History NeverLiveItDown / TabletopGames

** The Paladin class as a whole got itself a reputation for being LawfulStupid thanks to the game's mechanics in ''D&D''. In early editions of the game, not only did a Paladin always have to be LawfulGood, but a Paladin could potentially lose their powers forever if they let any lawbreaking go unpunished. As a result, the class was the bane of many a Dungeon Master and other gaming tables for a long time, as the arguments around what to do in any given situation were complicated by this mechanic. [[CreatorBacklash Even the creators of the game got sick of it]], eventually releasing the ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' splatbook that detailed how to be Lawful Good without being Lawful Stupid. Finally, the mechanic was dropped altogether in Fifth Edition with a change in the ruleset. Starting with that edition, a Paladin no longer had to be LawfulGood -- instead, a Paladin could be any one of the nine {{Character Alignment}}s as long as it matched the alignment of the god they served. Not only did this greatly expand what a Paladin could be and how they could act, but it made much more sense and was received very well by the playerbase. In addition, most of the restrictions on a Paladin's oath and their behavior also got dropped; instead, individual subclasses (called "Oaths" for Paladins) had different ways of serving their god and different goals. Even so, Paladins gained a reputation as the class of the StopHavingFunGuys for the longest time, and the Lawful Stupid behavior is one that people still believe that Paladins are saddled with. In short, even after losing the mechanics that enforced them being Lawful Stupid, the Paladin class has yet to fully recover.[[invoked]]

* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'': In the early edition, it was implied (albeit never outright stated) that leaders of the Dark Elves [[DarthVaderClone Malekith the Witch-King]] and his mother [[VainSorceress Morathi]] might [[ParentalIncest be]] [[VillainousIncest lovers]]. Mind you, the only thing that was said was that there were rumours of such. The subtext was removed from later editions, but that Malekith fucked his mother is one of the things many fans choose to remember about him.

* Despite RuleZero technically protecting any given RPG from one bad rule ruining the bunch, splatbooks can have 200+ of great material and only be remembered for one bad rule or feature. It can get even worse if the feature isn't itself bad, but synergizes with another book's rules to create something unintended.

** The Paladin class as a whole got itself a reputation for being LawfulStupid thanks to the game's mechanics in ''D&D''. In early editions of the game, not only did a Paladin always have to be LawfulGood, but a Paladin could potentially lose their powers forever if they let any lawbreaking go unpunished. As a result, the class was the bane of many a Dungeon Master and other gaming tables for a long time, as the arguments around what to do in any given situation were complicated by this mechanic. [[CreatorBacklash Even the creators of the game got sick of it]], eventually releasing the ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' splatbook that detailed how to be Lawful Good without being Lawful Stupid. Finally, the mechanic was dropped altogether in Fifth Edition with a change in the ruleset. Starting with that edition, a Paladin no longer had to be LawfulGood -- instead, a Paladin could be any one of the nine {{Character Alignment}}s as long as it matched the alignment of the god they served. Not only did this greatly expand what a Paladin could be and how they could act, but it made much more sense and was received very well by the playerbase. In addition, most of the restrictions on a Paladin's oath and their behavior also got dropped; instead, individual subclasses (called "Oaths" for Paladins) had different ways of serving their god and different goals. Even so, Paladins gained a reputation as the class of the StopHavingFunGuys for the longest time -- even after losing the mechanics that enforced being Lawful Stupid, the Paladin class has yet to fully recover.[[invoked]]

** The Paladin class as a whole got itself a reputation for being LawfulStupid thanks to the game's mechanics in ''D&D''. In early editions of the game, not only did a Paladin always have to be LawfulGood, but a Paladin could potentially lose their powers forever if they let any lawbreaking go unpunished. As a result, the class was the bane of many a Dungeon Master and other gaming tables for a long time, as the arguments around what to do in any given situation were complicated by this mechanic. [[CreatorBacklash Even the creators of the game got sick of it]], eventually releasing the ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' splatbook that detailed how to be Lawful Good without being Lawful Stupid. Finally, the mechanic was dropped altogether in Fifth Edition with a change in the ruleset. Starting with that edition, a Paladin no longer had to be LawfulGood -- instead, a Paladin could be any one of the nine {{Character Alignment}}s as long as it matched the alignment of the god they served. In addition, most of the restrictions on a Paladin's oath and their behavior also got dropped. Even so, Paladins gained a reputation as the class of the StopHavingFunGuys for the longest time -- even after losing the mechanics that enforced being LawfulStupid, the Paladin class has yet to fully recover.[[invoked]]

