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-->-- '''{{Merlin}}''' on how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate, ''TheBooksOfMagic''

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-->-- '''{{Merlin}}''' on how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate, discusses the trope in ''TheBooksOfMagic''
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* ''Anime/{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.

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* ''Anime/{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' ''Anime/YuGiOh'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.
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* Warlic and Nythera from the ArtixEntertainment games. Romance is not involved here, but Nythera, the Nimue in this relationship, is constantly scheming to get rid of Warlic and get her hands on his power (something she actually did in DragonFable, but which would come back to bite her and force her to resurrect him).

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* Warlic and Nythera from the ArtixEntertainment games. Romance is not involved here, but Nythera, the Nimue in this relationship, is constantly scheming to get rid of Warlic and get her hands on his power (something she actually did in DragonFable, ''VideoGame/{{DragonFable}}'', but which would come back to bite her and force her to resurrect him).
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* In the LostYearsOfMerlin series by T.A Barron, Vivian, known as Nimue to her friends, is introduced in the 2nd book when she tries to steal Merlin's staff. She comes back later as a major villain in The Mirror of Merlin, and again in The Merlin Effect, part of another series by the same author.

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* In the LostYearsOfMerlin TheLostYearsOfMerlin series by T.A Barron, Vivian, known as Nimue to her friends, is introduced in the 2nd book when she tries to steal Merlin's staff. She comes back later as a major villain in The Mirror of Merlin, and again in The Merlin Effect, part of another series by the same author.
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* In the LostYearsOfMerlin series by T.A Barron, Vivian, known as Nimue to her friends, is introduced in the 2nd book when she tries to steal Merlin's staff. She comes back later as a major villain in The Mirror of Merlin, and again in The Merlin Effect, part of another series by the same author.
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* ''{{AIR}}'': In the past, Abe-no-Seimei[[hottip:*:Approximately Japanese version of Merlin, a CourtWizard of great renown and certain degree of notoriety.]] and Uraha. In the present time, Yukito's late mom and Yukito himself. [[spoiler:Yukito is a descendant of Uraha, and the purpose of his bloodline's magic is to liberate Kanna, Uraha's then-mistress and friend who [[AndIMustScream was sealed in another dimension]].]] Unfortunately, Yukito didn't really get what his mom taught him, plus most magic had been bred out of the population that point leaving a MundaneFantastic world, and thus his magic ''sucked''.

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* ''{{AIR}}'': ''VisualNovel/{{AIR}}'': In the past, Abe-no-Seimei[[hottip:*:Approximately Japanese version of Merlin, a CourtWizard of great renown and certain degree of notoriety.]] and Uraha. In the present time, Yukito's late mom and Yukito himself. [[spoiler:Yukito is a descendant of Uraha, and the purpose of his bloodline's magic is to liberate Kanna, Uraha's then-mistress and friend who [[AndIMustScream was sealed in another dimension]].]] Unfortunately, Yukito didn't really get what his mom taught him, plus most magic had been bred out of the population that point leaving a MundaneFantastic world, and thus his magic ''sucked''.
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->''Nimue will come along and I'll go panting after her like a dog-fox in heat. I'll teach her too little magic to do her any good, and too much for my safety, all while trying to get into her petticoats. And then she'll entice me into a cave, and bind me with my own magic, and leave me to rot.''
-->-- '''{{Merlin}}''' tells Tim Hunter how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate, ''TheBooksOfMagic''

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->''Nimue ->''"Nimue will come along and I'll go panting after her like a dog-fox in heat. I'll teach her too little magic to do her any good, and too much for my safety, all while trying to get into her petticoats. And then she'll entice me into a cave, and bind me with my own magic, and leave me to rot.''
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-->-- '''{{Merlin}}''' tells Tim Hunter on how much it sucks when YouCantFightFate, ''TheBooksOfMagic''



* In the American dub of the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[FaceHeelTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends.

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* In the American dub of the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, ''CardCaptorSakura'', it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[FaceHeelTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends.

