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* The Ventrue of VampireTheRequiem are the de facto Designated Villains, although that isn't fair, as ''all'' vampires are villainous despite their best efforts. The Daeva, who have the explicit weakness ''of'' inevitable moral decline have far more reasons to actually ''be'' the Designated Villains, only the fluff of the manuals and supplements just don't write them that way. The Daeva are sympathetic, as being evil is not really their fault, they're just morally decadent. The Ventrue, however, are always portrayed, every last vampire jack of them, as conniving, cackling, sadistic and ''evil'' sons of bitches who are evil because that's what Ventrue are and do.
** As far as fluff goes, the Nosferatu and Gangrel tend to get Designated Hero slots, but if an NPC in a supplement is marked "Ventrue Invictus", you can guarantee that character is going to be portrayed in a villainous light.
** Mekhet, however, are the Designated Morally Ambivalent. They might as well be Vulcans for all the White Wolf writing staff cares.
* The Ventrue of VampireTheRequiem are the de facto Designated Villains, although that isn't fair, as ''all'' vampires are villainous despite their best efforts. The Daeva, who have the explicit weakness ''of'' inevitable moral decline have far more reasons to actually ''be'' the Designated Villains, only the fluff of the manuals and supplements just don't write them that way. The Daeva are sympathetic, as being evil is not really their fault, they're just morally decadent. The Ventrue, however, are always portrayed, every last vampire jack of them, as conniving, cackling, sadistic and ''evil'' sons of bitches who are evil because that's what Ventrue are and do.
** As far as fluff goes, the Nosferatu and Gangrel tend to get Designated Hero slots, but if an NPC in a supplement is marked "Ventrue Invictus", you can guarantee that character is going to be portrayed in a villainous light.
** Mekhet, however, are the Designated Morally Ambivalent. They might as well be Vulcans for all the White Wolf writing staff cares.
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* [[spoiler: Mr Rochester's wife Bertha Mason]] could be JaneEyre's only real DesignatedVillian, because she is the main reason why Jane and Mr Rochester cannot be together. However, [[spoiler: she was insane and her erratic behaviour came from what [[InTheBlood spreaded in her family]] and Mr Rochester locked her up for ten years in the third story room.]] One cannot help but pity her.
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* [[spoiler: Mr Rochester's wife Bertha Mason]] could be JaneEyre's only real DesignatedVillian, DesignatedVillain, because she is the main reason why Jane and Mr Rochester cannot be together. However, [[spoiler: she was insane and her erratic behaviour came from what [[InTheBlood spreaded in her family]] and Mr Rochester locked her up for ten years in the third story room.room with no one to see but a maid.]] One cannot help but pity her.
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* Technically she's not a villain, but Leah in the Twilight series is considered to be a bitter, shrewish harpy who is usually ignored and dumped on. Turns out the reason she's bitter is because her fiance was essentially brainwashed into loving her cousin and everyone blames her for being upset over this all while she has to listen to her former fiance's thoughts about loving her cousin. Edward threatens to kick her over a river because she yells at Bella for stringing Jacob (who she sees as a friend later) along. Add in the fact that she is one of the few characters who actively tries to better herself and move on after losing a significant other and it's kind of hard to see why readers are supposed to dislike her.
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* Technically she's not a villain, but Leah in the Twilight {{Twilight}} series is considered to be a bitter, shrewish harpy who is usually ignored and dumped on. Turns out the reason she's bitter is because her fiance was essentially brainwashed into loving her cousin and everyone blames her for being upset over this all while she has to listen to her former fiance's thoughts about loving her cousin. Edward threatens to kick her over a river because she yells at Bella for stringing Jacob (who she sees as a friend later) along. Add in the fact that she is one of the few characters who actively tries to better herself and move on after losing a significant other and it's kind of hard to see why readers are supposed to dislike her.
