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For a cute, saccharine show, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a lot of villains that [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], proving that even though Equestria is all about [[EasilyForgiven instant forgiveness]] there are still [[ThisIsUnforgivable some things that are considered unforgivable]].

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For a cute, [[VileVillainSaccharineShow saccharine show, show]], ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a lot of villains that [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]], proving that even though Equestria is all about [[EasilyForgiven instant forgiveness]] there are still [[ThisIsUnforgivable some things that are considered unforgivable]].
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MEH can only be crossed once.


** She sinks even further in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending Of The End - Part 2]], where she [[spoiler:holds Spike [[WouldHurtAChild hostage]] and forces the Mane 6 to back down by threatening to ''[[AnArmAndALeg pull off his wings]]'']]. It's implied she wasn't joking around, and she legitimately [[spoiler:caused Spike pain]].
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** She sinks even further in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending Of The End - Part 2]], where she [[spoiler:holds Spike [[WouldHurtAChild hostage]] and forces the Mane 6 to back down by threatening to ''[[AnArmAndALeg pull off his wings]]'']]. It's implied she wasn't joking around, and she legitimately [[spoiler:caused Spike pain]].
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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School Raze Part 1]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy Glow]] crosses it once it's revealed she tricked the Mane Six into imprisoning themselves in Tartarus to take over the School of Friendship and were behind stealing all of Equestria's magic to banish to another dimension (alongside Starlight Glimmer whom she usurped) which would doom civilization if not the world, just to take power for herself. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School Raze Part 1]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy Glow]] crosses it once it's revealed she tricked the Mane Six into imprisoning themselves in Tartarus to take over the School of Friendship and were was behind stealing all of Equestria's magic to banish to another dimension (alongside Starlight Glimmer whom she usurped) which would doom civilization if not the world, just to take power for herself. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a more compatible friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic.magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a more compatible friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic [[YouHavOutlivedYourUsefulness when he had no further use for him]]. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a more compatible friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic [[YouHavOutlivedYourUsefulness when he had no further use for him]].Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a more compatible friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a more compatible friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic.Magic [[YouHavOutlivedYourUsefulness when he had no further use for him]]. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a more compatible friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a friend (and a more compatible one at that), while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he thought Tirek was a friend (and a more compatible one at that), friend, while Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though thought Tirek was a friend, friend (and a more compatible one at that), while Tirek's Tirek betrayed and rejected the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.

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* In "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only for him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Chrysalis]] was shockingly evil upon her debut in "A Canterlot Wedding", but crosses to irredeemably in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E26ToWhereAndBackAgainPart2 To Where and Back Again Part 2]]" when she attacked Starlight Glimmer and attempted to drain Thorax's love when they challenged her rule by the latter having discovered a cure to their HorrorHunger, [[NoSoWellIntentionedExtremist invalidating her prior mitigating motivation of feeding her subjects]]. This, followed with her [[RedemptionRejection refusing the offer of redemption]] for the good of her subjects, established her as a pure tyrant irredeemable even by what had become a notoriously forgiving series.

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* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Chrysalis]] was shockingly evil upon her debut in "A Canterlot Wedding", but crosses to irredeemably in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E26ToWhereAndBackAgainPart2 To Where and Back Again Part 2]]" when she attacked Starlight Glimmer and attempted to drain Thorax's love when they challenged her rule by the latter having discovered a cure to their HorrorHunger, [[NoSoWellIntentionedExtremist [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist invalidating her prior mitigating motivation of feeding her subjects]]. This, followed with her [[RedemptionRejection refusing the offer of redemption]] for the good of her subjects, established her as a pure tyrant irredeemable even by what had become a notoriously forgiving series.

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* "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crystal Empire Part 1]]" does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction where it's revealed he turned the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Notably he lack any explanation or mitigating factors unlike prior major villains[[labelnote:explanation]][[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] had [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds a tragic backstory]], [[GodOfChaos Discord]] and [[EmotionEater the changelings]] were driven by some component of their natures with the former mostly [[LaughablyEvil played comedically]].[[/labelnote]] and is portrayed more as a monstrous force of evil than asan actual character.

