Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Main / ContestedSequel

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* ''Doom 3'' is either a scary survival horror interpretation of the classic franchise, or it's a game that tosses out everything fun about the first two games, while keeping all the things players grew to loathe about them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Unlike the first film, Final Destination 2's methods of killing off the players were at least plausible, especially compared to the killer shower head in the first movie. This alone reduced the cheesiness of an otherwise interesting concept in some viewer's minds.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{New Super Mario Bros. Wii}} is the very definition of this.

to:

* {{New [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NewSuperMarioBrosWii New Super Mario Bros. Wii}} Wii]] is the very definition of this.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* {{New Super Mario Bros. Wii}} is the very definition of this.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* The {{Scream}} trilogy has been quite contested as well. None of the fans seem to agree on which movie was the best or the worst. Some say that the 3rd was the weakest of the series. Others say it was an improvement over the second, but both pale in comparison to [[FirstInstallmentWins the first.]] Then there are some who say that the second was better than the first, [[YourMileageMayVary and so on and so forth...]]
Camacan MOD

Changed: 16

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Add a link to Iain Banks.


* Larry Niven had originally intended ''{{Ringworld}}'' to be a one-off novel, but many fans wrote in to point out scientific or practical errors such as the fact that the Ringworld is unstable and the question of why its builders didn't build lots of small rings (a la Iain M. Banks's ''[[TheCulture Culture]]'' novels) instead, which would be much easier to defend. Niven decided to write ''The Ringworld Engineers'' to address these questions. Whether this addition improved the Ringworld or merely diluted its premise is a matter of debate among fans.

to:

* Larry Niven had originally intended ''{{Ringworld}}'' to be a one-off novel, but many fans wrote in to point out scientific or practical errors such as the fact that the Ringworld is unstable and the question of why its builders didn't build lots of small rings (a la [[IainMBanks Iain M. Banks's Banks']] ''[[TheCulture Culture]]'' novels) instead, which would be much easier to defend. Niven decided to write ''The Ringworld Engineers'' to address these questions. Whether this addition improved the Ringworld or merely diluted its premise is a matter of debate among fans.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The first three Crash games and Crash Team Racing were made by Naughty Dog. Everything after that is [[BrokenBase hotly contested]]. Some say Crash Bash was still good, some say more or all of the games were good, and some only like the new games.

to:

* The first three Crash CrashBandicoot games and Crash Team Racing were made by Naughty Dog. Everything after that is [[BrokenBase hotly contested]]. Some say Crash Bash was still good, some say more or all of the games were good, and some only like the new games.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* The first three Crash games and Crash Team Racing were made by Naughty Dog. Everything after that is [[BrokenBase hotly contested]]. Some say Crash Bash was still good, some say more or all of the games were good, and some only like the new games.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''MegaMan'' has entire series that are contested in this manner, particularly ''MegaManBattleNetwork'' and its followup ''MegaManStarForce''. {{RPG}}s and platformers being such different genres, this is probably to be expected.

to:

* ''MegaMan'' ''Mega Man'' has entire series that are contested in this manner, particularly ''MegaManBattleNetwork'' and its followup ''MegaManStarForce''. {{RPG}}s and platformers being such different genres, this is probably to be expected.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Though almost all agree the revamped Scarecrow design was ''awesome.''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The Subjective Tropes tag adds the Subjective Banner to all the pages that RIGHTFULLY NEED IT.


----

to:

--------
<<|SubjectiveTropes|>>
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** To be fair, the original Macross had a lot of silly moments as well, just not to the extent of Macross 7.


