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* Nagini's origins: Voldemort's pet snake was not born a beast, [[WasOnceAMan she was once a witch]], who became a [[BalefulPolymorph Maledictus]] due to a family curse. She [[AndIMustScream permanently transformed into a snake]]. Which makes her later actions with Voldemort even more disturbing considering she often [[IAmAHumanitarian eats the corpses of Voldemort's victims.]]

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* Nagini's origins: Voldemort's pet snake was not born a beast, beast: [[WasOnceAMan she was once a witch]], who became a [[BalefulPolymorph [[InvoluntaryShapeshifting Maledictus]] due to a family curse. She [[AndIMustScream permanently transformed into a snake]]. Which makes her later actions with Voldemort even more disturbing considering she often [[IAmAHumanitarian eats the corpses of Voldemort's victims.]]

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* It's only shown briefly, but Queenie ''enchanted her partner'' into marrying her despite his having refused - even if not because he didn't want to - and when he comes out of it, he isn't even aware of where he is or what he's been doing for the duration of the enchantment. He doesn't refrain from [[WhatTheHellHero calling her out]] on the FridgeHorror of the situation.

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* It's only shown briefly, but Queenie ''enchanted her partner'' into marrying her despite his having refused - even if not because he didn't want to - and when he comes out of it, he isn't even aware of where he is or what he's been doing for the duration of the enchantment. He doesn't refrain from [[WhatTheHellHero calling her out]] on the FridgeHorror of the situation.



** And the worst part? This is the kind of situation that resulted in Merope Gaunt giving birth to ''Lord Voldemort''.
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* [[AdultFear This movie also contains the type of nightmare fuel that has parallels in the real world:]] what if someone you loved joined a cult or a terrorist organization, especially because [[MoreThanMindControl they had been manipulated into thinking it was for a good cause,]] and there was nothing you could do to save them from themselves? The look on Jacob's face when Queenie joins Grindelwald says it all.

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* [[AdultFear This movie also contains the type of nightmare fuel that has parallels in the real world:]] world: what if someone you loved joined a cult or a terrorist organization, especially because [[MoreThanMindControl they had been manipulated into thinking it was for a good cause,]] and there was nothing you could do to save them from themselves? The look on Jacob's face when Queenie joins Grindelwald says it all.
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*** Although subtle, the very idea of Grindelwald and Dumbledore being capable of city-level spells clashing can also be pretty terrifying. One must remember that it's called the greatest duel of all time, so when the duel is most likely finally shown in the final film, just how much destruction would the two greatest wizards of all time be able to cause in an all-out duel if alone they were already capable of such high-level magic without even really seriously trying?

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* Grindelwald summons snakes that jump at his prison transport's coachman's face, with an EatTheCamera effect. Cue a scream.
** From the same scene: The first time the magical law enforcement officer escorting the (apparently) restrained Grindelwald to Europe [[OhCrap knows something is seriously wrong]] is when Grindelwald’s grinning face appears outside the window of the coach while it's flying hundreds of feet in the air.
** The entire carriage scene is creepy: There's a storm outside creating an eerie lighting and Grindelwald is just sitting in the carrige staring unnervingly at his captors. Then he smiles...

