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* '''Justified''': Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling {{yes man}}, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
* '''Inverted''': Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
* '''Inverted''': Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling {{yes man}}, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
** Alice knows about TheChainsOfCommanding and figures that it's part of the job of being in charge. Bob being someone who will earnestly tell her how bad things are and tell her to avoid bad decisions helps her, because it keeps her from making costly mistakes that could doom the entire empire. It also ensures she gets a better idea of how things currently are instead of the sugarcoated version.
*'''Inverted''': '''Inverted''':
** Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it isfalse.false.
** Bob feeds Alice lies and makes her think everything's hunky dory, so as to ensure her reign will end from her incompetence.
** Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling {{yes man}}, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
** Alice knows about TheChainsOfCommanding and figures that it's part of the job of being in charge. Bob being someone who will earnestly tell her how bad things are and tell her to avoid bad decisions helps her, because it keeps her from making costly mistakes that could doom the entire empire. It also ensures she gets a better idea of how things currently are instead of the sugarcoated version.
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** Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is
** Bob feeds Alice lies and makes her think everything's hunky dory, so as to ensure her reign will end from her incompetence.
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* '''Zig-Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he goes too far and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancé]]; she promptly fires him. Then her fiancé nearly [[TheScrappy destroys the kingdom by accident]], and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
* '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have an advisor.
* '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have an advisor.
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* '''Zig-Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he goes too far and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancé]]; she promptly fires him. Then her fiancé nearly [[TheScrappy [[TheDitz destroys the kingdom by accident]], and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
* '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have an advisor. Or Bob is a TreacherousAdvisor instead.
* '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have an advisor. Or Bob is a TreacherousAdvisor instead.
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* '''Lampshaded''': "As ever, Sir Robert, I thank you for your clear thinking and open expression thereof."
* '''Invoked''': Alice has a new but grave problem and she solicits information from the finest minds in the kingdom.
* '''Invoked''': Alice has a new but grave problem and she solicits information from the finest minds in the kingdom.
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* '''Lampshaded''': '''Lampshaded''':
** "As ever, Sir Robert, I thank you for your clear thinking and open expression thereof."
** "My Queen, I would prefer to hurt your heart now and heal the wound later, than to poison you with lies and watch you succumb."
* '''Invoked''': Alice has a new but grave problem and she solicits information from the finest minds in the kingdom. She intentionally seeks out someone who won't try to sugarcoat things.
** "As ever, Sir Robert, I thank you for your clear thinking and open expression thereof."
** "My Queen, I would prefer to hurt your heart now and heal the wound later, than to poison you with lies and watch you succumb."
* '''Invoked''': Alice has a new but grave problem and she solicits information from the finest minds in the kingdom. She intentionally seeks out someone who won't try to sugarcoat things.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Alice is TheDitz and relies on Bob to help her with reasoning. When she's separated from him, she can't think well.
* '''Reconstructed''': It turns out that Alice learned proper logical situational analysis from Bob.
* '''Reconstructed''': It turns out that Alice learned proper logical situational analysis from Bob.
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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
** Alice is TheDitz and relies on Bob to help her with reasoning. When she's separated from him, she can't think well.
** Bob is honest to a fault, and ends up telling her things that, while true, would have been better off unsaid, at least to her face.
*'''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** It turns out that Alice learned proper logical situational analysis fromBob.Bob.
** Bob learns to warn Alice about the things he may say, so that she can brace herself and decide if she wants to hear them.
** Alice is TheDitz and relies on Bob to help her with reasoning. When she's separated from him, she can't think well.
** Bob is honest to a fault, and ends up telling her things that, while true, would have been better off unsaid, at least to her face.
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** It turns out that Alice learned proper logical situational analysis from
** Bob learns to warn Alice about the things he may say, so that she can brace herself and decide if she wants to hear them.
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Back to HonestAdvisorHonestAdvisor. I know it sounds like a hard decision, my Queen, but it's better than the alternative, I assure you.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Bob is actually just pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
* '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "[[DoesThisMakeMeLookFat Does this dress make me look fat?]]", something he always replies with BrutalHonesty.
* '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "[[DoesThisMakeMeLookFat Does this dress make me look fat?]]", something he always replies with BrutalHonesty.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Bob is actually just only pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
* '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is"[[DoesThisMakeMeLookFat Does [[DoesThisMakeMeLookFat "Does this dress make me look fat?]]", something fat?"]], to which he always replies with BrutalHonesty.
* '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is
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* '''Discussed''': ???
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* '''Discussed''': ???
Alice, to her new advisor, Ben: "Robert was much better at telling me bad news."
* '''Conversed''':???"They present Alice as the hero, but she needs Bob to tell her what she needs to hear, so as far as I'm concerned, he's the real hero."
* '''Conversed''':
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* '''Straight''': Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he always offers honest council.
