History NightmareFuel / WonderWoman2017

* Diana's brief rampage when [[spoiler: Steve Trevor dies]] is slightly reminiscent of ''[[Film/ManOfSteel Faora's]]''. Just think: the sweet, noble, formerly innocent and naive Diana was caused by grief and rage to take actions similar to those of a cold, ruthless SocialDarwinist BloodKnight.

* Considering that St. Patrick knew Steven when he returned from stealing Dr. Maru's notebook and [[spoiler: as Ares helped Maru finish the poison, its possible that he's giving everyone the opportunity to stockpile the poison during the armistice. Doing this will wipe out humanity in the next big war and return Earth to paradise since he knew the the humans are developing the first steps toward nuclear weapons.]]

--> '''Charlie:''' (looking at the battle through his scope in horror) "Oh my god! What are we going to do?!"
--> '''Steve:''' "There’s not much we ''can'' do if that’s who I think it is."

--> '''Charlie:''' "Oh my god! What are we going to do?!"

** But wait, it gets worse. Ares says [[spoiler:that he just gave humans the ideas and they choose to use them to kill, and that he posed as someone arguing for peace because it would just lead to more war.]] Well, what happened after World War I? The Russian civil war continued until 1922, then the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar, then UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, another civil war in China, the UsefulNotes/ColdWar and all its proxy conflicts, the spread of [[WeaponOfMassDestruction nuclear and chemical weapons]], the Gulf War and eventually UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror. But by the end of the film, [[spoiler:Ares is dead.]] That "century of horrors" Diana referred to in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' happened [[spoiler:without Ares' influence. Humans did that - ''we'' did that - all by themselves.]] Diana herself accepts that the VillainHasAPoint, but even though she obviously triumphs in the end, in some ways TheBadGuyWins as well.

--> '''Steve:''' "There’s not much we ''can'' do if that’s who I think it is.."

--> '''Steve:''' "There’s not much we can do if that’s who I think it is.."

** [[spoiler: Ares then shows off his sheer ''power'', and it becomes clear humanity is lucky he wants to have humanity destroy themselves rather than just wipe them out by himself. Ares punches in the same weight class as Wonder Woman (who recall, is able to trade punches with ''Doomsday''), can manipulate the weather at will, and literally tears the entire area out apart with his mind to throw at Diana, all without showing any sign of effort. A ''gigantic'' point blank explosion doesn't even scratch him. Ares isn't just ''called'' a god, he's ''literally'' a god]]. A few other movies asked what would happen if someone in Superman's weight class was against humanity, [[spoiler: Ares]] does a good job of ''showing'' it.

[[caption-width-right:350:[[Music/NewEdition That girl is poison...]]]]

* [[spoiler: Ares's first on-screen appearance as a god]]. He appears out of thin air, completely at ease, and speaks to Diana from behind a window. Diana walks around the window to face him, and suddenly he's on the OTHER side of the window. Up to this point, there has been a legitimate question over whether or not [[spoiler: Ares]] is real, with the audience generally believing Diana that he is, but in this brief moment, a sliver a doubt is introduced, as he appears like a figment of her imagination. It's a very simple effect, but in a matter of seconds he becomes more disturbing than the DCEU's versions of the Joker and Lex Luthor.
** The tone he takes with Diana is remarkably disturbing as well. He seems at once regretful and even empathetic to Diana's feelings. He doesn't seem to be taking any pleasure in completely shattering Diana's worldview and self-worth. He's [[spoiler: the personification of War]] itself and he sounds like an older brother trying to gently let his little sister know that there is no Santa Claus. Which is an apt comparison considering [[spoiler:he is her older half-sibling...]]

* Just the fact that at the end of day, World War I couldn't simply be stopped by taking out the people at the top. As it was in the real world, Steve sums it up best in that the whole affair was just one, big, terrible mess. Not even Wonder Woman could stop it herself, because [[spoiler:as Ares would later say]], humans did this of their own will.
** World War II would soon follow and prove to be a far more bloodier and destructive conflict, with the Axis atrocities testing the limits of human depravity, and its aftermath would put [[UsefulNotes/ColdWar the world on the brink of its destruction for a long period of time]]. The worst part? [[spoiler:Ares wouldn't be alive to see it or influence humans in any way. Humans developed nuclear weapons on their own, he did not need to whisper or teach them how to create it]]. Its no wonder this was a CynicismCatalyst for Diana.

