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Misuse, none of those actually refer to devils



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* Creator/DiabloCody is not a bad person as far as we know.
* Wrestler Tim Burke (1960–2011) went for the ring name of Lucifer, and was a good person.
* Music/MortGarson used the pseudonym Lucifer for his 1971 album Black Mass, and is also a good person.
* Dunk Rock, vocalist for the Eglish rock band UFX, also went for the nickname of Lucifer.
* Two bishops: Lucifer of Cagliari (d. May 20, 370 or 371) and Lucifer of Siena (c. 306), first bishop of Siena. Lucifer of Cagliari is actually ''a saint''.
* The Luciferase is a class of enzymes that produce bioluminescence and are very useful for many scientific and technological uses.
* The Lucifer is a genus of harmless prawns.
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* ''[[VisualNovel/TearsToTiara]]'' has the Demon Lord Arawn, who's both TheHero of the game and the BigGood of the setting. [[spoiler: Bonus points for him actually being a FallenAngel whose true name is ''Lucifer'', in opposition to the other angels who are genocidal pricks.]]

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* ''[[VisualNovel/TearsToTiara]]'' ''VisualNovel/TearsToTiara'' has the Demon Lord Arawn, who's both TheHero of the game and the BigGood of the setting. [[spoiler: Bonus points for him actually being a FallenAngel whose true name is ''Lucifer'', in opposition to the other angels who are genocidal pricks.]]
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* ''[[VisualNovel/TearsToTiara]]'' has the Demon Lord Arawn, who's both TheHero of the game and the BigGood of the setting. [[spoiler: Bonus points for him actually being a FallenAngel whose true name is ''Lucifer'', in opposition to the other angels who are genocidal pricks.]]
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** There are a few hints, however, that at some long, long ago point of his MysteriousPast he may have been justifiably called Demon King, but as the manga ended years ago on a SequelHook that never materialized and with many unresolved plot points including this one, we'll likely never know.
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* If you can look past the FanService and gratuitous nudity (no small feat, mind), ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDxD'' shows that Devils really aren't all that evil. No more evil than anyone else in the world is capable of being. In the series, the Four Great Satans (Lucifer, Leviathan, Asmodeus, and Beelzebub) are titles given to the leaders of the Devils, with the current Satan Lucifer (the main leader of the Devils) being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure and [[spoiler:Rias' older brother]]. It turns out that while Angels have been fighting Devils for ages, the Holy Bible is merely just the largest piece of propaganda that God ever created. Angels and followers of God maliciously attack them because they were told that they are evil and must be destroyed (They don't show any mercy to normal humans either, which is how the whole series starts.) There are magics in play for each side though. For example, a Devil reading or reciting the Bible will experience pain for trying. The devils usually just try to get by with using their magics to curry favors from clients. They use their magics to fulfill some type of reasonable desire or request, and are paid for their services, but not with people's souls or anything like that. All in all, Devils, and Satan, are just ordinary people trying to live their lives. It's just propaganda that makes the Angels and Fallen Angels give them trouble. However, it should also be noted that just like Devils, Angels and Fallen Angels can be perfectly civil and kind. The ArchangelMichael is pretty much the [[AllLovingHero nicest guy you'll ever meet]], and the leader of the Fallen Angels is pretty reasonable as well. The only thing that really separates the three races from humans is the fact that they have magic powers.

