History Main / OrderIsNotGood

** The Instruments of the First Will, a {{Cult}} dedicated to [[spoiler:[[GreaterScopeVillain Juno]]]], is even worse, as they lack even the limited standards of the Templars, and instead want to enforce [[spoiler:the reinstitution of [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil slavery]] of mankind to the remaining [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Isu]] and are even more hateful of free will.

* ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'': For the most part, the Templars faction is the force of order in the verse and the main antagonist, apparently having conspiracies that make them behind many things in history.

* The factions in ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}'' are split on Order and Chaos. Order is presented with bright blue colors, more pleasant scenery and an angelic Titan, but according to the backstory, the Order side is made to subjugate mankind who were drifting away from [[GodsNeedPrayersBadly giving prayers to the Gods]], to restore the order of old. Chaos values the freedom and protection of mankind, but is represented with red color, dark scenery and a fiery, brutish Titan. And according to the supplemental materials like the comics, more virtuous deities like Athena are on the Chaos side...

* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' introduced the Borg Collective: a society whose citizens have their brains wired together, creating a hardwired HiveMind. The Borg live in their cube-shaped spacecraft, and cherry-pick other civilizations back to the Bronze Age. Until their second encounter with Captain Picard, the Borg had seemed an irresistible force. "Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

However, there are a lot of stories here to tell that freedom and the moral hero are the true measures of goodness. So what if they're on the opposite side to those creating order? What if the lawmakers are restricting freedom and being [[PowerCorrupts corrupted by power]]? Or what if, simply, those aren't charge aren't really doing any bad, but their subordinates want a new kind of order? Order is not going to be presented as a bit of a hurdle, but to retain the simplicity of BlackAndWhiteMorality by making the concept of Order not good.

* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', the Shivering Isles expansion exaggerates this by having the realm of madness be invaded by Knights of Order, whose vision of order is turning the whole place into a desolate lifeless wasteland, filled with gray crystalline structures. The player works with Sheogorath, the Daedric Prince of Madness, in order to stop this from happening.

* ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'': Superman's Regime is an absolutely totalitarian and brutal government that aims to impose peace through fear, and has made countless of victims across Earth and beyond (many of them were his former allies). It still acknowledged as a force of order that managed to end warfare and conflict, to the point the [[WarGod Greek God of War Ares]] is extremely weakened with no more strife and violence to feed him, allowing mortal heroes to kick his ass. When the Regime is toppled, balance is completely ruined and the order enforced by the Regime crumbles with supervillains coming out of the woodwork to fill in the power gap. In the [[VideoGame/Injustice2 sequel]], {{ComicBook/Brainiac}} invades Earth and the Lords of Order, PowersThatBe who watch over balance, allow it to happen because it will restore order to Earth - even though Brainiac will [[PlanetLooters harvest all valuable contents]] and [[OmnicidalManiac destroy what is left]], and attempting to stop him will trigger a ''potentially worse disaster in the horizon''.

There are also cases where BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous, and GodAndSatanAreBothJerks with GreyAndGrayMorality. However, if this trope is in effect, even if Chaos is presented as a dangerous force, at the very least [[ALighterShadeOfGrey it will be shown as]] [[AffablyEvil a more affable force and perhaps more fun instead of overly restricting.]]

* ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'': Superman's Regime is an absolutely totalitarian and brutal government that aims to impose peace through fear, and has made countless of victims across Earth and beyond (many of them were his former allies). It still acknowledged as a force of order that managed to end warfare and conflict, to the point the [[WarGod Greek God of War Ares]] is extremely weakened with no more strife and violence to feed him, allowing mortal heroes to kick his ass. When the Regime is toppled, balance is completely ruined and the order enforced by the Regime crumbles with supervillains coming out of the woodwork to fill in the power gap. In the [[VideoGame/Injustice2 sequel]], {{ComicBook/Brainiac}} invades Earth and the Lords of Order, PowersThatBe who watch over balance, allow it to happen because it will restore order to Earth - even though Brainiac will [[PlanetLooters harvest all valuable contents]] and [[OmnicidalManiac destroy what is left]], and attempting to stop him will trigger a ''potentially worse disaster is in the horizon''.

