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** On the other hand, Word of God (word of the devblog, actually) has denied the opposite interpretation that the story is meant to be a sympathetic analysis of life with a handicap. The setting comes second to the genre (romance).
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*** Add to this idea that waiting in a dungeon crawling with lethal enemies that won't hesitate to attack is impossible. Imagine a scene where people could wait outside of a doorway discussing tactics while an enemy could approach, yet doesn't simply because of loading. This is an unlikely measure only approachable because enemies "must" load. In the "real" world, enemies engage on sight and would not allow a team of ten heroes to formulate a plan before attack.
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* In ''TheElderScrolls: Oblivion'', late into the game, the player must hunt down the BigBad in his pocket dimension, Camoran's Paradise. At first, "Paradise" appears to be a beautiful {{Arcadia}}n valley with flowers and meadows, but later, the player discovers that under this glade is a hellish cavern where Camoran, having made his fallen followers immortal, tortures traitors forever for betraying him. And if you're lucky enough to have been ''faithful'' to Camoran? He has monsters hunt you down and kill you, only for you to return and be hunted down again. The whole point of Camoran's Paradise is that it's meant to be a CrapsaccharineWorld that looks pleasant, but is really a horrible place to be. And yet, a lot of players can't look past the SceneryPorn and download {{Game Mod}}s that let the player revisit Paradise and live there.
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*** Maybe because he's the one who resurrects Heather if she dies, but then the only reason he does so, or watches her at all, is [[spoiler: because she is to birth a dark god.]]
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* Rochelle in ''Left4Dead2'' is hugely hated by the fans for being TheScrappy, even though she is nothing like a scrappy character at all. Rochelle is meant to be the level headed person of the group of survivors, her humor being subtle or sarcastic, and the fact that she is a person from Ohio that is stuck down south in a ZombieApocalypse with three strangers and knows nothing about the landmarks causes her to feel exasperated over the situation. The fans blast Rochelle with tons of hate because she is A) not like Zoey, who was very witty and [[YourMilageMayVary is sexier than Rochelle]], B) doesn't say anything funny like the other survivors, and C) is just ugly. Some fans have even gone as far as using mods that replaces Rochelle with Zoey. Valve attempted to [[PanderingToTheBase please the Rochelle haters]] by making Rochelle be a lot more sarcastic in The Passing campaign, which has worked somewhat, but most fans to this day still hate Rochelle for trivial reasons.
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* ''[[ModernWarfare Modern Warfare 2]]'' has a few different categories of this, the most obvious being a large part of the player-base that at best [[TruffautWasRight doesn't notice the series has an anti-war message]] and at worst takes a ''positive'' view of war because of it. The worst are, by far, the players who ''[[spoiler:root for General Shepherd.]]'' It's largely because the game's finale involves him both kicking ass in a crazy action-scene, as well as being where he [[MotiveRant explains his motivation and ultimate goal,]] both of which are easy to sympathize with. They are ''not,'' however, justification for [[spoiler:a senior officer ''killing his own men in cold blood'' so that they won't discover he's ''manipulated another country to invade the United States,'' specifically with the goal of killing as many civilians as possible.]]

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* ''[[ModernWarfare Modern Warfare 2]]'' has a few different categories of this, the most obvious being a large part of the player-base that at best [[TruffautWasRight [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing doesn't notice the series has an anti-war message]] and at worst takes a ''positive'' view of war because of it. The worst are, by far, the players who ''[[spoiler:root for General Shepherd.]]'' It's largely because the game's finale involves him both kicking ass in a crazy action-scene, as well as being where he [[MotiveRant explains his motivation and ultimate goal,]] both of which are easy to sympathize with. They are ''not,'' however, justification for [[spoiler:a senior officer ''killing his own men in cold blood'' so that they won't discover he's ''manipulated another country to invade the United States,'' specifically with the goal of killing as many civilians as possible.]]
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** One could reach a similar conclusion about Valtiel, the infamous monster from SilentHill3. This monster is a representation of the fear of being [[AbhorrentAdmirer stalked]] or even sexually assaulted by someone who is obsessed with you. But like Pyramid Head, he has his share of fans.
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** Fans preference for Dark Knight Cecil over Paladin Cecil probably has less to do with stuff like that and more to do with the fact that he looked ''[[EvilIsCool so much cooler]]'' as a Dark Knight.