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* If you can look past the FanService and gratuitous nudity (no small feat, mind), ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDxD'' shows that Devils really aren't all that evil. No more evil than anyone else in the world is capable of being. In the series, the Four Great Satans (Lucifer, Leviathan, Asmodeus, and Beelzebub) are titles given to the leaders of the Devils, with the current Satan Lucifer (the main leader of the Devils) being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure and [[spoiler:Rias' older brother]]. It turns out that while Angels have been fighting Devils for ages, the Holy Bible is merely just the largest piece of propaganda that God ever created. Angels and followers of God maliciously attack them because they were told that they are evil and must be destroyed (They don't show any mercy to normal humans either, which is how the whole series starts.) starts). There are magics in play for each side though. For example, a Devil reading or reciting the Bible will experience pain for trying. The devils usually just try to get by with using their magics to curry favors from clients. They use their magics to fulfill some type of reasonable desire or request, and are paid for their services, but not with people's souls or anything like that. All in all, Devils, and Satan, are just ordinary people trying to live their lives. It's just propaganda that makes the Angels and Fallen Angels give them trouble. However, it should also be noted that just like Devils, Angels and Fallen Angels can be perfectly civil and kind. The ArchangelMichael is pretty much the [[AllLovingHero nicest guy you'll ever meet]], and the leader of the Fallen Angels is pretty reasonable as well. The only thing that really separates the three races from humans is the fact that they have magic powers.
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* The Devil as he appears in ''WesternAnimation/DevilMayCare'' is genuinely a nice and friendly guy and, despite the appearance of his true form, is technically still an angel, placed in charge of Hell because his ideas for earth were genuinely terrible. Hell ''used'' to be a place of torment but when he realized that humans didn't like pain, he's been revamping Hell so it's at least bearable, if not an enjoyable place to live. The worst thing about him is that he can be a bit impulsive and prone to not thinking things through and having trouble paying attention at times. That said, it's still a good idea to not ''intentionally'' make him mad or fight him.
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* ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'' references Shin Megami Tensei's usage [[https://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic/archfriend here]].
-->'''Yu''': We did it, guys! And it was all thanks to the power of friendship... ''and'' the power of Satan!
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* The animated clip from DAT's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJf38Lp5CI "Showtime"]] depicts a depressed devil that makes friends with a young woman and falls in love with her. Although he swallows her minutes after they meet and pulls teasingly at her (long) skirt, these are more like pranks, and she seems unharmed. They dance together, ride on a bycicle and embrace, but [[spoiler: their relationship causes the devil to start becoming human and that is very painful to him. With the woman's consent, he erases her memories of him with a tear on his eye before they have a last dance [[StarCrossedLovers and he leaves her for good.]] The song, however, sounds optimistic: " Though I can't see, I can see compassion/Trust in the hope of our future"]]

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* The animated clip from DAT's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJf38Lp5CI "Showtime"]] depicts a depressed devil that makes friends with a young woman and falls in love with her. Although he swallows her minutes soon after they meet and pulls teasingly at her (long) skirt, these are more like pranks, and she seems unharmed. They dance together, ride he drives her on a bycicle bicycle and, when he sees her cry,[[spoiler: he decides to become human, or almost (his horns and embrace, but [[spoiler: their relationship causes the devil wings just become small) to start becoming human stay with her. However, he can't remain much long in this form and that is very painful painfully returns to him. his devilish self.With the woman's consent, he erases her memories of him with a tear on his eye before they have a last dance [[StarCrossedLovers and he leaves her for good.]] The song, however, sounds optimistic: " Though I can't see, I can see compassion/Trust in the hope of our future"]]
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* The animated clip from DAT's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJf38Lp5CI "Showtime"]] depicts a depressed devil that makes friends with a young woman and falls in love with her. Although he swallows her minutes after they meet and pulls teasingly at her (long) skirt, these are more like pranks, and she seems unharmed. They dance together, ride on a bycicle and embrace, but [[spoiler: their relationship causes the devil to start becoming human and that is very painful to him. With the woman's consent, he erases her memories of him with a tear on his eye before they have a last dance [[StarCrossedLovers and he leaves her for good.]] The song, however, sounds optimistic: " Though I can't see, I can see compassion/Trust in the hope of our future"]]
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** And in the SeriesFinale [[spoiler:he returns to Hell to become a ''therapist'' for the damned so that they can move past their guilt and reach Heaven.]]
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** ''Rage of Bahamut'' has Lucifer: A dutiful Arch Seraph who was deceived by his God and punished for his rebellion, turning him into the {{Jerkass}} the players would come to know. It wasn't until the players went back in time and changed his story that he would come out an anti-hero in the end, working from the shadows to protect Mystaria from threats.
** And then there's Lucifer from ''Granblue Fantasy'', the games BigGood and a benevolent entity that only wishes for the prosperity of the Sky Realm. Even after being deceived by his creator and questioning the motives of God, he doesn't stray away from the path of goodness and disposes of those who threaten the safety of the world he protects.