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* He isn't the ''villain'', but Stu Shepard in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/PhoneBooth Phone Booth]] is kind of an example. The sniper states that he has previously executed a stock manipulator and a pedophile. But Stu's crimes are a) being a [[Jerkass slimy publicist]] and b) ''considering'' cheating on his wife. This [[http://cinemademerde.com/Phone_Booth.shtml review]] highlights the rationale:
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* He isn't the ''villain'', but Stu Shepard in [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/PhoneBooth Phone Booth]] is kind of an example. The sniper states that he has previously executed a stock manipulator and a pedophile. But Stu's crimes are a) being a [[Jerkass [[JerkAss slimy publicist]] and b) ''considering'' cheating on his wife. This [[http://cinemademerde.com/Phone_Booth.shtml review]] highlights the rationale:
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* He isn't the ''villain'', but Stu Shepard in PhoneBooth is kind of an example. The sniper states that he has previously executed a stock manipulator and a pedophile. But Stu's crimes are a) being a slimy publicist and b) ''considering'' cheating on his wife. This [[http://cinemademerde.com/Phone_Booth.shtml review]] highlights the rationale:
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* He isn't the ''villain'', but Stu Shepard in PhoneBooth [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/PhoneBooth Phone Booth]] is kind of an example. The sniper states that he has previously executed a stock manipulator and a pedophile. But Stu's crimes are a) being a [[Jerkass slimy publicist publicist]] and b) ''considering'' cheating on his wife. This [[http://cinemademerde.com/Phone_Booth.shtml review]] highlights the rationale:
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** ...eventually Stu is forced to lean out of the booth and shout down the street about how he’s a schmuck and is "part of a cycle of lies" and is generally a jerk. Okay, well, this could describe any person in New York City...
** ...eventually Stu is forced to lean out of the booth and shout down the street about how he’s a schmuck and is "part of a cycle of lies" and is generally a jerk. Okay, well, this could describe any person in New York City...
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You must not have checked very hard, because there's an entire scene in the movie where Tony is researching Vanko's background, and it explicitly says that he was deported for spying and the Russians threw him in the gulag. Its right after Tony questions Vanko in the prison cell and is narrated by Jarvis.
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* In the second ''Film/IronMan'' film, Whiplash's father would appear to be this. His father worked with Mr. Stark senior on products, but ultimately only wanted them for financial gain instead of helping mankind. Rather than recognize an inventor might want to make money off his own creations, Stark fired him and used their mutual creations to become a billionaire, and Vanko died in poverty. It's kinda easy to see why Whiplash would want Tony Stark dead. The fact that Tony occasionally comes off as a DesignatedHero doesn't help.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
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I checked. He wasn't a spy - there's nothing to support the idea. Why would a spy be thrown into a gulag if he returned with groundbreaking technology, anyway? In the film, it is stated that he was deported for wanting to profit from his and Stark's technology. If you're going to remove it, we're going to need more than you're word.
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* In the second ''Film/IronMan'' film, Whiplash's father would appear to be this. His father worked with Mr. Stark senior on products, but ultimately only wanted them for financial gain instead of helping mankind. Rather than recognize an inventor might want to make money off his own creations, Stark fired him and used their mutual creations to become a billionaire, and Vanko died in poverty. It's kinda easy to see why Whiplash would want Tony Stark dead. The fact that Tony occasionally comes off as a DesignatedHero doesn't help.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
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No, Vanko was definitely a Soviet spy. That was why he was deported and then sent to the gulag when he returned to Russia.
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** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
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** Well, hang out with the villain and ''try to crush the Rider with a large truck.''
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He wasn't was he? I don't remember it being said anywhere in the film that Vanko was a Soviet spy. I may have missed it, though.
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** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
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Yeah, its not like Vanko was spying for the Russians or anything.
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** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
** It's especially hypocritical, seeing as Howard Stark (and Tony Stark in his pre-90s days) is a symbol of the power and legitimacy of Capitalism, in contrast to the evils of Communism. The fact that Stark had Vanko ''deported to the USSR'' for being a capitalist is a MoralEventHorizon crossing that the movie doesn't pick up on.
** [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Lesson learned]] : [[SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal you can do pretty much anything if you tell the right phrase]]. In this case, the phrase was {{For Great Justice}}.