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** Fans Fans' preference for Dark Knight Cecil over Paladin Cecil probably has less to do with stuff like that and more to do with the fact that he looked ''[[EvilIsCool so much cooler]]'' as a Dark Knight.
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** Fans preference for Dark Knight Cecil over Paladin Cecil probably has less to do with stuff like that and more to do with the fact that he looked ''[[EvilIsCool so much cooler]]'' as a Dark Knight.
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** Of course, the real issue is just ''how'' evil Cerberus is. Are they Complete Monsters to a man, doing everything ForTheEvulz? Are they Well Intentioned Extremists, doing what they do because they believe it's the only way for humanity to survive in the galaxy? Or is it a mix of both?

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** Of course, the real issue is just ''how'' evil Cerberus is. Are they Complete Monsters to a man, doing everything ForTheEvulz? Are they Well Intentioned Extremists, doing what they do because they believe it's the only way for humanity to survive in the galaxy? Or is it a mix of both?both? How many of their actions are justified, considering the state the galaxy finds itself in, with the Reapers on their doorstep?
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* In ''MassEffect'', Cerberus is on the dark side of [[BlackAndGrayMorality morally gray]]. They're essentially a well-funded KnightTemplar terrorist organization out to ensure that humanity dominates the galaxy -- often resorting to cruel biological experiments on unwilling human test subjects and, in one case, the cold-blooded murder of an Alliance admiral who tracked down one of their hideouts. In the sequel, they bring the protagonist BackFromTheDead and provide him/her with a CoolShip to investigate the abduction of human colonists while the established Alliance and Citadel governments do little to assist -- but it's made perfectly clear that they're using you to further their own agenda, and their past atrocities do not go unmentioned. This has not stopped many players from wondering what everyone has against Cerberus. As with ''[[{{Film.Avatar}} Avatar]]'''s Col. Quaritch, however, many people seem to actually ''agree'' with the "secure-human-dominance-at-any-cost" mindset, so this is not entirely surprising.

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* In ''MassEffect'', Cerberus is on the dark side of [[BlackAndGrayMorality morally gray]]. They're essentially a well-funded KnightTemplar terrorist organization out to ensure that humanity dominates the galaxy -- often resorting to cruel biological experiments on unwilling human test subjects and, in one case, the cold-blooded murder of an Alliance admiral who tracked down one of their hideouts.subjects. In the sequel, they bring the protagonist BackFromTheDead and provide him/her with a CoolShip to investigate the abduction of human colonists while the established Alliance and Citadel governments do little to assist -- but it's made perfectly clear that they're using you to further their own agenda, and their past atrocities do not go unmentioned. This has not stopped many players from wondering what everyone has against Cerberus. As with ''[[{{Film.Avatar}} Avatar]]'''s Col. Quaritch, however, many people seem to actually ''agree'' with the "secure-human-dominance-at-any-cost" mindset, so this is not entirely surprising.
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*** The problem with that is [[spoiler:Overlord came out after everyone had completed the game, meaning players knew the geth were good guys all along. Without that, the decision at the end is more of a SadisticChoice. One life in exchange for millions? A devastating war averted, but by ''Cerberus'' of all groups, who now control an entire sapient race? Good luck.]]


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** Of course, the real issue is just ''how'' evil Cerberus is. Are they Complete Monsters to a man, doing everything ForTheEvulz? Are they Well Intentioned Extremists, doing what they do because they believe it's the only way for humanity to survive in the galaxy? Or is it a mix of both?
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* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/Blur'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for Mario Kart too.