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** ''Rage of Bahamut'' ''VideoGame/RageOfBahamut'' has Lucifer: A dutiful Arch Seraph who was deceived by his God and punished for his rebellion, turning him into the {{Jerkass}} the players would come to know. It wasn't until the players went back in time and changed his story that he would come out an anti-hero in the end, working from the shadows to protect Mystaria from threats.
** And then there's Lucifer from ''Granblue Fantasy'', ''VideoGame/GranblueFantasy'', the games BigGood and a benevolent entity that only wishes for the prosperity of the Sky Realm. Even after being deceived by his creator and questioning the motives of God, he doesn't stray away from the path of goodness and disposes of those who threaten the safety of the world he protects.
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* Cygames has given two different examples, both named Lucifer rather than "satan":
** ''Rage of Bahamut'' has Lucifer: A dutiful Arch Seraph who was deceived by his God and punished for his rebellion, turning him into the {{Jerkass}} the players would come to know. It wasn't until the players went back in time and changed his story that he would come out an anti-hero in the end, working from the shadows to protect Mystaria from threats.
** And then there's Lucifer from ''Granblue Fantasy'', the games BigGood and a benevolent entity that only wishes for the prosperity of the Sky Realm. Even after being deceived by his creator and questioning the motives of God, he doesn't stray away from the path of goodness and disposes of those who threaten the safety of the world he protects.
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* ''ComicBook/TheSandman'':

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** {{God}} is also sympathetic, making this the creative differences version. Indeed the final story makes it seem less like a great cosmic saga and more like the tales of a powerful and distant father and his troubled, bitter son.
** His appearance in ''The Sandman'' is more ambiguous. His first appearance seems rather standard Lord of Damnation, but his later appearances show him as a mostly neutral force in things, trying to live his own life. [[spoiler:Now that he's abandoned Hell. His rant about people choosing to come to Hell and their lies about him stealing souls pissing him off also made him far more sympathetic, if not necessarily good.]] Also, he has style. And he looks like Music/DavidBowie. [[SympathyForTheHero And he can admit to admiring God's work with sunsets]].

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** {{God}} is also sympathetic, making this the creative differences version. Indeed Indeed, the final story makes it seem less like a great cosmic saga and more like the tales of a powerful and distant father and his troubled, bitter son.
** His appearance in ''The Sandman'' is more ambiguous. His first appearance seems rather standard Lord of Damnation, but his later appearances show him as a mostly neutral force in things, trying to live his own life. [[spoiler:Now life, [[spoiler:now that he's abandoned Hell. His rant about people choosing to come to Hell and their lies about him stealing souls pissing him off also made him far more sympathetic, if not necessarily good.]] good]]. Also, he has style. And he looks like Music/DavidBowie. [[SympathyForTheHero And he can admit to admiring God's work with sunsets]].



** Further explored in ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'', with the reveal of the First Of The Fallen. Turns out, Lucifer is A Devil, not THE Devil. His backstory of rebellion against God is the same, but he was not the original evil. When Lucifer is cast into Hell, he finds the First Of the Fallen ''already there''. Lucifer eventually takes control of Hell, but it's only because of sheer power, and he's a half-hearted torturer of souls at best and not actively antagonistic to humanity, mentioning in ''Comicbook/TheSandman'' that the expression "the Devil made me do it" is fundamentally incorrect because he's never made anyone do anything. Indeed, forcing anyone to do anything goes against Lucifer's personal philosophy of freedom at all costs. In contrast, the First Of The Fallen is DEFINITELY what the average person thinks of when they hear the title of The Devil: contemptuous to humanity and reveling in the torture of the souls of the wicked.
*** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited and hesitant in creating as he still had reservations and doubts over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God, with FOF as the first independent entity aside from God. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in misery and suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into what later became Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven inevitably caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get [[MoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. The FOF admits that he already [[HeelRealization realized]] at some point long ago that he had finally become the irredeemable monster which humans had always made him out to be, but it was John Constantine, using knowledge from human Satanic cults, who figured out at last the true nature of FOF as the former conscience of God.