Added DiffLines:

** [=Force=] is a good example as well. A lot of fans dislike the new characters, the slow pace, the overall DarkerAndEdgier feeling, and [[spoiler:Signum suffering the WorfEffect.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''GundamZZ'' gets a lot of flak, being a complete reversal of its predecessor - trying to be funny when ''ZetaGundam'' was a serious war drama, though its fans tend to agree that it gets better once it stops joking around. In fact, some fans try to contest just the first part, claiming that it was directed by someone other than [[YoshiyukiTomino Tomino]] (it wasn't, and [[WordOfGod he himself]] was behind the lighter atmosphere.

to:

* ''GundamZZ'' gets a lot of flak, being a complete reversal of its predecessor - trying to be funny when ''ZetaGundam'' was a serious war drama, though its fans tend to agree that it gets better once it stops joking around. In fact, some fans try to contest just the first part, claiming that it was directed by someone other than [[YoshiyukiTomino Tomino]] (it wasn't, and [[WordOfGod he himself]] was behind the lighter atmosphere.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* [[strike:Three]] Five Words: ''MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny''.

to:

* [[strike:Three]] Five Words: ''MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* [[{{Naruto}} Naruto Shippuden]] has become a Contested Sequel overtime due to the [[SpotlightStealingSquad focus put on Sasuke and the Uchiha's]].

to:

* [[{{Naruto}} ''[[{{Naruto}} Naruto Shippuden]] Shippuden]]'' has become a Contested Sequel overtime due to the [[SpotlightStealingSquad focus put on Sasuke and the Uchiha's]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Three Words: ''GundamSeedDestiny''.

to:

* Three [[strike:Three]] Five Words: ''GundamSeedDestiny''.''MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None




to:

\n* Supream Commander 2 removed the epic scale maps and unit options in return for imtimite battles and more detail. makeing it easy for casual gamers to fight short battles.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* [[{{Naruto}} Naruto Shippuden]] has become a Contested Sequel overtime due to the [[SpotlightStealingSquad focus put on Sasuke and the Uchiha's]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''GundamZZ'' gets a lot of flak, being a complete reversal of its predecessor - trying to be funny when ''ZetaGundam'' was a serious war drama, though its fans tend to agree that it gets better once it stops joking around.

to:

* ''GundamZZ'' gets a lot of flak, being a complete reversal of its predecessor - trying to be funny when ''ZetaGundam'' was a serious war drama, though its fans tend to agree that it gets better once it stops joking around. In fact, some fans try to contest just the first part, claiming that it was directed by someone other than [[YoshiyukiTomino Tomino]] (it wasn't, and [[WordOfGod he himself]] was behind the lighter atmosphere.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** A main complaint was [[spoiler:as close as the original trilogy came, it never quite broke WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief because the crazy stuff happened after you'd slowly been worked to accept it. The 4th film broke people's WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief with a nuclear-powered sledgehammer far too early in the film, instead of easing people into the nazi-face-melting like the earlier films did]].

Added: 435

Changed: 932

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The multiplayer, as well, especially online multiplayer. While it's great on its own, it had one crippling feature: in a three- or four-player battle, if only one player disconnects, ''[[WallBanger the entire match ends]]'', instead of cutting off the quitter and keeping the match going with the remaining players.
* ''SuperSmashBros Brawl'' suffers from this in certain communities, especially competitive ones. The removal of several techniques (L-cancelling from the first two) and exploits (wavedashing) and the tripping mechanic (which randomly causes characters to trip when dashing or turning sharply) has led some to declare it a game not fit for tournament play. But then you have some who like it for that very reason.

to:

** Also: that the game '''is''' ''incredibly'' repetitive.
***
The multiplayer, as well, especially online multiplayer. While it's great on its own, it had one crippling feature: in a three- or four-player battle, if only one player disconnects, ''[[WallBanger the entire match ends]]'', instead of cutting off the quitter and keeping the match going with the remaining players.
* ''SuperSmashBros Brawl'' suffers from this in certain communities, especially competitive ones. The removal of several techniques (L-cancelling from the first two) and exploits (wavedashing) and the tripping mechanic (which randomly causes characters to trip when dashing or turning sharply) has led some [[StopHavingFunGuys some]] to declare it a game not fit for tournament play. But then you have some who like it for that very reason.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** ''[[BatmanTheMovie "Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb!"]]''

Changed: 191

Removed: 272

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* While no one calls ''HellboyII'' a bad movie, fans disagree as to whether it was an improvement on the original in every way, or whether the increased focus on the mythos and spectacle really detracted from the characterization and general heart that the first film had.