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* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/Blur'' ''VideoGame/{{Blur}}'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for Mario Kart too.
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* Several people have said that they'd rather play the ShallowParody of ''MarioKart'' used in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqRue51GZ8 the commercial]] for ''VideoGame/Blur'' rather then the actual game. Apparently the game helped sales for Mario Kart too.
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**** This article on Objectivism in Bioshock uses Ken Levine's thought processes on the subject. He specifically chose Objectivism because he [[http://kotaku.com/354717/no-gods-or-kings-objectivism-in-bioshock saw Ayn Rand as "Dr. Doom."]] While he is sympathetic to Rand's philosophy, he was specifically examining what happens when an idea is taken to its extreme. He specifically refers to Ryan as non-hypocritical for his objectivism but a complete failure for taking it to its logical conclusion. So, basically, TakeThatUs all up in that piece.

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**** This article on Objectivism in Bioshock uses Ken Levine's thought processes on the subject. He specifically chose Objectivism because he [[http://kotaku.com/354717/no-gods-or-kings-objectivism-in-bioshock saw Ayn Rand as "Dr. Doom."]] While he is sympathetic to Rand's philosophy, he was specifically examining what happens when an idea is taken to its extreme. He specifically refers to Ryan as non-hypocritical for his objectivism but a complete failure for taking it to its logical conclusion. So, basically, TakeThatUs all up in that piece. Also, ''Ken Levine didn't write for Bioshock 2''. Lamb wouldn't clarify anything, since WordOfGod on that character would come from a completely different "deity," so to speak.
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**** This article on Objectivism in Bioshock uses Ken Levine's thought processes on the subject. He specifically chose Objectivism because he [[http://kotaku.com/354717/no-gods-or-kings-objectivism-in-bioshock saw Ayn Rand as "Dr. Doom."]] While he is sympathetic to Rand's philosophy, he was specifically examining what happens when an idea is taken to its extreme. He specifically refers to Ryan as non-hypocritical for his objectivism but a complete failure for taking it to its logical conclusion. So, basically, TakeThatUs all up in that piece.
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* The Tank in the ''Left4Dead'' series is heavily misinterpreted by players as a super zombie that can decimate all the survivors in a few seconds in VS mode. While this can be the case if the survivor team is extremely bad or if the Tank player is lucky with the cars or other large objects they can punt over to the survivors, the Tank by itself is barely a game ender and it needs the support of the other special infected players in order to keep the survivors distracted. Despite this, many players are quick to point out how much the player controlling the Tank sucks if he fails to incapacitate or kill any of the survivors.
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* Dr. Breen in ''HalfLife'' has his fans who think he did the right thing by assuring the survival of humanity by surrendering, except there are hints that he staged the entire Resonance Cascade for personal gain, and he is the one who insisted on the highly specific test requirements. Some of his comments in ''2'' as you [[spoiler: climb up the Citadel]] are actually quite reasonable, so it is easy to see how this gets started. [[spoiler: Of course he's close to a CardCarryingVillian almost, and mind controls the populace with tainted water and by all accounts is still playing the fate of humanity for his own personal stake in the Combine empire]].

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* Dr. Breen in ''HalfLife'' has his fans who think he did the right thing by assuring the survival of humanity by surrendering, except there are hints that he staged the entire Resonance Cascade for personal gain, and he is the one who insisted on the highly specific test requirements. Some of his comments in ''2'' as you [[spoiler: climb up the Citadel]] are actually quite reasonable, so it is easy to see how this gets started. [[spoiler: Of course he's close to a CardCarryingVillian CardCarryingVillain almost, and mind controls the populace with tainted water and by all accounts is still playing the fate of humanity for his own personal stake in the Combine empire]].