** The Paladin class as a whole got itself a reputation for being LawfulStupid thanks to the game's mechanics in ''D&D''. In early editions of the game, not only did a Paladin always have to be LawfulGood, but a Paladin could potentially lose their powers forever if they let any lawbreaking go unpunished. As a result, the class was the bane of many a Dungeon Master and other gaming tables for a long time, as the arguments around what to do in any given situation were complicated by this mechanic. [[CreatorBacklash Even the creators of the game got sick of it]], eventually released the ''Book of Exalted Deeds'' splatbook that detailed how to be Lawful Good without being Lawful Stupid. Finally, the mechanic was dropped altogether in Fifth Edition with a change in the ruleset. Starting with that edition, a Paladin no longer had to be LawfulGood -- instead, a Paladin could be any one of the nine {{Character Alignment}}s as long as it matched the alignment of the god they served. In addition, most of the restrictions on a Paladin's oath and their behavior also got dropped. Even so, Paladins gained a reputation as the class of the StopHavingFunGuys for the longest time -- even after losing the mechanics that enforced being LawfulStupid, the Paladin class has yet to fully recover.[[invoked]]

** The Paladin class as a whole got itself a reputation for being LawfulStupid thanks to the game's mechanics in ''D&D''. In early editions of the game, not only did a Paladin always have to be LawfulGood, but a Paladin could potentially lose their powers forever if they let any lawbreaking go unpunished. As a result, the class was the bane of many a Dungeon Master and other gaming tables for a long time, as the arguments around what to do in any given situation were complicated by this mechanic. It eventually got dropped in Fifth Edition so that a Paladin no longer had to be LawfulGood -- instead, a Paladin could be any one of the nine {{Character Alignment}}s as long as it matched the alignment of the god they served. In addition, most of the restrictions on a Paladin's oath and their behavior also got dropped. Even so, Paladins gained a reputation as the class of the StopHavingFunGuys for the longest time -- even after losing the mechanics that enforced being LawfulStupid, the Paladin class has yet to fully recover.[[invoked]]

* As a writer for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', even though he publicly apologised for it, Colin [=McComb=] will probably never be truly forgiven for his AD&D 2nd Edition splatbook "[[CantArgueWithElves The Complete Guide to the]] MasterRace". Uh no, sorry, The Complete Book of Elves.

** It seems that some people seem to have taken the ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve element of Orky technology to mean that '''ALL''' of it runs simply because the Orks believe it does. No, a stick will ''not'' fire bullets if you convince an Ork that it can, goddamnit (though a pipe would, as far as the second edition rules are concerned, which was 5 editions ago and counting)! Being hit with a severe case of DependingOnTheWriter makes it even worse. (One source will say Ork tech works fine and the gestalt psychic field only makes it work better; meanwhile, another source will have an Ork fly a ship across a star system despite it lacking any fuel.)
** The Imperial Guard will never escape their reputation as a RedShirtArmy who easily fall to any other force. Granted, that's mostly how they were depicted in the early editions, but later editions solidified their nature as a BadassArmy fully capable of holding their own.

** The Planetary Defense Force (a.k.a. the PDF) usually present on Imperial worlds as a first line of defense kept their Red Shirt Army status. This is to the point that they are considered incredibly incompetent at best in-universe by both the Imperial Guard and Space Marines, since [=PDFs=] have a reputation of never actually succeeding at planetary defense.

* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': It seems that some people seem to have taken the ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve element of Orky technology to mean that '''ALL''' of it runs simply because the Orks believe it does. No, a stick will ''not'' fire bullets if you convince an Ork that it can, goddamnit (though a pipe would, as far as the second edition rules are concerned, which was 5 editions ago and counting)! Being hit with a severe case of DependingOnTheWriter makes it even worse. (One source will say Ork tech works fine and the gestalt psychic field only makes it work better; meanwhile, another source will have an Ork fly a ship across a star system despite it lacking any fuel.)