** The tone he takes with Diana is remarkably disturbing as well. He seems at once regretful and even empathetic to Diana's feelings. He doesn't seem to be taking any pleasure in completely shattering Diana's worldview and self-worth. He's [[spoiler: the personification of War]] itself and he sounds like an older brother trying to gently let his little sister know that there is no Santa Clause. Which is an apt comparison considering [[spoiler:he is her older half-sibling...]]

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige, something that the Nazis would use to their advantage in their campaigns. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government, and in UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff viciously attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory, [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII which eventually happened]]. Although Ludendorff isolated himself from nationalist parties due to his crazy conspiracy theories, his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige, something that the Nazis would use to their advantage in their campaigns. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff viciously attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory, [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII which eventually happened]]. Although Ludendorff isolated himself from nationalist parties due to his crazy conspiracy theories, his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige, something that the Nazis would use to their advantage in their campaigns. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff viciously attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory, [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII which eventually happened]]. Altough Ludendorff isolated himself from nationalist parties due to his crazy conspiracy theories, his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind.

** The tone he takes with Diana is remarkably disturbing as well. He seems at once regretful and even empathetic to Diana's feelings. He doesn't seem to be taking any pleasure in completely shattering Diana's worldview and self-worth. He's [[spoiler: the personification of War]] itself and he sounds like an older brother trying to gently let his little sister know that there is no Santa Clause.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige, something that the Nazis would use to their advantage in their campaigns. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff viciously attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory. Although Ludendorff was kicked out of the Nazi party for his ridiculous conspiracy theories[[note]] Ludendorff suggested the Freemasons were bigger threats than German Jews, which went against the Nazis' rabid anti-Semitism [[/note]], his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind. In a world filled with alien invaders, monster clowns, crazed witches and war gods, it's someone from our own universe who has done the most damage.

* [[spoiler: Ares's first on-screen appearance as a god]]. He appears out of thin air, completely at ease, and speaks to Diana from behind a window. Diana walks around the window to face him, and suddenly he's on the OTHER side of the window. Up to this point, there has been a legitimate question over whether or not Ares is real, with the audience generally believing Diana that he is, but in this brief moment, a sliver a doubt is introduced, as he appears like a figment of her imagination. It's a very simple effect, but in a matter of seconds he becomes more disturbing than the DCEU's versions of the Joker and Lex Luthor.
** The tone he takes with Diana is remarkably disturbing as well. He seems at once regretful and even empathetic to Diana's feelings. He doesn't seem to be taking any pleasure in completely shattering Diana's worldview and self-worth. He's the personification of War itself and he sounds like an older brother trying to gently let his little sister know that there is no Santa Clause.

* [[spoiler: Ares's first on-screen appearance as a god]]. He appears out of thin air, completely at ease, and speaks to Diana from behind a window. Diana walks around the window to face him, and suddenly he's on the OTHER side of the window. It's a very simple effect, but in a matter of seconds he becomes more disturbing than the DCEU's versions of the Joker and Lex Luthor.

** But wait, it gets worse. Ares says [[spoiler:that he just gave humans the ideas and they choose to use them to kill, and that he posed as someone arguing for peace because it would just lead to more war.]] Well, what happened after World War I? The Russian civil war which continued until 1922, then the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar, then UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, another civil war in China, the UsefulNotes/ColdWar and all its proxy conflicts, the spread of [[WeaponOfMassDestruction nuclear and chemical weapons]], the Gulf War and eventually UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror. But by the end of the film, [[spoiler:Ares is dead.]] That "century of horrors" Diana referred to in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' happened [[spoiler:without Ares' influence. Humans did that - ''we'' did that - all by themselves.]] Diana herself accepts that the VillainHasAPoint, but even though she obviously triumphs in the end, in some ways TheBadGuyWins as well.

** But wait, it gets worse. Ares says [[spoiler:that he just gave humans the ideas and they choose to use them to kill, and that he posed as someone arguing for peace because it would just lead to more war.]] Well, what happened after World War I? The UsefulNotes/RussianCivilWar which continued until 1922, then the UsefulNotes/SpanishCivilWar, then UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, another civil war in China, the UsefulNotes/ColdWar and all its proxy conflicts, the spread of [[WeaponOfMassDestruction nuclear and chemical weapons]], the Gulf War and eventually UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror. But by the end of the film, [[spoiler:Ares is dead.]] That "century of horrors" Diana referred to in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' happened [[spoiler:without Ares' influence. Humans did that - ''we'' did that - all by themselves.]] Diana herself accepts that the VillainHasAPoint, but even though she obviously triumphs in the end, in some ways TheBadGuyWins as well.