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You now, when the entry spends 99% of its time complaining about the heroes' actions instead of talking about how the villains are not evil, that's a different trope altogether.
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* The {{Kick-Ass}} movie pins [[AntiHero Anti Heroes]] Big Daddy and Hit Girl in a {{Roaring Rampage Of Revenge}} against mobster Frank D'Amico. Altough Frank is an irredeemable {{Complete Monster}} who crosses the {{Moral Event Horizon}} in pretty much every onscreen appearance, the film makes it very clear that the vigilante duo is not only out to get him, but also every person remotely connected to the mobster. And I do mean EVERY PERSON. Hit Girl's kill count even includes Frank's ''doorman'', a prostitute who's trying to escape, and some clueless old dude smoking pot in the corner of a room. Oh, such villainy...
** Oh yeah, and they also kill a helpless informant by locking him in an old car and leaving him in a vehicle compactor. Seriously, once you've managed to mature past marveling at a 12-year-old's idea of "awesome," you notice a ''lot'' of disturbingly sociopathic shit going on here.
** Oh yeah, and they also kill a helpless informant by locking him in an old car and leaving him in a vehicle compactor. Seriously, once you've managed to mature past marveling at a 12-year-old's idea of "awesome," you notice a ''lot'' of disturbingly sociopathic shit going on here.
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* Diana Marshall (played by Jane Badler of ''{{V}}'') was heavily publicised as a villain prior to her introduction on ''Neighbours'', on the basis of her ruthlessness in her quest to bring down Paul and Rosemary. But given that Paul was responsible for embezzling thousands of dollars from his business and Rosemary's willingness to let her nephew get away with it, it's not hard to see Diana as justified in her actions and to want her to win.
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** Oh yeah, and they also kill a helpless informant by locking him in an old car and leaving him in a vehicle compactor. Seriously, once you've managed to mature past marveling at a 12-year-old's idea of "awesome," you notice a ''lot'' of disturbingly sociopathic shit going on here.
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** It's because she disagrees with the heroine's actions and tries to better herself, which are grievous sins in the land of shitty tween romance novels (or so the behavior of actual tweens would lead me to believe).
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*** And all that aside, he still has ''excellent'' reasons to want the main character dead.
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**** He flipped out because David called him on it in front of the entire staff in an extremely unprofessional manner. Try calling your boss pathetic in front of everyone and see what happens.
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* The hyenas in ''TheLionKing'' are clearly not on the side of the protagonists and not exactly the nicest of people. But... that's largely the fault of the heroes themselves. Given a chance to actually have something to eat, the hyenas are completely loyal until they themselves are betrayed. Before Scar, they were essentially banished to a barren wasteland.
* Percy in ''{{Pocahontas}}'' is designated as a villain simply by being the pet of [[BigBad Ratcliffe]]. Although Ratcliffe is a racist, genocidal maniac, Percy is actually a pretty decent dog. While aloof, he certainly isn't arrogant, and he doesn't attack anyone with any provocation. He just seems content with staying in the ship and enjoying his well-off, carefree life. Then [[JerkAss Meeko]] bursts in and steals his food for no reason other than to be a {{Troll}}. And then it all goes downhill from there.
* Percy in ''{{Pocahontas}}'' is designated as a villain simply by being the pet of [[BigBad Ratcliffe]]. Although Ratcliffe is a racist, genocidal maniac, Percy is actually a pretty decent dog. While aloof, he certainly isn't arrogant, and he doesn't attack anyone with any provocation. He just seems content with staying in the ship and enjoying his well-off, carefree life. Then [[JerkAss Meeko]] bursts in and steals his food for no reason other than to be a {{Troll}}. And then it all goes downhill from there.
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* The hyenas in TheLionKing are clearly not on the side of the protagonists and not exactly the nicest of people. But... that's largely the fault of the heroes themselves. Given a chance to actually have something to eat, the hyenas are completely loyal until they themselves are betrayed. Before Scar, they were essentially banished to a barren wasteland.
