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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor Creator/DavidKrumholtz is an Orthodox Jew, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.

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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor Creator/DavidKrumholtz is an Orthodox Jew, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.up to eleven.
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*** And as evidenced by his ex-wife and her new husband's reactions, everyone watching this transformation happen from the outside looking in thought he was [[SanitySlippage losing his grip on reality]] and somewhat understandably started avoiding him because of it. It very nearly destroyed his family life and landed him in prison. Kind of double-edged nightmare fuel both from his own perspective and that of the mother of his child, [[AdultFear who has to share custody of her son with a guy who appears to be going insane.]]

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*** And as evidenced by his ex-wife and her new husband's reactions, everyone watching this transformation happen from the outside looking in thought he was [[SanitySlippage losing his grip on reality]] and somewhat understandably started avoiding him because of it. It very nearly destroyed his family life and landed him in prison. Kind of double-edged nightmare fuel both from his own perspective and that of the mother of his child, [[AdultFear who has to share custody of her son with a guy who appears to be going insane.]]
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** ''Then'' he [[WouldHarmAChild threatens to do the same to ''her''!]]
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* [[NotSoHarmlessVillain Jack Frost]] freezes Lucy's parents ''right in front of her''!

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* In the third film, [[NotSoHarmlessVillain Jack Frost]] freezes Lucy's parents ''right in front of her''!
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** [[NotSoHarmlessVillain Jack Frost]] freezes Lucy's parents ''right in front of her''!

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** * [[NotSoHarmlessVillain Jack Frost]] freezes Lucy's parents ''right in front of her''!
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** [[NotSoHarmlessVillain Jack Frost]] freezes Lucy's parents ''right in front of her''!
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** That being said, the Escape Clause itself is either a plot hole or a retcon when you consider that, in the first film, Scott had no interest in being Santa, yet everything about him changed, and not just his rapid-growing hair - his appetite increased, his personality changed, his entire belief structure at work turned upside-down, he even attains a level of clairvoyance (knowing who's naughty and nice no matter where they are, even if he's never met them)...for a contract with a way out, it sure does everything in it's power to get you to stay.

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** That being said, the Escape Clause itself is either a plot hole or a retcon when you consider that, in the first film, Scott had no interest in being Santa, yet everything about him changed, and not just his rapid-growing hair - his appetite increased, his personality changed, his entire belief structure at work turned upside-down, he even attains a level of clairvoyance (knowing who's naughty and nice no matter where they are, even if he's never met them)...for a contract with a way out, it sure does everything in it's its power to get you to stay.
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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor David Krumholtz is an Orthodox Jew, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.

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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor David Krumholtz Creator/DavidKrumholtz is an Orthodox Jew, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.
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** By the time Scott and Curtis get back to the North Pole it looks like ''all'' of the elves have been rounded up and locked away.

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** By the time Scott and Curtis get back to the North Pole it looks like ''all'' of the elves have been rounded up and locked away.away.
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*** And as evidenced by his ex-wife and her new husband's reactions, everyone watching this transformation happen from the outside looking in thought he was [[SanitySlippage going insane]] and [[AdultFear somewhat understandably]] started avoiding him because of it. It very nearly destroyed his family life and landed him in prison.

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*** And as evidenced by his ex-wife and her new husband's reactions, everyone watching this transformation happen from the outside looking in thought he was [[SanitySlippage going insane]] losing his grip on reality]] and [[AdultFear somewhat understandably]] understandably started avoiding him because of it. It very nearly destroyed his family life and landed him in prison. Kind of double-edged nightmare fuel both from his own perspective and that of the mother of his child, [[AdultFear who has to share custody of her son with a guy who appears to be going insane.]]
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*** And as evidenced by his ex-wife and her new husband's reactions, everyone watching this transformation happen from the outside looking in thought he was [[SanitySlippage going insane]] and [[AdultFear somewhat understandably]] started avoiding him because of it. It very nearly destroyed his family life and landed him in prison.
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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor David Krumholtz is Orthodox Jewish, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.

