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* An in-universe example: In SMStirling's {{Emberverse}}, most of Earth's population died following the Change, which rendered guns and most forms of power generation inoperable. Twenty-plus years later, most of those born since the Change take living in such a death-ridden world for granted; some of the young protagonists even ridicule most pre-Change humans for being so incompetent at survival skills. While exploring Toronto's CN Tower, however, they discover the skeletons of a woman (apparently a Change-time suicide) and her cat, and are deeply moved by the evidence of these particular deaths.

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** The fandom hates Vriska for [[spoiler: crippling [[TheWoobie Tavros]]]] at least as much as they do [[spoiler: Jack Noir]] for killing absurd numbers of pawns.

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** The fandom hates Vriska for [[spoiler: crippling [[TheWoobie Tavros]]]] Tavros]], killing Aradia, and blinding Terezi]] at least as much as they do [[spoiler: Jack Noir]] for killing absurd numbers of pawns.pawns.
*** With the exception of eight humans and 12 trolls, the entire human and troll races all died. [[spoiler:Lord English also went and (probably) killed everyone else in the troll incipisphere, meaning the known population of 3/4 dimensions (and a good chunk of the remaining one, thanks to Jack) are all dead.]] No one really cares.
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** Imperial Guard Commander Chenkov of the Valhallan 18th is mentioned as sacrificing ''10 million'' Guardsmen without using artillery or armored support in a single conflict in order to end a year long siege. He did get a nice merit for it though.
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*** Arguably, he still is a child; physically and especially emotionally.
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* BobAndGeorge: [[http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/050201 Mega Man points out that sacrificing Mike might save thousands. That's his reason. Really.]]
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** There's also the battle at the Northern Air Temple. There's absolutely no way Aang failed to kill at least a few of the soldiers in those tanks that he ''tossed over the side of a cliff''.

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* Often overlooked (since it [[AllThereInTheManual happens before the show]]) in MobileSuitGundam, Zeon kills the majority of people living in space in the beginning stages of the war. This was once calculated as being the second-highest body count of any faction in the franchise's history (only the mass ColonyDrop that preceded GundamX outdid it). Strangely, [[DracoInLeatherPants this hasn't hurt Zeon's popularity any]].

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* Often overlooked (since it [[AllThereInTheManual happens before the show]]) in MobileSuitGundam, Zeon kills the majority of people living in space in the beginning stages of the war. This was once calculated as being the second-highest body count of any faction in the franchise's history (only the mass ColonyDrop that preceded GundamX GundamX, killing over 99% of the population, outdid it). Strangely, [[DracoInLeatherPants this hasn't hurt Zeon's popularity any]].


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** In fact, ''both'' sides were responsible for that. Zeon and the Federation were indiscriminately throwing nukes back and forth at each other (plus the ColonyDrop that caused additional mass casualties on Earth), until they realized they were on the verge of ''both'' being wiped out and signed a treaty banning all WMDs.

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In other words, when some sort of {{tragedy}} befalls a character such as TheHero (or even the BigBad), the audience is expected to sympathize with him or perhaps even cry for him. However, the RedshirtArmy can be sacrificed with reckless abandon, and no one will so much as bat an eyelash. The death of a [[WhatMeasureIsANonUnique single plot-important character]] is a tragic and often pivotal point; the deaths of thousands of faceless {{Mook}}s, even if by [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]], are simply [[WhatMeasureIsAMook background noise]], so to speak.

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In other words, when some sort of {{tragedy}} befalls a character such as TheHero (or even the BigBad), the audience is expected to sympathize with him or perhaps even cry for him. However, the RedshirtArmy can be sacrificed with reckless abandon, and no one will so much as bat an eyelash. The death of a [[WhatMeasureIsANonUnique single plot-important character]] is a tragic and often pivotal point; the deaths of thousands of faceless {{Mook}}s, even if by [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]], are simply [[WhatMeasureIsAMook background noise]], so to speak.
speak. As long as the victims are sufficiently faceless, even a FinalSolution can be considered [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide not worth making any fuzz about]].
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Psychologically, proximity is more important than magnitude. Often ties into OffstageVillainy, since the larger atrocities can't be displayed onscreen in full magnitude. Writers who want to avert this effect must deploy such tricks as the EmpathyDollShot, TheDeadHaveNames, or personalizing some victims, to suggest the faces of the [[FacelessMooks faceless victims.]] Since MenAreTheExpendableGender, this sort of ADeathInTheLimelight is more often [[WouldntHitAGirl female]] or [[ChildrenAreInnocent children]] especially [[HeartwarmingOrphan orphans]] or, if male, [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown injured]].