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* If you think Grindelwald is already terrifying enough during the first film, the second film makes his nightmarish global level threat as a Dark Lord that much more intimidating to comprehend. It was already enough that the first film all but displayed him as on another level compared to Voldemort in terms of magical ability, but the second film not only takes it up to eleven in terms of power level, but also shows the stark difference between Grindelwald and Voldemort and why he was far more suitable to be compared to Dumbledore than Voldemort, along with why Dumbledore described Grindelwald as being very nearly equal to himself and how Grindelwald was considered to rival Dumbledore in brilliance. His intelligence and charisma made Voldemort look average in comparison and reminds us exactly why Grindelwald was able to terrorize the ''whole world'' for 25 years while Voldemort's two wars mixed together amounted to only 14 years and also shows why Dumbledore had to be the one to defeat Grindelwald, rather than being willing to let Harry do the job with Voldemort.... Because he is just too powerful and too clever for anyone but him!
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Grindelwald summons snakes that jump at his prison transport's coachman's face, with an EatTheCamera effect. Cue a scream.scream.
*** From the same scene: The first time the magical law enforcement officer escorting the (apparently) restrained Grindelwald to Europe [[OhCrap knows something is seriously wrong]] is when Grindelwald’s grinning face appears outside the window of the coach while it's flying hundreds of feet in the air.
*** The entire carriage scene is creepy: There's a storm outside creating an eerie lighting and Grindelwald is just sitting in the carrige staring unnervingly at his captors. Then he smiles...
** During Grindelwald's speech at the rally, he shows his audience a terrifying vision of what's to come if wizards don't put Muggles in their rightful place: UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, which concludes with a ''nuclear explosion.'' Made even worse in that there is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of hundreds of people [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust being loaded onto trains.]] Not to mention that he also had been planning the Aurors to know of the rally and manipulated them to attack one of his followers so he could condemn them as extremists. Even Theseus despite having been advised by Dumbledore failed and he's a war hero! The whole thing generally displays just how immensely charismatic and cunning he was, promising a group of people a better future and manipulating his enemies and allies alike as if it was as natural as breathing. He just sounds so convincing, it's far too easy to momentarily forget how he can easily resort to being evil. There's probably a reason he's been called "Wizard Hitler" at times. And the worst part? [[VillainHasAPoint He's not lying.]] (At least about the coming war.) Looking at it that way, it's tough to argue against his position.
*** And who's most affected by this? Jacob Kowalski, veteran of what was supposed to be "[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI The War To End All Wars]]", seeing that even greater destruction is yet to come.
---> '''Jacob:''' Not another war!
** Shortly after the rally ends and his audience is gone, Grindelwald unleashes a firey Protego Diabolica spell so powerful, it would have ''destroyed all of Paris'' if not contained. This mirrors Dumbledore's earlier feat of casually conjuring mist through all of London, reminding us that Grindelwald was ''not'' any less powerful than Dumbledore, just a ''shade less skilled'', and he basically proves that he can easily rival the power of a nuclear bomb and conjure a magical nuke in his own. This gets even worse when one remembers that Grindelwald casts that curse with the ''Elder Wand''. Voldemort would later get a hold of that wand later in the Harry Potter series and proceeds to unleash powerful spells with it, but even then the wand was ''not'' displaying its full power there, as it will be later revealed that Harry is actually its owner, not Voldemort. Here, Grindelwald is the legitimate owner of the Elder Wand, and there's no limit to what it can do. That Protego Diabolica spell that could possibly doom Paris? Probably just a ''fraction'' of what Grindelwald is actually capable of with him being the Elder Wand's owner.

** From the same scene: The first time the magical law enforcement officer escorting the (apparently) restrained *** Even more impressive in that Grindelwald to Europe [[OhCrap knows something is seriously wrong]] is when Grindelwald’s grinning face appears outside ''just left the window of spell to run its course after he disapparated away!'' Nonetheless, it took ''five wizards'' employing their full power to negate the coach while it's flying hundreds of feet in spell despite the air.
** The entire carriage scene is creepy: There's a storm outside creating an eerie lighting and
fact Grindelwald is just sitting in the carrige staring unnervingly at his captors. Then he smiles...was no longer doing anything to fuel it!



* During Grindelwald's speech at the rally, he shows his audience a terrifying vision of what's to come if wizards don't put Muggles in their rightful place: UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, which concludes with a ''nuclear explosion.'' Made even worse in that there is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of hundreds of people [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust being loaded onto trains.]]
** Grindelwald in general. A very charismatic man, promising a group of people a better future. He just sounds so convincing, it's far too easy to momentarily forget how evil he is. There's probably a reason he's been called "Wizard Hitler" at times.
** And the worst part? [[VillainHasAPoint He's not lying.]] (At least about the coming war.) Looking at it that way, it's tough to argue against his position.
** And who's most affected by this? Jacob Kowalski, veteran of what was supposed to be "[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI The War To End All Wars]]", seeing that even greater destruction is yet to come.
---> '''Jacob:''' Not another war!
* Shortly after the rally ends and his audience is gone, Grindelwald unleashes a firey Protego Diabolica spell so powerful, it would have ''destroyed all of Paris'' if not contained. He basically unleashed a magical version of a nuclear bomb by himself. This gets even worse when one remembers that Grindelwald casts that curse with the ''Elder Wand''. Voldemort would later get a hold of that wand later in the Harry Potter series and proceeds to unleash powerful spells with it, but even then the wand was ''not'' displaying its full power there, as it will be later revealed that Harry is actually its owner, not Voldemort. Here, Grindelwald is the legitimate owner of the Elder Wand, and there's no limit to what it can do. That Protego Diabolica spell that could possibly doom Paris? Probably just a ''fraction'' of what Grindelwald is actually capable of with him being the Elder Wand's owner.
** Even more impressive in that Grindelwald ''just left the spell to run its course after he disapparated away!'' Nonetheless, it took ''five wizards'' employing their full power to negate the spell despite the fact Grindelwald was no longer doing anything to fuel it!
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** And the worst part? This is the kind of situation that resulted in Merope Gaunt giving birth to ''Lord Voldemort''.
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** Even more impressive in that Grindelwald ''just left the spell to run its course after he disapparated away!'' Nonetheless, it took ''five wizards'' employing their full power to negate the spell despite the fact Grindelwald was no longer doing anything to fuel it!
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Nothing about this entire paragraph is either nightmare or fuel. It's more of a WMG, considering that it's nothing more than a series of leaps of thought based on the fact that Bellatrix wasn't a wallflower.