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* "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crystal Empire Part 1]]" does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction where it's revealed he turned the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Notably he lack any explanation or mitigating factors unlike prior major villains[[labelnote:explanation]][[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] had [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds a tragic backstory]], [[GodOfChaos Discord]] and [[EmotionEater the changelings]] were driven by some component of their natures with the former mostly [[LaughablyEvil played comedically]].[[/labelnote]] and is portrayed more as a monstrous force of evil than asan an actual character.





* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 Raze]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy]] [[TheSociopath Glow]]]] crosses it when she imprisons the Main Six in Tartarus, takes over the School of Friendship, and attempts to take over Equestria. If that wasn't enough, then the way she does it certainly counts; [[spoiler:she has all of Equestria's magic stolen so she can send it to another dimension, takes out a de-powered Starlight Glimmer so she's unable to stop her, does the same to [[RedHerring Chancellor Neighsay]] while giving him a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and when the Student Six try to stop the act, she turns the entire school on them and shows no concern for any of them when they get caught with Starlight and almost sent to the same dimension but were saved last-minute by the Tree of Harmony. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]

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\n\n* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 Raze]], School Raze Part 1]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy]] [[TheSociopath Glow]]]] Cozy Glow]] crosses it when once it's revealed she imprisons tricked the Main Mane Six into imprisoning themselves in Tartarus, takes Tartarus to take over the School of Friendship, Friendship and attempts to take over Equestria. If that wasn't enough, then the way she does it certainly counts; [[spoiler:she has were behind stealing all of Equestria's magic stolen so she can send it to banish to another dimension, takes out a de-powered dimension (alongside Starlight Glimmer so she's unable to stop her, does whom she usurped) which would doom civilization if not the same world, just to [[RedHerring Chancellor Neighsay]] while giving him a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and when the Student Six try to stop the act, she turns the entire school on them and shows no concern take power for any of them when they get caught with Starlight and almost sent to the same dimension but were saved last-minute by the Tree of Harmony.herself. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]
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* "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crystal Empire Part 1]]" does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction, in which it is revealed that he used BlackMagic to turn the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SugarApocalypse enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Worse still, he's given no excuse for his crimes - [[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds had a tragic backstory]], and though it doesn't remotely excuse their actions, Discord and Chrysalis were at least motivated by some component of their natures. Sombra, though, was just a seemingly regular unicorn who went to seize power for himself even if it meant ruining the lives of everyone around him. Appropriately, the episode presents him more as a monstrous force of evil than as an actual character.

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* "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crystal Empire Part 1]]" does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction, in which it is introduction where it's revealed that he used BlackMagic to turn turned the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SugarApocalypse [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Worse still, he's given no excuse for his crimes - [[FallenAngel Notably he lack any explanation or mitigating factors unlike prior major villains[[labelnote:explanation]][[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] had [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds had a tragic backstory]], [[GodOfChaos Discord]] and though it doesn't remotely excuse their actions, Discord and Chrysalis [[EmotionEater the changelings]] were at least motivated driven by some component of their natures. Sombra, though, was just a seemingly regular unicorn who went to seize power for himself even if it meant ruining natures with the lives of everyone around him. Appropriately, the episode presents him former mostly [[LaughablyEvil played comedically]].[[/labelnote]] and is portrayed more as a monstrous force of evil than as an asan actual character.
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MEH Cleanup. Was shockingly evil but lacked the shift in portrayal to irredeemable as she had yet to established her character. Latter MEH, there can be only one, fits better as it invalidates the well-intentions to feed her subjects and shifted her portrayal to irredeemable in a very forgiving series.


* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 A Canter]][[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 lot Wedding]], [[spoiler:Imposter-Cadance/[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Chrysalis]]]] crossed this by [[spoiler:leaving Twilight trapped in the mines under Canterlot which were long forgotten so ''nopony would ever find her''. Then ''taunting her with that fact'', [[KickTheDog just to rub it in]]. And then it's revealed she did the exact same thing with the ''real'' Cadence, who is in rough shape by the time Twilight finds her. All this after letting an already-broken and regretful Twilight think [[HopeSpot all is forgiven]]. If not then, she crosses it in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E25ToWhereAndBackAgainPart1 To Where]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E26ToWhereAndBackAgainPart2 and Back Again]] where she attempted to drain all of the love from Thorax for his betrayal just to further stroke her delusional leadership.]]
* [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crys]][[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E2TheCrystalEmpirePart2 tal Empire]] does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction, in which it is revealed that he used BlackMagic to turn the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SugarApocalypse enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Worse still, he's given no excuse for his crimes - [[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds had a tragic backstory]], and though it doesn't remotely excuse their actions, Discord and Chrysalis were at least motivated by some component of their natures. Sombra, though, was just a seemingly regular unicorn who went to seize power for himself even if it meant ruining the lives of everyone around him. Appropriately, the episode presents him more as a monstrous force of evil than as an actual character.
* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]], Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.
* The griffin guide in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E8TheLostTreasureofGriffonstone The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone]] crosses it by abandoning an injured Rainbow Dash in a abyss just because Rainbow didn't have enough bits.
* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'', [[TheConqueror The Storm King]] crosses the line by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened to destroy Canterlot along with his own army, then backstabbing and attempting to murder Tempest when she asks for him to fix her horn to fulfil his end of the deal.]]

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 A Canter]][[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 lot Wedding]], [[spoiler:Imposter-Cadance/[[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Chrysalis]]]] crossed this by [[spoiler:leaving Twilight trapped in the mines under Canterlot which were long forgotten so ''nopony would ever find her''. Then ''taunting her with that fact'', [[KickTheDog just to rub it in]]. And then it's revealed she did the exact same thing with the ''real'' Cadence, who is in rough shape by the time Twilight finds her. All this after letting an already-broken and regretful Twilight think [[HopeSpot all is forgiven]]. If not then, she crosses it in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E25ToWhereAndBackAgainPart1 To Where]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E26ToWhereAndBackAgainPart2 and Back Again]] where she attempted to drain all of the love from Thorax for his betrayal just to further stroke her delusional leadership.]]
* [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1
"[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crys]][[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E2TheCrystalEmpirePart2 tal Empire]] Crystal Empire Part 1]]" does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction, in which it is revealed that he used BlackMagic to turn the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SugarApocalypse enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Worse still, he's given no excuse for his crimes - [[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds had a tragic backstory]], and though it doesn't remotely excuse their actions, Discord and Chrysalis were at least motivated by some component of their natures. Sombra, though, was just a seemingly regular unicorn who went to seize power for himself even if it meant ruining the lives of everyone around him. Appropriately, the episode presents him more as a monstrous force of evil than as an actual character.
* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]], 2]]", Lord Tirek crossed this by having Discord betray and imprison Twilight's friends only him to similarly betray Discord and drain his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed as he had moments of conflictedness about it and only did so because he though Tirek was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.
* The griffin guide in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E8TheLostTreasureofGriffonstone "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E8TheLostTreasureofGriffonstone The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone]] Griffonstone]]" crosses it by abandoning an injured Rainbow Dash in a abyss just because Rainbow didn't have enough bits.
* [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Chrysalis]] was shockingly evil upon her debut in "A Canterlot Wedding", but crosses to irredeemably in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E26ToWhereAndBackAgainPart2 To Where and Back Again Part 2]]" when she attacked Starlight Glimmer and attempted to drain Thorax's love when they challenged her rule by the latter having discovered a cure to their HorrorHunger, [[NoSoWellIntentionedExtremist invalidating her prior mitigating motivation of feeding her subjects]]. This, followed with her [[RedemptionRejection refusing the offer of redemption]] for the good of her subjects, established her as a pure tyrant irredeemable even by what had become a notoriously forgiving series.
* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'', [[TheConqueror The Storm King]] crosses the line by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened to destroy Canterlot along with his own army, then backstabbing and attempting to murder Tempest when she asks for him to fix her horn to fulfil fulfill his end of the deal.]]]]

