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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} itself -- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels -- or worse, demons and ''God'' -- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them. Come the end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.

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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} itself -- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels -- or worse, demons and ''God'' -- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven Heaven because God gives them permission to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them. Come the end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.



* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, set in the cold war between Heaven and Hell, as they work to push humanity towards its best/worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good but neither perfect nor united, while Hell is Evil but without every individual demon necessarily being so. However, there are alternate frameworks presented too, including "Both sides are monstrous forces working to destroy humanity in different ways", "All angels are shining noble heroes and all demons are cackling monsters", "The demons are the good guys and working to free the world from heaven's tyranny" and "Both sides are basically decent and the "war" is more a friendly rivalry".

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* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, set in the cold war between Heaven and Hell, as they work to push humanity towards its best/worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good but neither perfect nor united, while Hell is Evil but without every individual demon necessarily being so. However, there are alternate frameworks presented too, including "Both sides are monstrous forces working to destroy humanity in different ways", "All angels are shining noble heroes and all demons are cackling monsters", "The demons are the good guys and working to free the world from heaven's Heaven's tyranny" and "Both sides are basically decent and the "war" is more a friendly rivalry".



* ''VideoGame/DevilsHunt'' has the war between angels and heavens occurring the whole time, which humans are completely oblivious about. The human protagonist, Desmond, was summoned to hell after a failed suicide attempt, where he's condemned to be hell's enforcer for his actions -- the game sees him choosing to serve either heaven or hell.

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* ''VideoGame/DevilsHunt'' has the war between angels and heavens Heavens occurring the whole time, which humans are completely oblivious about. The human protagonist, Desmond, was summoned to hell Hell after a failed suicide attempt, where he's condemned to be hell's Hell's enforcer for his actions -- the game sees him choosing to serve either heaven Heaven or hell.Hell.



* Most of the plot of both ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' games revolves around the battle between the angels of Elysium and the demonic hordes of Stygia. There are several neutral free-will-aligned deities around as well to make for a MeleeATrois, but the main focus of the lore is on heaven vs. hell.

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* Most of the plot of both ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' games revolves around the battle between the angels of Elysium and the demonic hordes of Stygia. There are several neutral free-will-aligned deities around as well to make for a MeleeATrois, but the main focus of the lore is on heaven Heaven vs. hell.Hell.



* ''Website/{{Lioden}}'': The October Event involves a fight between the armies of heaven and hell. The player is given the option to join either side and fight angels or demons... or ignore it altogether and focus on the other supernatural events going on.

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* ''Website/{{Lioden}}'': The October Event involves a fight between the armies of heaven Heaven and hell.Hell. The player is given the option to join either side and fight angels or demons... or ignore it altogether and focus on the other supernatural events going on.



* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has very unique versions of heaven and hell. Nearly everyone goes to Hell except for those belonging to one religion, so UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, and Ted Bundy are all in the same place. Satan is AffablyEvil and [[AHellOfATime enjoys throwing big parties]]. Up above, God is a bunyip who rules over a FluffyCloudHeaven. The residents of Heaven are Mormons and Sadaam Hussein (although he was sent there as a punishment). However, God can change the rules so more people can be allowed in. The person who gets to the highest level in "Heaven vs. Hell" for the [[Platform/PlayStationPortable PSP]] on Earth is selected to lead the armies of Heaven against TheLegionsOfHell, but must not be revived in any manner. God created the [=PSP=] for this purpose; the individual uses a Golden PSP to do this for real and is referred to as "[[Film/Constantine2005 our]] Creator/KeanuReeves".