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* '''Straight''': Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he WillNotTellALie and always offers honest council.counsel.
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** Bob survives as Queen Alice's advisor, because he is good at delivering bad news well and pointing out how to use the clouds' silver linings.
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** Bob survives as Queen Alice's advisor, because he is good at [[BreakingBadNewsGently delivering bad news well well]] and pointing out how to use the clouds' silver linings.
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* '''Justified''': Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
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* '''Justified''': Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, {{yes man}}, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
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* '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does this dress make me look fat?", something he always replies with BrutalHonesty.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he goes to far and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancee]]; she promptly fires him. Then her fiancee nearly [[TheScrappy destroys the kingdom by accident]], and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he goes to far and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancee]]; she promptly fires him. Then her fiancee nearly [[TheScrappy destroys the kingdom by accident]], and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
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* '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does "[[DoesThisMakeMeLookFat Does this dress make me look fat?", fat?]]", something he always replies with BrutalHonesty.
*'''Zig Zagged''': '''Zig-Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he goes to too far and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancee]]; fiancé]]; she promptly fires him. Then her fiancee fiancé nearly [[TheScrappy destroys the kingdom by accident]], and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
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* '''Lampshaded''': ???
"As ever, Sir Robert, I thank you for your clear thinking and open expression thereof."
* '''Invoked''':???
Alice has a new but grave problem and she solicits information from the finest minds in the kingdom.
* '''Exploited''':???
Bob knows [[VetinariJobSecurity he's too important to be replaced or discarded]], so he arranges to transfer more and more of Queen Alice's powers to him until he's TheManBehindTheMan.
* '''Defied''':???Alice fires Bob as soon as he tells her something that conflicts with any of her preexisting biases.
* '''Invoked''':
* '''Exploited''':
* '''Defied''':
* '''Deconstructed''': Alice is TheDitz and relies on Bob to help her with reasoning. When she's separated from him, she can't think well.
* '''Reconstructed''': It turns out that Alice learned proper logical situational analysis from Bob.
* '''Reconstructed''': It turns out that Alice learned proper logical situational analysis from Bob.
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* '''Downplayed''': Bob survives as Queen Alice's advisor, because he is good at delivering bad news well and pointing out how to use the clouds' silver linings.
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** Bob survives as Queen Alice's advisor, because he is good at delivering bad news well and pointing out how to use the clouds' silver linings.
** Bob survives as Queen Alice's advisor, because he is good at delivering bad news well and pointing out how to use the clouds' silver linings.
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This Is Unforgivable is an extremely harsh trope - too strong for even this context...
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he [[ThisIsUnforgivable goes to far]] and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancee]]. Then her fiancee nearly destroys the kingdom by accident, and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he [[ThisIsUnforgivable goes to far]] far and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancee]]. fiancee]]; she promptly fires him. Then her fiancee nearly [[TheScrappy destroys the kingdom by accident, accident]], and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
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* '''Downplayed''': ???
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* '''Downplayed''': ???Bob survives as Queen Alice's advisor, because he is good at delivering bad news well and pointing out how to use the clouds' silver linings.
** All the other advisors are so desperate to avoid having to deliver bad news that they conspire to keep Bob around...
** All the other advisors are so desperate to avoid having to deliver bad news that they conspire to keep Bob around...
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???
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* '''Zig Zagged''': ???Alice keeps Bob on for his honesty, even though he's occasionally wrong. But one day, he [[ThisIsUnforgivable goes to far]] and criticizes her [[LoveInterest fiancee]]. Then her fiancee nearly destroys the kingdom by accident, and after [[ContemplateOurNavels much soul-searching]], she rehires Bob.
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'''Basic Trope:''': A character is kept as an advisor specifically because they are honest
* '''Strait:''' Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he always offers honest council.
* '''Exaggerated:''' Bob's job comes with the agreement that if Alice ever finds out that he lied about something, he will be fired.
* '''Downplayed:''' ???
* '''Justified:''' Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
* '''Inverted:''' Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
* '''Subverted:''' Alice seems wise enough to keep an honest advisor, but when Bob is shown in person, he lies to her constantly to garner favor or forward his own agenda.
* '''Double Subverted:''' Bob is actually just pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
* '''Parodied:''' The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does this dress make me look fat?".
* '''Deconstructed:''' ???
* '''Reconstructed:''' ???
* '''Zig Zagged:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Alice doesn't have an advisor
* '''Enforced:''' Bob is the main character, and the story requires him to be both a very honest person and the queen's advisor.
* '''Implied:''' Bob is never mentioned, but several times Alice has stupid ideas, and later understands the problems with them without anyone explaining onscreen.
* '''Strait:''' Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he always offers honest council.
* '''Exaggerated:''' Bob's job comes with the agreement that if Alice ever finds out that he lied about something, he will be fired.