** This, if unintentionally, might indicate that the relationship between Rodolphus Lestrange and Bellatrix (who is typically the first person thought of in the HP series when the name 'Lestrange' comes to mind, but is actually a Black by birth) is rather a subversion of what probably happened more typically in a Lestrange union. It appears that the Lestrange wives were at best submissive and at worst completely unaware of what was happening, and in that way, the men held all the power. Rodolphus, even to some degree in-universe, is known more as Bellatrix's husband despite Bellatrix taking his name, and doesn't seem to be that terribly bothered by playing second fiddle to Bella — or by the fact that Bellatrix is very obviously in a longstanding one-sided emotional affair with Voldemort (an affair that even turns physical and results in a daughter in the end). [[FanficFuel Opens up a world of possibilities about the nature of their marriage, which was heavily implied to be arranged.]] Rodolphus himself may not have wanted the marriage to Bellatrix. [[IncompatibleOrientation He might even be gay or asexual]], and his marriage to Bellatrix a 'respectable' front to a society (or more likely a family) that wouldn't have approved of that.
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** This, if unintentionally, might indicate that the relationship between Rodolphus Lestrange and Bellatrix (who is typically the first person thought of in the HP series when the name 'Lestrange' comes to mind, but is actually a Black by birth) is rather a subversion of what probably happened more typically in a Lestrange union. It appears that the Lestrange wives were at best submissive and at worst completely unaware of what was happening, and in that way, the men held all the power. Rodolphus, even to some degree in-universe, is known more as Bellatrix's husband despite Bellatrix taking his name, and doesn't seem to be that terribly bothered by playing second fiddle to Bella - or by the fact that Bellatrix is very obviously in a longstanding one-sided emotional affair with Voldemort (an affair that even turns physical and results in a daughter in the end). [[FanficFuel Opens up a world of possibilities about the nature of their marriage, which was heavily implied to be arranged.]] Rodolphus himself may not have wanted the marriage to Bellatrix. [[IncompatibleOrientation He might even be gay or asexual]], and his marriage to Bellatrix a 'respectable' front to a society (or more likely a family) thaht wouldn't have approved of that.

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** This, if unintentionally, might indicate that the relationship between Rodolphus Lestrange and Bellatrix (who is typically the first person thought of in the HP series when the name 'Lestrange' comes to mind, but is actually a Black by birth) is rather a subversion of what probably happened more typically in a Lestrange union. It appears that the Lestrange wives were at best submissive and at worst completely unaware of what was happening, and in that way, the men held all the power. Rodolphus, even to some degree in-universe, is known more as Bellatrix's husband despite Bellatrix taking his name, and doesn't seem to be that terribly bothered by playing second fiddle to Bella - or by the fact that Bellatrix is very obviously in a longstanding one-sided emotional affair with Voldemort (an affair that even turns physical and results in a daughter in the end). [[FanficFuel Opens up a world of possibilities about the nature of their marriage, which was heavily implied to be arranged.]] Rodolphus himself may not have wanted the marriage to Bellatrix. [[IncompatibleOrientation He might even be gay or asexual]], and his marriage to Bellatrix a 'respectable' front to a society (or more likely a family) thaht that wouldn't have approved of that.
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* The Black family are notoriously bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape''. Leta's father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape, by kidnapping a woman away from her family and putting her under the ''Imperius Curse,'' and the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist, only depicting the females of the family tree with beautiful flowers and reducing them to pretty set dressing. It's official; there's a family out there that (like the Gaunts) is ''worse'' than the Blacks.