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** Further explored in ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'', with the reveal of the First Of The Fallen. Turns out, Lucifer is A '''a'' Devil, not THE ''the'' Devil. His backstory of rebellion against God is the same, but he was not the original evil. When Lucifer is cast into Hell, he finds the First Of the Fallen ''already there''. Lucifer eventually takes control of Hell, but it's only because of sheer power, and he's a half-hearted torturer of souls at best and not actively antagonistic to humanity, mentioning in ''Comicbook/TheSandman'' ''The Sandman'' that the expression "the Devil made me do it" is fundamentally incorrect because he's never made anyone do anything. Indeed, forcing anyone to do anything goes against Lucifer's personal philosophy of freedom at all costs. In contrast, the First Of of The Fallen is DEFINITELY ''definitely'' what the average person thinks of when they hear the title of The the Devil: contemptuous to humanity and reveling in the torture of the souls of the wicked.
*** Even then, the First of the Fallen still manages to play this trope straight, as he was originally not evil at all but was actually the exact opposite: he was in fact God's own ''Conscience'', which held God back from releasing his full potential as the Creator of Everything (as God was inhibited and hesitant in creating as he still had reservations and doubts over creating anything negative), and was thus split apart by God, with FOF as the first independent entity aside from God. God and the FOF gradually grew distant over their differences of opinion (such as the creation of free will inevitably leading to and resulting in misery and suffering) until FOF was later finally banished from Heaven by God and thrown into what later became Hell for accidentally coming across God in a most embarrassing moment [[spoiler: masturbating [[spoiler:masturbating mindlessly while in a manic state complete with leering and drooling]]. Naturally aggrieved and embittered, FOF then resolved to both expose the Creator to the rest of Creation as being the original [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity [[AlmightyIdiot Madman]], as well as replace the rule of the regime of God in Heaven with what the FOF believed was a lucid alternative i.e. himself. Over the millennia, his endless war and power struggle against Heaven inevitably caused the FOF and his followers to eventually get [[MoralEventHorizon corrupted]] until they ultimately BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. The FOF admits that he already [[HeelRealization realized]] at some point long ago that he had finally become the irredeemable monster which humans had always made him out to be, but it was John Constantine, using knowledge from human Satanic cults, who figured out at last the true nature of FOF as the former conscience of God.

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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which the game also contains, called the Road of the Devil, and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.

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Road of the Adversary, based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which the game also contains, called the Road of the Devil, and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]].
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The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.
** The Setites originally practiced a version syncretized with Egyptian paganism, stylizing the pagan god Set as the Biblical Serpent and a Lucifer figure who opposes evil gods as both a warrior and a trickster in order to free mankind. However, over time, this underwent in-universe MotiveDecay and became a conventional ReligionOfEvil. Out of universe, it was actually the other way round, the Setites having always been a ReligionOfEvil until someone came up with the idea of giving them a more sympathetic original faith for the Dark Ages 20th Anniversary Edition.
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* Satan in ''WebComic/RoosterTeethComics'' is a pretty mellow guy and BenevolentBoss to his demons, and happily honors his promise to allow Matt to come back to life after Matt covers for him when his wife calls. Though technically he's not in charge of Hell anymore: since God [[EasyRoadToHell sends all Mac users to hell]], Apple bought it to use as tech support.

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* Satan in ''WebComic/RoosterTeethComics'' is a pretty mellow guy and BenevolentBoss to his demons, and happily honors his promise to allow Matt to come back to life after Matt covers for him when his wife calls. Though he isn't above committing murder for hire (he's saving up for an air hockey table). And technically he's not in charge of Hell anymore: since God [[EasyRoadToHell sends all Mac users to hell]], Apple bought it to use as tech support.
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* Satan in ''WebComic/RoosterTeethComics'' is a pretty mellow guy and BenevolentBoss to his demons, and happily honors his promise to allow Matt to come back to life as a favor. Compare that to God, who sends all Mac users to hell cause he can't let go of Adam eating the forbidden fruit.

