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* '''Zig-Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and [[RightfulKingReturns putting the legitimate king back on the throne]]. Carol points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.

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--> '''Alice''': Sooo, what do these terms "freedom and justice" actually mean?
--> '''Clay''': Bob, what in the actual '''''[[PrecisionFStrike FUCK]]''''' are you yammering about!?
--> '''David''': This was ''NOT'' how it was supposed to go down...
* '''Zig-Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and [[RightfulKingReturns putting the legitimate king back on the throne]]. Carol David points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.



* '''Implied''': Two MauveShirt[=s=] talk about Bob's speech. They agree that it "sounded good but can't have meant much."

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* '''Implied''': Two MauveShirt[=s=] {{Mauve Shirt}}s talk about Bob's speech. They agree that it "sounded good but can't have meant much."
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** Repeated instances of this trope result in people completely forgetting what the words actually mean anymore, to the point that, when pressed on their definitions, they just say "Freedom/justice is good" instead of actually elaborating. This makes them look brainwashed and dullwitted.
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* '''Parodied''': One of the RedShirts [[RebelliousRebel continually interrupts]] Bob's RousingSpeech and [[AndThenWhat asks him to elaborate further on his ideals]]. Each time, Bob attempts to do so [[CringeComedy with a lot of awkward pauses]] and [[AsideGlance aside glances]] to double check with [[TheSmartGuy Charlie]] if his points are correct.

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* '''Parodied''': One of the RedShirts (or perhaps [[TheBigGuy Clay]]) [[RebelliousRebel continually interrupts]] Bob's RousingSpeech and [[AndThenWhat asks him to elaborate further on his ideals]]. Each time, Bob attempts to do so [[CringeComedy with a lot of awkward pauses]] and [[AsideGlance aside glances]] to double check with [[TheSmartGuy Charlie]] David]] if his points are correct.correct. Everyone around Bob does a collective FacePalm at his piss poor attempts of profoundness.
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** "Um, does anyway say they're fighting for ''unfreedom?''"

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** "Um, does anyway anyone say they're fighting for ''unfreedom?''"

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* '''Exaggerated''': [[TheLancer Alice]] fights for the protection of all while [[TheHero Bob]] fights in the name of freedom. Despite the fact this could realistically lead to a scenario where some liberty is sacrificed for security or vice versa, no such scenario occurs and their ideologies never come into conflict.

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* '''Exaggerated''': [[TheLancer Alice]] fights for the protection of all while [[TheHero Bob]] fights in the name of freedom. Despite the fact Although this could realistically lead to a scenario where some liberty is sacrificed for security or vice versa, no such scenario occurs and their ideologies never come into conflict.



* '''Zig-Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and [[RightfulKingReturns putting the legitimate king back on the throne]]. Someone points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.

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* '''Zig-Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and [[RightfulKingReturns putting the legitimate king back on the throne]]. Someone Carol points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.



* '''Enforced''': "We need the audience to think Bob is in the right without his ideals alienating anyone. Have him say words like Freedom and Justice a lot."

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* '''Enforced''': "We need the audience to think Bob is in the right without his ideals alienating anyone. Have him say words like Freedom 'freedom' and Justice 'justice' a lot."



* '''Conversed''': "I'm not too convinced by Bob's 'freedom' speeches in this movie, considering his society had slaveowning and didn't let women have the vote even before Emperor Evulz invaded."

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* '''Conversed''': "I'm not too convinced by Bob's 'freedom' speeches in this movie, considering his society had slaveowning allowed slavery and didn't let women have the vote even before Emperor Evulz invaded."



* '''Played for Laughs''': Bob insists he fights for freedom and justice, but he gives laughably incorrect definitions of these terms when pressed.
* '''Played for Drama''': Bob insists he fights for freedom and justice, but his allies have mutually conflicting views of what those terms mean. Not surprisingly, they [[WeAreStrugglingTogether start fighting each other more than Evulz' army]] before long.



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* '''Double Subverted''': ...[[AndThenWhat When asked what kind of democracy]], Bob doesn't have a good answer.

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* '''Double Subverted''': ...Subverted''':
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[[AndThenWhat When asked what kind of democracy]], Bob doesn't have a good answer.answer.
** Bob clearly doesn't know what "democracy" actually means.



* '''Lampshaded''': "There he goes talking about freedom again. Freedom this and freedom that. Sometimes I don't think he actually knows what that word needs."