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* The Black family are notoriously bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape''. Leta's father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape, by kidnapping a woman away from her family and putting her under the ''Imperius Curse,'' and the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist, only depicting the females of the family tree with beautiful flowers and reducing them to pretty set dressing. It's official; there's a another family out there that (like the Gaunts) is ''worse'' than the Blacks.
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* The Black family are notoriously bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape''. Leta's father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape, by kidnapping a woman away from her family and putting her under the ''Imperius Curse,'' and the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist, only depicting the females of the family tree with beautiful flowers and reducing them to pretty set dressing. It's official; there's a family out there that is ''worse'' than the Blacks.

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* The Black family are notoriously bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape''. Leta's father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape, by kidnapping a woman away from her family and putting her under the ''Imperius Curse,'' and the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist, only depicting the females of the family tree with beautiful flowers and reducing them to pretty set dressing. It's official; there's a family out there that (like the Gaunts) is ''worse'' than the Blacks.
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* The Black family are notoriously bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape''. Leta's father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape and the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist. It's official; there's a family out there that is ''worse'' than the Blacks.

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* The Black family are notoriously bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape''. Leta's father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape rape, by kidnapping a woman away from her family and putting her under the ''Imperius Curse,'' and the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist.sexist, only depicting the females of the family tree with beautiful flowers and reducing them to pretty set dressing. It's official; there's a family out there that is ''worse'' than the Blacks.
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* Nagini's origins: Voldemort's pet snake was not born a beast, [[WasOnceAMan she was once a witch]], who became a [[BalefulPolymorph Maledictus]] due to a family curse. She [[AndIMustScream permanently transformed into a snake]].

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* Nagini's origins: Voldemort's pet snake was not born a beast, [[WasOnceAMan she was once a witch]], who became a [[BalefulPolymorph Maledictus]] due to a family curse. She [[AndIMustScream permanently transformed into a snake]]. Which makes her later actions with Voldemort even more disturbing considering she often [[IAmAHumanitarian eats the corpses of Voldemort's victims.]]

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* It's only shown briefly, and Jacob is strangely unbothered by it, but Queenie ''enchanted her partner'' into marrying her despite his having refused - even if not because he didn't want to - and when he comes out of it, he isn't even aware of where he is or what he's been doing for the duration of the enchantment. They could have turned into the next Tom Riddle and Merope Gaunt if Jacob hadn't actually loved her.

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* It's only shown briefly, and Jacob is strangely unbothered by it, but Queenie ''enchanted her partner'' into marrying her despite his having refused - even if not because he didn't want to - and when he comes out of it, he isn't even aware of where he is or what he's been doing for the duration of the enchantment. They could have turned into He doesn't refrain from [[WhatTheHellHero calling her out]] on the next Tom Riddle and Merope Gaunt if Jacob hadn't actually loved her.FridgeHorror of the situation.
--->'''Jacob:''' Oh, ''Queenie,'' honey? I'm curious when you were gonna wake me up, after we had five kids?
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Not Fiendfyre - Grindelwald used the dark charm Protego Diabolica during the rally.


* Shortly after the rally ends and his audience is gone, Grindelwald unleashes a Fiendfyre spell so powerful, it would have ''destroyed all of Paris'' if not contained. He basically unleashed a magical version of a nuclear bomb by himself. This gets even worse when one remembers that Grindelwald casts that Fiendfyre spell with the ''Elder Wand''. Voldemort would later get a hold of that wand later in the Harry Potter series and proceeds to unleash powerful spells with it, but even then the wand was ''not'' displaying its full power there, as it will be later revealed that Harry is actually its owner, not Voldemort. Here, Grindelwald is the legitimate owner of the Elder Wand, and there's no limit to what it can do. That Fiendfyre spell that could possibly doom Paris? Probably just a ''fraction'' of what Grindelwald is actually capable of with him being the Elder Wand's owner.