** Of course, there's the fact that they seemed quite keen to eat Simba and Nala. The deleted reprise of Be Prepared also implied that they used to eat the lions and might still want to.
*** Real lions will eat young hyenas, and real hyenas will eat young lions. Perhaps the real problem is that both the lion pride and hyena pack appear to have grown to ridiculous sizes, such that the territory around Pride Rock could not support both groups. This would explain the over-hunting problem during Scar's reign.
*** Unfortunately the whole thing seems to boil down to the idea [[UnfortunateImplications that scavengers don't belong to the great cicrle of life, and that immigrants are wasteful and evil.]] Really, hyenas aren't physically match for lions, and in RealLife lions bully and kill hyenas far more often than vice versa.
* Percy in {{Pocahontas}} is designated as a villain simply by being the pet of [[BigBad Ratcliffe]]. Although Ratcliffe is a racist, genocidal maniac, Percy is actually a pretty decent dog. While aloof, he certainly isn't arrogant, and he doesn't attack anyone with any provocation. He just seems content with staying in the ship and enjoying his well-off, carefree life. Then [[JerkAss Meeko]] bursts in and steals his food for no reason other than to be a {{Troll}}. And then it all goes downhill from there.
** Of course, there's the fact that they seemed quite keen to eat Simba and Nala. The deleted reprise of Be Prepared also implied that they used to eat the lions and might still want to.
*** Real lions will eat young hyenas, and real hyenas will eat young lions. Perhaps the real problem is that both the lion pride and hyena pack appear to have grown to ridiculous sizes, such that the territory around Pride Rock could not support both groups. This would explain the over-hunting problem during Scar's reign.
*** Unfortunately the whole thing seems to boil down to the idea [[UnfortunateImplications that scavengers don't belong to the great cicrle of life, and that immigrants are wasteful and evil.]] Really, hyenas aren't physically match for lions, and in RealLife lions bully and kill hyenas far more often than vice versa.
* Percy in {{Pocahontas}} is designated as a villain simply by being the pet of [[BigBad Ratcliffe]]. Although Ratcliffe is a racist, genocidal maniac, Percy is actually a pretty decent dog. While aloof, he certainly isn't arrogant, and he doesn't attack anyone with any provocation. He just seems content with staying in the ship and enjoying his well-off, carefree life. Then [[JerkAss Meeko]] bursts in and steals his food for no reason other than to be a {{Troll}}. And then it all goes downhill from there.
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*** The random guy in question being an armed guard. With his weapon drawn. And they didn't shoot him until Godfrey's party actively refused to cooperate, making their intentions obvious. {{So Yeah}}...\n
*** First things first, they weren't the "King's" men. They served the local baron who actually wasn't the real baron in the first place! In the longer DirectorsCut you learn that Balian's father Godfrey is really the rightful baron of the region and that his return threatened the power of his younger brother. The brother then sent his son to lead a group of men after Godfrey's band. The '''real''' reason they came on them in the woods was not to arrest Balian but to assassinate Godfrey so his brother can get his title. You also learn in the longer version that the priest Balian killed was his brother. He ordered Balian's dead wife to be beheaded before burial because she committed suicide. True it was a customary practice at the time but the guy also stole the cross around her neck afterwards and taunts Balian about his wife being in Hell which makes him a JerkAss. Seriously the Director's cut is far superior in general.{{So Yeah}}...
*** First things first, they weren't the "King's" men. They served the local baron who actually wasn't the real baron in the first place! In the longer DirectorsCut you learn that Balian's father Godfrey is really the rightful baron of the region and that his return threatened the power of his younger brother. The brother then sent his son to lead a group of men after Godfrey's band. The '''real''' reason they came on them in the woods was not to arrest Balian but to assassinate Godfrey so his brother can get his title. You also learn in the longer version that the priest Balian killed was his brother. He ordered Balian's dead wife to be beheaded before burial because she committed suicide. True it was a customary practice at the time but the guy also stole the cross around her neck afterwards and taunts Balian about his wife being in Hell which makes him a JerkAss. Seriously the Director's cut is far superior in general.