* '''Downplayed:''' ???
* '''Justified:''' Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
* '''Inverted:''' Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
* '''Subverted:''' Alice seems wise enough to keep an honest advisor, but when Bob is shown in person, he lies to her constantly to garner favor or forward his own agenda.
* '''Double Subverted:''' Bob is actually just pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
* '''Parodied:''' The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does this dress make me look fat?".
* '''Deconstructed:''' ???
* '''Reconstructed:''' ???
* '''Zig Zagged:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Alice doesn't have an advisor
* '''Enforced:''' Bob is the main character, and the story requires him to be both a very honest person and the queen's advisor.
* '''Implied:''' Bob is never mentioned, but several times Alice has stupid ideas, and later understands the problems with them without anyone explaining onscreen.
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'''Basic Trope:''': Trope''': A character is kept as an advisor specifically because they are honest
honest.
*'''Strait:''' '''Straight''': Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he always offers honest council.
*'''Exaggerated:''' '''Exaggerated''': Bob's job comes with the agreement that if Alice ever finds out that he lied about something, he will be fired.
*'''Downplayed:''' '''Downplayed''': ???
*'''Justified:''' '''Justified''': Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
*'''Inverted:''' '''Inverted''': Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
*'''Subverted:''' '''Subverted''': Alice seems wise enough to keep an honest advisor, but when Bob is shown in person, he lies to her constantly to garner favor or forward his own agenda.
* '''DoubleSubverted:''' Subverted''': Bob is actually just pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
*'''Parodied:''' '''Parodied''': The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does this dress make me look fat?".
* '''Deconstructed:''' ???
* '''Reconstructed:''' ???
fat?", something he always replies with BrutalHonesty.
* '''ZigZagged:''' Zagged''': ???
*'''Averted:''' '''Averted''': Alice doesn't have an advisor
advisor.
*'''Enforced:''' '''Enforced''': Bob is the main character, and the story requires him to be both a very honest person and the queen's advisor.
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* '''Invoked''': ???
* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Defied''': ???
* '''Discussed''': ???
* '''Conversed''': ???
* '''Implied''': Bob is never mentioned, but several times Alice has stupid ideas, and later understands the problems with them without anyone explainingonscreen.onscreen.
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* '''Implied''': Bob is never mentioned, but several times Alice has stupid ideas, and later understands the problems with them without anyone explaining
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* '''Reconstructed:''' ??????
* '''Zig Zagged:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Alice doesn't have an advisor
* '''Enforced:''' Bob is the main character, and the story requires him to be both a very honest person and the queen's advisor.
* '''Implied:''' Bob is never mentioned, but several times Alice has stupid ideas, and later understands the problems with them without anyone explaining onscreen.
* '''Zig Zagged:''' ???
* '''Averted:''' Alice doesn't have an advisor
* '''Enforced:''' Bob is the main character, and the story requires him to be both a very honest person and the queen's advisor.
* '''Implied:''' Bob is never mentioned, but several times Alice has stupid ideas, and later understands the problems with them without anyone explaining onscreen.
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'''Basic Trope''': A character is kept as an advisor specifically because they are honest
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'''Basic Trope''': Trope:''': A character is kept as an advisor specifically because they are honesthonest
*'''Strait:''' Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he always offers honest council.
*'''Exaggerated:''' Bob's job comes with the agreement that if Alice ever finds out that he lied about something, he will be fired.
*'''Downplayed:''' ???
*'''Justified:''' Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
*'''Inverted:''' Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
*'''Subverted:''' Alice seems wise enough to keep an honest advisor, but when Bob is shown in person, he lies to her constantly to garner favor or forward his own agenda.
*'''Double Subverted:''' Bob is actually just pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
*'''Parodied:''' The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does this dress make me look fat?".
*'''Deconstructed:''' ???
*'''Reconstructed:''' ???
*'''Strait:''' Queen Alice keeps Bob as her advisor specifically because he always offers honest council.
*'''Exaggerated:''' Bob's job comes with the agreement that if Alice ever finds out that he lied about something, he will be fired.
*'''Downplayed:''' ???
*'''Justified:''' Everyone else in Alice's court is a sniveling yes-man, and she knows that she can come up with dumb ideas without a check on her power.
*'''Inverted:''' Alice keeps Bob as her adviser because he always tells her what she wants to hear, even when it is false.
*'''Subverted:''' Alice seems wise enough to keep an honest advisor, but when Bob is shown in person, he lies to her constantly to garner favor or forward his own agenda.
*'''Double Subverted:''' Bob is actually just pretending to be dishonest so that others in the court will underestimate Alice. When they can't see, Bob would never lie.
*'''Parodied:''' The most important thing Alice ever asks Bob is "Does this dress make me look fat?".
*'''Deconstructed:''' ???
*'''Reconstructed:''' ???
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