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]], if [[{{Satan}} Lord Tirek]] hadn't crossed this already, he certainly did when he had Discord imprison Applejack, Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, Rarity and Spike so he can drain their magic, then betrayed Discord ''and'' drained him of his magic. Even earlier than that, he banishes Celestia, Luna, and Cadance to Tartarus, even though they have no magic and are powerless to do anything against him.
** Interestingly inverted with Discord. In "The Return of Harmony", he almost crossed it by mind raping the main cast. A few seasons later, after "mostly" promising to use his reality-bending powers for good, you'd think betraying all of Equestria to Tirek, including Fluttershy, would count as this, but due to [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone his recurring remorse]] and reaction to Tirek betraying him, he officially redeems himself.

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]], if [[{{Satan}} Lord Tirek]] hadn't Tirek crossed this already, he certainly did when he had by having Discord betray and imprison Applejack, Rainbow Dash, Pinkie Pie, Fluttershy, Rarity Twilight's friends only him to similarly betray Discord and Spike so he can drain their magic, then his Magic. Discord remained sympathetic even before being betrayed Discord ''and'' drained him as he had moments of his magic. Even earlier than that, he banishes Celestia, Luna, conflictedness about it and Cadance to Tartarus, even only did so because he though they have no magic and are powerless to do anything against him.
** Interestingly inverted with Discord. In "The Return of Harmony", he almost crossed it by mind raping the main cast. A few seasons later, after "mostly" promising to use his reality-bending powers for good, you'd think betraying all of Equestria to Tirek, including Fluttershy, would count as this, but due to [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone his recurring remorse]] and reaction to
Tirek betraying him, he officially redeems himself.was a friend, while Tirek's betrayed and rejected the the friendship that redeemed Discord.
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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 Raze]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy]] [[TheSociopath Glow]]]] crosses it when she imprisons the Main Six in Tartarus, takes over the School of Friendship, and attempts to take over Equestria. If that wasn't enough, then the way she does it certainly counts; [[spoiler:she has all of Equestria's magic stolen so she can send it to another dimension, takes out a de-powered Starlight Glimmer so she's unable to stop her, does the same to [[RedHerring Chancellor Neighsay]] while giving him a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and when the Student Six try to stop the act, she turns the entire school on them and shows no concern for any of them when they get caught with Starlight and almost sent to the same dimension. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 Raze]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy]] [[TheSociopath Glow]]]] crosses it when she imprisons the Main Six in Tartarus, takes over the School of Friendship, and attempts to take over Equestria. If that wasn't enough, then the way she does it certainly counts; [[spoiler:she has all of Equestria's magic stolen so she can send it to another dimension, takes out a de-powered Starlight Glimmer so she's unable to stop her, does the same to [[RedHerring Chancellor Neighsay]] while giving him a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and when the Student Six try to stop the act, she turns the entire school on them and shows no concern for any of them when they get caught with Starlight and almost sent to the same dimension.dimension but were saved last-minute by the Tree of Harmony. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]
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* [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crys]][[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E2TheCrystalEmpirePart2 tal Empire]] does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction, in which it is revealed that he used BlackMagic to turn the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SugarApocalypse enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Worse still, he's given no excuse for his crimes - [[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds had a tragic backstory]], and though it doesn't remotely excuse their actions, Discord and Chrysalis were at least motivated by some component of their natures. Sombra, though, was just a seemingly regular unicorn who went to seize power for himself even if it meant ruining the lives of everyone around him. Appropriately, the episode presents him more as a monstrous force of evil than as an actual character.