** But wait, it gets worse. Ares says [[spoiler:that he just gave humans the ideas and they choose to use them to kill, and that he posed as someone arguing for peace because it would just lead to more war.]] Well, what happened after World War I? ''Two'' bloody civil wars in Russia and Spain, then UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, another civil war in China, the UsefulNotes/ColdWar and all its proxy conflicts, the spread of [[WeaponOfMassDestruction nuclear and chemical weapons]], the Gulf War and eventually UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror. But by the end of the film, [[spoiler:Ares is dead.]] That "century of horrors" Diana referred to in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' happened [[spoiler:without Ares' influence. Humans did that - ''we'' did that - all by themselves.]] Diana herself accepts that the VillainHasAPoint, but even though she obviously triumphs in the end, in some ways TheBadGuyWins as well.

* Ares's first on-screen appearance as a god. He appears out of thin air, completely at ease, and speaks to Diana from behind a window. Diana walks around the window to face him, and suddenly he's on the OTHER side of the window. It's a very simple effect, but in a matter of seconds he becomes more disturbing than the DCEU's versions of the Joker and Lex Luthor.
** Ares then shows off his sheer ''power'', and it becomes clear humanity is lucky he wants to have humanity destroy themselves rather than just wipe them out by himself. Ares punches in the same weight class as Wonder Woman (who recall, is able to trade punches with ''Doomsday''), can manipulate the weather at will, and literally tears the entire area out apart with his mind to throw at Diana, all without showing any sign of effort. A ''gigantic'' point blank explosion doesn't even scratch him. Ares isn't just ''called'' a god, he's ''literally'' a god. A few other movies asked what would happen if someone in Superman's weight class was against humanity, Ares does a good job of ''showing'' it.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff viciously attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory. Although Ludendorff was kicked out of the Nazi party for his ridiculous conspiracy theories[[note]] Ludendorff suggested the Freemasons were bigger threats than German Jews, which went against the Nazis' rabid anti-Semitism [[/note]], his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind. In a world filled with alien invaders, monster clowns, crazed witches and war gods, it's someone from our own universe who has done the most damage.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff viciously attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory. Although Ludendorff was kicked out of the Nazi party for his ridiculous conspiracy theories[[note]] Ludendorff suggested the Freemasons were bigger threats than German Jews [[/note]], his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind. In a world filled with alien invaders, monster clowns, crazed witches and war gods, it's someone from our own universe who has done the most damage.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended, with Germany an international outcast. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory. Although Ludendorff was kicked out of the Nazi party for his ridiculous conspiracy theories[[note]] Ludendorff suggested the Freemasons were bigger threats than German Jews [[/note]], his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind. In a world filled with alien invaders, monster clowns, crazed witches and war gods, it's someone from our own universe who has done the most damage.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended and Germany was a world pariah. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory. Although Ludendorff was kicked out of the Nazi party for his ridiculous conspiracy theories[[note]] Ludendorff suggested the Freemasons were bigger threats than German Jews [[/note]], his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind. In a world filled with alien invaders, monster clowns, crazed witches and war gods, it's someone from our own universe who has done the most damage.

** Keep in mind that General Ludendorff isn't a comic book supervillain. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Ludendorff He was a real person]], and perhaps the worst he ever did happened after the war ended and Germany was a world pariah. As a nationalist leader, he promoted the "stab-in-the-back" myth, that corrupt politicians, Bolsheviks and Jews conspired to create the armistice, and people believed it due to Ludendorff's prestige. He took part in the Kapp Putsch of 1920, a failed attempt to destabilize the left-wing Weimar government. He even guided Hitler into his role as the most hated and horrifying man in history, participating in Hitler's failed coup of 1923. A Social Darwinist and believing that a military dictatorship was an ideal government for the world, Ludendorff attacked his old friend, Paul von Hindenburg, when Hindenburg became president. Ludendorff even wanted Germany to go to war against all of Europe to regain its former glory. Although Ludendorff was kicked out of the Nazi party for his ridiculous conspiracy theories [note] Ludendorff suggested the Freemasons were bigger threats than German Jews [/note], his influence lingered in Hitler's twisted mind. In a world filled with alien invaders, monster clowns, crazed witches and war gods, it's someone from our own universe who has done the most damage.