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* '''Lampshaded''': '''Lampshaded''':
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"There he goes talking about freedom again. Freedom this and freedom that. Sometimes I don't think he actually knows what that word needs.""
** "Um, does anyway say they're fighting for ''unfreedom?''"

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* '''Straight''': In a RousingSpeech, Bob tells his men that what separates them from their enemies is that they believe in freedom and justice.

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* '''Straight''': In a RousingSpeech, Bob tells his men supporters that what separates them from their enemies is that they believe in freedom and justice.



* '''Inverted''': When asked why Emperor Evulz needs to be overthrown, Bob hands Alice his extensively written manifesto about the ideal government for Troperia.
* '''Subverted''': [[RebelliousRebel When someone asks Bob what he means by "freedom",]] he promptly responds that the dictatorship of the kingdom should be replaced with a democracy...

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* '''Inverted''': When asked why [[EvilOverlord Emperor Evulz needs to Evulz]] must be overthrown, Bob hands Alice his extensively written manifesto about the ideal government for Troperia.
* '''Subverted''': [[RebelliousRebel When someone someone]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asks Bob what he means by "freedom",]] "freedom"]], he promptly responds that the dictatorship of the kingdom should be replaced with a democracy...



* '''Parodied''': One of the RedShirts [[RebelliousRebel continually interrupts]] Bob's RousingSpeech and [[AndThenWhat asks him to further elaborate on his ideals]]. Each time, Bob attempts to do so [[CringeComedy with a lot of awkward pauses]] and [[AsideGlance aside glances]] to double check with [[TheSmartGuy Charlie]] if his points are correct.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and restoring the legitimate king to the throne. Someone points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.

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* '''Parodied''': One of the RedShirts [[RebelliousRebel continually interrupts]] Bob's RousingSpeech and [[AndThenWhat asks him to further elaborate further on his ideals]]. Each time, Bob attempts to do so [[CringeComedy with a lot of awkward pauses]] and [[AsideGlance aside glances]] to double check with [[TheSmartGuy Charlie]] if his points are correct.
* '''Zig Zagged''': '''Zig-Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and restoring [[RightfulKingReturns putting the legitimate king to back on the throne.throne]]. Someone points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.



* '''Discussed''': "So what type of freedom are we fighting for exactly? Democracy? Anarchy? Monarchy with a less stringent dress code?"

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* '''Discussed''': "So "So, what type of freedom are we fighting for for, exactly? Democracy? Anarchy? Monarchy with a less stringent dress code?"



* '''Deconstructed''': Afraid of being seen as spouting empty words, [[HonorBeforeReason Bob commits himself so soundly to the concept of freedom]] that it causes him to do some very nasty things such as [[BombThrowingAnarchist attacking benevolent government services that aid the common folk.]]
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is afraid that his words and cause are hollow, but rather than compensate by following his goals to a fault, he listens to his allies and tries to best blend their varying viewpoints to find the sanest and best way to promote the cause of freedom.

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* '''Deconstructed''': Afraid of being seen as spouting empty words, [[HonorBeforeReason Bob commits himself so soundly to the concept of freedom]] that it causes him to do some very nasty things such as [[BombThrowingAnarchist attacking benevolent government services that aid the common folk.]]
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is afraid worries that his words and cause are hollow, but rather than compensate by following his goals to a fault, he listens to his allies and tries to best blend their varying viewpoints to find the sanest and best way to promote the cause of freedom.freedom.
* '''Implied''': Two MauveShirt[=s=] talk about Bob's speech. They agree that it "sounded good but can't have meant much."



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* '''Defied''': [[HannibalLecture Emperor Evulz tries to shake Bob's morale]] by remarking how his commitment to freedom is nothing but hollow words. Bob gives an eloquent retort explaining his picture of freedom once Emperor Evulz is out of the picture.

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* '''Defied''': [[HannibalLecture [[BreakingSpeech Emperor Evulz tries to shake Bob's morale]] by remarking how his commitment to freedom is nothing but hollow words. Bob gives an eloquent retort explaining his picture of freedom once Emperor Evulz is out of the picture.



* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is still afraid that his words and cause are hollow, but rather than compensate by following his goals to a fault, he listens to his allies and tries to best blend their varying viewpoints to find the sanest and best way to promote the cause of freedom.