** This can happen to writers too. Matt Ward was already unpopular but not necessarily loathed for being an Ultramarines fanboy who "hijacked the Space Marines codex to turn it into a 95% Ultramarines book" (the decision was more likely made [[ExecutiveMeddling from the opposite direction]] after it was too late for Ward to change anything). While a bad move, fans already accepted the overuse of Ultramarines as poster-boys and moved on. Then Matt made the Grey Knights codex, possibly the single most broken and overpowered army list yet conceived. Fan hatred of the codex was so far that members of the 4chan /tg/ board made lists of non-Grey Knights models that could be used to fashion a GK army without buying their specific models; all of this was based on the logic that Games Workshop would look at the sales of GK product to judge Ward's performance.
*** Sisters of Battle fans will likely never forgive that Grey Knights codex for having the GK massacre a convent of Battle Sisters and get off scot-free.
*** Another sore contention is Ward's complete overhaul of the Necron's lore. While received well by ''some'' players, many 'Cron fans believe that [[BadassDecay the army has gone from being]] [[NightmareFuel mysteriously terrifying]] EldritchAbomination worshipping killbots, to a comparatively lame mix between the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tomb Kings]] and a cheesy Series/DoctorWho villain, and their star-eating gods have turned into Pokemon. Ironically, Ward is rather well-liked by [[OurElvesAreBetter Eldar]] players, because, while a horrid writer he may be, he's the only one who doesn't constantly submit the Eldar to [[ButtMonkey humiliating]] {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s; in one of his stories, Craftworld Biel-tan successfully fights off ''two'' Imperial sector fleets and '''''TEN''''' Space Marine chapters by itself, although this ''is'' [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Biel-tan]] we're talking about, so...
** Similar to Ward, Robin Cruddace will also never live down the "horrible atrocity" that was the 5th edition Tyranid Codex. Even the codex itself is only remembered for two things: introducing the nigh-useless Pyrovore and nerfing the beloved Carnifex to hell to make the newer Monstrous Creatures useful. This carried on even when the Tyranids got an update for 6th edition and the further nerfs it received had people burning Cruddace at the stake despite his name being nowhere on the book. [[note]]GW had, at this point, stopped naming individual authors on their books and instead just crediting the whole team as a result, as anything with Ward's name on it will instantly be decried as a defilement of fluff/broken-ass shit/Ultramarine Fanboyism/any combination thereof. The fact that the Tyranid codex got nerfed when they decided to do this pointed EVERYONE in Cruddace's direction.[[/note]]

* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'':
** The way Ogre mercenary Golgfag Maneater got his surname is an in-universe example. People started calling him Maneater after he settled a dispute with a human paymaster by eating him and walking away with his paychests. No big deal, except many people end up assuming he eats human meat and ''nothing else'' -- which he doesn't -- much to Golgfag's annoyance. Warhammer Ogres are {{Extreme Omnivore}}s who'll eat literally ''anything'' when they're hungry (except gold, which is [[WorthlessYellowRocks regarded as worthless]] due to lacking any nutritious value) and Golgfag is no exception, yet to this day he still has to grumpily explain to people who get the wrong idea that a) yes, he may eat a human if the mood strikes him, but b) no, he does '''not''' eat manflesh exclusively or have a particular taste for it.
** In the early edition, it was implied (albeit never outright stated) that leaders of the Dark Elves [[DarthVaderClone Malekith the Witch-King]] and his mother [[VainSorceress Morathi]] might [[ParentalIncest be]] [[VillainousIncest lovers]]. Mind you, the only thing that was said was that there were rumours of such. The subtext was removed from later editions, but that Malekith fucked his mother is one of the things many fans choose to remember about him.

* Helm of the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' doesn't seem to ever be able to live down his moments of LawfulStupid, like killing the first Mystara. It's gotten to the point he and his followers still get called LawfulStupid InUniverse.
** In-universe, he also gets a lot of flak from the fact that it was a group of his worshippers who found Maztica (a FantasyCounterpartCulture of the {{Mayincatec}} flavor)... and promptly turned into Conquistador-expies. See the WhatTheHellHero entry on the TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms page.

* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'': The way Ogre mercenary Golgfag Maneater got his surname is an in-universe example. People started calling him Maneater after he settled a dispute with a human paymaster by eating him and walking away with his paychests. No big deal, except many people end up assuming he eats human meat and ''nothing else'' -- which he doesn't -- much to Golgfag's annoyance. Warhammer Ogres are {{Extreme Omnivore}}s who'll eat literally ''anything'' when they're hungry (except gold, which is [[WorthlessYellowRocks regarded as worthless]] due to lacking any nutritious value) and Golgfag is no exception, yet to this day he still has to grumpily explain to people who get the wrong idea that a) yes, he may eat a human if the mood strikes him, but b) no, he does '''not''' eat manflesh exclusively or have a particular taste for it.

* Many ''MagicTheGathering'' sets suffer from this.

** The Planetary Defense Force (a.k.a. the PDF) usually present on Imperial worlds as a first line of defense kept their Red Shirt Army status. This is to the point that they are considered incredibly incompetent at best in-universe by both the Imperial Guard and Space Marines, since PDFs have a reputation of never actually succeeding at planetary defense.

*** Sisters of Battle fans will likely never forgive that Grey Knights codex for having the GK massacre a convent and get off scot-free.
*** Another sore contention is Ward's complete overhaul of the Necron's lore. While received well by ''some'' players, many 'Cron fans believe that [[BadassDecay the army has gone from being]] [[NightmareFuel terrifying]] EldritchAbomination worshipping killbots, to a comparatively lame mix between the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tomb Kings]] and a cheesy Series/DoctorWho villain, and their star-eating gods have turned into Pokemon. Ironically, Ward is rather well-liked by [[OurElvesAreBetter Eldar]] players, because, while a horrid writer he may be, he's the only one who doesn't constantly submit the Eldar to [[ButtMonkey humiliating]] {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s; in one of his stories, Craftworld Biel-tan successfully fights off ''two'' Imperial sector fleets and '''''TEN''''' Space Marine chapters by itself, although this ''is'' [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Biel-tan]] we're talking about, so...

* As a writer for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', even though he publicly apologised for it, Colin [=McComb=] will probably never be truly forgiven for his AD&D 2nd Edition splatbook "[[CantArgueWithElves The Complete Guide to the]] MasterRace". Uh no, sorry, The Complete Guide to Elves.

*** Sisters of Battle fans will likely never forgiving for having the GK massacre a convent and get off scot-free.

* Helm of the ''ForgottenRealms'' doesn't seem to ever be able to live down his moments of LawfulStupid, like killing the first Mystara. It's gotten to the point he and his followers still get called LawfulStupid InUniverse.
** In-universe, he also gets a lot of flak from the fact that it was a group of his worshippers who found Maztica (a FantasyCounterpartCulture of the {{Mayincatec}} flavor)... and promptly turned into Conquistador-expies. See the WhatTheHellHero entry on the ForgottenRealms page.

** Similar to Ward, Robin Cruddace will also never live down the "horrible atrocity" that was the 5th edition Tyranid Codex. Even the codex itself is only remembered for two things; Introducing the nigh-useless Pyrovore and nerfing the beloved Carnifex to hell to make the newer Monstrous Creatures useful. This carried on even when the Tyranids got an update for 6th edition and the further nerfs it received had people burning Cruddace at the stake despite his name being nowhere on the book. [[note]]GW had, at this point, stopped naming individual authors on their books and instead just crediting the whole team as a result, as anything with Ward's name on it will instantly be decried as a defilement of fluff/broken-ass shit/Ultramarine Fanboyism/any combination thereof. The fact that the Tyranid codex got nerfed when they decided to do this pointed EVERYONE in Cruddace's direction.[[/note]]

*** Another sore contention is Ward's complete overhaul of the Necron's lore. While received well by ''some'' players, many 'Cron fans believe that [[BadassDecay the army has gone from being]] [[NightmareFuel terrifying]] EldritchAbomination worshipping killbots, to a comparatively lame mix between the [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Tomb Kings]] and a cheesy Series/DoctorWho villain, and their star-eating gods have turned in Pokemon. Ironically, Ward is rather well-liked by [[OurElvesAreBetter Eldar]] players, because, while a horrid writer he may be, he's the only one who doesn't constantly submit the Eldar to [[ButtMonkey humiliating]] {{Curb Stomp Battle}}s; in one of his stories, Craftworld Biel-tan successfully fights off ''two'' Imperial sector fleets and '''''TEN''''' Space Marine chapters by itself, although this ''is'' [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Biel-tan]] we're talking about, so...

*** Sisters of Battle fans will likely never forgiving for having the GK massacre a convent and get of scot-free.