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has very unique versions of heaven Heaven and hell.Hell. Nearly everyone goes to Hell except for those belonging to one religion, so UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, and Ted Bundy are all in the same place. Satan is AffablyEvil and [[AHellOfATime enjoys throwing big parties]]. Up above, God is a bunyip who rules over a FluffyCloudHeaven. The residents of Heaven are Mormons and Sadaam Hussein (although he was sent there as a punishment). However, God can change the rules so more people can be allowed in. The person who gets to the highest level in "Heaven vs. Hell" for the [[Platform/PlayStationPortable PSP]] on Earth is selected to lead the armies of Heaven against TheLegionsOfHell, but must not be revived in any manner. God created the [=PSP=] for this purpose; the individual uses a Golden PSP to do this for real and is referred to as "[[Film/Constantine2005 our]] Creator/KeanuReeves".
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point -- Hell exists and hates ([[GeniusLoci personally]]) Heaven, but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalted and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozis]]' attempt to regain control of Heaven became more and more central to the MetaPlot ([[BrokenBase for better or worse]]). In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather than posing an existential threat.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point -- Hell exists and hates Heaven ([[GeniusLoci personally]]) Heaven, personally]]), but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalted and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozis]]' attempt to regain control of Heaven became more and progressively more central to the MetaPlot ([[BrokenBase for better or worse]]). In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather than posing an existential threat.

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* ''Film/{{Dogma}}'': subverts this as [[spoiler: Hell has as much reason as Heaven to stop the 2 rogue angels from getting back into Heaven, as Satan does not want to see another succeed where he failed. The one behind the whole scheme would rather have Cessation of Existence over the eternity of Hellfire he was punished with over not choosing a side (though he would have received the same fate for not choosing the 'correct' side) during the original war in heaven.]]
* ''Film/TheExorcist'': With the priests representing the forces of Heaven, the battle is particularly vivid here.
* ''Film/LittleNicky'': Not much violence between the two forces, but the battle is there none-the-less. A rare example where Hell is depicted as, at least somewhat, noble.



* ''Film/{{Dogma}}'' subverts this, as [[spoiler:Hell has as much reason as Heaven to stop the two rogue angels from getting back into Heaven, as Satan does not want to see another succeed where he failed. The one behind the whole scheme would rather have Cessation of Existence over the eternity of Hellfire he was punished with over not choosing a side (though he would have received the same fate for not choosing the 'correct' side) during the original war in heaven]].
* ''Film/TheExorcist'': With the priests representing the forces of Heaven, the battle is particularly vivid here.
* ''Film/LittleNicky'': Not much violence between the two forces, but the battle is there none-the-less. A rare example where Hell is depicted as, at least somewhat, noble.



* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicles of Brothers'' series is an imaginative expansion of the Bible story concerning the fall of Satan and the ongoing war between Heaven and Hell that will resolve itself in the (interpreted) events of Literature/{{Revelation}}. Ms. Alec is scrupulously diligent in sticking absolutely to the script as Fundamentalist American Christian theology interprets it - Rapture and all - and even though her books are essentially Christian polemic and we all know what way the script is intended to end, contrives to create a readable and engaging story.

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* ''Literature/AstralDawn'' features an epic war between the forces of Heaven and Hell, though they are typically referred to as Averya and Nazyra. They are the same places, however, as it is established the same places spoken of in the Holy Bible are known by many names.
* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicles of Brothers'' series is an imaginative expansion of the Bible story concerning the fall of Satan and the ongoing war between Heaven and Hell that will resolve itself in the (interpreted) events of Literature/{{Revelation}}.the Literature/BookOfRevelation. Ms. Alec is scrupulously diligent in sticking absolutely to the script as Fundamentalist American Christian theology interprets it - -- Rapture and all - -- and even though her books are essentially Christian polemic and we all know what way the script is intended to end, contrives to create a readable and engaging story.



* Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's ''Literature/GoodOmens'' is a beautifully subversive take on the idea of Heaven versus Hell, seen through the eyes of an Angel and a Demon who are fated to be on opposite shoulders of the human race - for eternity. [[ZigzaggedTrope However,]] there is still a conflict between the Angels of Heaven and Demons of Hell, but they can get along well enough when their goals align, such as the preparation of the final war between the two.
* Adam R. Brown's ''{{Literature/Astral Dawn}}'' features an epic war between the forces of Heaven and Hell, though they are typically referred to as Averya and Nazyra. They are the same places, however, as it is established the same places spoken of in the Holy Bible are known by many names.