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* ''FinalFantasyXII'': [[WellIntentionedExtremist Vayne]]'s big evil plan throughout the whole game? Stop evil gods from treating humans like puppets.
** To be fair the heroes also want this; the problem is that Vayne also wants to conquer everything and install himself as the new, [[GreenRocks Nethicite-powered]] [[AGodAmI Dynast-King]], which isn't really necessary. While the protagonists agree with freeing Ivalice from the Occuria, replacing one evil with another isn't quite desirable.
** The whole point of Vayne [[spoiler:and by extension, Venat]] was that he was a bloody hypocrite. Sure, the evil gods are treating humans like puppets...but the cold hard truth is that he just wants to be the puppeteer. So we go from overthrowing one set of tyrannical, enslaving beings to just one tyrannical, enslaving being. Um...yay?
** To be fair the heroes also want this; the problem is that Vayne also wants to conquer everything and install himself as the new, [[GreenRocks Nethicite-powered]] [[AGodAmI Dynast-King]], which isn't really necessary. While the protagonists agree with freeing Ivalice from the Occuria, replacing one evil with another isn't quite desirable.
** The whole point of Vayne [[spoiler:and by extension, Venat]] was that he was a bloody hypocrite. Sure, the evil gods are treating humans like puppets...but the cold hard truth is that he just wants to be the puppeteer. So we go from overthrowing one set of tyrannical, enslaving beings to just one tyrannical, enslaving being. Um...yay?
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* The Kuhoin family of ''{{Kurenai}}'' [[spoiler:keep the female member of the family isolated in an area of their family estate so that they can bear the children of their brothers and other male relatives. While this does of a certain element of {{Squick}} to it. It is justified by the fact the entire family suffers from a condition that means that this is the only way *any* of them can ever have children,]] so really, they are just doing what that have to do in order to survive and insure the next generation of their family.
** But if you're trying to pin anything on Benika or Shinkurou, [[PunchClockVillain remember that they were hired]]. They grew fond of the job, but still, they were hired first.
** But if you're trying to pin anything on Benika or Shinkurou, [[PunchClockVillain remember that they were hired]]. They grew fond of the job, but still, they were hired first.
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** All the same, [[TheAtoner it was the old Tony Stark who did that to him]], and two wrongs don't make a right.
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** In a particularly famous episode, Burgess Meredith plays a bookworm type who spends the whole episode being abused by every person he meets, and only wants to be alone with his books. Then a nuke wipes out the entire city while he's safe in a bank vault, and he's finally free to read his books in peace...until his reading glasses break. Unfair OuterLimitsTwist? No, WordOfGod says this was his just punishment for [[LonersAreFreaks being antisocial]].
** What's weird is that in the short story it's based on, the "bookworm type" in question was portrayed as a decent man in a deeply screwed-up society that never gave people time to themselves, and the ending was straight-up ShootTheShaggyDog.
** ''Anti-social''? So [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop book reading leads to being anti-social and hated?]] And wait, wasn't that character perfectly happy to read to his wife when she asked him to? Or is reading to/with someone [[WallBanger not social behavior?]]
*** The point was that he wanted to be able to read to the exclusion of all else -- remember the end of the episode and how pants-wettingly happy he is that even though all the people are gone, and indeed ''because'' all the people are gone, he can read all he wants. Then his glasses break as karmic punishment for the fact that his entire species just went extinct and he doesn't give a slap. Also, his interest in reading to his wife can't possibly be a mitigating factor, because in context it's basically like when your girlfriend watches you play Halo or something and then you call it "quality time".
* In the {{Legend of the Seeker}} episode "Broken", Cara is on trial for the atrocities she commited as a Mord'Sith. To her defence, it is revealed that Mord'Sith are actually abducted as young girls, [[BreakTheCutie then horribly tortured and brainwashed]] [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil until they become heartless killing machines]]. They were unwilling victims of the D'Haran more than anything else. Cara is ultimately forgiven for this reason. However, during the trial, they arrest another Mord'Sith hiding in the assistance : Cara's mentor, the one who abducted and trained her. They then proceed to condemn this woman to what is described as [[ColdBloodedTorture the most painful death in existence]]. [[MoralDissonance Everybody seems totally oblivious to the fact that, as a Mord'Sith, this woman endured the same fate as Cara, and so is every bit as much of a victim...]]