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* ''{{AIR}}'': In the past, Abe-no-Seimei[[hottip:*:Approximately Japanese version of Merlin, a CourtWizard of great renown and certain degree of notoriety.]] and Uraha. In the present time, Yukito's late mom and Yukito himself. [[spoiler:Yukito is a descendant of Uraha, and the purpose of his bloodline's magic is to liberate Kanna, Uraha's then-mistress and friend who [[AndIMustScream was sealed in another dimension]].]] Unfortunately, Yukito didn't really get what his mom taught him and thus magic ''sucked''.

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* ''{{AIR}}'': In the past, Abe-no-Seimei[[hottip:*:Approximately Japanese version of Merlin, a CourtWizard of great renown and certain degree of notoriety.]] and Uraha. In the present time, Yukito's late mom and Yukito himself. [[spoiler:Yukito is a descendant of Uraha, and the purpose of his bloodline's magic is to liberate Kanna, Uraha's then-mistress and friend who [[AndIMustScream was sealed in another dimension]].]] Unfortunately, Yukito didn't really get what his mom taught him him, plus most magic had been bred out of the population that point leaving a MundaneFantastic world, and thus his magic ''sucked''.

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* In Clamp`s XxxHolic we have a witch / male apprentice version of this: Yuko and Watanuki, with the witch Yuko [[ParentalSubstitute very much being a mother figure towards orphan Watanuki.]]

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* In Clamp`s XxxHolic ''XxxHolic'' we have a witch / male apprentice version of this: Yuko and Watanuki, with the witch Yuko [[ParentalSubstitute very much being a mother figure towards orphan Watanuki.]]



* ''FateStayNight'': Zelretch and Rin. [[CanonSue Dude is an immortal, dimension-hopping vampire mage capable of magic-beyond-magic]], and also [[{{Tsukihime}} Arcueid]]'s grandpa-figure.


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* ''FateStayNight'': Zelretch and Rin. [[CanonSue Dude is an immortal, dimension-hopping vampire mage capable of magic-beyond-magic]], and also [[{{Tsukihime}} Arcueid]]'s grandpa-figure.
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* In the ''{{Hellboy}}'' comicbooks, it's eventually revealed that the Queen of Blood, the genocidal new leader of TheFairFolk, is Nimue herself. As it turns out, it was the whisperings of [[EldritchAbomination the Ogdru Jahad]] that caused her to originally betray Merlin and turn to evil.

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* In the ''{{Hellboy}}'' ''Comicbook/{{Hellboy}}'' comicbooks, it's eventually revealed that the Queen of Blood, the genocidal new leader of TheFairFolk, is Nimue herself. As it turns out, it was the whisperings of [[EldritchAbomination the Ogdru Jahad]] that caused her to originally betray Merlin and turn to evil.
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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'' ''Anime/{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.
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* ''[=~Yu-Gi-Oh!~=]'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.

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* ''[=~Yu-Gi-Oh!~=]'' ''Anime/YuGiOh'' example: the Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl, both the cards and their Ancient Egyptian counterparts. They are rather closer in age than most, with there being only about a 10 year age difference.
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* Warlic and Nythera from the ArtixEntertainment games. Romance is not involved here, but Nythera, the Nimue in this relationship, is constantly scheming to get rid of Warlic and get her hands on his power (something she actually did in DragonFable, but which would come back to bite her and force her to resurrect him).
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* ''{{AIR}}'': In the past, Abe-no-Seimei[[hottip:*:Approximately Japanese version of Merlin, a CourtWizard of great renown and certain degree of notoriety.]] and Uraha. In the present time, Yukito's late mom and Yukito himself. [[spoiler:Yukito is a descendant of Uraha, and the purpose of his bloodline's magic is to liberate Kanna, Uraha's then-mistress and friend who [[AndIMustScream was sealed in another dimension]].]] Unfortunately, Yukito didn't really get what his mom taught him and thus magic ''sucked''.
* ''FateStayNight'': Zelretch and Rin. [[CanonSue Dude is an immortal, dimension-hopping vampire mage capable of magic-beyond-magic]], and also [[{{Tsukihime}} Arcueid]]'s grandpa-figure.
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[[caption-width-right:319:[-Now that we're lovers, I'll teach her everything I know. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?-] ]]

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[[caption-width-right:319:[-Now that we're lovers, I'll teach her everything I know. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?-] WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong-] ]]
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* In Clamp`s xxxHolic we have a witch / male apprentice version of this: Yuko and Watanuki, with the witch Yuko [[ParentalSubstitute very much being a mother figure towards orphan Watanuki.]]