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* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is still afraid that his words and cause are hollow, but rather than compensate by following his goals to a fault, he listens to his allies and tries to best blend their varying viewpoints to find the sanest and best way to promote the cause of freedom.
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* '''Conversed''': ???

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* '''Conversed''': ???"I'm not too convinced by Bob's 'freedom' speeches in this movie, considering his society had slaveowning and didn't let women have the vote even before Emperor Evulz invaded."
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'''Basic Trope''': Words with positive connotation are thrown around with giving any thought to their meaning.

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'''Basic Trope''': Words with positive connotation are thrown around with without giving any thought to their meaning.
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'''Basic Trope''': Words with positive connotation are thrown around with giving any thought to their meaning.
* '''Straight''': In a RousingSpeech, Bob tells his men that what separates them from their enemies is that they believe in freedom and justice.
* '''Exaggerated''': [[TheLancer Alice]] fights for the protection of all while [[TheHero Bob]] fights in the name of freedom. Despite the fact this could realistically lead to a scenario where some liberty is sacrificed for security or vice versa, no such scenario occurs and their ideologies never come into conflict.
* '''Downplayed''': When Bob's homeland is invaded, he unites an army under the banner of fighting for freedom. While he never defines that freedom, most readers infer that it means kicking out the invaders.
* '''Justified''': The purpose of Bob's rousing speech was to raise morale amongst his loyal soldiers before a battle, not to sway people to his cause with reason. Someone else can outline the new government after the battle has been won.
* '''Inverted''': When asked why Emperor Evulz needs to be overthrown, Bob hands Alice his extensively written manifesto about the ideal government for Troperia.
* '''Subverted''': [[RebelliousRebel When someone asks Bob what he means by "freedom",]] he promptly responds that the dictatorship of the kingdom should be replaced with a democracy...
* '''Double Subverted''': ...[[AndThenWhat When asked what kind of democracy]], Bob doesn't have a good answer.
* '''Parodied''': One of the RedShirts [[RebelliousRebel continually interrupts]] Bob's RousingSpeech and [[AndThenWhat asks him to further elaborate on his ideals]]. Each time, Bob attempts to do so [[CringeComedy with a lot of awkward pauses]] and [[AsideGlance aside glances]] to double check with [[TheSmartGuy Charlie]] if his points are correct.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Bob claims to be a champion fighting in the name of freedom, but in practice he feels more like he opposes whatever Emperor Evulz is doing at the time. [[ArmorPiercingQuestion When finally confronted about his commitment to the ideal freedom]], Bob says that entails overthrowing Emperor Evulz and restoring the legitimate king to the throne. Someone points out that while restoring TheGoodKing would probably be the best for the kingdom and its inhabitants, fighting to replace a monarch with a second monarch doesn't really exemplify freedom.
* '''Averted''': If any of the characters fight for a philosophical cause, their words and actions back up those ideals.
* '''Enforced''': "We need the audience to think Bob is in the right without his ideals alienating anyone. Have him say words like Freedom and Justice a lot."
* '''Lampshaded''': "There he goes talking about freedom again. Freedom this and freedom that. Sometimes I don't think he actually knows what that word needs."
* '''Invoked''': Bob deliberately chooses vague notion of freedom because it will earn him the most supporters.
* '''Exploited''': Emperor Evulz claims to unite the kingdom under his rule in the name of justice. Few people oppose him because they don't want to be seen as an enemy of justice.
* '''Defied''': [[HannibalLecture Emperor Evulz tries to shake Bob's morale]] by remarking how his commitment to freedom is nothing but hollow words. Bob gives an eloquent retort explaining his picture of freedom once Emperor Evulz is out of the picture.
* '''Discussed''': "So what type of freedom are we fighting for exactly? Democracy? Anarchy? Monarchy with a less stringent dress code?"
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* '''Deconstructed''': Afraid of being seen as spouting empty words, [[HonorBeforeReason Bob commits himself so soundly to the concept of freedom]] that it causes him to do some very nasty things such as [[BombThrowingAnarchist attacking benevolent government services that aid the common folk.]]
* '''Reconstructed''': Bob is still afraid that his words and cause are hollow, but rather than compensate by following his goals to a fault, he listens to his allies and tries to best blend their varying viewpoints to find the sanest and best way to promote the cause of freedom.
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