** Actually, Cara was forgiven because she was a victim AND repented, while the other Mord'Sith did not repent and would have gone on killing. This does not make the Mord'Sith any less of a Designated Villian, but the death of Cara's mentor is at least somewhat justified.
** What's weird is that in the short story it's based on, the "bookworm type" in question was portrayed as a decent man in a deeply screwed-up society that never gave people time to themselves, and the ending was straight-up ShootTheShaggyDog.
** ''Anti-social''? So [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop book reading leads to being anti-social and hated?]] And wait, wasn't that character perfectly happy to read to his wife when she asked him to? Or is reading to/with someone [[WallBanger not social behavior?]]
*** The point was that he wanted to be able to read to the exclusion of all else -- remember the end of the episode and how pants-wettingly happy he is that even though all the people are gone, and indeed ''because'' all the people are gone, he can read all he wants. Then his glasses break as karmic punishment for the fact that his entire species just went extinct and he doesn't give a slap. Also, his interest in reading to his wife can't possibly be a mitigating factor, because in context it's basically like when your girlfriend watches you play Halo or something and then you call it "quality time".
* In the {{Legend of the Seeker}} episode "Broken", Cara is on trial for the atrocities she commited as a Mord'Sith. To her defence, it is revealed that Mord'Sith are actually abducted as young girls, [[BreakTheCutie then horribly tortured and brainwashed]] [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil until they become heartless killing machines]]. They were unwilling victims of the D'Haran more than anything else. Cara is ultimately forgiven for this reason. However, during the trial, they arrest another Mord'Sith hiding in the assistance : Cara's mentor, the one who abducted and trained her. They then proceed to condemn this woman to what is described as [[ColdBloodedTorture the most painful death in existence]]. [[MoralDissonance Everybody seems totally oblivious to the fact that, as a Mord'Sith, this woman endured the same fate as Cara, and so is every bit as much of a victim...]]
** Actually, Cara was forgiven because she was a victim AND repented, while the other Mord'Sith did not repent and would have gone on killing. This does not make the Mord'Sith any less of a Designated Villian, but the death of Cara's mentor is at least somewhat justified.
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** In a particularly famous episode, Burgess Meredith plays a bookworm type who spends the whole episode being abused by every person he meets, and only wants to be alone with his books. Then a nuke wipes out the entire city while he's safe in a bank vault, and he's finally free to read his books in peace...until his reading glasses break. Unfair OuterLimitsTwist? No, WordOfGod says this was his just punishment for [[LonersAreFreaks being antisocial]].
** What's weird is that in the short story it's based on, the "bookworm type" in question was portrayed as a decent man in a deeply screwed-up society that never gave people time to themselves, and the ending was straight-up ShootTheShaggyDog.
** ''Anti-social''? So [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop book reading leads to being anti-social and hated?]] And wait, wasn't thathis misanthropy]]. That said, Meredith's character perfectly happy (while perhaps preferring books to read to his wife when she asked him to? Or is reading to/with someone [[WallBanger not social behavior?]]
*** The point was that he wanted to be able to read to the exclusion of all else -- remember the end of the episode and how pants-wettingly happy he is that even though all thepeople) comes off as very sympathetic in a world where people are gone, and indeed ''because'' all the people are gone, he can read all he wants. Then his glasses break as karmic punishment for the fact that his entire species just went extinct and he doesn't give a slap. Also, his interest in reading to his wife can't possibly be a mitigating factor, because in context it's basically act like when your girlfriend watches you play Halo or something and then you call it "quality time".
such jerks.