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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor David Krumholtz is an Orthodox Jewish, Jew, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.
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*** Consider, too, that Bernard's actor David Krumholtz is Orthodox Jewish, and that Toy Santa is dressed like Hitler, and the allusion is creepified UpToEleven.
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** The even more disturbing fact is how the alleged "original" Santa got replaced in the first place. As shown when the "original" Santa Claus slips and falls off the roof, the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace (excluding clothes). Death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, making very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' dealt with this regularly.

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** The even more disturbing fact is how the alleged "original" What happens when Santa got replaced in the first place. is no longer able to fulfill his function? As shown when the "original" Santa Claus slips and falls off the roof, the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace (excluding clothes). Death clothes), and we are ''never'' given the slightest explanation of where they go, if they return to their life before they became Santa Claus, or anything. The death of Scott's immediate predecessor is not confirmed but is certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The ''eerie'' is the elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, making very little mention, and shows showing barely any reaction to the incident incident, acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. Santa, or even acknowledge that he existed. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. roof or any other way Santa might be incapacitated. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. ignore or sidestep the question. It also leaves to question if there were how many more people who've took have been forced to take up the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' dealt with this regularly.
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** The even more disturbing fact is how the alleged "original" Santa got replaced in the first place. As shown when the "original" Santa Clause slips and falls off the roof, the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace (excluding clothes). Death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, making very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' dealt with this regularly.

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** The even more disturbing fact is how the alleged "original" Santa got replaced in the first place. As shown when the "original" Santa Clause Claus slips and falls off the roof, the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace (excluding clothes). Death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, making very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' dealt with this regularly.
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** That being said, the Escape Clause itself is either a plot hole or a retcon when you consider that, in the first film, Scott had no interest in being Santa, yet everything about him changed, and not just his rapid-growing hair - his appetite increased, his personality changed, his entire belief structure at work turned upside-down, he even attains a level of clairvoyance (knowing who's naughty and nice no matter where they are, even if he's never met them)...for a contract with a way out, it sure does everything in it's power to get you to stay.
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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon, though he fiercely objects. And he ends up changing both physically and mentally just to fill that role.

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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon, though he fiercely objects. And he ends up changing both physically and mentally just to fill that role. Though it's somewhat made up by the third film revealing that there's an escape clause that he can use to go back to his old life if he really does not want to be Santa.

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** Toy Santa is ''[[PuttingOnTheReich dressed like a Nazi]]''
** The giant toy soldiers: dense creatures much larger than the average elf made of hard metal; nothing makes a dent in them. Plus, since they are essentially ''possessed toys'' they have [[CreepyDoll dull lifeless eyes]] and what appear in context to be {{Slasher Smile}}s.
** Toy Santa is ''gleeful'' that the giant toy soldiers are incapable of human emotion.
** The fast-produced lumps of coal falling down the conveyor belt over the elves' hard work just show how thoroughly they've taken over.
** Then there's the fact that when the soldiers are introduced, the absolute largest and most experienced employee reveals their boss has been replaced by an imposter and is then ''overpowered'' by them. To put it in perspective, imagine being a nerdy freshman seeing the varsity quarterback get beaten into submission by a team of impenetrable soulless vessels at the hands of a Nazi impersonating your beloved teacher. If that's what they can do to him...

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** Toy Santa is ''[[PuttingOnTheReich dressed like a Nazi]]''
Nazi]]'' and announces out of left field that there will be no more toys made, stirring up a panic.
** The giant toy soldiers: dense creatures much larger than all of the average elf elves made of hard metal; nothing makes a dent in them. Plus, since they are essentially ''possessed toys'' they have [[CreepyDoll dull lifeless eyes]] and what appear in context to be {{Slasher Smile}}s.
Smile}}s. As they come in Bernard tells the other elves to stay where they are and not be afraid--what adults tell children when they are in ''very real danger''.
** Toy Santa apparently built them on a whim and is ''gleeful'' that the giant toy soldiers are incapable of human emotion.
** The fast-produced lumps of coal falling down the conveyor belt over the elves' hard work just show how thoroughly they've taken over.
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Then there's the fact that when Bernard, the soldiers are introduced, the absolute largest biggest and most experienced employee elf, reveals their boss has been replaced by an imposter and is then ''overpowered'' by them.the soldiers. To put it in perspective, imagine being a nerdy freshman seeing the varsity quarterback get beaten into submission by a team of impenetrable soulless vessels at the hands of a Nazi impersonating your beloved teacher. If that's what they can do to him...''him'' imagine what they could do to you. And to make matters worse, [[ButForMeItWasTuesday toy Santa doesn't even treat this as a major event at all]].
** This is immediately followed by the fast-produced lumps of coal falling down the conveyor belt over the elves' hard work, just to show how thoroughly the toy Santa has taken over.
** All of the above happens rapid-fire in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hw40_QHb2k a scene that lasts under 2 and a half minutes]].
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** The even more disturbing fact is how the alleged "original" Santa got replaced in the first place. As shown when the "original" Santa Clause slips and falls off the roof, the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace (excluding clothes). Death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, making very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' dealt with this regularly.

