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->''"If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack."''
-->--'''UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill'''
AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtly done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
An "anvil," meanwhile, is a ''heavy-handed'' ethics lesson. In fact, it's so heavy-handed that you could say it's like getting hit with an anvil. Hence the name.
Anvils are [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
That said, ''just because'' it's clumsily done does not mean it's an anvil. It must be (1) some kind of ethics lesson and (2) heavy-handed. So, the creator must actually give the audience something to be learned, like "Slavery is wrong" in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''. It must also be heavy-handed, like [[AuthorFilibuster stopping the story in order to explain]] the evils of slavery in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''.
While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtly that it might not even exist.
Other types of Aesops are prone to this, however, such as CaptainObviousAesop, ScareEmStraight, and HardTruthAesop. Basically, if the writer is climbing uphill, then they may be inclined to make an anvil rather than an Aesop.
Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}}. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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-->--'''UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill'''
AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtly done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
An "anvil," meanwhile, is a ''heavy-handed'' ethics lesson. In fact, it's so heavy-handed that you could say it's like getting hit with an anvil. Hence the name.
Anvils are [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
That said, ''just because'' it's clumsily done does not mean it's an anvil. It must be (1) some kind of ethics lesson and (2) heavy-handed. So, the creator must actually give the audience something to be learned, like "Slavery is wrong" in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''. It must also be heavy-handed, like [[AuthorFilibuster stopping the story in order to explain]] the evils of slavery in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''.
While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtly that it might not even exist.
Other types of Aesops are prone to this, however, such as CaptainObviousAesop, ScareEmStraight, and HardTruthAesop. Basically, if the writer is climbing uphill, then they may be inclined to make an anvil rather than an Aesop.
Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}}. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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-->--'''UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill'''
AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtly done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
An "anvil," meanwhile, is a ''heavy-handed'' ethics lesson. In fact, it's so heavy-handed that you could say it's like getting hit with an anvil. Hence the name.
Anvils are [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
That said, ''just because'' it's clumsily done does not mean it's an anvil. It must be (1) some kind of ethics lesson and (2) heavy-handed. So, the creator must actually give the audience something to be learned, like "Slavery is wrong" in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''. It must also be heavy-handed, like [[AuthorFilibuster stopping the story in order to explain]] the evils of slavery in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''.
While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtly that it might not even exist.
Other types of Aesops are prone to this, however, such as CaptainObviousAesop, ScareEmStraight, and HardTruthAesop. Basically, if the writer is climbing uphill, then they may be inclined to make an anvil rather than an Aesop.
Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}}. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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->''"If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack."''
-->--'''UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill'''
-->--'''UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill'''
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Anvilicious and Some Anvils Need To Be Dropped are the same trope
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Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.{{Anvilicious}}. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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Anvils are [[TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
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Anvils are [[TropesAreTools [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
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Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.PropagandaPiece.
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AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtley done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
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AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtley subtly done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
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While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtley that it might not even exist.
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While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtley subtly that it might not even exist.
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This is a supertrope for {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped as discussed in the TRS thread [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1547911310051025500&page=4#comment-77 here.]] The crowner has been called in favor of making a supertrope. That was the only option where the yays had it.
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Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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This is a supertrope for {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped as discussed in the TRS thread [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1547911310051025500&page=4#comment-77 here.]] The crowner has been called in favor of making a supertrope. That was the only option where the yays had it.
The following is the mock-up mentioned in the crowner, edited in light of the discussion below.
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AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtley done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
An "anvil," meanwhile, is a ''heavy-handed'' ethics lesson. In fact, it's so heavy-handed that you could say it's like getting hit with an anvil. Hence the name.
Anvils are [[TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
That said, ''just because'' it's clumsily done does not mean it's an anvil. It must be (1) some kind of ethics lesson and (2) heavy-handed. So, the creator must actually give the audience something to be learned, like "Slavery is wrong" in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''. It must also be heavy-handed, like [[AuthorFilibuster stopping the story in order to explain]] the evils of slavery in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''.
While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtley that it might not even exist.
Other types of Aesops are prone to this, however, such as CaptainObviousAesop, ScareEmStraight, and HardTruthAesop. Basically, if the writer is climbing uphill, then they may be inclined to make an anvil rather than an Aesop.
Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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The following is the mock-up mentioned in the crowner, edited in light of the discussion below.
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AnAesop is a given work's ethics lesson; it's the whole point of the work. Usually, it's [[ShowDontTell shown to the audience]] in such a way as to not interfere with watching the show or reading the book, and then it might be stated or made more clear by the end of the work. Ethics philosophers might be referenced and famous thought experiments might be shown, but it's usually subtley done so as not to interfere with the story. We generally just call these morals, and if they're ever stated outright, they're likely in the forms of aphorisms. Here on Wiki/TVTropes, we call these aphorisms "Aesops."
An "anvil," meanwhile, is a ''heavy-handed'' ethics lesson. In fact, it's so heavy-handed that you could say it's like getting hit with an anvil. Hence the name.
Anvils are [[TropesAreTools tools]], first and foremost. They could be "done poorly" and they could be "done well," but at the end of the day, an anvil is simply what it is: a clumsy ethics lesson that insists upon itself.
That said, ''just because'' it's clumsily done does not mean it's an anvil. It must be (1) some kind of ethics lesson and (2) heavy-handed. So, the creator must actually give the audience something to be learned, like "Slavery is wrong" in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''. It must also be heavy-handed, like [[AuthorFilibuster stopping the story in order to explain]] the evils of slavery in ''Literature/UncleTomsCabin''.
While the lesson doesn't need to be "successful," it does still need to be a coherent lesson. Thus, if the work contradicts its own Aesop, then it isn't an anvil but rather a BrokenAesop. Moreover, the lesson must be heavy-handed, so if the Aesop isn't intentional, it isn't quite an anvil but an AccidentalAesop. In addition, a LostAesop is the total opposite of an anvil, as it's done so subtley that it might not even exist.
Other types of Aesops are prone to this, however, such as CaptainObviousAesop, ScareEmStraight, and HardTruthAesop. Basically, if the writer is climbing uphill, then they may be inclined to make an anvil rather than an Aesop.
Sister trope to AnAesop. Contrast LostAesop. Specific aphorisms can be found on StockAesops. Supertrope to {{Anvilicious}} and SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. See also AuthorTract and PropagandaPiece.
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