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* Satan in ''WebComic/RoosterTeethComics'' is a pretty mellow guy and BenevolentBoss to his demons, and happily honors his promise to allow Matt to come back to life as a favor. Compare that to God, who after Matt covers for him when his wife calls. Though technically he's not in charge of Hell anymore: since God [[EasyRoadToHell sends all Mac users to hell cause he can't let go of Adam eating the forbidden fruit.hell]], Apple bought it to use as tech support.
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* Satan in ''WebComic/RoosterTeethComics'' is a pretty mellow guy and BenevolentBoss to his demons, and happily honors his promise to allow Matt to come back to life as a favor. Compare that to God, who sends all Mac users to hell cause he can't let go of Adam eating the forbidden fruit.
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* Zigzagged in ''WebComic/ItHurts'': sure, Satan is a colossal jerk (but then again who ''isn't'' in this comic) but he gives Pasqualo some good advice about Pasqualo's place in the universe and told him that [[spoiler:Pasqualo's mother plans on killing God]] and gave Pasqualo a means to stop that from happening. Also it's implied [[spoiler:he and God are ''lovers''.]]
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Another variation is that {{God}} isn't necessarily ''evil''; he and {{Satan}} may just have CreativeDifferences. Or perhaps Satan is willing to play a ZeroApprovalGambit and be a DarkShepherd to help keep people in line, [[HeavensDevils the "stick" to God's "carrot"]]. Or maybe [[NeglectfulPrecursors God]] just doesn't [[TheGodsMustBeLazy care]], or, similarly, he vanished from the universe sometime after making it, and the other angels are evil. It's even possible that he and {{Satan}} are actually [[GodKartingWithBeelzebub good buddies]]. In these versions, if the reasons behind it are mentioned at all, {{Satan}}'s bad reputation may be chalked up to misinterpretation on the part of [[HumansAreBastards mankind]]; particularly if he and {{God}} don't really have anything against each other. It could even be that the entire "warring angels" part never really happened. "Demonizing" the, well, demons could be the work of a CorruptChurch.

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Another variation is that {{God}} isn't necessarily ''evil''; he and {{Satan}} may just have CreativeDifferences. Or perhaps Satan is willing to play a ZeroApprovalGambit and be a DarkShepherd to help keep people in line, [[HeavensDevils the "stick" to God's "carrot"]]. Or maybe [[NeglectfulPrecursors God]] just doesn't [[TheGodsMustBeLazy care]], or, similarly, [[HaveYouSeenMyGod he vanished from the universe sometime after making it, it]], and the other angels are evil. It's even possible that he and {{Satan}} are actually [[GodKartingWithBeelzebub good buddies]]. In these versions, if the reasons behind it are mentioned at all, {{Satan}}'s bad reputation may be chalked up to misinterpretation on the part of [[HumansAreBastards mankind]]; particularly if he and {{God}} don't really have anything against each other. It could even be that the entire "warring angels" part never really happened. "Demonizing" the, well, demons could be the work of a CorruptChurch.
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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which the game also has, called the Road of the Devil, and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.

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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which the game also has, contains, called the Road of the Devil, and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.
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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which is called the Road of the Devil and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.

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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which is the game also has, called the Road of the Devil Devil, and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.
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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which is called the Road of the Devil and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, vampires are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so they do not cooperate.

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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which is called the Road of the Devil and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, vampires kindred on these paths are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so they do not cooperate.there is little to no cooperation. In fact, as protectors of humanity, the Fallen lean towards OmnicidalNeutral when it comes to other supernaturals, probably even those who idolize Lucifer.
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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which is called the Road of the Devil and emphatically ''not'' this trope). Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment.

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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism (which is called the Road of the Devil and emphatically ''not'' this trope). To those on the Road of the Adversary, Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment. Interestingly, despite the similarities to the beliefs of the Fallen, vampires are not aware of the true nature of Lucifer in the setting and so they do not cooperate.
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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism. Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment.

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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism.HollywoodSatanism (which is called the Road of the Devil and emphatically ''not'' this trope). Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment.
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* Similarly, ''TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade'' has the Road of the Adversary, which is based on real Satanism (described above) as opposed to HollywoodSatanism. Lucifer is seen as an inspirational figure for vampires, not as an evil Satan, but as the ultimate rebel and protector of freedom, an example of how to lead a truly free existence. Needless to say, a very popular ideology among [[RebelliousSpirit Clan Brujah]]. The same Clan also contains the Promethean ideology, which is very similar to aforementioned real-world Prometheanism and Luciferianism, and focused on building a shared {{Utopia}} for humans and vampires by pursuing enlightenment.
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** Of course if they don't believe in Satan then [[FridgeBrilliance why do they say so many prayers to him?]]