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* Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's ''Literature/GoodOmens'' is a beautifully subversive take on the idea of Heaven versus Hell, seen through the eyes of an Angel and a Demon who are fated to be on opposite shoulders of the human race - -- for eternity. [[ZigzaggedTrope However,]] However]], there is still a conflict between the Angels of Heaven and Demons of Hell, but they can get along well enough when their goals align, such as the preparation of the final war between the two.
* Adam R. Brown's ''{{Literature/Astral Dawn}}'' features an epic war between the forces of Heaven and Hell, though they are typically referred to as Averya and Nazyra. They are the same places, however, as it is established the same places spoken of in the Holy Bible are known by many names.
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* Played straight in ''Series/GoodOmens2019''. Heaven and Hell want to start the Apocalypse in order to settle their differences. Angel Aziraphale and demon Crowley are not amused.

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* Played straight in ''Series/GoodOmens2019''. In ''Series/GoodOmens2019'', Heaven and Hell want to start the Apocalypse in order to settle their differences. Angel Aziraphale and demon Crowley are not amused.



* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in Christianity itself- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels -- or worse, demons and ''God'' -- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them. Come the end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.

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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in Christianity itself- UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} itself -- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels -- or worse, demons and ''God'' -- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them. Come the end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point -- Hell exists and hates [[GeniusLoci (personally)]] Heaven, but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalted and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozis]]' attempt to regain control of Heaven became more and more central to the MetaPlot [[BrokenBase (for better or worse)]]. In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather then posing an existential threat.
* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, set in the cold war between Heaven and Hell, as they work to push humanity towards its best/worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good but neither perfect nor united, while Hell is Evil but without every individual demon necessarily being so. However, there are alternate frameworks presented too, including " Both sides are monstrous forces working to destroy humanity in different ways", "All angels are shining noble heroes and all demons are cackling monsters", " The demons are the good guys and working to free the world from heaven's tyranny" and "Both sides are basically decent and the "war" is more a friendly rivalry".
* ''TabletopGame/{{Kult}}'' has the subtle conflict between the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels Archons]] and [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Death Angels]] over rulership of humanity. As [[CrapsackWorld befitting Kult]], both sides actively hate us -- the main difference being that the Archons want us as mindless sheep while the Death Angels want us in unending agony -- and both factions fight among themselves as much as their nominal enemies. And neither want ''us'' to [[HumansAreCthulhu realize what's really going on...]]

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point -- Hell exists and hates [[GeniusLoci (personally)]] ([[GeniusLoci personally]]) Heaven, but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalted and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozis]]' attempt to regain control of Heaven became more and more central to the MetaPlot [[BrokenBase (for ([[BrokenBase for better or worse)]]. worse]]). In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather then than posing an existential threat.
* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, set in the cold war between Heaven and Hell, as they work to push humanity towards its best/worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good but neither perfect nor united, while Hell is Evil but without every individual demon necessarily being so. However, there are alternate frameworks presented too, including " Both "Both sides are monstrous forces working to destroy humanity in different ways", "All angels are shining noble heroes and all demons are cackling monsters", " The "The demons are the good guys and working to free the world from heaven's tyranny" and "Both sides are basically decent and the "war" is more a friendly rivalry".
* ''TabletopGame/{{Kult}}'' has the subtle conflict between the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels Archons]] and [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Death Angels]] over rulership of humanity. As [[CrapsackWorld befitting Kult]], both sides actively hate us -- the main difference being that the Archons want us as mindless sheep while the Death Angels want us in unending agony -- and both factions fight among themselves as much as their nominal enemies. And neither want ''us'' to [[HumansAreCthulhu realize what's really going on...]]on]]...



* ''VideoGame/{{Diablo}}'': The entire conflict of the story is a battle between the High Heavens led by the [[CouncilOfAngels Angiris Council]] and the Burning Hells led by the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Seven Great Evils]]. Ongoing for eons following the deaths of the prime good and evil entities, Anu and Tathamet, it was mostly a stalemate, with neither side ever able to clinch a victory due to their various foibles. With the creation of the mortal world, Sanctuary, by a group of renegade angels and demons working together, the nature of the conflict changed. The Sin War has now been ongoing for a few millennia, in which either side attempts to sway the inhabitants of Sanctuary indelibly to their favor, knowing that whichever side controls the world completely will have a decisive advantage.
* ''VideoGame/DevilsHunt'' has the war between angels and heavens occurring the whole time, which humans are completely oblivious about. The human protagonist, Desmond, was summoned to hell after a failed suicide attempt, where he's condemned to be hell's enforcer for his actions - the game sees him choosing to serve either heaven or hell.
* ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'': The central conflict again. Slightly less dogmatic than other versions. [[spoiler: A BatmanGambit done by the benevolent leaders of both eventually succeeded in uniting the two.]]