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Psychologically, proximity is more important than magnitude. Often ties into OffstageVillainy, since the larger atrocities can't be displayed onscreen in full magnitude. Writers who want to avert this effect must deploy such tricks as the EmpathyDollShot, TheDeadHaveNames, or personalizing some victims, to suggest the faces of the [[FacelessMooks faceless victims.]] Since MenAreTheExpendableGender, this sort of ADeathInTheLimelight is more often [[WouldntHitAGirl female]] or [[ChildrenAreInnocent children]] especially [[HeartwarmingOrphan orphans]] or, if male, [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown injured]].
injured]]. [[WatchingTroyBurn Strong reactions by main characters can also help.]]
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** Subverted in the last [[{{Discontinuity}} official novel]], in which the Bene Gesserit realize that their GeneticMemory makes them inescapably aware of and responsible for each and every atrocity committed by the human race, however far removed it may be in time or space.

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** Subverted in the last [[{{Discontinuity}} official novel]], novel, in which the Bene Gesserit realize that their GeneticMemory makes them inescapably aware of and responsible for each and every atrocity committed by the human race, however far removed it may be in time or space.
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*** And considering how many of his victims are already being in prison for their crimes, it's fair to say that even {{Dexter}} would not approve.
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-> ''"A single death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic."''

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-> ''"A single death is a tragedy; [[TropeNamer a million is a statistic.statistic]]."''
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* ''{{Risk}}''. Granted, you're just rolling dice and moving pieces of plastic around. You never stop to consider how many Green soldiers you would be sending to their deaths just to seize Kamchatka from the Blue Army.
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Psychologically, proximity is more important than magnitude. Often ties into OffstageVillainy, since the larger atrocities can't be displayed onscreen in full magnitude. Writers who want to avert this effect must deploy such tricks as the EmpathyDollShot, or personalizing some victims, to suggest the faces of the [[FacelessMooks faceless victims.]] Since MenAreTheExpendableGender, this sort of ADeathInTheLimelight is more often [[WouldntHitAGirl female]] or [[ChildrenAreInnocent children]] especially [[HeartwarmingOrphan orphans]] or, if male, [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown injured]].

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Psychologically, proximity is more important than magnitude. Often ties into OffstageVillainy, since the larger atrocities can't be displayed onscreen in full magnitude. Writers who want to avert this effect must deploy such tricks as the EmpathyDollShot, TheDeadHaveNames, or personalizing some victims, to suggest the faces of the [[FacelessMooks faceless victims.]] Since MenAreTheExpendableGender, this sort of ADeathInTheLimelight is more often [[WouldntHitAGirl female]] or [[ChildrenAreInnocent children]] especially [[HeartwarmingOrphan orphans]] or, if male, [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown injured]].

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* Both played straight and averted in ''{{Erfworld}}''. "Lord Hamster" wins a siege by [[spoiler:setting off the volcanic caldera under the city, wiping out almost everyone from ''both'' sides. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone He's pissed that he had to resort to that to survive]]. He's ''equally'' pissed that he had to sacrifice his loyal servant shortly beforehand.]]



* Both played straight and averted in ''{{Erfworld}}''. "Lord Hamster" wins a siege by [[spoiler:setting off the volcanic caldera under the city, wiping out almost everyone from ''both'' sides. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone He's pissed that he had to resort to that to survive]]. He's ''equally'' pissed that he had to sacrifice his loyal servant shortly beforehand.]]

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* Both played straight and averted in ''{{Erfworld}}''. "Lord Hamster" wins a siege by [[spoiler:setting off the volcanic caldera under the city, wiping out almost everyone from ''both'' sides. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone He's pissed that he had to resort to that to survive]]. He's ''equally'' pissed that he had to sacrifice his loyal servant shortly beforehand.]]
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* Both played straight and averted in ''{{Erfworld}}''. "Lord Hamster" wins a siege by [[spoiler:setting off the volcanic caldera under the city, wiping out almost everyone from ''both'' sides. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone He's pissed that he had to resort to that to survive]]. He's ''equally'' pissed that he had to sacrifice his loyal servant shortly beforehand.]]
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* AustinPowers has related scenes (which were, for some reason, deleted from the American version) for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, [[YouBastardall of which have been greviously affected by their death]].

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* AustinPowers has related scenes (which were, for some reason, deleted from the American version) for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, [[YouBastardall [[YouBastard all of which have been greviously affected by their death]].
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There are more people with the international version than the American version, so I don't see why the American version should take presidence.


