Enforced''': A writer wants to explore how vigilantism may cause more problems than it creates.
* '''Lampshaded''': Two characters debate in-universe on whether superheroes are actually good for the world.
* '''Invoked''': Bob saves the day, but when he goes home he turns on the news only to hear about the people he didn't save, and how the defeated villain will just be back for more.
* '''Exploited''': A supervillain goads the hero into causing collateral damage knowing how the public will turn on them.
* '''Defied''': A superhero actively tries to limit collateral damage, prevent people from becoming too complacent to protect themselves, and ensures that as few supervillains can rise to prominence as possible.
* '''Discussed''': "Everything was going fine until the heroes showed up."
* '''Conversed''': "How come supervillains always seem to sprout like weeds right after their origin story?"
* '''Deconstructed''': Superheroes all go into retirement seeing as they're the cause of all their problems.
* '''Played For Drama''': The hero has to deal with protests to their actions.
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In a world of superheroes, we just don't feel safe anymore. Let's evacuate Tropopolis and contemplate the SuperheroParadox.
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* '''Straight''': Tropopolis just had regular gangs before Bob the Super-Troper appeared, and now a whole rogues gallery menaces the city.
* '''Exaggerated''': Tropopolis used to be a crime-free utopia, and now it faces a literal MonsterOfTheWeek, as in 52 supervillain attacks, alien invasions, etc. every year.
* '''Downplayed''': Bob the Super-Troper doesn't have to fight supervillains, but occasionally roughs up the wrong person and causes collateral damage in his "battles".
* '''Justified''':
** MetaOrigin: Supervillains are caused by the same thing as superheroes.
** MakeYourOwnVillain: Superheroes play into the backstory or motivation of their nemesis.
** Escalation: Once someone was crazy enough to put on tights to ''stop'' crime, it was only a matter of time until someone was crazy enough to do the opposite.
** Heroic Lightning Rod: Villains want to fight the hero for whatever reason, so attacking their home city is a great way to draw them out.
* '''Inverted''': Supervillains and major disasters were decreased drastically by the presence of superheroes or came first.
* '''Subverted''': The negative impacts of the hero are simply overemphasized and it turns out crime and destruction is actually on the downturn.
* '''Double Subverted''': But only after a huge initial spike once the hero first appeared.
* '''Parodied''': Not one minute after their origin story does Bob find himself the sole cause of a supervillain-overrun world.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob's comic constantly changes writers with different political views leading to some stories where superheroics are a completely necessary and inconsequential fight with BlackAndWhiteMorality and others where superheroes are nothing more than vigilantes who are just as dangerous to the people they "save" as the people they "clean up".
* '''Averted''': The existence of superheroes is an unquestionable good.
* '''Enforced''': A writer wants to explore how vigilantism may cause more problems than it creates.
* '''Lampshaded''': Two characters debate in-universe on whether superheroes are actually good for the world.
* '''Invoked''': Bob saves the day, but when he goes home he turns on the news only to hear about the people he didn't save, and how the defeated villain will just be back for more.
* '''Exploited''': A supervillain goads the hero into causing collateral damage knowing how the public will turn on them.
* '''Defied''': A superhero actively tries to limit collateral damage, prevent people from becoming too complacent to protect themselves, and ensures that as few supervillains can rise to prominence as possible.
* '''Discussed''': "Everything was going fine until the heroes showed up."
* '''Conversed''': "How come supervillains always seem to sprout like weeds right after their origin story?"
* '''Deconstructed''': Superheroes all go into retirement seeing as they're the cause of all their problems.
* '''Played For Drama''': The hero has to deal with protests to their actions.
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