** Although some criticize just the turning of the suave agent into a rough and brutal [[TheBourneSeries Bourne]]-like agent. [[OlderThanTheyThink Which is how Bond was.]] Fleming's Bond in [[Literature/JamesBond the novels]] is very much like the Daniel Craig, as was Connery in ''DrNo'' and ''FromRussiaWithLove''.

to:

** Although some criticize just the turning of the suave agent into a rough and brutal [[TheBourneSeries Bourne]]-like agent. [[OlderThanTheyThink Which is how Bond was.]] Fleming's Bond in [[Literature/JamesBond the novels]] is very much like the Daniel Craig, as was Connery in ''DrNo'' and ''FromRussiaWithLove''.

Changed: 56

Removed: 755

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Explain the "Contested" Part please.


* ''SuperSmashBros Brawl'' suffers from this in certain communities, especially competitive ones. The removal of several techniques (L-cancelling from the first two) and exploits (wavedashing) and the tripping mechanic (which randomly causes characters to trip when dashing or turning sharply) has led some to declare it a game not fit for tournament play.

to:

* ''SuperSmashBros Brawl'' suffers from this in certain communities, especially competitive ones. The removal of several techniques (L-cancelling from the first two) and exploits (wavedashing) and the tripping mechanic (which randomly causes characters to trip when dashing or turning sharply) has led some to declare it a game not fit for tournament play. But then you have some who like it for that very reason.



* ''Total Drama Action'', the second season/sequel to ''TotalDramaIsland''. There are several reasons: a good number of characters were cut, including a few {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s; the main couple from season one broke up [[DerailingLoveInterests for very bizarre reasons]]; story arcs were hinted at and then [[AbortedArc abandoned]]; and, most of all, the entire second half of the season was [[SpotlightStealingSquad devoured]] by Courtney, a previous fan favorite who suddenly [[CharacterDerailment transformed]] into a [[VillainSue villainous]] JerkSue who [[AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale beat up]] her [[DracoInLeatherPants boyfriend Duncan]] at the slightest provocation. [[{{Understatement}} Fans are hoping that season three will be better]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** For PC gamers, the major complaint with Modern Warfare 2 was the lack of Dedicated Servers and mod tools.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''ChronoCross'' was destined for this by being the only ''ChronoTrigger'' sequel. There are a lot of people who loved the mood of the game, the huge cast of characters, and the fact the plot seemed to delight in tying rather darkly into its predecessor. Needless to say, the other half of the Chrono fandom hates it for those exact reasons. Well, that and the epic MindScrew GainaxEnding.

to:

* ''ChronoCross'' was destined for this by being the only ''ChronoTrigger'' sequel. There are a lot of people who loved the mood of the game, the huge cast of characters, and the fact the plot seemed to delight in tying [[WhatWereWeFightingFor rather darkly darkly]] into its predecessor. Needless to say, the other half of the Chrono fandom hates it for those exact reasons. Well, that and the epic MindScrew GainaxEnding.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Go to a {{Sierra}} fans and ask if ''Mask of Eternity'' is a KingsQuest game. Then ask them if it's a ''good'' game. Make sure to bring chocolate, marshmallows, and [[IncrediblyLamePun Graham crackers]] for the inevitable cookout.

to:

* Go to a {{Sierra}} fans fan board and ask if ''Mask of Eternity'' is a KingsQuest game. Then ask them if it's a ''good'' game. Make sure to bring chocolate, marshmallows, and [[IncrediblyLamePun Graham crackers]] for the inevitable cookout.cookout.

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Go to a {{Sierra}} fans and ask if ''Mask of Eternity'' is a KingsQuest game. Then ask them if it's a ''good'' game. Make sure to bring chocolate, marshmallows, and [[IncrediblyLamePun Graham crackers]] for the inevitable cookout.

Added: 182

Changed: 281

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** The fourth film could be seen as contested as well - there are plenty of positive reviews for it on Imdb. There are plenty of fans who are content with all four movies being made.

to:

*** There is a belief than the studio made the ''wrong'' film due to ExecutiveMeddling. There are a number of alternate scripts and rewrites in existence (including one by WilliamGibson) which offer completely different scenarios.
**
The fourth film could be seen as contested as well - there are plenty of positive reviews for it on Imdb. There are plenty of fans who are content with all four movies being made.

Top