* Deleted scenes (still present in most international cuts) in AustinPowers have related scenes for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, all of which have been greviously affected by their death. The scenes were presumably removed for slowing down the pace of the movie, and for making you feel like crap for laughing at a guy who was too stupid to move out of the way of the steamroller.

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* Deleted scenes (still present in most international cuts) in * AustinPowers have has related scenes (which were, for some reason, deleted from the American version) for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, all [[YouBastardall of which have been greviously affected by their death. The scenes were presumably removed for slowing down the pace of the movie, and for making you feel like crap for laughing at a guy who was too stupid to move out of the way of the steamroller.death]].

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* Deleted scenes in AustinPowers have related scenes for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, all of which have been greviously affected by their death. The scenes were presumably removed for slowing down the pace of the movie, and for making you feel like crap for laughing at a guy who was too stupid to move out of the way of the steamroller.
** ''Deleted'' scenes? Those scenes were certainly in the version of the movie that I saw. Perhaps they were deleted to cater to American audiences/censors, but in the original British release (or, at least, the televised version of it) they were certainly in the film.

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* Deleted scenes (still present in most international cuts) in AustinPowers have related scenes for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, all of which have been greviously affected by their death. The scenes were presumably removed for slowing down the pace of the movie, and for making you feel like crap for laughing at a guy who was too stupid to move out of the way of the steamroller.
** ''Deleted'' scenes? Those scenes were certainly in the version of the movie that I saw. Perhaps they were deleted to cater to American audiences/censors, but in the original British release (or, at least, the televised version of it) they were certainly in the film.
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* Parodied in ''[[DrStrangelove Dr. Strangelove (or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb)]]''. George Scott assures the president that "it's not like we're not going to get our hair mussed" but if they act quickly with a decisive nuclear strike then there might be "ten...twenty million casualties. Tops!!" The president responds that he doesn't want to go down in history as the greatest mass murderer since Adolf Hitler. Scott respectfully chides him for "caring more about his image in the history books than his people."
* Averted in {{Cloverfield}}--the entire film's [[YourMileageMayVary emotional effectiveness]] comes from presenting the story from the [[FirstPersonCamera point of view]] of someone experiencing the event on the ground level, thereby putting faces on the masses.
* This was a problem in ''StarTrek: Generations''. Dr. Soran's plan to get into the Nexus involved blowing up a star, which would also destroy an inhabited pre-industrial planet. We had never heard of this planet before, knew nothing of its people, and never even saw its surface, so it may as well have been an uninhabited rock for all the audience cared.

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* Parodied in ''[[DrStrangelove Dr. Strangelove (or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb)]]''. George Scott assures the president that "it's not like we're not going to get our hair mussed" but if they act quickly with a decisive nuclear strike then there might be "ten...twenty million casualties. Tops!!" The president responds that he doesn't want to go down in history as the greatest mass murderer since Adolf Hitler.AdolfHitler. Scott respectfully chides him for "caring more about his image in the history books than his people."
* Averted in {{Cloverfield}}--the ''{{Cloverfield}}''--the entire film's [[YourMileageMayVary emotional effectiveness]] comes from presenting the story from the [[FirstPersonCamera point of view]] of someone experiencing the event on the ground level, thereby putting faces on the masses.
* This was a problem in ''StarTrek: Generations''.''StarTrekGenerations''. Dr. Soran's plan to get into the Nexus involved blowing up a star, which would also destroy an inhabited pre-industrial planet. We had never heard of this planet before, knew nothing of its people, and never even saw its surface, so it may as well have been an uninhabited rock for all the audience cared.



* ''[[TwentyTwelve 2012]]'' has been criticized for this. Billions die, but who cares? It's Disaster Porn, and the only people who count are in a little plane.

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* ''[[TwentyTwelve 2012]]'' has been criticized for this. Billions die, but who cares? It's [[SceneryGorn Disaster Porn, Porn]], and the only people who count are in a little plane.
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** Assuming you don't count Bartz, the person who ALWAYS has something childish to say have a Mental Breakdown as he pilots his Ship insanely and attempting to smash into the Void in a mad fit after having his hometown erased.


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*** Because even trying to reach the Final Fayth is likely to kill the Summoner, not to mention summoning it to defeat Sin. Infact, most Summoners either eventually give up and turn back at Mount Gagazet OR die while trying to pass Mount Gagazet. If the Ronso didn't help Yuna, it would of been an even more treacherous journey, though the presence of a certain Boss makes you feel it's difficulty anyway.