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** Of course if they don't believe in Satan then [[FridgeBrilliance why do they say so many Laveyan Satanists' prayers to him?]]Satan are, per the few doctrines they have, not meant as a personal request to curry favors but a more abstract plea, not unlike how "bless you" isn't an indication of Christian faith or magic powers on the speaker's part.
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* In ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'', the fallen angel Lucifer [[spoiler:better known as Lucien Renlen, Dark Schneider's alter ego]] fights to protect humanity when all the other angels are trying to exterminate them. However, as it turns out [[spoiler:Satan himself (who's a different character from Lucifer) and TheLegionsOfHell are just as evil as you'd expect]].

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* In ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'', ''Manga/Bastard1988'', the fallen angel Lucifer [[spoiler:better known as Lucien Renlen, Dark Schneider's alter ego]] fights to protect humanity when all the other angels are trying to exterminate them. However, as it turns out [[spoiler:Satan himself (who's a different character from Lucifer) and TheLegionsOfHell are just as evil as you'd expect]].
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* ''The Ancient Gods Part 1'' DLC of ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' finally introduces ''the'' GreaterScopeVillain of the entire franchise, Satan in all but name, and the supreme leader of Hell: Davoth, the Dark Lord. Sure, he caused all of the suffering throughout the franchise, but then it is for one reason: [[LoveMakesYouEvil love.]] Davoth and his demons (and by extension, Hell) were once an ambitious, benevolent race of beings created by [[TopGod The Father]] in Urdak. The Father created Davoth with boundless ambition and love for his people, but this love was so great that Davoth never wished for any of them to die, and so begins his downward spiral as he futilely seeks immortality. As time went on, Davoth starts to become increasingly deranged, and started to use more and more [[MoralEventHorizon depraved methods]] to seek limitless life. His corruption caused his people to start changing as well, turning to the demons that we know today. Sure, Davoth isn't exactly ''good'' anymore, but in complete contrast to every other antagonist before him, who are either mindless beasts or vile, self-serving OmnicidalManiac, Davoth only did it because he didn't want his people to die out before him.

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* ''The Ancient Gods Part 1'' DLC of ''VideoGame/DoomEternal'' finally introduces ''the'' GreaterScopeVillain of the entire franchise, Satan in all but name, and the supreme leader of Hell: [[spoiler: Davoth, the Dark Lord. Sure, he caused all of the suffering throughout the franchise, but then it is for one reason: [[LoveMakesYouEvil love.]] Davoth and his demons (and by extension, Hell) were once an ambitious, benevolent race of beings created by [[TopGod The Father]] in Urdak. The Father created Davoth with boundless ambition and love for his people, but this love was so great that Davoth never wished for any of them to die, and so begins his downward spiral as he futilely seeks immortality. As time went on, Davoth starts to become increasingly deranged, and started to use more and more [[MoralEventHorizon depraved methods]] to seek limitless life. His corruption caused his people to start changing as well, turning to the demons that we know today. Sure, Davoth isn't exactly ''good'' anymore, but in complete contrast to every other antagonist before him, who are either mindless beasts or vile, self-serving OmnicidalManiac, Davoth only did it because he didn't want his people to die out before him.]]
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'''Satan''': I know, great job. Here is your welcome package with cologne, margarita mix, a bottle of Patron and a dance card. Enjoy the eternal party.\\

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'''Satan''': I know, great job. Here is your welcome package with cologne, margarita mix, a bottle of Patron and a dance card. [[AHellOfATime Enjoy the eternal party.\\]]\\
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* Music/MortGarson use the pseudonym Lucifer for his 1971 album Black Mass, and is also a good person.
* Dunk Rock, vocalist for the Eglish rock band UFX also went for the nickname of Lucifer.

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* Music/MortGarson use used the pseudonym Lucifer for his 1971 album Black Mass, and is also a good person.
* Dunk Rock, vocalist for the Eglish rock band UFX UFX, also went for the nickname of Lucifer.

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