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* In Clamp`s xxxHolic XxxHolic we have a witch / male apprentice version of this: Yuko and Watanuki, with the witch Yuko [[ParentalSubstitute very much being a mother figure towards orphan Watanuki.]]
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* In Clamp`s xxxHolic we have a witch / male apprentice version of this: Yuko and Watanuki, with the witch Yuko [[ParentalSubstitute very much being a mother figure towards orphan Watanuki.]]
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* One GarthNix story set out to turn this into a TearJerker. For one thing, Merlin is younger than he makes himself seem to everyone else. Two, he actively ignored Nimue until he couldn't take her hanging around his house begging for training anymore. Three, while both he and Nimue are clearly interested in each other, she's frustrated by his refusal to act on his desires. Four, to get their power, a mage has to give up their heart's desire. Nimue scoffs at the paradox, since her fondest desire is the power itself. Five, a mage gets their power by harnessing a star. [[spoiler:The power in one mage actively repels the power in another. Once Nimue harnesses hers, she physically cannot go near Merlin ever again.]] Six, [[spoiler:Merlin saw it coming, after he got ''his'' power. His heart's desire was Nimue, whom he hadn't even met yet. Nimue's was him. He tried to keep her away so he wouldn't hurt her. Not only can they not ever be together, but he sinks into a stone even Nimue's power can't get him out of, though she immediately leaves to try, leaving England unprotected.]]

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* In the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[FaceHeelTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends.

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* In the American dub of the first movie to CardCaptorSakura, it is revealed that Clow Reed had a student known only as "Madoushi" ("Sorceress"), who was also [[HotForStudent his girlfriend]]. They had a good relationship, until [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope she decided]] [[FaceHeelTurn she wanted more power]] and [[MoralEventHorizon began practicing dark magic]]. He couldn't allow her to continue to do this, so he [[WhatTheHellHero called her out on this]] and told her that she was no longer his student (and no longer his girlfriend), despite her protests and promises that they could rule the world together. She continued to practice her dark magic, so he [[SealedRoomInTheMiddleOfNowhere sealed her up in an alternate dimension he created and left her there]]. [[FridgeHorror (It is not known when or even ''if'' he ever intended to let her out.)]] She died in there, [[GhostlyGoals still waiting to be set free]], and causes problems for Sakura and her friends. friends.
** The actual, original plotline isn't an example of this trope, but rather a combination of UnknownRival, FoeYay, and TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou, as the sorceress was a fortune teller who felt like Clow stole her business in Hong Kong, but fell in love with him anyways and never got a chance to tell him before he vanished. [[{{Bowdlerize}} Because, you know, kids can't understand anything more complex than Good Versus Evil in their plots.]]

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* Also from DavidEddings, Belgarath and Polgara might be a USTless father-daughter example. And Sparrowhawk and his goddess? That just gets wierd, man.


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** Also from DavidEddings, Belgarath and Polgara might be a UST-less father-daughter example. And Sparrowhawk and his goddess? That just gets wierd, man.
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* Also from DavidEddings, Belgarath and Polgara might be a USTless father-daughter example. And Sparrowhawk and his goddess? That just gets wierd, man.
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* Most of [[DoctorWho the Doctor's]] companions have been both female and much, much younger than he is. Even his only two Time Lord companions, Romana and his granddaughter Susan, were both a good deal younger than him. However, UnresolvedSexualTension aside, he never became ''overtly'' romantic with any of them until the start of the new series, when there ''were'' no more Time Lords, so humans began to seem like a more legitimate option. The only betrayals (Adam Mitchell, Kamelion) or serious near-betrayals (Turlough) the Doctor has had have been from male companions (well, Kamelion's a genderless robot...)