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* ''VideoGame/DevilsHunt'' has the war between angels and heavens occurring the whole time, which humans are completely oblivious about. The human protagonist, Desmond, was summoned to hell after a failed suicide attempt, where he's condemned to be hell's enforcer for his actions -- the game sees him choosing to serve either heaven or hell.
* ''VideoGame/{{Diablo}}'': The entire conflict of the story is a battle between the High Heavens led by the [[CouncilOfAngels the Angiris Council]] and the Burning Hells led by the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils the Seven Great Evils]]. Ongoing for eons following the deaths of the prime good and evil entities, Anu and Tathamet, it was mostly a stalemate, with neither side ever able to clinch a victory due to their various foibles. With the creation of the mortal world, Sanctuary, by a group of renegade angels and demons working together, the nature of the conflict changed. The Sin War has now been ongoing for a few millennia, in which either side attempts to sway the inhabitants of Sanctuary indelibly to their favor, knowing that whichever side controls the world completely will have a decisive advantage.
* ''VideoGame/DevilsHunt'' has the war between angels and heavens occurring the whole time, which humans are completely oblivious about. The human protagonist, Desmond, was summoned to hell after a failed suicide attempt, where he's condemned to be hell's enforcer for his actions - the game sees him choosing to serve either heaven or hell.
* ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'': The central conflict again. Slightly less dogmatic than other versions. [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A BatmanGambit done by the benevolent leaders of both eventually succeeded in uniting the two.]]



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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has very unique versions of heaven and hell. Nearly everyone goes to Hell except for those belonging to one religion, so [[UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi Gandhi]], [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]], UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, and Ted Bundy are all in the same place. Satan is AffablyEvil and [[AHellOfATime enjoys throwing big parties]]. Up above, God is a bunyip who rules over a FluffyCloudHeaven. The residents of Heaven are Mormons and Sadaam Hussein (although he was sent there as a punishment). However, God can change the rules so more people can be allowed in. The person who gets to the highest level in "Heaven vs. Hell" for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] on Earth is selected to lead the armies of Heaven against TheLegionsOfHell, but must not be revived in any manner. God created the [=PSP=] for this purpose; the individual uses a Golden PSP to do this for real and is referred to as "[[Film/Constantine2005 our]] Creator/KeanuReeves."

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has very unique versions of heaven and hell. Nearly everyone goes to Hell except for those belonging to one religion, so [[UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi Gandhi]], [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]], UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler, UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, and Ted Bundy are all in the same place. Satan is AffablyEvil and [[AHellOfATime enjoys throwing big parties]]. Up above, God is a bunyip who rules over a FluffyCloudHeaven. The residents of Heaven are Mormons and Sadaam Hussein (although he was sent there as a punishment). However, God can change the rules so more people can be allowed in. The person who gets to the highest level in "Heaven vs. Hell" for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable [[Platform/PlayStationPortable PSP]] on Earth is selected to lead the armies of Heaven against TheLegionsOfHell, but must not be revived in any manner. God created the [=PSP=] for this purpose; the individual uses a Golden PSP to do this for real and is referred to as "[[Film/Constantine2005 our]] Creator/KeanuReeves."Creator/KeanuReeves".
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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in Christianity itself- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels- or worse, demons and ''God''- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them. Come the end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.

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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in Christianity itself- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels- angels -- or worse, demons and ''God''- ''God'' -- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them. Come the end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point- Hell exists and hates [[GeniusLoci (personally)]] Heaven, but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalt and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozi's]] attempts to regain control of Heaven became more and more central to the MetaPlot [[BrokenBase (for better or worse)]]. In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather then posing an existential threat.
* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, set in the cold war between Heaven and Hell, as they work to push humanity towards its best/worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good but neither perfect nor united, while Hell is Evil but without every individual demon necessarily being so. However, there are alternate frameworks presented too, including " Both sides are monstrous forces working to destroy humanity in different ways", "All angels are shining noble heroes and all demons are cackling monsters", " The demons are the good guys and working to free the world from heaven's tyranny" and "Both sides are basically decent and the "war" is more a friendly rivalry"
* ''TabletopGame/{{Kult}}'' has the subtle conflict between the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels Archons]] and [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Death Angels]] over rulership of humanity. As [[CrapsackWorld befitting Kult]], both sides actively hate us- the main difference being that the Archons want us as mindless sheep while the Death Angels want us in unending agony- and both factions fight among themselves as much as their nominal enemies. And neither want ''us'' to [[HumansAreCthulhu realize what's really going on...]]