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* Some fans of ''FinalFantasyIV'' prefer Cecil as a Dark Knight and wish he stayed that way instead of becoming a Paladin. First off, statistically, Dark Knight Cecil is inferior to Paladin Cecil in every way. Second, Cecil is no more badass as a Dark Knight (in fact, it's when he becomes a Paladin when he begins to gain confidence and retaliating against the enemy.) Third, EvilIsCool and DracoInLeatherPants don't even apply here since ''Cecil was never evil in the first place'', just misguided. Finally, him staying as a Dark Knight is [[MisaimedFandom missing the point]] of the game; Cecil is TheAtoner, ''the whole point'' is for him to change from what he was in his past and become a better person. This is not helped by ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', in which Cecil wields both classes cheerfully, without much regard to the fact that in Final Fantasy IV, Cecil hated being a Dark Knight and it was portrayed as a self-destructive path that led to misery and pain.

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* Some fans of ''FinalFantasyIV'' prefer Cecil as a Dark Knight and wish he stayed that way instead of becoming a Paladin. First off, statistically, Dark Knight Cecil is inferior to Paladin Cecil in every way. Second, Cecil is no more badass as a Dark Knight (in fact, it's when he becomes a Paladin when he begins to gain confidence and retaliating against the enemy.) Third, EvilIsCool and DracoInLeatherPants don't even apply here since ''Cecil was never evil in the first place'', just misguided. Finally, him staying as a Dark Knight is [[MisaimedFandom missing the point]] of the game; Cecil is TheAtoner, ''the whole point'' is for him to change from what he was in his past and become a better person. This is not helped by ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', in which Cecil wields both classes cheerfully, without much regard to the fact that in Final Fantasy IV, Cecil hated being a Dark Knight and it was portrayed as a self-destructive path that led to misery and pain. pain.
** The After Years clears up the Dark Knight and Dissidia issues somewhat by having Cecil face and become reconciled with the dark side of himself.
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** The Leroy Jenkins video was meant to be humorous, and nothing else. In an ironic twist on it being called Misaimed Fandom, the people who really are fans of raiding and World of Warcraft in general immediately recognize that the group supposedly planning the encounter were essentially babbling nonsense and were overgeared for the encounter.
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* ''FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' is HUGE with this trope due to Marche's actions and motivations in the game. He searches for a way to go back home to the real world and finds out the only way he could do it is convincing his friends to come home with him while abandoning everything that made their lives perfect in the fantasy world since they were using the said fantasy world to escape from their problems instead of facing them (Mewt is a prince and is no longer bullied, Ritz's hair is now naturally red, and Marche's brother, Donned, can actually walk when he wasn't able to back home). Many people view Marche as a complete villain for "destroying" a dream world (since that world stops existing when Marche and his friends all wish to go home) and making his brother become crippled again. Most people ignore that Donned accepted the fact that he can't walk again when he goes back home, Rtiz knowing that she would have to return home eventually and when she does go back, she accepts her natural white hair (which makes her mother happy to see her daughter be happy), and Mewt standing up to the bullies that bothered him in the beginning of the game. This is most likely the reason why ''FinalFantasyTacticsA2'' made the main plot more simplified in order to avoid a controversial story.

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* ''FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' is HUGE with this trope due to Marche's actions and motivations in the game. He searches for a way to go back home to the real world and finds out the only way he could do it is convincing his friends to come home with him while abandoning everything that made their lives perfect in the fantasy world since they were using the said fantasy world to escape from their problems instead of facing them (Mewt is a prince and is no longer bullied, Ritz's hair is now naturally red, and Marche's brother, Donned, can actually walk when he wasn't able to back home). Many people view Marche as a complete villain for "destroying" a dream world (since that world stops existing when Marche and his friends all wish to go home) and making his brother become crippled again. Most people ignore that Donned accepted the fact that he can't walk again when he goes back home, Rtiz knowing that she would have to return home eventually and when she does go back, she accepts her natural white hair (which makes her mother happy to see her daughter be happy), and Mewt standing up to the bullies that bothered him in the beginning of the game. Despite these facts, many fans still believe Marche is a totally selfish boy that doesn't care what happens to his friends or his brother as long as he can go home, despite the fact that Marche ''convinced'' everyone why they need to go home. This is most likely the reason why ''FinalFantasyTacticsA2'' made the main plot more simplified in order to avoid a controversial story.




