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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. The "perfect" solution of "abstinence" is also BegginTheQuestion, since what is actually being advocated is ''abstinence-only education''. 60% of people who have such education will go on to have casual sex anyway, and will 30% less likely to use any form of contraception; the "perfect" solution is statistically massively inferior to the imperfect one.

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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. The "perfect" solution of "abstinence" is also BegginTheQuestion, BeggingTheQuestion, since what is actually being advocated is ''abstinence-only education''. education'' which the argument assumes will result in 0% of people having casual sex. In fact, 60% of people who have such education will go on to have casual sex anyway, and will 30% less likely to use any form of contraception; the "perfect" solution is statistically massively inferior to the imperfect one.
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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. The "perfect" solution of "abstinence" is also a fallacy, since what is actually being advocated is ''abstinence-only education''. 60% of people who have such education will go on to have casual sex anyway, and will 30% less likely to use any form of contraception; the "perfect" solution is statistically massively inferior to the imperfect one.

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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. The "perfect" solution of "abstinence" is also a fallacy, BegginTheQuestion, since what is actually being advocated is ''abstinence-only education''. 60% of people who have such education will go on to have casual sex anyway, and will 30% less likely to use any form of contraception; the "perfect" solution is statistically massively inferior to the imperfect one.
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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time.

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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. The "perfect" solution of "abstinence" is also a fallacy, since what is actually being advocated is ''abstinence-only education''. 60% of people who have such education will go on to have casual sex anyway, and will 30% less likely to use any form of contraception; the "perfect" solution is statistically massively inferior to the imperfect one.
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Abstinence is not 100% effective as an alternative to contraception because 60% of people who recieve \"abstinence only\" sex ed have sex anyway and are then 30% less likely to use contraception.


** The correct way to state the argument is to then point out that Abstinence is 100% effective in preventing unintentional pregnancy and [=STDs=] and then point out that while the odds are low, the consequences when it does happen are still severe enough to consider.
*** 100%? What about the Virgin Mary?
*** You can also catch an STD if from contaminated needles, so it's not 100% there either.

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I\'m sorry, but that line has been buggig me for a long time, I think its based on am isunderstanding of what\'s meant with the idea of God of the gaps. Essentially, gods are always defined as being just outside our current knowledge. Defining God as \"exists in everything\" is jsut another way of defining the concept so its just outside what we can know.


* Amoung people opposed to welfare, it's used thus: "In spite of welfare, there are still poor people, therefore welfare doesn't work."

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* Amoung Among people opposed to welfare, it's used thus: "In spite of welfare, there are still poor people, therefore welfare doesn't work."



** Not only that, those who make that claim (as Christians, at least) have failed to grasp the essence of God: that He exists in EVERYTHING, not just the "gaps."
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** Likewise, in many cases the anti-vaccine group uses the potential for side effects to argue against vaccines in their entirety, often failing to do a cost-benefit analysis for the vaccines. For example, the smallpox vaccine carries a very real risk, as it is composed of a live virus (the cowpox virus). If one chooses to vaccinate a country with the smallpox vaccine, some people will get sick with cowpox. However, when the world began vaccinating against smallpox, an estimated two million deaths per year were due to smallpox, with many of the remaining cases becoming disfigured. [[http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0901/p889.html This link summarizes the costs of vaccination (warning: graphic images of disease state).]] The world chose eradication, knowing some people would be adversely affected by the vaccine, over the millions more who would die terribly from smallpox. Furthermore, because of the vaccine, smallpox was ''eradicated'' in 1979; the vaccine would be irrelevant today if it weren't that some nations may attempt to weaponize the virus.
** Penn and Teller explain this fallacy and its relevance to vaccines for laypersons [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo here]]. NSFW due to strong language, as expected from Penn and Teller.
** Opportunistic vendors of quack medicine use this fallacy all the time in the US. US law requires full disclosure of any and all side effects or known problems with any conventional, approved medical intervention. However, if a product makes no specific claims about treating a condition, symptom, or disease, then it is not bound to do so. As long as a product sticks to empty statements like, "Boosts your immune system!" and not specific, testable claims like, "Causes 95% of test subjects to develop Memory B cells capable of a rapid response on second exposure to Pathogen X!", the sellers of these products escape government oversight, regulation, and liability. These folks can point out the shortcomings of science-based medicine, but are under no obligation to provide scientific testing for their product and cannot be taken to task for failing to do so. Naturally, using this fallacy is in the marketing toolbox for these products.

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* Among people opposed to welfare, it's used thus: "In spite of welfare, there are still poor people, therefore welfare doesn't work."

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* Among Amoung people opposed to welfare, it's used thus: "In spite of welfare, there are still poor people, therefore welfare doesn't work.""
** This is not n example, since those who make that argument would say that welfare has no effect on poverty, and thus the opportunity cost is wasted.
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*** You can also catch an STD if from contaminated needles, so it's not %100 there either.

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*** You can also catch an STD if from contaminated needles, so it's not %100 100% there either.
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*** You can catch an STD if from contaminated needles, so it's not %100 there either.