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-> ''"You kill 10 people, you go to Texas, they hit you with a brick, that's what they do. 20 people, you go to a hospital, they look through a small window at you forever. And over that, we can't deal with it, you know? Someone's killed 100,000 people, we're almost going, '[[RefugeInAudacity Well]] [[SadisticChoice done]]! You killed 100,000 people!? You must get up very early in the morning!'"''
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* In JohnCWright's ''Fugitives of Chaos'', Victor weighs the death of everyone on shipboard (who had taken them up when they were lost at sea) vs. the death of everyone in the universe if they let themselves get killed. Colin just wants to help the ship. (Fortunately, Amelia TakesAThirdOption.)
** In ''Titans of Chaos'', Amelia thinks UsedToBeASweetKid of a maenad, but forces herself to remember all the babies who will die if the maenads wins, and kills her.
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*** It came up in an earlier book - one of the Thracken Sal-Solo Tries To Take Over The Galaxy ones - where he was trying to befriend an extreme pacifist who claimed to have known his mother. And by extreme, I mean ''extreme''. Along the lines of "Violence is never, ever justified, in any circumstances!" Turns out he does know exactly how many people died, and most of the galaxy doesn't condemn him for it, since they were Imperials on the ''Death Star'' right after Alderaan, and although a book of the same name shows us that a lot of them [[PunchClockVillain weren't exactly evil]], they weren't exactly innocent either - they were troops and support staff on a ''giant battle station'', after all. A lot of Imperials were uncomfortable about Alderaan - the official story started off saying that the Rebels had hijacked a mining tool, but absolutely no one believed that, so they put the blame on Grand Moff Tarkin going mad with power.

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*** It came up in an earlier book - one part of the Thracken Sal-Solo Tries To Take Over The Galaxy ones BlackFleetCrisis - where he Luke was trying to befriend an extreme pacifist who claimed to have known his mother. And by extreme, I mean ''extreme''. Along A pacifist along the lines of "Violence is never, ever justified, in any circumstances!" Turns out he does know exactly how many people died, and most of the galaxy doesn't condemn him for it, since they were Imperials on the ''Death Star'' right after Alderaan, and although [[DeathStar a book of the same name name]] shows us that a lot of them [[PunchClockVillain weren't exactly evil]], they weren't exactly innocent either - they were troops and support staff on a ''giant battle station'', station that had just destroyed a pacifistic planet'', after all. A lot of Imperials were uncomfortable about Alderaan - the official story started off saying that the Rebels had hijacked a mining tool, but absolutely no one believed that, so they put the blame on Grand Moff Tarkin going mad with power.
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** ''Deleted'' scenes? Those scenes were certainly in the version of the movie that I saw. Perhaps they were deleted to cater to American audiences/censors, but in the original British release (or, at least, the televised version of it) they were certainly in the film.
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** [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] by Pelleas in ''[[FireEmblemTellius Radiant Dawn]]'': "Individual lives taken before your eyes weigh more heavily than the many lives taken during the chaos of war. If that life is someone dear, the burden is even worse."
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-> ''Killing the orc horde by drowning them all at once is heroic. Killing them by drowning them one at a time is an alignment check.'''

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-> ''Killing ''"Killing the orc horde by drowning them all at once is heroic. Killing them by drowning them one at a time is an alignment check.'''"''
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--> --'''[[AllQuietOnTheWesternFront Erich Maria Remarque]]'''; [[BeamMeUpScotty attributed to]] JosefStalin

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--> --'''[[AllQuietOnTheWesternFront -->'''[[AllQuietOnTheWesternFront Erich Maria Remarque]]'''; [[BeamMeUpScotty attributed to]] JosefStalin
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** One of the games, ''Rome: Total War'' even invokes this trope by name, in the trait description for 'Conquerer':
--> "If you kill a man you're a murderer. Kill many of them and you're a hero!"
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*Deleted scenes in AustinPowers have related scenes for two mook deaths (Mutated Sea Bass decapitation and the steamroller). Both show that the person who just died for your laughs had a life, friends, family, all of which have been greviously affected by their death. The scenes were presumably removed for slowing down the pace of the movie, and for making you feel like crap for laughing at a guy who was too stupid to move out of the way of the steamroller.
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--> --'''JosefStalin''' [[BeamMeUpScotty (attributed)]]
--> --'''[[AllQuietOnTheWesternFront Erich Maria Remarque]]''' (in reality)

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--> --'''JosefStalin''' [[BeamMeUpScotty (attributed)]]
--> --'''[[AllQuietOnTheWesternFront Erich Maria Remarque]]''' (in reality)
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-> ''Killing the orc horde by drowning them all at once is heroic. Killing them by drowning them one at a time is an alignment check.'''
--> '''ThingsMrWelchIsNoLongerAllowedToDoInAnRPG'''

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