There are also cases where BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous, and GodAndSatanAreBothJerks with GreyAndGrayMorality.

The force of Order may be known as 'Always LawfulEvil', and the heroes are ChaoticGood saviours, though both sides may be shown with GreyingMorality -- this is a specialty of the gritty films that like to use this trope, and so there will be either an AntiHero or AntiVillain (and sometimes both in the same work, but this is less common). Despite so, sometimes LawfulGood characters will still exist in this kind of conflict. However, they're usually portrayed as someone who [[GoodIsDumb has good intentions, but is blinded by the propaganda of the bad order that they were instead causing more harm by following the law]], and it is up to the ChaoticGood heroes to shove the truth about that order to the LawfulGood character, prompting them to become a DefectorFromDecadence and maybe shift into NeutralGood. In a way, this portrays LawfulGood as the least favorable amongst Good alignment, it's still better than other Neutral or Evil alignments, but less moral than Chaotic or Neutral Good.

The force of Order may be known as 'Always LawfulEvil', and the heroes are ChaoticGood saviours, though both sides may be shown with GreyingMorality -- this is a specialty of the gritty films that like to use this trope, and so there will be either an AntiHero or AntiVillain (and sometimes both in the same work, but this is less common). Despite so, sometimes LawfulGood characters will still exist in this kind of conflict. However, they're usually portrayed as someone who [[GoodIsDumb has good intentions, but is blinded by the propaganda of the bad order that they were instead causing more harm by following the law]], and it is up to the ChaoticGood heroes to shove the truth about that order to the LawfulGood character, prompting them to become a DefectorFromDecadance and maybe shift into NeutralGood. In a way, this portrays LawfulGood as the least favorable amongst Good alignment, it's still better than other Neutral or Evil alignments, but less moral than Chaotic or Neutral Good.

The force of Order may be known as 'Always LawfulEvil', and the heroes are ChaoticGood saviours, though both sides may be shown with GreyingMorality -- this is a specialty of the gritty films that like to use this trope, and so there will be either an AntiHero or AntiVillain (and sometimes both in the same work, but this is less common).

This may deteriorate to Order being presented as a fascist state that either believes in TheEvilsOfFreeWill, or a WellIntentionedExtremist ruler that believes the people are endangering themselves and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans a bit of genocide can work for the greater good]] (and they tend to promote it for [[VillainWithGoodPublicity an attempt on good publicity]]). In these cases, the people may either [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil suffer and know it]] but be generally unable to rebel, or [[BreadAndCircuses be blind to the true state of affairs]]. The hero will be able to break free of either situation, by enlightenment and/or strength, and rescue their world. They may also sympathise with the order-bringers, because even though they are rule-breakers, they're the good ones. However, they will think that all the claims ForTheGreaterGood spewed by the Order is [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical and inexcusable, no amount of merits can excuse that.]]

This may deteriorate to Order being presented as a fascist state that either believes in TheEvilsOfFreeWill, or a WellIntentionedExtremist ruler that believes the people are endangering themselves and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans a bit of genocide can work for the greater good]], all while promoting that they are doing it ForTheGreaterGood. In these cases, the people may either [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil suffer and know it]] but be generally unable to rebel, or [[BreadAndCircuses be blind to the true state of affairs]]. The hero will be able to break free of either situation, by enlightenment and/or strength, and rescue their world. They may also sympathise with the order-bringers, because even though they are rule-breakers, they're the good ones. However, they will think that all the claims ForTheGreaterGood spewed by the Order is [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical and inexcusable, no amount of merits can excuse that.]]