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* Most of [[DoctorWho [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor's]] companions have been both female and much, much younger than he is. Even his only two Time Lord companions, Romana and his granddaughter Susan, were both a good deal younger than him. However, UnresolvedSexualTension aside, he never became ''overtly'' romantic with any of them until the start of the new series, when there ''were'' no more Time Lords, so humans began to seem like a more legitimate option. The only betrayals (Adam Mitchell, Kamelion) or serious near-betrayals (Turlough) the Doctor has had have been from male companions (well, Kamelion's a genderless robot...)
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** ''Quest For Glory 4'', on the other hand, has an evil version in the relationship between [[spoiler:Ad Avis and Katrina. She defeated him many years ago when he challenged her in magic, made him her apprentice, and bit him so that he would rise again as a vampire under her control upon his death (i.e. when you defeated him at the end of the second game). This upset PoliticallyIncorrectVillain Ad Avis, so he soon began scheming her downfall, first by trying to use TheHero to kill her, and later by exploiting her feelings for The Hero so that she wound up TakingTheBullet for him. Oh, and similar to Aziza, if you're a wizard Katrina will teach you a spell or two in 4 and again if you save her from Hades in 5.]]

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** ''Quest For Glory 4'', on the other hand, has an evil version in the relationship between [[spoiler:Ad Avis and Katrina. She defeated him many years ago when he challenged her in magic, made him her apprentice, and bit him so that he would rise again as a vampire under her control upon his death (i.e. when you defeated him at the end of the second game). This upset PoliticallyIncorrectVillain Ad Avis, so he soon began scheming her downfall, first by trying to use TheHero to kill her, and later by exploiting her feelings for The Hero so that she wound up TakingTheBullet for him. Oh, and similar to Aziza, if you're a wizard Katrina will teach you a spell or two in 4 and again if you save her from Hades in 5.]]
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***[[spoiler: Yes, but without the UST.]]
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* Somewhat surprisingly averted in the second ''QuestForGlory'' game, where the player character, (a young hero [[FighterMageThief who can be a magic user if you choose that class]]) and the experienced enchantress Aziza do not form this relationship. Although Aziza will gladly give you lots of advice and bring up a subquest or two, she will not sponsor your entrance into [[WizardingSchool the Wizard's Academy]] (she takes that sort of thing very seriously and hasn't known you long enough or well enough yet) and although she'll teach you one spell she doesn't tutor you in magic or help your growth in it otherwise.

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* Somewhat surprisingly averted in the second ''QuestForGlory'' game, where the player character, (a young hero [[FighterMageThief who can be a magic user if you choose that class]]) and the experienced enchantress Aziza do not form this relationship. Although Aziza will gladly give you lots of advice and bring up a subquest or two, she will not sponsor your entrance into [[WizardingSchool the Wizard's Academy]] (she takes that sort of thing very seriously and hasn't known you long enough or well enough yet) and although she'll teach you one spell she doesn't tutor you in magic or help your growth in it otherwise.
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** The original story itself gets used, in a very WEIRD way. Instead of Nimue imprisoning Merlin in a cave, we have Merlin (Thom Merillin) ''rescuing'' Morgana (Moiraine) from a cave, and Nimue (using the older name Nynaeve) doesn't even take part.
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* This is the stated relationship between [[BigBad Big Bads]] Mondain and Minax in the first two {{Ultima}} games, although without betrayal; Minax is so distraught over her mentor and lover's death that she screws up all time and space.
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** He spent the beginning of ''"The Poisoned Chalice"'' gawking at her and described her as "pretty for a princess" and she [[spoiler: tricked him into drinking from said poisoned chalice.]] Subverted later on, [[spoiler: when he strikes her with a bolt of lightening.]]

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** He spent the beginning of ''"The Poisoned Chalice"'' gawking at her and described her as "pretty for a princess" and she [[spoiler: tricked him into drinking from said poisoned chalice.]] Subverted later on, [[spoiler: when he strikes her with a bolt of lightening.lightning.]]
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** Lucio, in particular, implies this is the case for ''almost all'' apprentices, and uses aloud, "do any of them ever grow out of it?"

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