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point- point -- Hell exists and hates [[GeniusLoci (personally)]] Heaven, but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalt Exalted and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozi's]] attempts Yozis]]' attempt to regain control of Heaven became more and more central to the MetaPlot [[BrokenBase (for better or worse)]]. In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather then posing an existential threat.
* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, set in the cold war between Heaven and Hell, as they work to push humanity towards its best/worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good but neither perfect nor united, while Hell is Evil but without every individual demon necessarily being so. However, there are alternate frameworks presented too, including " Both sides are monstrous forces working to destroy humanity in different ways", "All angels are shining noble heroes and all demons are cackling monsters", " The demons are the good guys and working to free the world from heaven's tyranny" and "Both sides are basically decent and the "war" is more a friendly rivalry"
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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in Christianity itself- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels- or worse, demons and ''God''- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission too, and any time He wants He could just destroy them- as he does come the End Times.

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* This is actually an UnbuiltTrope in Christianity itself- turns out, it's pretty hard to have a war when one side is ''omnipotent''. Every time demons and angels- or worse, demons and ''God''- fight in the Bible, it's every bit the CurbStompBattle for the forces of good you'd expect. In broader Christian teaching it's generally accepted that demons only "fight" heaven because God gives them permission too, to, and any time He wants He could just destroy them- as he does come them. Come the End Times. end times, He'll just win the whole war with a metaphorical snap of His metaphorical fingers.
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' initially had this as a fairly minor plot point- Hell exists and hates [[GeniusLoci (personally)]] Heaven, but has been defeated so thoroughly that it's not able to do anything beyond sending the odd demon through on Calibration. However, over the course of the second edition, the Infernal Exalt and the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Yozi's]] attempts to regain control of Heaven became more and more central to the MetaPlot [[BrokenBase (for better or worse)]]. In third edition, it's back to a minor background detail, with the Yozis sending demons and exalts out for proxy revenge rather then posing an existential threat.
* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'' is centered entirely around this, being set the cold war between Heaven and Hell as they work to push humanity towards its best or worst state without triggering Armageddon. By default Heaven is Good, but not perfect and not united, while Hell is Evil but not every demon ''personally'' is. However, there are [[BlackAndWhiteMorality alternate]] [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks frameworks]] [[SatanIsGood presented]] [[FriendlyWar too]].
* ''TabletopGame/{{Kult}}'' has the subtle conflict between the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels Archons]] and [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Death Angels]] over rulership of humanity. As [[CrapsackWorld befitting Kult]], both sides actively hate us- the main difference being that the Archons want us as mindless sheep while the Death Angels want us in unending agony- and both factions fight among themselves as much as their nominal enemies. And neither want ''us'' to [[HumansAreCthulhu realize what's really going on...]]

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* Played straight in ''Series/GoodOmens2019''. Heaven and Hell want to start the Apocalypse in order to settle their differences. Angel Aziraphale and demon Crowley are not amused.
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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has very unique versions of heaven and hell. Nearly everyone goes to Hell except for those belonging to one religion, so [[UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi Gandhi]], [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]], UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, and Ted Bundy are all in the same place. Satan is AffablyEvil and [[AHellOfATime enjoys throwing big parties]]. Up above, God is a bunyip who rules over a FluffyCloudHeaven. The residents of Heaven are Mormons and Sadaam Hussein (although he was sent there as a punishment). However, God can change the rules so more people can be allowed in. The person who gets to the highest level in "Heaven vs. Hell" for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] on Earth is selected to lead the armies of Heaven against TheLegionsOfHell, but must not be revived in any manner. God created the [=PSP=] for this purpose; the individual uses a Golden PSP to do this for real and is referred to as "[[Film/{{Constantine}} our]] Creator/KeanuReeves."