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*** You can also catch an STD if from contaminated needles, so it's not %100 there either.
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*** You can catch an STD if from contaminated needles, so it's not %100 there either.
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*** 100%? What about the Virgin Mary?
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**The correct way to state the argument is to then point out that Abstinence is 100% effective in preventing unintentional pregnancy and [=STDs=] and then point out that while the odds are low, the consequences when it does happen are still severe enough to consider.
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* Used in several episodes of [[{{PennAndTellerBullshit}} Penn & Teller: Bullshit!]]. When discussing the American Disabilities Act, P&T take a man and his iron lung for a walk through town, noting several ADA-compliant shops and facilities that cannot accomodate him. No matter what accomodations a business implements, they state, somebody will always be left out, so why should the government be allowed to set and enforce an arbitrary standard?
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* Rejecting the presentation of something as an alternative to the current course of action when it is only actually suited as a complement to it; in this instance, the inability to provide 100% replacement means it cannot be regarded as an alternative. For example, "alternative" electrical sources are not capable of providing 100% of a country's energy needs, and therefore cannot be accurately described as an alternative to more conventional generating methods.
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* The "God of the gaps" argument of theology, as used by creationists to discredit evolution: those things that science is not able to explain must have come from God. Of course, when science does present explanations for things previously unexplained, God is still in the ''remaining'' gaps; this is Moving The Goalposts, of course.

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* The "God of the gaps" argument of theology, as used by creationists to discredit evolution: those things that science is not able to explain must have come from God. Of course, when science does present explanations for things previously unexplained, God is still in the ''remaining'' gaps; this is Moving The Goalposts, MovingTheGoalposts, of course.
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** Not only that, those who make that claim (as Christians, at least) have failed to grasp the essence of God: that He exists in EVERYTHING, not the "gaps."

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** Not only that, those who make that claim (as Christians, at least) have failed to grasp the essence of God: that He exists in EVERYTHING, not just the "gaps."
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** Not only that, those who make that claim (as Christians, at least) have failed to grasp the essence of God: that He exists in EVERYTHING, not the "gaps."
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Not exactly; they're not alternatives if they can't do the same job. Solar panels are extremely expensive and don't generate a lot of power; there are also entire countries they're not well suited to. That's very much a legitimate complaint re: their ability as an alternative source of power (as opposed to their ability to complement existing power generation methods)


* Often used to argue against alternatives to fossil fuels, saying that the proposed solution (ie solar panels) won't be enough or work in all locations.

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* Often used to argue against alternatives to fossil fuels, saying that the proposed solution (ie solar panels) won't be enough or work in all locations.

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Nobody actually makes that argument. Natter baleeted.


* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time.
** On the other hand, arguing that a 2% chance is equivalent to a 0% chance is taking the fallacy in the opposite direction...

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* People who attempt to scare people into abstaining from sex often use this fallacy, with the argument that since condoms don't prevent pregnancy and [=STDs=] ''100% of the time'', they are useless; never mind that they do so over 98% of the time. \n** On the other hand, arguing that a 2% chance is equivalent to a 0% chance is taking the fallacy in the opposite direction...
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** Though as the the above example, it also resulted in some members of the porn industry being shocked that the system was not 100% perfect.

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looks like natter. sorry if I'm mistaken.


* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[hottip:* :Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality]]. This inevitably results in a form of philosophical masturbation called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism solipsism]] since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own consciousness.
** I hope you're not using the word "consciousness" literally, because we dream sometimes when unconcious.

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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it[[hottip:* :Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality]]. This inevitably results in a form of philosophical masturbation called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism solipsism]] since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own consciousness.
** I hope you're not using the word "consciousness" literally, because we dream sometimes when unconcious.
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* Often used to argue against alternatives to fossil fuels, saying that the proposed solution (ie solar panels) won't be enough or work in all locations.
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** On the other hand, arguing that a 2% chance is equivalent to a 0% chance is taking the fallacy in the opposite direction...
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** I hope you're not using the word "consciousness" literally, because we dream sometimes when unconcious.
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We are never fair.


** Although to be fair, with or without this fallacy, the fact that it is cruel to animals ought to be reason enough.
*** Ought it really? War is cruel to humans, but we do it (ostensibly) to prevent a greater tragedy. Crop dusting is cruel to insects, but it improves grain yeild vastly, and so by extension, saves people from dieing of hunger (there were less people around before crop dusting). Yes animal testing is, in an immediate sense, cruel to the actual animals used in the testing; but to state that there is no point of view that can justify this cruelty with its benefeit to humanity, and possibly other animals, is facile.
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This fallacy is the basis of the proverbial admonition, "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it. This inevitably results in a form of philosophical masturbation called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism solipsism]] since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own consciousness.

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* The ultimate example is rejecting anything you like on the basis that it has been imperfectly proven; for example, rejecting the existence of China on the basis that you have never seen it.it[[hottip:*:Or if you have seen it, rejecting the certainty that your own memories aren't lying to you, or if you are seeing it right now, rejecting the certainty that what you're seeing reflects some external reality]]. This inevitably results in a form of philosophical masturbation called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism solipsism]] since it is impossible to prove beyond all ''possible'' doubt anything barring your own consciousness.
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***Ought it really? War is cruel to humans, but we do it (ostensibly) to prevent a greater tragedy. Crop dusting is cruel to insects, but it improves grain yeild vastly, and so by extension, saves people from dieing of hunger (there were less people around before crop dusting). Yes animal testing is, in an immediate sense, cruel to the actual animals used in the testing; but to state that there is no point of view that can justify this cruelty with its benefeit to humanity, and possibly other animals, is facile.
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* Used often by anti-vaccinationists. Their reasoning: a particular measles vaccine only protects 95% of the time, so they'd rather take their chances with a potentially fatal disease. This reasoning ignores that, due to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity herd immunity]], 95% of the time is more than enough.

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* Used often by anti-vaccinationists. Their reasoning: a particular measles vaccine only protects 95% of the time, so they'd rather take their chances with a potentially fatal disease. This In addition to being an instance of this fallacy, this reasoning also ignores that, due to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity herd immunity]], 95% of the time is more than enough.
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** Although to be fair, with or without this fallacy, the fact that it is cruel to animals ought to be reason enough.

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