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* The Tank in the ''Left4Dead'' series is heavily misinterpreted by players as a super zombie that can decimate all the survivors in a few seconds in VS mode. While this can be the case if the survivor team is extremely bad or if the Tank player is lucky with the cars or other large objects they can punt over to the survivors, the Tank by itself is barely a game ender and it needs the support of the other special infected players in order to keep the survivors distracted. Despite this, many players are quick to point out how much the player controlling the Tank sucks if he fails to incapacitate or kill any of the survivors.
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* Some fans of ''FinalFantasyIV'' prefer Cecil as a Dark Knight and wish he stayed that way instead of becoming a Paladin. First off, statistically, Dark Knight Cecil is inferior to Paladin Cecil in every way. Second, Cecil is no more badass as a Dark Knight (in fact, it's when he becomes a Paladin when he begins to gain confidence and retaliating against the enemy.) Third, EvilIsCool and DracoInLeatherPants don't even apply here since ''Cecil was never evil in the first place'', just misguided. Finally, him staying as a Dark Knight is CompletelyMissingThePoint of the game; Cecil is TheAtoner, ''the whole point'' is for him to change from what he was in his past and become a better person. This is not helped by ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', in which Cecil wields both classes cheerfully, without much regard to the fact that in Final Fantasy IV, Cecil hated being a Dark Knight and it was portrayed as a self-destructive path that led to misery and pain.

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* Some fans of ''FinalFantasyIV'' prefer Cecil as a Dark Knight and wish he stayed that way instead of becoming a Paladin. First off, statistically, Dark Knight Cecil is inferior to Paladin Cecil in every way. Second, Cecil is no more badass as a Dark Knight (in fact, it's when he becomes a Paladin when he begins to gain confidence and retaliating against the enemy.) Third, EvilIsCool and DracoInLeatherPants don't even apply here since ''Cecil was never evil in the first place'', just misguided. Finally, him staying as a Dark Knight is CompletelyMissingThePoint [[MisaimedFandom missing the point]] of the game; Cecil is TheAtoner, ''the whole point'' is for him to change from what he was in his past and become a better person. This is not helped by ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', in which Cecil wields both classes cheerfully, without much regard to the fact that in Final Fantasy IV, Cecil hated being a Dark Knight and it was portrayed as a self-destructive path that led to misery and pain.

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* Hard right fan's of red alert 3 see Ackerman as a great leader while ignoring he is a borderline psycopath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at [[spoiler: BLOWING UP Russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine]].

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* Hard right fan's of red alert 3 see Ackerman as a great leader while ignoring he is a borderline psyocpath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at [[spoiler: BLOWING UP russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine]].
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* Hard right fan's of red alert 3 see Ackerman as a great leader while ignoring he is a borderline psyocpath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at [[spoiler: blowing up BLOWING UP russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine]].
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* Hard right fan's of red alert 3 see Ackerman as a great leader while ignoring he is a borderline psyocpath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at [[ spoiler: blowing up russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine]].

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* Hard right fan's of red alert 3 see Ackerman as a great leader while ignoring he is a borderline psyocpath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at [[ spoiler: [[spoiler: blowing up russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine]].
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hard right fan's of red alert 3 support ackerman's policys while ignoring he is a borderline psyocpath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at blowing up russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine
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hard Hard right fan's of red alert 3 support ackerman's policys see Ackerman as a great leader while ignoring he is a borderline psyocpath and even go so far as to defend his attempt at blowing up [[spoiler: russia with a giant laser all because of an reasonable enemy mine
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