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has very unique versions of heaven and hell. Nearly everyone goes to Hell except for those belonging to one religion, so [[UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi Gandhi]], [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]], UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, and Ted Bundy are all in the same place. Satan is AffablyEvil and [[AHellOfATime enjoys throwing big parties]]. Up above, God is a bunyip who rules over a FluffyCloudHeaven. The residents of Heaven are Mormons and Sadaam Hussein (although he was sent there as a punishment). However, God can change the rules so more people can be allowed in. The person who gets to the highest level in "Heaven vs. Hell" for the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStationPortable PSP]] on Earth is selected to lead the armies of Heaven against TheLegionsOfHell, but must not be revived in any manner. God created the [=PSP=] for this purpose; the individual uses a Golden PSP to do this for real and is referred to as "[[Film/{{Constantine}} "[[Film/Constantine2005 our]] Creator/KeanuReeves."

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* ''Film/{{Constantine}}'' deals extensively with the battles of Heaven and Hell and how the titular character is mixed up in them.

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/DoomEternal''. While you would expect the angelic Maykrs to be battling the demons of Hell alongside the Slayer, it turns out that they're not only not doing squat about [[HellOnEarth the situation on Earth]], but they're ''actively helping the demons'' because their leader, the Khan Maykr, [[spoiler:made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the Dark Lord that leads the demons]] to hand over worlds for the demons to devour in return for the Argent Energy that their world of Urdak requires to survive -- energy that turns out to be [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made of the horribly tortured souls of Hell's victims]]]]. But when [[spoiler:the Khan Maykr brings the Icon of Sin to Urdak, the Maykrs' Heavenlike homeworld to awaken it and bring it to heel, it results in a full scale demonic invasion of Urdak that, once the Khan Maykr is slain by the Slayer, the other Maykrs are ill-equipped to stop]].

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/DoomEternal''. While you would expect the angelic Maykrs to be battling the demons of Hell alongside the Slayer, it turns out that they're not only not doing squat about [[HellOnEarth the situation on Earth]], but they're ''actively helping the demons'' because their leader, the Khan Maykr, [[spoiler:made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the Dark Lord that leads the demons]] to hand over worlds for the demons to devour in return for the Argent Energy that their world of Urdak requires to survive -- energy that turns out to be [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made of the horribly tortured souls of Hell's victims]]]]. But when [[spoiler:the Khan Maykr brings the Icon of Sin to Urdak, the Maykrs' Heavenlike homeworld to awaken it and bring it to heel, heel so she can unleash it upon Earth and complete the destruction of humanity, it results in a full scale demonic invasion of Urdak that, once the Khan Maykr is slain by the Slayer, the other Maykrs are ill-equipped to stop]].
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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/DoomEternal''. While you would expect the angelic Maykrs to be battling the demons of Hell alongside the Slayer, it turns out that they're not only not doing squat about [[HellOnEarth the situation on Earth]], but they're ''actively helping the demons'' because their leader, the Khan Maykr, [[spoiler:made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the Dark Lord that leads the demons]] to hand over worlds for the demons to devour in return for the Argent Energy that their world of Urdak requires to survive -- energy that turns out to be [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made of the horribly tortured souls of Hell's victims]]]].

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/DoomEternal''. While you would expect the angelic Maykrs to be battling the demons of Hell alongside the Slayer, it turns out that they're not only not doing squat about [[HellOnEarth the situation on Earth]], but they're ''actively helping the demons'' because their leader, the Khan Maykr, [[spoiler:made a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the Dark Lord that leads the demons]] to hand over worlds for the demons to devour in return for the Argent Energy that their world of Urdak requires to survive -- energy that turns out to be [[PoweredByAForsakenChild made of the horribly tortured souls of Hell's victims]]]]. But when [[spoiler:the Khan Maykr brings the Icon of Sin to Urdak, the Maykrs' Heavenlike homeworld to awaken it and bring it to heel, it results in a full scale demonic invasion of Urdak that, once the Khan Maykr is slain by the Slayer, the other Maykrs are ill-equipped to stop]].

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