This may deteriorate to Order being presented as a fascist state that either believes in TheEvilsOfFreeWill, or a WellIntentionedExtremist ruler that believes the people are endangering themselves and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans a bit of genocide can work for the greater good]]. In these cases, the people may either [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil suffer and know it]] but be generally unable to rebel, or [[BreadAndCircuses be blind to the true state of affairs]]. The hero will be able to break free of either situation, by enlightenment and/or strength, and rescue their world. They may also sympathise with the order-bringers, because even though they are rule-breakers, they're the good ones.

Compare LightIsNotGood, GodIsEvil, SatanIsGood, LibertyOverProsperity. Contrast PassionIsEvil.

Compare LightIsNotGood, GodIsEvil, SatanIsGood, LibertyOverProsperity. Contrast AlwaysChaoticEvil and PassionIsEvil.

OrderVsChaos exist, true. Most of the time, Order represent law and goodness while ChaosIsEvil. God or Angels tend to favor Order. So the common interpretation is that Order is mostly on the good side.

However, with the values put onto freedom as the ultimate values of goodness, some starts to think otherwise. Order puts on restrain onto some people's freedom, and this gets easily abused by people who wanted more power for themselves. In addition of this, the community welcomes the types of people that 'goes against the rules', where AllGirlsWantBadBoys and GoodIsBoring. As such, Order starts to get a bad rap of being a {{Hypocrite}} or a fascist state, often portrayed as a force of KnightTemplar who [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill removes free wills willy nilly]] [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans just to reach their hypothetical utopia]] where usually the people are 'safe' under their rule, but their idyllic life is empty, devoid of freedom and individual uniqueness. Also most likely, people will suffer under their reign. We often see stories of rebellious rebels that go against the society's laws, in order to reclaim the freedom of the innocents and their own freedom, knowing that such utopia are bullcrap and only a mask to cover the nefarious evil desires of the bringer of orders, mostly domination and control over others. Slavery is also a common tool used by these evil orders, and [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil since slavery is very frowned]], that makes a villain material.

In a word, a force of Order is often labelled as '[[AlwaysChaoticEvil Always]] LawfulEvil', whereas the heroes, usually [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], are known to be ChaoticGood saviors, while in truth, things are usually more complicated, that's why LawfulGood and ChaoticEvil exist. However, it also makes a good way to [[GreyingMorality gray things out]], where the purported force of good isn't as good as it seems, and the purported force of evil isn't as evil as it seems. However, it's not as extreme as the case of GreyAndGrayMorality where both Order and Chaos are capable of having good things.

They may say that under their order, people lived a better life with higher class and they are more protected. But the heroes' retorts usually boil down to "What's the point of all those if you curb the people's freedom and individuality in process and make people suffer? We are NOT your mindless drones!" So even if Order would have given good benefits, these kind of Order's benefits are considered sham, because stamping out the freedom of people is largely considered a MoralEventHorizon. Whatever suffering the people went through will always be considered outweighing the long-term benefits.

This often go hand in hand with TheEmpire, whose creed are often 'bringing order to (insert region here)'. Rebellious characters such as [[LovableRogue Lovable Rogues]], [[GentlemanThief Gentleman Thieves]] or [[JustLikeRobinHood those who steals from the rich and give to the poor]] are more likely to become unquestionable heroes or champions of freedom in conflicts like this, with the RebelLeader probably being the BigGood of the always good LaResistance who chooses LibertyOverProsperity. Conflicts like this tend to have [[SlidingScaleOfLibertarianismAndAuthoritarianism heroes heavy on the Libertarianism scale while villains being heavy on the Authoritarianism scale]].

However, there are cases where BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous.

Compare LightIsNotGood, GodIsEvil, TheEvilsOfFreeWill, UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, SatanIsGood. Or at times, when GodAndSatanAreBothJerks. This trope is the opposite of PassionIsEvil.