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* Shortly after the rally ends and his audience is gone, Grindelwald unleashes a Fiendfyre firey Protego Diabolica spell so powerful, it would have ''destroyed all of Paris'' if not contained. He basically unleashed a magical version of a nuclear bomb by himself. This gets even worse when one remembers that Grindelwald casts that Fiendfyre spell curse with the ''Elder Wand''. Voldemort would later get a hold of that wand later in the Harry Potter series and proceeds to unleash powerful spells with it, but even then the wand was ''not'' displaying its full power there, as it will be later revealed that Harry is actually its owner, not Voldemort. Here, Grindelwald is the legitimate owner of the Elder Wand, and there's no limit to what it can do. That Fiendfyre Protego Diabolica spell that could possibly doom Paris? Probably just a ''fraction'' of what Grindelwald is actually capable of with him being the Elder Wand's owner.
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** This, if unintentionally, might indicate that the relationship between Rodolphus Lestrange and Bellatrix (who is typically the first person thought of in the HP series when the name 'Lestrange' comes to mind, but is actually a Black by birth) is rather a subversion of what probably happened more typically in a Lestrange union. It appears that the Lestrange wives were at best submissive and at worst completely unaware of what was happening, and in that way, the men held all the power. Rodolphus, even to some degree in-universe, is known more as Bellatrix's husband despite Bellatrix taking his name, and doesn't seem to be that terribly bothered by playing second fiddle to Bella - or by the fact that Bellatrix is very obviously in a longstanding one-sided emotional affair with Voldemort (an affair that even turns physical and results in a daughter in the end). [[FanficFuel Opens up a world of possibilities about the nature of their marriage, which was heavily implied to be arranged.]] Rodolphus himself may not have wanted the marriage to Bellatrix. [[IncompatibleOrientation He might even be gay or asexual]], and his marriage to Bellatrix a 'respectable' front to a society (or more likely a family) thaht wouldn't have approved of that.
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** It's even worse: they go around the house, killing one person at the door and one in one of the first rooms... then the last room turns out to be the nursery with a toddler boy in it. Grindelwald crouches, looks at the little boy... then stands up and gives a little nod to his henchwoman as he leaves, giving the go-ahead. The shot of the little boy is even eerily similar to flashback scenes from the early Harry Potter movies about the night Voldemort killed Lily and James and tried to kill Harry.
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** And who's most affected by this? Jacob Kowalski, veteran of what was supposed to be "[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI The War To End All Wars]]", seeing that even greater destruction is yet to come.
---> '''Jacob:''' Not another war!
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* The Black family are notoriously bloodist and bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape.'' Leta's father, however, does resort to rape and her family are ''incredibly'' sexist. Its official - there's officially a family out there that is ''worse'' than Sirius's.

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* The Black family are notoriously bloodist and bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape.'' ''rape''. Leta's father, father Corvus Lestrange, however, does resort to rape and her family the Lestranges are ''incredibly'' sexist. Its official - It's official; there's officially a family out there that is ''worse'' than Sirius's.the Blacks.
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* The Black family are notoriously bloodist and bigoted, but even ''they'' accept the women of the family (pictures on the tapestry and all!) and, as far as we know, have never actually resorted to ''rape.'' Leta's father, however, does resort to rape and her family are ''incredibly'' sexist. Its official - there's officially a family out there that is ''worse'' than Sirius's.
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** The entire carriage scene is creepy: There's a storm outside creating an eerie lighting and Grindelwald is just sitting in the carrige staring unnervingly at his captors. Then he smiles..

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** The entire carriage scene is creepy: There's a storm outside creating an eerie lighting and Grindelwald is just sitting in the carrige staring unnervingly at his captors. Then he smiles..smiles...
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** And the worst part? [[VillainHasAPoint He's not lying.]] (At least about the coming war.)

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** And the worst part? [[VillainHasAPoint He's not lying.]] (At least about the coming war.)) Looking at it that way, it's tough to argue against his position.
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*** Even worse? Grindelwald is basically portrayed as the wizarding world's equivalent of Hitler. [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Guess what the Nazis regularly did to their "enemies" who happened to own a nice bit of property...]]
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** And the worst part? [[VillainHasAPoint He's not lying.]] (At least about the coming war.)
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*** Even worse? Grindelwald is basically portrayed as the wizarding world's equivalent of Hitler. [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Guess what the Nazis regularly did to their "enemies" who happened to own a nice bit of property...]]
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** The entire carriage scene is creepy: There's a storm outside creating an eerie lighting and Grindelwald is just sitting in the carrige staring unnervingly at his captors. Then he smiles..

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