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** The even more disturbing fact is how the alleged "original" Santa got replaced in the first place. As shown when the "original" Santa Clause slips and falls off the roof, the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace (excluding clothes). Death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, making very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' dealt with this regularly.regularly.
* The entire TyrantTakesTheHelm portion in the second movie. So much here, let's take it point by point:
** Toy Santa is ''[[PuttingOnTheReich dressed like a Nazi]]''
** The giant toy soldiers: dense creatures much larger than the average elf made of hard metal; nothing makes a dent in them. Plus, since they are essentially ''possessed toys'' they have [[CreepyDoll dull lifeless eyes]] and what appear in context to be {{Slasher Smile}}s.
** Toy Santa is ''gleeful'' that the giant toy soldiers are incapable of human emotion.
** The fast-produced lumps of coal falling down the conveyor belt over the elves' hard work just show how thoroughly they've taken over.
** Then there's the fact that when the soldiers are introduced, the absolute largest and most experienced employee reveals their boss has been replaced by an imposter and is then ''overpowered'' by them. To put it in perspective, imagine being a nerdy freshman seeing the varsity quarterback get beaten into submission by a team of impenetrable soulless vessels at the hands of a Nazi impersonating your beloved teacher. If that's what they can do to him...
** By the time Scott and Curtis get back to the North Pole it looks like ''all'' of the elves have been rounded up and locked away.
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** The even more disturbing fact is how he ended up replacing the alleged "original" Santa before him in the first place. As it is shown as the "original" Santa Clause slips and falls off the roof, he ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace. The death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show no concern for the person prior, makes very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' done this regularly.

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** The even more disturbing fact is how he ended up replacing the alleged "original" Santa before him got replaced in the first place. As it is shown as when the "original" Santa Clause slips and falls off the roof, he the guy ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace. The death trace (excluding clothes). Death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show little to no concern for the person prior, makes making very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting only as if it's simply a contract and nothing more.more. They don't even show any sign of emoting from the time they've spent with the "original" Santa. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' done dealt with this regularly.
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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon, though he fiercely objects. And he ends up changing both physically and mentally just to fill that role.

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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon, though he fiercely objects. And he ends up changing both physically and mentally just to fill that role.role.
** The even more disturbing fact is how he ended up replacing the alleged "original" Santa before him in the first place. As it is shown as the "original" Santa Clause slips and falls off the roof, he ''eerily'' disappears nearly without a trace. The death is not confirmed but certainly implied. What makes it even more ''eerie''? The elves and reindeer themselves show no concern for the person prior, makes very little mention, and shows barely any reaction to the incident acting as if it's simply a contract and nothing more. One would wonder if this be the same reaction for Scott Calvin himself if he too ended falling off a roof. Even [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] when Scott asked the elves several times about it and they ''eerily'' ignore. It also leaves to question if there were more people who've took the role as Santa prior and just how many times has someone fallen off a roof or any similar incident, and has '''The Santa Clause''' done this regularly.
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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon.

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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon.icon, though he fiercely objects. And he ends up changing both physically and mentally just to fill that role.
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* Despite the fact that it's a family movie, the entire premise of ''The Santa Clause'' is about an ordinary man who is '''forced''' to give up everything he's ever worked for just to become a childhood icon.

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