History Main / MoreThanInfinite

''Not'' to be confused with UpToEleven, ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill, or ReadingsAreOffTheScale. Tentatively related to MyKungFuIsStronger, but ''only'' applies if the being your kung fu is stronger against is an [[TheOmnipotent omnipotent]] being.

* The cosmic hierarchy of the Marvel universe runs on this trope. Cosmic Cubes (and the beings created from them), for example, have explicitly infinite power, but Celestials are multiple levels of infinity beyond them. The Celestials themselves are several rungs below the cosmic abstracts like Death and Eternity, who are powerless against a wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet, which is itself weaker than the Living Tribunal. Of course, the Living Tribunal is merely a creation and servant of [[{{God}} the One Above All]].

* The cosmic hierarchy of the Marvel universe runs on this trope. Cosmic Cubes (and the beings created from them), for example, have explicitly infinite power, but Celestials are multiple levels of infinity beyond them. The Celestials themselves are several rungs below the cosmic abstracts like Death and Eternity, who are powerless against a wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet, which is itself weaker than the Living Tribunal. Of course, the Living Tribunal is merely a creation and servant of [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/God The-One-Above-All]].

* In ''Manga/{{Digimon V-Tamer 01}}'', Taichi and Zeromaru discover a level of Digivolution ''beyond'' Ultimate, appropriately named Super Ultimate. (Note that the "Ultimate" level is called "Mega" in earlier translations). This makes one conversation in the English dub of [[Anime/DigimonAdventure the first series]] HilariousInHindsight. When Miyotismon becomes [=VenomMiyotismon=], a Mega-level Digimon, TheTeam had up until that point, only seen Digimon as high as Ultimate (or what was called "Ultimate" in the dub) and were incredulous that there would be a level beyond Ultimate, saying something to the effect of "What is he, then? Super-Mega-Ultimate!?"

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[BiggerBad dark will]] of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategises as well, targeting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's SituationalSword are neutralised during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru gets so angry that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponised form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[BiggerBad dark will]] of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategises as well, targeting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's SituationalSword are neutralised during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru [[CameBackStrong gets so angry]] that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponised form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

The InfinityPlusOneSword does not work this way.

* ''KamenRiderOOO'' explains that OOO's name is an infinity symbol plus an O; thus, his true power is literally MoreThanInfinite. However, he hasn't yet reached this level.

This counterattack is usually reserved for a character that is [[TheOmnipotent omnipotent]] because this is the only kind of character who could believable have 'infinite power'.

->''"Your Divine Serpent's strength may be infinte, but it's still not enough; for now there is a force beyond infinite!"''

[[note]]Minor footnote type thing: It should be noted that there are degrees of infinity; the number of points in a line is less infinite than the number of curves that can be drawn on a plane, but more infinite than the number of integers; this still doesn't make most "more infinite than infinite" plot points make any sense but it's not as absurd as one would think. There's also a notion from mathematics and computer science of something having ''unbounded size'' but still being finite. This means that the thing, call it Attack Power, could grow to any arbitrarily-large finite number on command, but won't become infinite. An unboundedly finite number can still be smaller than any larger number or than any infinity.[[/note]]

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[BiggerBad dark will]] of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategises as well, targeting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's HealingShiv SituationalSword are neutralised during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru [[CameBackStrong gets so angry]] that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponised form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[UltimateEvil dark will]] of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategises as well, targeting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's HealingShiv SituationalSword are neutralised during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru [[CameBackStrong gets so angry]] that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponised form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': When Aizen transcends both Shinigami and Hollow in Deicide, even before that his reiatsu was so high that normal Shinigami could not sense it. He was literally in a dimension of power of his own, even able to destroy Koutotsu, a "Being of Reason" that no Shinigami could harm. For Ichigo to defeat him, his three months of Jinzen training in the Dangai propelled his reiatsu levels to such great heights that Aizen himself could no longer sense his power. As a result, Ichigo needed to [[spoiler: lose his Shinigami powers]] in the fight so the story could continue for at least two more arcs.

* In ''Manga/{{Digimon V-Tamer 01}}'', Taichi and Zeromaru discover a level of Digivolution ''beyond'' Ultimate, appropriately named Super Ultimate. (Note that the "Ultimate" level is called "Mega" in earlier translations).
** Which makes one conversation in the English dub of [[Anime/DigimonAdventure the first series]] rather HilariousInHindsight. When Miyotismon becomes [=VenomMiyotismon=], a Mega-level Digimon, the team had up until that point, only seen Digimon as high as Ultimate (or what was called "Ultimate" in the dub) and were completely incredulous that there would be a level beyond Ultimate, saying something to the effect of "What is he, then? Super-Mega-Ultimate!?"

The scenario is thus: you are facing down a [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien god-like being]] whose powers really are impossible for you to match. They are infinite in their potential, going way infinitely into googolplex-in-base 13 levels. There is absolutely no way you can defeat it, until...