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* The griffin guide in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E8TheLostTreasureofGriffonstone The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone]] crosses it by abandoning an injured Rainbow Dash in a abyss just because Rainbow didn't have enough bits.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'', [[TheConqueror The Storm King]] might be silly, but he crossed the line by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened to destroy Canterlot along with his own army, then backstabbing and attempting to murder Tempest when she asks for him to fix her horn to fulfil his end of the deal.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'', [[TheConqueror The Storm King]] might be silly, but he crossed crosses the line by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened to destroy Canterlot along with his own army, then backstabbing and attempting to murder Tempest when she asks for him to fix her horn to fulfil his end of the deal.]]
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This is the stand out act as 1. the slavery thing happened before the character was introduced 2. Tempest was redeemable despite being equally guilty of that.


* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'', [[TheConqueror The Storm]] [[EvilOverlord King]] might be silly, but he's responsible for a ''lot'' of suffering. However, the point where he crosses this line is either his [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslavement of Canterlot's population]] (which is treated dead seriously) or [[spoiler:stabbing Tempest in the back and attempting to outright murder her in cold blood when she asks for him to fix her horn to fulfil his end of the deal.]] He may have crossed this right before the latter by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened the lives of not only his uprising opponents and newly aquired slaves, but HIS OWN ARMY AS WELL!]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017'', [[TheConqueror The Storm]] [[EvilOverlord Storm King]] might be silly, but he's responsible for a ''lot'' of suffering. However, he crossed the point where he crosses this line is either by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened to destroy Canterlot along with his [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslavement of Canterlot's population]] (which is treated dead seriously) or [[spoiler:stabbing Tempest in the back own army, then backstabbing and attempting to outright murder her in cold blood Tempest when she asks for him to fix her horn to fulfil his end of the deal.]] He may have crossed this right before the latter by [[spoiler:creating a massive tornado that threatened the lives of not only his uprising opponents and newly aquired slaves, but HIS OWN ARMY AS WELL!]]]]
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Cleanup. Now about deed that mark a shift in the portrayal of the character so Sombra's exempt as he's introduced as such, the guide immediately leaves the story so doesn't show any change, and they rest already crossed the line earlier.


* [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 The Crys]][[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E2TheCrystalEmpirePart2 tal Empire]] does this to [[SorcerousOverlord King Sombra]] immediately upon his introduction, in which it is revealed that he used BlackMagic to turn the Crystal Empire into {{Mordor}} and [[SugarApocalypse enslave the crystal ponies who lived there]]. Worse still, he's given no excuse for his crimes - [[FallenAngel Nightmare Moon]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds had a tragic backstory]], and though it doesn't remotely excuse their actions, Discord and Chrysalis were at least motivated by some component of their natures. Sombra, though, was just a seemingly regular unicorn who went to seize power for himself even if it meant ruining the lives of everyone around him. Appropriately, the episode presents him more as a monstrous force of evil than as an actual character.



* The griffin guide in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E8TheLostTreasureofGriffonstone The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone]] crosses it by abandoning an injured Rainbow Dash in a abyss just because Rainbow didn't have enough bits.



* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 Raze]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy]] [[TheSociopath Glow]]]] crosses it when she imprisons the Main Six in Tartarus, takes over the School of Friendship, and attempts to take over Equestria. If that wasn't enough, then the way she does it certainly counts; [[spoiler:she has all of Equestria's magic stolen so she can send it to another dimension, takes out a de-powered Starlight Glimmer so she's unable to stop her, does the same to [[RedHerring Chancellor Neighsay]] while giving him a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and when the Student Six try to stop the act, she turns the entire school on them and shows no concern for any of them when they get caught with Starlight and almost sent to the same dimension. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]
* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2 The Beginning of the End Part 2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins (who are babies), in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.
** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], [[spoiler:Cozy Glow]] also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (with a grin on each of their faces), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]
* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E24TheEndingoftheEndPart1 The Ending]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingoftheEndPart2 of the End]], Queen Chrysalis crosses it ''big time'' when she threatens to [[WouldHurtAChild tear off Spike's wings]] if Twilight and her friends don't surrender, with Tirek and Cozy Glow having crossed it by being okay with it.