* In the {{Legend of the Seeker}} episode "Broken", Cara is on trial for the atrocities she commited as a Mord'Sith. To her defence, it is revealed that Mord'Sith are actually abducted as young girls, [[BreakTheCutie then horribly tortured and brainwashed]] [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil until they become heartless killing machines]]. They were unwilling victims of the D'Haran more than anything else. Cara is ultimately forgiven for this reason. However, during the trial, they arrest another Mord'Sith hiding in the assistance : Cara's mentor, the one who abducted and trained her. They then proceed to condemn this woman to what is described as [[ColdBloodedTorture the most painful death in existence]]. [[MoralDissonance Everybody seems totally oblivious to the fact that, as a Mord'Sith, this woman endured the same fate as Cara, and so is every bit as much of a victim...]]
** Actually,]] (It could be argued that Cara was forgiven because she was a victim AND repented, while the other Mord'Sith did not repent and would have gone on killing. This does not make the Mord'Sith any less of a Designated Villian, but the death of Cara's mentor is at least somewhat justified. )
** What's weird is that in the short story it's based on, the "bookworm type" in question was portrayed as a decent man in a deeply screwed-up society that never gave people time to themselves, and the ending was straight-up ShootTheShaggyDog.
** ''Anti-social''? So [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop book reading leads to being anti-social and hated?]] And wait, wasn't that
*** The point was that he wanted to be able to read to the exclusion of all else -- remember the end of the episode and how pants-wettingly happy he is that even though all the
* In the {{Legend of the Seeker}} episode "Broken", Cara is on trial for the atrocities she commited as a Mord'Sith. To her defence, it is revealed that Mord'Sith are actually abducted as young girls, [[BreakTheCutie then horribly tortured and brainwashed]] [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil until they become heartless killing machines]]. They were unwilling victims of the D'Haran more than anything else. Cara is ultimately forgiven for this reason. However, during the trial, they arrest another Mord'Sith hiding in the assistance : Cara's mentor, the one who abducted and trained her. They then proceed to condemn this woman to what is described as [[ColdBloodedTorture the most painful death in existence]]. [[MoralDissonance Everybody seems totally oblivious to the fact that, as a Mord'Sith, this woman endured the same fate as Cara, and so is every bit as much of a victim...
** Actually,
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Designated Villains are sometimes given examples of OffstageVillainy, loosely hinted, vague "bad deeds" or reputation that the audience never gets to see, happening to [[AMillionIsAStatistic characters that the audience never gets a chance to care about]]. Either that, or they may commit acts of DesignatedEvil, where all the cues are there to indicate that the writer wants the audience to think these are evil, horrible actions even if they're not so bad (or even understandable). Occasionally, their "evil" consists entirely of being mean or rude to the hero... while being very nice and even heroic to everyone else. Expect "heroes" with ProtagonistCenteredMorality to consider them evil regardless.
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Designated Villains are sometimes given examples of OffstageVillainy, loosely hinted, vague "bad deeds" or reputation that the audience never gets to see, happening to [[AMillionIsAStatistic characters that the audience never gets a chance to care about]]. OffstageVillainy. Either that, or they may commit acts of DesignatedEvil, where all the cues are there to indicate that the writer wants the audience to think these are evil, horrible actions even if they're not so bad (or even understandable).at all. Occasionally, their "evil" consists entirely of being mean or rude to the hero... while being very nice and even heroic to everyone else. Expect "heroes" with ProtagonistCenteredMorality to consider them evil regardless.
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Remember that you can't have a designated villain without a designated hero, but the opposite isn't true.
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* Also Don John in MuchAdoAboutNothing, who has as speech near the start in which he tells a henchman, "It must not be denied but I am a plain-dealing villain [...] Let me be that I am and seek not to alter me."
** No. Don John may tell the audience in Act I that he's the badguy, but he then ''proves'' it by doing all the bad things that happen in the play. There's no 'designated' here.
***Actually, he fits the trope only because he makes Claudio look better.
** No. Don John may tell the audience in Act I that he's the badguy, but he then ''proves'' it by doing all the bad things that happen in the play. There's no 'designated' here.
***Actually, he fits the trope only because he makes Claudio look better.