Some DeusExMachina gives you the chance to pull off a wicked combo that somehow calculates your power level past your opponent's; whereas they have infinite power, yours is MoreThanInfinite, and under ''that'' kind of might, they don't stand a chance.

Usually only reserved for a BigBad that is so massively [[TheOmnipotent omnipotent]], our mortal protagonists need a miracle to to turn things around. Of course, if you ''have'' to use this trope, then you've already got an absurd scenario that strains the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief to the shattering point, and/or showing just how MarySue/Marty Stu your hero really is.

[[note]]Minor footnote type thing: It should be noted that there are degrees of infinity; the number of points in a line is less infinite than the number of curves that can be drawn on a plane, but more infinite than the number of integers; this still doesn't make most "more infinite than infinite" plot points make any sense, though. There's also a notion from mathematics and computer science of something being having ''unbounded size'' but still being finite. This just means that the thing, call it Attack Power, could grow to any arbitrarily-large finite number on command, but won't actually become infinite. An unboundedly finite number can still be smaller than any larger number or than any infinity.[[/note]]

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[UltimateEvil dark will]] of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategises as well, targeting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's HealingShiv SituationalSword are neutralized during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru [[CameBackStrong gets so angry]] that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponized form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[UltimateEvil dark will]] of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategies as well, targeting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's HealingShiv SituationalSword are neutralized during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru [[CameBackStrong gets so angry]] that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponized form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

** During the show's Memory World arc, to defeat the BigBad Zorc Necrophades, one of Atem's priests (who disturbingly resembled Yugi's grandfather) summoned Exodia, a monster who was apparently so powerful (in the anime, his total ATK was infinite), he needed to be split up into five pieces. Even so, Zorc exploited the fact that Exodia needed the priest's life energy to remain manifest, draining that energy in the fight while he remained MoreThanInfinite thanks to his power being sustained by the darkness.

** At the end of the Doma arc the BigBad, Dartz somehow managed to summon a monster with infinite attack points. Yugi responds by having two of his monsters attack, bouncing the attack between then until it reached infinity and then having a third monster attack to exceed infinity and destroy Dartz' monster.

-->--'''Yami Yugi''' to '''Dartz''', '''''Anime/YuGiOh'''''

** Which begs the question: What would happen if there were [[MirrorMatch two]] [[LogicBomb of]] [[DivideByZero them]] [[YinYangClash on the field]] [[OhCrap at]] [[ApocalypseWow once?]]
*** If you look, The Wicked Avatar excludes a duplicate of itself.

** In the real ''[[TabletopGame/YuGiOh Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' trading card game all of the examples above would lose to 'The Wicked Avatar', whose ATK is equal to the ATK of the strongest monster on the field [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter plus 100]]. This is put to the test when it's used in the ''Manga/YuGiOhR'' manga; it's able to dominate virtually ''everything'' used against it, including Kaiba's Blue-Eyes and Yugi's Slifer the Sky Dragon (an ''Egyptian God'' whose power level is variable depending on the number of cards in its controller's hand, ''and'' who can reduce an opponent's monster's ATK and DEF by 2000, when that monster's summoned, an ability that, of course, did ''nothing'' to The Wicked Avatar). It was only taken down by Yugi's Obelisk the Tormentor, after it uses its effect to power up its ATK to infinite. However, in this case, it's a ''subversion'', as the game physics for the manga actually follow real-world mathematics and consider "∞ + 1" to still be equal to "∞", meaning both monsters are considered to have equal ATK and, thus, [[DoubleKnockout do each other in]].

Usually only reserved for a BigBad that is so massively [[TheOmnipotent omnipotent]], our mortal protagonists need a miracle to to turn things around. Of course, if you ''have'' to use this trope, then you've already got an absurd scenario that strains the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief to the shattering point, and/or showing just how {{Mary Sue}}/{{Marty Stu}} your hero really is.

''Not'' to be confused with UpToEleven, ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill, or OverNineThousand. Tentatively related to MyKungFuIsStronger, but ''only'' applies if the being your kung fu is stronger against is an [[TheOmnipotent omnipotent]] being.

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** In the real ''TabletopGame/YuGiOh'' trading card game all of the examples above would lose to 'The Wicked Avatar', whose ATK is equal to the ATK of the strongest monster on the field [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter plus 100]]. This is put to the test when it's used in the ''Manga/YuGiOhR'' manga; it's able to dominate virtually ''everything'' used against it, including Kaiba's Blue-Eyes and Yugi's Slifer the Sky Dragon (an ''Egyptian God'' whose power level is variable depending on the number of cards in its controller's hand, ''and'' who can reduce an opponent's monster's ATK and DEF by 2000, when that monster's summoned, an ability that, of course, did ''nothing'' to The Wicked Avatar). It was only taken down by Yugi's Obelisk the Tormentor, after it uses its effect to power up its ATK to infinite. However, in this case, it's a ''subversion'', as the game physics for the manga actually follow real-world mathematics and consider "∞ + 1" to still be equal to "∞", meaning both monsters are considered to have equal ATK and, thus, [[DoubleKnockout do each other in]].