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However, with the values put onto freedom as the ultimate values of goodness, some starts to think otherwise. Order puts on restrain onto some people's freedom, and this gets easily abused by people who wanted more power for themselves. In addition of this, the community welcomes the types of people that 'goes against the rules', where AllGirlsWantBadBoys and GoodIsBoring. As such, Order starts to get a bad rap of being a {{Hypocrite}} or a fascist state, often portrayed as a force of KnightTemplar who [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill removes free wills willy nilly]] [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans just to reach their hypothetical utopia]] where usually the people are 'safe' under their rule, but their idyllic life is empty, devoid of freedom and individual uniqueness. We often see stories of rebellious rebels that go against the society's laws, in order to reclaim the freedom of the innocents and their own freedom, knowing that such utopia are bullcrap and only a mask to cover the nefarious evil desires of the bringer of orders, mostly domination and control over others. Slavery is also a common tool used by these evil orders, and [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil since slavery is very frowned]], that makes a villain material.

They may say that under their order, people lived a better life with higher class and they are more protected. But the heroes' retorts usually boil down to "What's the point of all those if you curb the people's freedom and individuality in process? We are NOT your mindless drones!" So even if Order would have given good benefits, these kind of Order's benefits are considered sham, because stamping out the freedom of people is largely considered a MoralEventHorizon.

* Corey Messer's FurryWebcomic ''Webcomic/PlushAndBlood'' focuses on Fox and Grey, two of the last resistance fighters against President Brown and his Broken Circle party. Brown maintains a StepfordSuburbia by brainwashing a percentage of citizens into HiveMind social agents. The peace that results, in Brown's mind, justifies his ironclad rule.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Fascism]] at its core is a political system which demands complete and utter loyalty to the state above all else, with absolutely no signs of dissent tolerated. Even aside from the lack of freedom ("You'd be happier doing this job, living here and marrying this person? Tough!"), this leads to AllCrimesAreEqual (since all crimes harm the state), and the populace living on a knife edge; very much a dystopia born from too much order.

* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', the Shivering Isles expansion exaggerates this by having the realm of madness be invaded by Knights of Order, whose vision of order is turning the whole place into a desolate lifeless wasteland, filled with gray crystalline structures. The player works with the God of Madness in order to stop this from happening.

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* ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' and his allies from Knothole Village battle the {{KillerRobot}}s and BrainwashedAndCrazy roboticized citizens controlled by Doctor Ivo Robotnik. While this started as a ''coup d'etat'' against the rightful monarchy, Robotnik now seeks to [[AGodAmI convert all sentient creatures]] of Mobius into his personal servant corps.

* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'': As it turns out, [[spoiler:the Goddess of Order Asheara is the BigBad and wanting to create a world on her design, which requires the living beings in the world turn to stone. On the other hand, the resident Goddess of Chaos, Yune, is more personable]].

* ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' attempts to be [[GreyAndGrayMorality gray on both sides]], but in execution, it may leave less than desired. ComicBook/IronMan, agreeing the Superhero Registration Act (Order), proceeded to enact many questionable edicts that curbs down a lot of freedom of people, even other superheroes. ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, not amused with this, sided with the Anti-Registration (Freedom/Chaos), and fought against the Registration people and usually becoming the more favored side by the fans. In the end, Cap lost, but Iron Man's run caused many problems that made people lose trust of his order, which was exacerbated when Norman Osborn replaced him as the director of SHIELD (and attempts to bring his brand of order as opposed to [[ComicBook/GreenGoblin his usual self]]), and when Iron Man finally reunited with Cap, burying their hatchet, to take down Norman, it convinces the government that the Superhero Registration Act is harmful and ends up abolished.

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They may say that under their order, people lived a better life with higher class and they are more protected. But the heroes' retorts usually boil down to "What's the point of all those if you curb the people's freedom in process? We are NOT your mindless drones!" So even if Order would have given good benefits, these kind of Order's benefits are considered sham, because stamping out the freedom of people is largely considered a MoralEventHorizon.