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 School]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E26SchoolRazePart2 Raze]], [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Cozy]] [[TheSociopath Glow]]]] crosses it when she imprisons the Main Six in Tartarus, takes over the School of Friendship, and attempts to take over Equestria. If that wasn't enough, then the way she does it certainly counts; [[spoiler:she has all of Equestria's magic stolen so she can send it to another dimension, takes out a de-powered Starlight Glimmer so she's unable to stop her, does the same to [[RedHerring Chancellor Neighsay]] while giving him a massive TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and when the Student Six try to stop the act, she turns the entire school on them and shows no concern for any of them when they get caught with Starlight and almost sent to the same dimension. Her actions were so horrific that she ended up in Tartarus with Tirek as punishment.]]
* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2 The Beginning of the End Part 2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins (who are babies), in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.
** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], [[spoiler:Cozy Glow]] also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (with a grin on each of their faces), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]
* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E24TheEndingoftheEndPart1 The Ending]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingoftheEndPart2 of the End]], Queen Chrysalis crosses it ''big time'' when she threatens to [[WouldHurtAChild tear off Spike's wings]] if Twilight and her friends don't surrender, with Tirek and Cozy Glow having crossed it by being okay with it.
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** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], [[spoiler:Cozy Glow]] also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with a grin on her face), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]

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** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], [[spoiler:Cozy Glow]] also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with (with a grin on her face), each of their faces), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]
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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E24TheEndingoftheEndPart1 The Ending]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingoftheEndPart2 of the End]], Queen Chrysalis crosses it ''big time'' when she threatens to [[WouldHurtAChild tear off Spike's wings]] if Twilight and her friends don't give up, with the other two legion members crossed it by being okay with it.

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E24TheEndingoftheEndPart1 The Ending]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingoftheEndPart2 of the End]], Queen Chrysalis crosses it ''big time'' when she threatens to [[WouldHurtAChild tear off Spike's wings]] if Twilight and her friends don't give up, surrender, with the other two legion members Tirek and Cozy Glow having crossed it by being okay with it.
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* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2 The Beginning of the End Part 2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins, in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.

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* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2 The Beginning of the End Part 2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins, twins (who are babies), in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.
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** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], Cozy Glow also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with a grin on her face), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]

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** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], Cozy Glow [[spoiler:Cozy Glow]] also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with a grin on her face), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]
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* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins, in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.
** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2]], Cozy Glow also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with a grin on her face), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]

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* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2]], [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2 The Beginning of the End Part 2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins, in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.
** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2]], [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2 The Ending of the End Part 2]], Cozy Glow also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with a grin on her face), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]
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* King Sombra was already established to be horrible enough, as noted above. But in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E2TheBeginningOfTheEndPart2]], in which he is given more lines and personality, he crosses it at least twice more. First, when he brainwashes the Cake twins, in addition to the rest of Ponyville. Second, when he grins sadistically as he directs a potentially lethal magic blast at Fluttershy, the cutest and kindest pony in Equestria, during his fight with Discord.
** Similar to the second point, in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingOfTheEndPart2]], Cozy Glow also grins sadistically when planning to murder the other Mane 5 - including Fluttershy - and Spike, after imprisoning them in the caves beneath Canterlot. This is after she, Chrysalis, and Tirek tried to blast Twilight to oblivion twice in a row in Part 1 (also with a grin on her face), and should have lost her any sympathy from the audience when [[spoiler:she gets [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] at the end along with Chrysalis and Tirek for their crimes.]]
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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E24TheEndingoftheEndPart1 The Ending]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingoftheEndPart2 of the End]], Queen Chrysalis crosses it ''big time'' when she threatens to [[WouldHurtAChild tear off Spike's wings]] if Twilight and her friends don't give up.

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* In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E24TheEndingoftheEndPart1 The Ending]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS9E25TheEndingoftheEndPart2 of the End]], Queen Chrysalis crosses it ''big time'' when she threatens to [[WouldHurtAChild tear off Spike's wings]] if Twilight and her friends don't give up.up, with the other two legion members crossed it by being okay with it.

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