** If you look, The Wicked Avatar excludes a duplicate of itself.
* This was bound to happen eventually on ''TengenToppaGurrenLagann'', the TropeNamer of BeyondTheImpossible. In the final showdown, [[spoiler:the effectively omnipotent BigBad ''throws a Big Bang'' at the good guys. One of them then ''absorbs the attack'' (via HeroicSacrifice) and channels its power into the good guys']] Indescribably HumongousMecha, making its power More Than Infinite and allowing [[spoiler:them to finish off the enemy]].
* In ''{{Digimon V-Tamer 01}}'', Taichi and Zeromaru discover a level of Digivolution ''beyond'' Ultimate, appropriately named Super Ultimate. (Note that the "Ultimate" level is called "Mega" in earlier translations).
** Which makes one conversation in the English dub of the first series rather HilariousInHindsight. When Miyotismon becomes [=VenomMiyotismon=], a Mega-level Digimon, the team had up until that point, only seen Digimon as high as Ultimate (or what was called "Ultimate" in the dub) and were completely incredulous that there would be a level beyond Ultimate, saying something to the effect of "What is he, then? Super-Mega-Ultimate!?"
* ''{{InuYasha}}'': When Sesshoumaru is [[HowTheMightyHaveFallen rendered weaponless]], [[BigBad Naraku]] decides that's the perfect moment to steal the [[DismantledMacGuffin last jewel shard]] that Sesshoumaru is [[{{Protectorate}} protecting]]. He does this by releasing the [[UltimateEvil dark will]] of the [[ArtefactOfDoom Shikon no Tama]] itself. Not only is this the most powerful evil in the entire story, but it actually strategies as well, targetting Sesshoumaru's [[HandicappedBadass only arm]] to render him [[BadassInDistress incapable of fighting]]. Both Inuyasha's InfinityPlusOneSword and Sesshoumaru's HealingShiv SituationalSword are neutralised during the fight culminating in Sesshoumaru being ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat through the heart]]. At that point, Sesshoumaru [[CameBackStrong gets so angry]] that he pulls a sword right out of his very soul, his true power given physical, weaponised form. Bakusaiga is immediately lampshaded as being something Naraku doesn't stand a chance against and Naraku therefore has to kidnap [[MoralityPet Rin]] and trap her inside his body for the rest of the story to ensure Bakusaiga can't [[StoryBreakerPower end the story with a single swing]].

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* ''MagicTheGathering'' has many infinite loops that can allow a player to, say, gain infinite life or deal infinite damage, and lots of rule space is devoted to making sure the game doesn't blow up when two of those loops collide. Essentially, "infinity" translates into "whatever really big but still finite number you want", so if your opponent comes along with another infinite loop later on, they can choose a number bigger than the one you chose.

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* The authors notes for chapter 34 of HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality discusses the GambitPileups in the chapter using transfinite ordinals. He concludes that [[spoiler:Quirrel]]'s plot is at least 2w+1 (that is two times infinity plus one).

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* ''IrregularWebcomic'' has the [[http://irregularwebcomic.net/1186.html Infinity Plus One Razor.]]

** Which begs the question: What would happen if there were[[LogicBomb two]] [[DivideByZero of them]] [[ApocalypseWow on the field]] [[OhCrap at once?]]

[[hottip:Minor footnote type thing.:It should be noted that there are degrees of infinity; the number of points in a line is less infinite than the number of curves that can be drawn on a plane, but more infinite than the number of integers; this still doesn't make most "more infinite than infinite" plot points make any sense, though. There's also a notion from mathematics and computer science of something being having ''unbounded size'' but still being finite. This just means that the thing, call it Attack Power, could grow to any arbitrarily-large finite number on command, but won't actually become infinite. An unboundedly finite number can still be smaller than any larger number or than any infinity.]]

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* Three examples of this are shown in the ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' anime:

** In the real ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' trading card game all of the examples above would lose to 'The Wicked Avatar', whose ATK is equal to the ATK of the strongest monster on the field [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter plus 100]]. This is put to the test when it's used in the ''[[{{Yu-Gi-Oh R}} Yu-Gi-Oh! R]]'' manga; it's able to dominate virtually ''everything'' used against it, including Kaiba's Blue-Eyes and Yugi's Slifer the Sky Dragon (an ''Egyptian God'' whose power level is variable depending on the number of cards in its controller's hand, ''and'' who can reduce an opponent's monster's ATK and DEF by 2000, when that monster's summoned, an ability that, of course, did ''nothing'' to The Wicked Avatar). It was only taken down by Yugi's Obelisk the Tormentor, after it uses its effect to power up its ATK to infinite. However, in this case, it's a ''subversion'', as the game physics for the manga actually follow real-world mathematics and consider "∞ + 1" to still be equal to "∞", meaning both monsters are considered to have equal ATK and, thus, [[DoubleKnockout do each other in]].